[06:10] Maaz: tell Kilos good morning sleepy head [06:10] superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [06:46] morning superfly and everyone else [06:49] Morning all , Môre oom Kilos [06:49] hi mazal [06:49] Would installing this http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=950 makes things even worse seeing as 5.5 is not even stable yet ? [06:50] wait for superfly to check [06:50] or inetpro [06:50] hi goosie [06:51] Gaanit vanmôre oom ? [06:51] goed dankie seun en jy [06:51] net my voet seer [06:52] Okerig , het groot werk wat ek nie lus het voor nie :P [06:52] oh draad ingesteek paar dae terug en dit kwaai seer nou , sit met voet in warm see water met engelse sout by [06:53] watse werk [06:53] Ai nee eina. Ek moet my backup drive argiveer [06:53] na waar [06:54] Doen hom so eenkeer 'n maand. Dis maar net 'n backup van die backup [06:54] ok [06:54] rsync? [06:54] Maar voel baoe lui vanmôre lol [06:54] yep grsync [06:55] ek ken nie grsync nie [06:55] selle ding met gui [06:55] ok [06:55] En jy kan jobs opstel [06:55] Dan select jy net die job elke keer en run [06:56] ok [06:56] ek het altyd net /home ge rsync [06:56] groot pyn op die lappie wat nie extra skyf vat nie [06:57] moet seker een dag n external kry weer [06:57] Ek gebruik hom al jare vir my home en data backups [06:58] maar home het mos als in [07:00] powwer gone [07:01] wbb [08:39] Kilos: ek het gister gestudeer en nou werk ek. Ek sal later hier wees, moenie worry nie [08:46] geen probleem paddatrapper pas jou op [09:06] *sigh* anothger weekend without internet. irc is literally the only thing working [09:08] * pavlushka- same here [09:11] Telscum's usual non-service delivery [09:11] Signal is so bad I can't even open email [09:18] mazal: can you reach local sites? [09:18] Try mtr home.theblazehen.com [09:19] Or just plain ping [09:20] Otherwise see if it responds to ssh [09:39] sigh first power cut then connection issues [10:01] Those two are usually connected. With the power cut throwing the Internet out [10:03] theblazehen, nope , can't even ping it [10:13] mazal: Might be blocking pings. No ssh then? [10:27] superfly: you around? [10:29] theblazehen, first it said can't establish and then I could connect (ssh). It's my connections here that's the problem. Signal is all over the place [11:23] england keeping SA in the hunt for the sevens crown... [12:20] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343153906 [12:20] something happened [12:23] mazal kyk [12:23] ai! [12:26] Eish. Should never upgrade kernel if I'm not planning on rebooting [12:27] sjoe another 100m upgrade [12:27] Won't detect usb flash disk now, but don't wanna reboot [12:27] eish [12:27] > 14:27:11 up 7 days, 18:45, 2 users, load average: 7.55, 7.18, 6.80 [12:27] Not much, but I don't like rebooting [12:27] https://gist.github.com/27f7be0d0785814246110f39396384a0 uptime stats [12:28] Lots of reboots from when this used to be a vm [12:32] hey mazal [12:37] DC's all over today [12:37] See oom Kilos is also struggling [12:38] mazal: You on 3g right? [12:38] Telkom mobile yes [12:38] Best here is 3g , don't have a LTE tower [12:42] I'm seeing something really weird here [12:43] what [12:43] The whole day so far , router connects to 3g for about 2 minutes , then goes down to unusable 2g for about 30 minutes , then disconnect completely with no signal [12:43] Interesting [12:44] Then it connects 3g again for about 2 minutes and repeats the cycle [12:44] * theblazehen hasn't googled as much as I thought this week. Only 366 google searches this week [12:44] hmm [12:44] Now here come the strange part. [12:44] seems here they are working on telkom mobile [12:44] mazal: What if you force it down to 2g, see if it gets stable? [12:44] shoes connected but irc dies [12:44] shows [12:44] Twice now , when it connects to that 3g I quickly go into something that's speed heavy , online mincraft in this case. Then it stays on 3g [12:45] So it almost looks like it connects , checks of there is use , if not disconnects to 2g , after while disconnect completely and repeat the cycle [12:45] Once there is heavy use it stays on 3g [12:45] lol [12:45] Now how weird is that ! [12:46] What you wonna bet if I go out of the onine session in MC now it will disconnect back to 2g within 2 minutes [12:46] what isp? [12:47] It's almost as if there is some auto-check now on our signal here with " if not in use disconnect " or something [12:47] Kilos, Telscum [12:47] i think they are working on it mazal [12:48] The only thing they can work on is peoples nerves [12:48] mazal: What if you have a constant ping running? Low data usage, but constant [12:48] ive disconnected 4 or 5 times already [12:48] and got a wonderful speedtest just now [12:48] did you go see the link [12:48] They might downgrade "inactive" sessions [12:49] This never happened before , and should not happen. If this is how it is though I will keep the bloody mc logged in all day [12:49] mazal: ping would be less data though [12:49] ping -i 5 8.8.8.8 [12:49] I think [12:49] mazal go to http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343153906 [12:50] check mine then test yours [12:50] You know there is a new speed test out? http://fast.com [12:50] And this makes the connection unusable , it's only works when there is HEAVY traffic. Browsing and email doesn't work and doesn't "activate" it then even [12:50] i go see [12:51] And permanent irc is connected and that doesn't help either [12:52] The only thing keeping it up now is online gaming :( [12:57] Ok let's test the theory , been stable on 3g for 30 minutes while in MC online , lets close MC and leave just irc open and see what happens [13:05] And now it doesn't seem to dc again.....wts is going on [13:09] Kilos, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343244873 , that's the speed I always get when connected to 3g and is the best it ever gets [13:10] well lets hope they are working on it [13:10] Something is very wrong the last 3 days [13:11] This 40 minutes is the longest now that it actually worked since Thursday [13:11] sjoe [13:12] mazal: Cell C is running a promotion, 100 mb data per month for 6 months free. Maybe try get one of those? [13:12] Not much, but better than nothing [13:16] theblazehen, I have an afrihost little backup account , but for some reason this 16.04 thing didn't even want to detect my dongle today when I tried. And it worked fine before :( [13:16] mazal: Using a different dongle now? [13:16] The issues on this release just doesn't end [13:16] Have you tried using wvdial? [13:17] Honsetly, *buntu gives me so many issues.. I even prefer fedora [13:17] theblazehen, no I am back on my main lan now that has the router [13:18] ah okay [13:18] Can't use the afrihost with it? [13:18] If it comes to that I will yes [13:18] Just so gatvol of struggling that I just left it [13:19] ya [13:20] Don't really want to struggle on a Saturday after a whole week of struggling with pc's at work [13:27] Hi Cryterion [13:27] heya [13:27] How goes === qwebirc95693 is now known as hoho === hoho is now known as hound-wp [14:52] hi gremble [14:52] you ok? [14:53] im having connection issues so not seeing when peeps join [14:53] im fine ty how are you? [14:53] I am alright thanks. Feeling better. Although I am developing quite a painful sinus headache [14:53] :/ [14:53] ouch [14:54] It is pressing into my right eye hard enough to make it tear up haha [14:55] listen [14:55] im looking for the name of the stuff [14:56] Bactroban ointment [14:56] its for sinus but weirdly you rub some on your upper eyelids [14:56] best thing for sinus probs [14:56] Yes, that is an antibiotic ointment. I think we have the generic version of it in the house somewhere. [14:56] I am going to do that right now [14:57] get from chemist without script [14:59] only by rubbing on eyelids can you clear sinusses, sinusprays and things dont work [15:00] should take 30 mins to an hour then youll start blowing nos lots and it will clear then and headache should go as well [15:01] nasal sprays clear only the nose area not into the sinus [15:17] another thing you can do is find an empty nasal spray bottle and put sea water in it and sniff that [15:19] when ever friends go to the coast for holidays we get them to bring back a large container with sea water and some sea sand in [15:19] seasand keeps the water fresh [16:09] time to complain to telkom again [16:09] just lose connection even though nm shows connected [16:55] ai! [17:12] hi Cryterion [17:46] goeie mirrag [17:47] theblazehen: please explain how you get startups with no shutdowns [17:47] hi inetpro [17:47] ohi Kilos as well [17:48] inetpro: Notice the "bad" shutdowns. It would always freeze right before shutting down, needed a hard reset [17:48] ahh... that explains it [17:49] Yeah. I should maybe find out why [17:49] that's horrible [17:49] check the logs [17:49] indeed. Especially because I can't reboot over ssh [17:49] or check the console as it shuts down [17:50] gremble: I've got the same headache. Started today. Change of season here we come [17:50] I think I have systemd only logging to ram [17:50] eish paddatrapper [17:50] Everything seems normal, then display goes blank, not sure, but it might have that blank cursor around the size you'd expect with a 80x25 display [17:50] you also suffer from sinus [17:50] And I'm supposed to go diving on Tuesday! Doesn't look like that is going to happen [17:51] paddatrapper: That sucks [17:51] theblazehen: your desktop? [17:51] inetpro: Yeah [17:51] Kilos: Yeah. Inherited it from my father [17:51] Reminds me, need to rebuild vm host [17:51] get bactronban and sea water [17:51] press Esc during shutdown [17:51] Let me charge laptops, then get started on that.. [17:52] Kilos: I will. Plenty of both around here! [17:52] inetpro: Not sure if that would help. Happens after keyboard powers down (usb), think I should try ps2? It happens after disks get synced etc though [17:52] sniffing sea water gets minerals to the sinusses that heal them [17:53] and bactroban on upper eye lids [17:53] not up your nose [17:54] theblazehen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown [17:54] am not sure whether that is still valid [17:54] things change way too often these days [17:54] and way too fast [17:54] inetpro: I'm on arch. Don't have quiet set, and no splash screen either [17:54] I see normal shutdown messages, all seems good, then blank screen [17:55] good, I always try to disable splash as well [17:55] * inetpro prefers to see startup and shutdown processes [17:55] inetpro: You run ubuntu? [17:55] which reminds me, I haven't changed it here yet since installing 16.04 [17:56] he runs kubuntu [17:56] am on kubuntu 16.04 [17:56] sjoe you forgot that [17:56] but I don't have a multi-screen environment [17:57] think that is still the buggiest part of it if I read complains online [17:57] Ah, yes [17:57] complaints* [18:01] Kilos: what happens if you add salt to a cup full of ice? [18:02] dunno [18:02] what happens inetpro [18:02] have you ever seen how they put salt to let snow melt away? [18:02] nope [18:02] inetpro: Not a good idea.. [18:03] it's actually fascinating [18:03] Well, dunno about in a cup [18:03] i dont know why anyone would add salt to ice [18:03] salt lowers the freezing point of water [18:03] so it starts melting [18:03] ok [18:03] Kilos: salt and ice challenge is a thing.. :/ [18:03] but even more fascinating is what actually happens to the temperature of the water [18:04] tell [18:04] dont procrastinate [18:04] my son has meassured it going down till -11.6 [18:04] wow [18:05] the more salty it becomes the lower the freezing point [18:07] "a mixture of rock salt, ice, and water packed in the bucket around the ice cream mix can bring the temperature down as low as -21°C" [18:07] sjoe [18:07] like making your own freezer [18:08] unfortunately it doesn't last for a very long time [18:09] when all the ice has melted it will warm up again [18:09] Eish [18:10] I guess if you keep adding ice and salt you could keep it cold for quite some time [18:12] At some point you may as well use a fridge [18:12] and the opposite question to the schoolproject is, how do you use chemicals for heating up food safely [18:13] reminded me of the days in the army [18:14] interesting science in real life with the heat packs that we got in those days [18:14] Got to be chemicals that leave no poisonous residue when they react I guess [18:15] Or fine a way to contain them [18:15] the answer to that lies in Aluminium and Calcium Carbonate [18:16] uh oh! [18:17] Power cut perhaps? [18:17] shame [18:18] wb Kilos [18:18] ty inetpro so many disconnections today [18:20] i dont know if the prob is here or if its telkoms data connection falling away [18:20] nm shows still connected but everything loses online connection [18:20] inetpro fix it [18:20] must i rev telkom? [18:24] ai! [18:25] Maaz hi [18:25] * Maaz waves to Kilos [18:30] good evening [18:30] hi magespawn [18:34] hi Kilos, how's it going? [18:35] ok ty magespawn and you [18:35] hi magespawn [18:35] yup all good [18:35] hey mazal [18:36] Hey magespawn [18:36] . [18:36] ohi superfly [18:37] And finally the archiving is finished [18:37] yay [18:37] That took a while :P [18:38] lol [18:38] 1.7tb usb to usb [18:38] mazal: the Kubuntu backports is the worst thing ever [18:38] mazal: do not install. I repeat, do not install. [18:39] superfly, copy that [18:39] * mazal bekyk die dak [18:39] lol [18:40] wat is fount met die dak? [18:40] fout* [18:40] Well if I can drill a hole through the ceiling , get cable through there , move 2 consoles to the upstairs , then I can add my little server downstairs [18:40] mazal: when my new hard drive for my netbook arrives, I'm getting rid of Kubuntu and installing Debian unstable with KDE [18:41] Debian unstable is more stable than Kubuntu [18:41] I dunno Debian , but have to agree on Kubuntu. [18:41] * mazal scared of Debian [18:41] mazal: Debian is what Ubuntu *should* be [18:41] there's nothing to be scared of [18:42] Isn't it very difficult ? [18:42] difficult se voet [18:42] superfly: what is your initial installation procedure, you download the dvd to start with? [18:43] I wanted to try it few times , but some online comments suggested it is a difficult OS. [18:43] or you start with debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso ? [18:46] I started with the netinst ISO I think. I have uncapped, so bandwidth is not an issue for me [18:48] I guess if Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable it will always be a bit behind Debian [18:48] https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#task [18:48] the terms stable and unstable are very relative [18:49] inetpro: Kubuntu is a little ahead of Debian for the first few months, because they pull the latest from KDE (bugs and all) [18:49] ah [18:49] and then it lags behind when unstable gets the latest KDE (minus afforementioned bugs) [18:49] unstable is a rolling distro, there are no releases like Kubuntu or Ubuntu [18:50] small, incremental upgrades = less things to go wrong [18:51] but unstable is not Jessie, or is it? [18:52] * inetpro answering his self [18:52] "Debian Unstable (also known by its codename "Sid") is not strictly a release,..." https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable [18:56] So if I read that right , unstable is always the latest [18:57] ill stay on 14.04 till 16.04 is stable [18:58] * mazal beplan verder [18:59] mazal i have debian jessie on an old laptop, no problems so far [19:00] Think I must try it one day [19:00] also have kali linux on two machines, which now skips ubuntu and goes striaght to debian [19:00] straight [19:00] id feel guilty going to ubuntu meetings from debian [19:01] Kilos hehehehe , not as dirty as I felt being here while I was still on Win lol [19:01] That just felt wrooooooong [19:01] lol [19:01] Thankfully pc gaming days are behind now [19:02] thats good, shows you have a conscience [19:02] good lad [19:02] lol [19:03] I wonder how good this B315 wi-fi is.... [19:03] Maybe I don't need to drill a hole [19:03] test it and stop wondering [19:03] * mazal bekyk big blue en haar tjommie [19:04] wifi battles through concrete [19:04] mazal maybe ethernet over power is and idea [19:04] This is a really thick concrete ceiling/floor [19:04] s/and/an [19:04] eth [19:06] Kilos, why didn't you stop me from buying so much stuff man [19:06] hahaha [19:06] whew [19:06] magespawn, that is indeed [19:06] sorry man [19:06] eth over power is dicey imo [19:07] surges can cook you pc [19:07] I have only heard of it , don't know it at all [19:08] Kilos: How do you think I feel, helping organise a Debian conference, while only having run Ubuntu for about 2/3 weeks... [19:08] surge arrest the power on both ends and the lan, and you be fairly safe [19:09] I've had surges blow so many different things - from power supplies to on-board audio cards [19:09] hahahaha @ paddatrapper [19:10] just buy a proper eth cable the right length mazal [19:10] The closest I've come to debian is running something loosely based on it as an app on my tablet so that I can ssh into an Arch box [19:11] they not expensive and now you so rich with all the savings you wont feel it [19:11] mazal: Where are you based again? I've got some excess CAT5 you can have [19:12] he is here paddatrapper [19:13] where is here Kilos? I'm assuming Gauteng [19:13] mazal ask langjan he supplies eth to the lady over the road from him [19:13] pretoria [19:14] Ah, yeah sorry a little far then [19:14] Cullinan aka gat-gat [19:15] Kilos, cable is not a problem , it's getting it there. This place was built to last [19:15] i think langjan paid 150 for 50 meters [19:15] drill a hole man [19:16] or run out a window and up the wall [19:16] Gonna test these girls's wi-fi with the B315 first and see [19:16] dont find problems, find solutions [19:16] lol [19:17] ai! [19:17] Wat nou ai ? [19:17] fly should be skaam [19:18] mazal: If it is through a slab, then going out and around is probably easier. Just cut a grove into the outside and re-plaster when you're done (probably encase it in a PVC pipe so you can run more/remove it later) [19:19] @ubuntu/member on debian [19:19] sjoe [19:20] lol [19:21] Making me lus to try stuff [19:21] i wouldnt be able to look anyone in the eyes [19:21] And that's usually when I break stuff [19:21] make your plans mazal then ask first before you go ahead [19:22] I need to do the same thing eventually to run a connection or two downstairs. Just need to get round to doing it [19:22] I should have done it when we installed my cable for the downstairs lan , but didn't think I would need it one day [19:24] All Kilos's fault [19:24] He knows I must be supervised [19:25] lol [19:25] you getting like inetpro now [19:27] uh, wat het ek gedoen? [19:27] nothing, you are totally innocent [19:32] wow kde even has a twitter widget [19:40] night all. sleep tight [19:40] Nag oom , lekker slaap [19:40] Night Kilos [19:40] selle daar dankie [19:40] see you all tomorrow [19:40] be good and get enough sleep [20:11] good night [20:18] Night all