[00:21] <nickanon> hello. I am using ubuntu-mate 16.04 LTS. Ever thing is working fine except my brightness. I had same issue with previous versions but I solved them with little modification on system. Should I do that modification in 16.04 also?
[00:41] <nomic> yes
[00:41] <nomic> nick
[01:04] <Hetr0Erectus> nickanon, tried adjusting brightness?
[01:04] <nickanon> hello. I was using compiz window manager in ubuntu 15.04. Recently I switched to ubntu 16.04 ans when I try to click on Window Manager it says "Current Window manager unsupported". What should I do now?
[01:04] <nickanon> yeah!
[01:05] <Hetr0Erectus> didnt solve it?
[01:05] <nickanon> that previous tricked worked on 16.04 too
[01:05] <Hetr0Erectus> BTW: do you happen to have ATI card?
[01:05] <Hetr0Erectus> ATI / AMD graphics
[01:05] <nickanon> its intel I guess
[01:05] <Hetr0Erectus> oh.. thats odd
[01:05] <Hetr0Erectus> it cant be that then
[01:06] <Hetr0Erectus> often
[01:06] <Hetr0Erectus> i hear problems when you upgrade
[01:06] <Hetr0Erectus> i hear people solving it doing backup of theyre home folder and do a clean install, then copy the home folder back
[01:06] <Hetr0Erectus> cant help you ... have you googled it?
[01:07] <Hetr0Erectus> and the brightness thing was solved right?
[01:07] <nickanon> yeah it was!
[01:07] <Hetr0Erectus> good
[01:07] <nickanon> Actually I deleted all . folders before installation.
[01:09] <Hetr0Erectus> is it this bug? https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/some-observations-on-15-04-beta-1/439
[01:10] <Hetr0Erectus> Control Centre | Personal | Windows gives "The current window manager is unsupported" when Compiz is switched on; something along the lines of "Use CompizConfig Settings Manager", or even a redirection to it, would be clearer. <--- ?
[01:15] <Hetr0Erectus> lol he just left, bet that was it :P
[01:31] <nickanon> Any body knows how to enable alt+tab coverflow?
[01:32] <nomic> "coverflow"?
[01:32] <nomic> what is coverflow please
[01:32] <nomic> you can make your keys do anything in linux --- re-define keys
[01:33] <nickanon> I guess I am having problem with compiz, I am not able to switch between windows using alt+tab
[01:34] <nomic> ask here also https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[01:44] <nickanon> alt+tab is not switching windows. any idea how to fix it?
[02:06] <TheMarius> lol nick has alot of problems
[02:07] <TheMarius> silent here tonight
[02:30] <Gallomimia> nickanon there's a super+tab switcher also
[02:30] <Gallomimia> he left?
[02:54] <al5m> I've updated and rebooted Ubuntu Mate but am still not getting audio through my HDMI.  Any simple fixes I'm missing?
[03:02] <Hetr0Erectus> went trough audio output settings?
[03:03] <Hetr0Erectus> <- is on windows currently
[03:05] <al5m> Yes, I did use the audio output settings.  I found a possible solution on the rpi homepage to force audio out through HDMI.  Am going to edit through the terminal and reboot. Cheers!
[03:25] <nickanon> I am not getting 3D effect while switching windows using alt+tab. It was working well in 15.04
[03:42] <nomic> nickanon , post queries to compiz forum & also ubuntu mate forum (maybe also ubuntu form too)
[03:43] <nickanon> ok
[03:43] <nomic> because you are asking questions about a specific problem here, when it's not always that busy
[03:43] <nomic> would post to compiz , find out what is happening
[03:43] <nickanon> ok buddy
[03:43] <nomic> also ensure that your installation of mate has all the updates
[03:43] <nomic> (sudo apt-get update)
[03:43] <nomic> "upgrade"
[03:43] <nomic> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:44] <nomic> ^ ensures your mate is up to date .. there are mbs of updates in a week, @ this early stage of the LTS
[03:44] <nickanon> I updated during installation
[03:44] <nomic> I dunno what compiz gives you, apart from eye candy
[03:45] <nickanon> I dont care about rest. I just want it to look better while switching windows
[03:57] <malware> hii
[03:58] <Guest51110> hello all
[04:00] <Guest51110> hj
[08:32] <svernagovich> hey guy http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=611319
[08:47] <alkisg> Hi svernagovich, we don't speak Italian...
[08:47] <gordonjcp> svernagovich: ask your question, rather than posting a link :-)
[08:48] <svernagovich> ok... I'll try
[08:48] <svernagovich> the audio icon on systray was disapeeread
[08:50] <svernagovich> my ubuntu version is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[08:50] <alkisg> press alt+f2 to open the run dialog, and run: mate-panel --reset --replace
[08:50] <alkisg> Wait, ubuntu or ubuntu-mate?
[08:50] <svernagovich> ubuntu...
[08:50] <svernagovich> not ubuntu-mate
[08:50] <alkisg> Then why are you here?
[08:50] <alkisg> This is #ubuntu-mate
[08:50] <alkisg> Go to #ubuntu
[08:51] <svernagovich> but I use the session manager ubuntu!!!
[08:51] <alkisg> So go to the #ubuntu channel!!!
[08:51] <alkisg> Type: /join #ubuntu
[08:51] <alkisg> And ask there
[08:53] <svernagovich> ok!!!
[08:53] <svernagovich> thank alkisg
[12:30] <my_username> ss
[13:12] <BOA> I have a question about ubuntu mate 16.04 LTS.  Is there someone here who might be able to help me?
[13:14] <BOA> Anyway, I downloaded several versions from here: https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/  and I can't find the ISO file to save my life.  I've installed earlier versions of mate before and never had this problem...
[13:23] <pilne> you sure you didn't download the torrent file?
[13:24] <BOA> I downloaded several files including the torrent file.  They were all the same.
[13:25] <pilne> did you open the torrent with a torrent client?
[13:25] <BOA> I believe one of them was a direct link and yes I used utorrent.
[13:25] <pilne> and your os has them all squirreled away somewhere? what os are you using currently?
[13:26] <BOA> Windows 7. The downloads were about 1.5gb give or take.
[13:29] <BOA> I'm just wondering if anyone has a link to the ISO file so I can burn an image to install from.
[13:31] <elokmah> you can download by torrent, it will be faster
[13:32] <BOA> I already did that but there is still no ISO file.
[13:33] <gordonjcp> well, where does your torrent client download to?
[13:33] <BOA> It was in my downloads.
[13:35] <elokmah> it is weird, I have just tried and its the iso image
[13:35] <BOA> i have no problem finding the folder.  where is the image?
[13:35] <elokmah> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[13:36] <BOA> is that just regular ubuntu and not mate?
[13:38] <elokmah> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[13:38] <elokmah> the name would be ubuntu-mate-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:39] <BOA> i downloaded the 32 bit version
[13:40] <elokmah> di you tried to find by *.iso
[13:40] <elokmah> it should be there
[13:40] <elokmah> or maybe you the file with a iso manager
[13:40] <BOA> when i download from the last link you sent me there is no ISO file espite what the downloadd says. and yes i tried that.
[13:40] <elokmah> you opened*
[13:42] <elokmah> did you tried Via torrent option?? that works for me
[13:42] <elokmah> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/15.10/release/ubuntu-mate-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[13:42] <elokmah> this is the link for 64 bits
[13:42] <pilne> so when you go to the "downloads" part of your browser, and choose to "open file or "open file location" the file is not able to be located?
[13:44] <elokmah> mmmm it sounds like a filtered proxy
[13:44] <BOA> i think you asked me that alreaddy and yes.  i've downloaded from multiplelocations and i'm telling you the iso file is not in the mate package.
[13:46] <BOA> i can find the downloadedd files just fine there is just no iso file.
[13:46] <pilne> what files are downloaded?
[13:46] <BOA> you want me to name every file?
[13:46] <pilne> maybe put them in a pastebin?
[13:46] <SuperEngineer> ooo yes please :-)
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> BOA: [name every file that is]
[13:47] <BOA> ?
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> Fred, Georgette, Julia, Noel, Brian....
[13:48] <SuperEngineer> [just kiddin]
[13:48] <elokmah> BOA the link i share is to download TORRENT file in order to DOWNLOAD the ISO file, that is the only way I know
[13:49] <elokmah> Bob, Oscar, Alice
[13:49] <SuperEngineer> Bob & Ted & Carol & Alice?
[13:50] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[13:50] <elokmah> BOA, make sense?
[13:50] <elokmah> ><
[13:53] <elokmah> my turn, someone else know how to enabled fingerprint on Lenovo??
[13:53] <BOA> nope. i'm downloading another version to prove to myself that i can find the iso file.
[13:53] <BOA> if i don't respond right away it's because this os is capping the bed which is why i needd to rrreplace it.
[13:53] <elokmah> which link did you use?
[13:54] <BOA> any typos are a ddirect result of me not being able to see what i'm tyuping.
[14:18] <mate|94836> good morning
[14:19] <mate|94836> anyone here
[14:19] <mate|94836> I hope you can help me
[14:19] <mate|94836> .......!
[15:28] <Guest5491> hi I have installed code::blocks and created a new FLTK project, but the build errors as if FLTK is not installed. I'm an experienced programmer, but a ubuntu noob, so any help with this would be apprecialed. (The fltk folder is in /isr/lib)
[15:48] <Guest5491> quit
[15:49] <Guest5491> exit
[16:33] <danang_> first time i use ubuntu-mate, good work, i miss gnome 2 in ubuntu 10.04
[17:53] <Humorousone> Hello
[17:53] <Humorousone> I took the leap
[17:53] <Humorousone> Windows -> linux
[17:54] <Humorousone> I tried ubuntu.. and didn't have such a fun time
[17:54] <Humorousone> Is there anything I should know about Ubuntu mate?
[17:54] <Humorousone> (after coming from vanilla)
[17:56] <Humorousone> also will simply copying the ucode files install the firmware needed for my wireless chip?
[17:56] <Humorousone> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000005511.html
[17:56] <nomic> what laptop do you have
[17:57] <nomic> does it not recognise your internal wireless
[17:59] <Humorousone> My laptop has the 2nd wireless chip on the list I linked
[17:59] <Humorousone> I can connect to wireless
[18:00] <Humorousone> but there's sometimes some weirdness with the network manager
[18:00] <Humorousone> also I'm getting PCIE errors every now and then, I'd like to really isolate the problem
[18:06] <nomic> specific hardware issues - you had better post a message on https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[18:18] <Humorousone> hmm
[18:18] <Humorousone> how do I change the window snapping settings?
[19:07] <intok> Just did the upgrade to 16.04, still seeing the 15.10 sources in the list and getting an error trying to update, here's both http://pastebin.com/ECBJdQTu
[19:11] <alkisg> intok: grep -r wily /etc/apt/sources.list*
[19:11] <alkisg> This will tell you in which files wily appears
[19:15] <SuperEngineer> [glad I read your last line twice alkisg ;-)  ]
[19:15] <intok> http://pastebin.com/H2Eq4SRJ
[19:17] <alkisg> Yup it's wrong, are you sure the update completed successfully?
[19:17] <alkisg> I'd give you my own sources.list, but I'm using a greek mirror...
[19:18] <nedstark> you can generate your own here https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[19:24] <Guest71069> 71069
[19:25] <alkisg> 41564
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> 9
[19:37] <intok> alkisg so how do I fix it?
[19:37] <alkisg> intok: when you upgraded, did you see a failure message?
[19:38] <intok> No
[19:40] <alkisg> Use the website that nedstark proposed, to generate a new sources.list for xenial, and overwrite your current one at /etc/apt/sources.list, which is wrong because it mentions wily
[20:16] <mate|53581> wheres is the ubuntu mate iso file?
[20:19] <teward> does https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/ not list it?
[20:19] <mate|53581> more specifically, when i download the 32bit version of ubuntu mate from https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/ there is no iso file.
[20:19] <mate|53581> it does list it but when i download it i get something else. it is not the iso. i have tried multiple downloads from multiple locations and they are all the same.
[20:21] <teward> mate|53581: under "direct download" there is
[20:21] <mate|53581> what it says and what it is are two completely different things.
[20:21] <RenoH> mate|53581: firefox, chrome? using a download manager?
[20:22] <mate|53581> i have downloaded it via direct download and torrents and everything in between. i swear to god that image does not exist
[20:22] <teward> mate|53581: well, it does, i'm downloading now to test it, but i'm about 100% certain it does exist as an ISO
[20:23] <teward> you haven't shown proof that it isn't either :P
[20:23] <mate|53581> i have used chrome, utorrent. you name it.
[20:23] <mate|53581> prove a negative. cute.
[20:23] <RenoH> mate|53581: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/release/ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-i386.iso
[20:24] <mate|53581> i guess i just came on here to f* with people /sarcasm
[20:25] <flexiondotorg> The iso's download from ubuntu-mate.org are actually taken directly from ubuntu.com.
[20:26] <flexiondotorg> Right now, I'm working on the ubuntu-mate.* server configurtion. One server is down, which might result in some pages not loading.
[20:26] <mate|53581> i'll have to wait for the download to complete to see if it's what i'm looking for. i have never had so much trouble trying to locate the image file.
[20:27] <craptalk> i just installed ubuntu mate, and my screen is having flickering effect, how to solve this issue
[20:27] <craptalk> ?
[20:48] <mate|81155> where is the iso image in that link you sent me? i downloaded the file but all i got were folders and files but no iso.
[20:49] <flexiondotorg> craptalk, You have Intel IGP right?
[20:49] <RenoH> mate|81155: that was the iso.. look at the link. ".iso".. looks like your opening the iso after it's downloaded
[20:50] <mate|81155> but the iso should be a single file.
[20:50] <flexiondotorg> craptalk, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1554613
[20:50] <mate|81155> am i supposed to make the image myself and if so how?
[20:50] <RenoH> mate|81155: ya, it should be. But you're opening it somehow
[20:51] <RenoH> mate|81155: when you download it, make sure you're not opening it. You want to save it
[20:51] <mate|81155> i wasn't given the option to save it
[20:52] <RenoH> what are you using to download it?
[20:52] <mate|81155> i just used the link you sent me
[20:52] <RenoH> firefox? chrome?
[20:53] <mate|81155> chrome
[20:54] <RenoH> make sure that "ask where to save each file before downloading" is checked under advanced settings
[20:55] <RenoH> and the download location is where the .iso file should be
[20:55] <RenoH> you will need an application to burn the iso to dvd or usb stick
[20:55] <mate|81155> it's in my downloads
[20:55] <RenoH> using windows?
[20:56] <mate|81155> that much i know. i've burned isos before in previous versions. i've never had this problem before.
[20:56] <mate|81155> windows 7
[20:57] <RenoH> follow this: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[20:58] <mate|81155> i know how to do that i just can't find the iso image. are you telling me instructing chrome where to save the file will convert it to an image?
[20:59] <RenoH> no, there's no converting. the iso should be in your my downloads
[20:59] <mate|81155> but it's not. just a bunch of files that should be on the image
[21:00] <RenoH> I'm not sure why it's doing that.. do you have an iso mounter program installed?
[21:02] <mate|81155> i have rufus but it doesn't detect the iso
[21:03] <mate|81155> in the past when i've downloaded mate i never had this problem. i don't know if i missed an announcement...
[21:03] <RenoH> no, nothing has changed
[21:04] <RenoH> going to give it a try myself.. brb
[21:07] <mate|81155> i have to go afk for a bit
[21:08] <RenoH> ok
[21:12] <RenoH> mate|81155: I'm not sure.. worked for me. I'm not sure what else it could be
[21:16] <Guest37222> hi, can anybody speak spanish?
[21:19] <Guest37222> I have a problem... I installed ubuntu mate 16.4 in a partition. in otrer partition I have windows 10. now... windows no start in grub
[21:50] <mate|5651> whenever i download the iso folder for ubuntu mate i get a bunch of folders and files but no iso. the file i downloaded was labelled as an iso file but isn't.
[21:53] <mate|5651> in other words, i can't find the image to create a boot disk
[21:53] <HalinReno77> mate|5651: so using IE didn't help?
[21:55] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Are you downloading from the official page/place/time/space/reality?
[21:57] <mate|5651> yes. and no ie didn''t work. i thought it did because the file name had .iso but i got the same folders as before
[21:58] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Therefore something is wrong...either the browser is wrong, the information you're providing the browser is wrong...yadda yadda yadda...hmm...do you not have a different browser other the Internet Exploder to use?
[21:59] <mate|5651> i was using chrome but i got the same result
[21:59] <HalinReno> mate|5651: I still think there's a program installed that's messing with your iso's after they're downloaded. Like a auto iso mounting program or something
[22:00] <YankDownUnder> It would appear as though downloads are set to "run" or "be extracted" once completed...IF it's the case where "folders are there, but no ISO" - hmm...
[22:01] <HalinReno> YankDownUnder: ya, he's using windows 7.. I can't think of anything else
[22:03] <YankDownUnder> The first step would be to explore what the download options are - and reset them to the defaults - else, grab the ISO via torrent - which would save heaps of headache overall...and ensure a solid ISO image...hmm...IMHO, mind you...
[22:05] <mate|5651> sorrrry but my pc keeps locking up. bearr with the typos i can't see what i'd typing. the files are compessed. i downloaded a torrrent too and got the same.
[22:05] <mate|5651> also my ''r'' key is messed up in case you hadn't noticed
[22:06] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, If we stop, and completely back up and look at the situation - look at it objectively, the answer might become apparent...does that make sense?
[22:07] <mate|5651> it doesn't not make sense if that makes any sense : O
[22:08] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, When you "download" - are you doing a "right click" and a "Save As..." - or are you merely clicking on the link and letting it do what it does...hmm?
[22:08] <mate|5651> i did a save. should i be saving as and changing the file name?
[22:09] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, I would attempt to do a "Save As..." with the right-click...THAT being established, what happens with the downloaded file NEXT would determine basically what the issue is...hmm?
[22:10] <mate|5651> one moment...
[22:10] <mate|5651> this os is in estonian so i'm in need of google translate
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Estonian...fair enough...I've forgotten all the Estonian I've learned, so I cannot help much...oh wait, I never KNEW any Estonion in the first place...right...never mind. :)
[22:12] <mate|5651> ok... when i right click and press save as i get: ubuntu-mate-16.04-desktop-i386
[22:12] <mate|5651> that is the default file name
[22:13] <mate|5651> can i attach an .iso after?
[22:13] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Don't attach ANYTHING to it...just "Save As..." and click OK...end of story, easy as.
[22:14] <mate|5651> we'll see what happens...
[22:14] <HalinReno> mate|5651: that is the iso.. windows 7 hides the extention ".iso" by default
[22:14] <mate|5651> it's hiding the entire iso file too it seems : /
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Just relax...have a coffee...chill out until it's done, bro.
[22:15] <mate|5651> i'm relaxed. it's my os that's flipping out
[22:16] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, I shan't be surprised...hmm...
[22:29] <mate|5651> the file finished downloading and it looks the same as all the others
[22:31] <mate|5651> it's a compressed folder
[22:32] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, "Looks the same as all the others" is not really very descriptive...and Yes...any "archive" is a "compressed folder"...SO...if you're looking at the "explorer window" at the base directory, you're looking at the ISO...or am I missing something?
[22:33] <mate|5651> you're missing something
[22:33] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, As well...something that I would suggest is going into the "file explorer" settings and making sure you are not setup to "view archives as compressed folders" and also to make sure you turn on the option to SEE all file extensions...this might be the "fault" of the current confusion...does that make sense?
[22:33] <mate|5651> there is no iso image. just folders and files. no iso. i'm guessing these are the files the image should contain.
[22:34] <mate|5651> that and the fact that this os is in estonian and i'm not estonian
[22:35] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, I can tell you this - from an objective standpoint - you DID download an ISO image. Windows is misconfigured. Look at the entire situation from a logical perspective.
[22:35] <mate|5651> however, if i attempt to perform a virus scan it shows the .iso extension
[22:36] <mate|5651> was i being illogical?
[22:36] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Change the settings for Explorer, and you'll find that you're seeing several ISO images for the same thing...presuming that the data you've described is accurate...hmm?
[22:37] <mate|5651> i'm looking at this from a confused perspective. i've never had this problem before. my estonian is also not very good : (
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, You're not being illogical, you thing in very accurate "steps" and you'll understand what I'm trying to drive home to ya, bro...easy done! All good!
[22:38] <mate|5651> i smell what you're steppin' in brah!  ^.^
[22:38] <mate|5651> anyway... the extension says iso but all i get are files and folders. i want a single image to make a boot disk
[22:43] <mate|5651> now what? : O
[22:43] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Have you tried just opening up whatever software you're using for burning CD/DVD's, pointing it to the directly where the images are supposed to be and letting that be the deciding factor...?
[22:44] <mate|5651> yup
[22:44] <mate|5651> i just translated somethign into estonian. i can try to go into folder settings and see if i can find it
[22:47] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Because, from a logical standpoint, IF you're following exact instructions and still not "seeing" what is intended, either "Explorer" is misconfigured (did you reset the configuration and make sure to NOT view compressed files as folders and make sure to VIEW ALL EXTENSIONS?), or there is a "download manager" installed on this system, or you're not perceiving the instructions correctly and making assumptions and
[22:47] <YankDownUnder> moves without properly communicating them back to those trying to help...EITHER WHICH, when all else fails, there is FTP.
[22:47] <mate|5651> that's what i'm trying to do but i don't see anything that translates
[22:48] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Did you reconfigure "Explorer"?
[22:48] <mate|5651> i haven't touched it
[22:49] <mate|5651> it's not in english and i can't find anything remotely similiar to the translation in folder settings
[22:50] <YankDownUnder> And there isn't a "Language Bar" icon in the system tray in the lower right hand side of the taskbar of this Windows 7 desktop...?
[22:51] <mate|5651> this was installed in only one language as far as i know
[22:51] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-change-keyboard-input-language
[22:51] <mate|5651> if there was one i couldn't read it
[22:51] <mate|5651> now you tell me : /
[22:52] <mate|5651> oh great... the tutorial system is in english : /
[22:54] <mate|5651> and this pc does not look like this. it's windows 7 but the view is entirely different
[22:56] <mate|5651> ok nvm.. i simplified the view to look something like that... bear with me...
[22:56] <baller> hello
[23:01] <mate|5651> this isn't going to be over any time soon
[23:05] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, I'm 53...I do not think I'm going to die in the next few hours.
[23:05] <mate|5651> i think all that did was change the keyboard input language. everything is still in estonian for now
[23:06] <mate|5651> you never know : O
[23:06] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-vista/change-the-display-language
[23:07] <mate|5651> i managed to switch the keyboard languages but that's it.
[23:07] <mate|5651> now you tell me : /
[23:08] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-vista/change-the-display-language
[23:09] <mate|5651> it's much easier to do if it's already in your native language : O
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> This I fully understand. However, that being said, I have dealt with "Windows" systems in a vast amount of languages - especially in Chinese/Japanese/Korean - and I've been able to get things done - enough so that the end-user was fixed and the machine was happy...just a matter of familiarisation with the system, the GUI, the controls, etc etc etc...but also, that being said, I prefer to do things from the command
[23:12] <YankDownUnder> line...without the confusion of the GUI in my face...
[23:21] <mate|5651> spoken like a true linux user. well it's no use. i'm close but my resolve is fading. it's late and i'm further from figuring this out than before i started. i've never had a problem downloading an image file before. i seriously doubt the owner of this pc possessed the knowledge to mess up explorer in the way you suggest but i suppose it's possible.
[23:26] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Anything is possible. If you stick a stupid person in front of any Microsoft OS, well, things happen. Kinda been there done that...either which, if all else fails...there is the command prompt...
[23:27] <mate|5651> i'm not sure if that's supposed to be subversive or...
[23:29] <mate|5651> i'm at the keyboard and language tab. i know that much... if i have to install a language pack i think i'll wait for a native speaker to deal with this.
[23:31] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XKUBf_lBqM
[23:32] <mate|5651> i can't even be sure this version supports language packs because these instructions are for specific vista versions. i can't open that link or i'll crash. why do you think i want to uninstall this pos os?
[23:33] <mate|5651> this is windows 7 home premium. someone put a 64 bit cpu and 2 gigs of ram. makes sense
[23:34] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, If all else fails - command prompt.
[23:34] <mate|5651> i'm lucky if i can have two tabs open or this pc crashes
[23:34] <mate|5651> ok
[23:35] <mate|5651> give me your worst
[23:38] <mate|5651> um... this command prompt appears to be estonian as well. i hope it accepts english commands.
[23:38] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, The idea would be, firstly, that you open a command prompt, and cd into the "downloads" directory - where you've already downloaded stuff...you'll be able to see a REAL view of things with "dir /p" => the extensions, etc etc etc...
[23:38] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, It should.
[23:38] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, So you'd "cd \users\USERNAMEHERE\downloads"
[23:40] <mate|5651> ok
[23:40] <mate|5651> i'm there
[23:42] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, So you're seeing the stuff you've downloaded, hmm...
[23:42] <mate|5651> well i'm in the downloads folder
[23:43] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Do "dir /p"
[23:44] <mate|5651> i did. there's a lot of stuff here. they never cleaned out their downloads in 5 years : /
[23:44] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, So you can see the ubuntu-mate ISO, right?
[23:45] <mate|5651> that's what i'm looking for
[23:45] <mate|5651> ok yes
[23:45] <mate|5651> found it
[23:45] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, If you want to clear shit out, just do "del *.zip" - then "dir /p" again...see if that clears shit up...
[23:45] <mate|5651> it's ok i found it.
[23:46] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Right...so you found it...so now you have absolute proof you've downloaded the ISO image...NOW, the issue is BURNING that image to CD/DVD...hmm...
[23:46] <mate|5651> well flash drive technically...
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Do you have unetbootin installed - or similar?
[23:47] <mate|5651> rufus
[23:47] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, Right...well...then you're halfway there, ain't ya? All good, bro...so, since you know it's there, fire up Rufus and do your dirty work, mate...easy done, hmm?
[23:49] <mate|5651> i think so. hang on. i think it found the iso
[23:49] <mate|5651> i'm getting a weirdd message but i think it's normal
[23:51] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, If "Rufus" is getting freaky, here is: https://unetbootin.github.io/
[23:51] <mate|5651> i've used unet bootin before but i think it's just saying i need to dl some files
[23:53] <mate|5651> seems to be working. we'll see if we get any error messages
[23:53] <mate|5651> says it's copying iso files
[23:58] <YankDownUnder> mate|5651, There ya go...appears as though all is good...and soon, you should be "Away from Windows!" forever, bro...easy done.