[06:10] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning sleepy head 
[06:10] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:46] <Kilos> morning superfly and everyone else
[06:49] <mazal> Morning all , Môre oom Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:49] <mazal> Would installing this http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=950 makes things even worse seeing as 5.5 is not even stable yet ?
[06:50] <Kilos> wait for superfly to check
[06:50] <Kilos> or inetpro 
[06:50] <Kilos> hi goosie
[06:51] <mazal> Gaanit vanmôre oom ?
[06:51] <Kilos> goed dankie seun en jy
[06:51] <Kilos> net my voet seer
[06:52] <mazal> Okerig , het groot werk wat ek nie lus het voor nie :P
[06:52] <Kilos> oh draad ingesteek paar dae terug en dit kwaai seer nou , sit met voet in warm see water met engelse sout by
[06:53] <Kilos> watse werk
[06:53] <mazal> Ai nee eina. Ek moet my backup drive argiveer
[06:53] <Kilos> na waar
[06:54] <mazal> Doen hom so eenkeer 'n maand. Dis maar net 'n backup van die backup
[06:54] <Kilos> ok
[06:54] <Kilos> rsync?
[06:54] <mazal> Maar voel baoe lui vanmôre lol
[06:54] <mazal> yep grsync
[06:55] <Kilos> ek ken nie grsync nie
[06:55] <mazal> selle ding met gui
[06:55] <Kilos> ok
[06:55] <mazal> En jy kan jobs opstel
[06:55] <mazal> Dan select jy net die job elke keer en run
[06:56] <Kilos> ok
[06:56] <Kilos> ek het altyd net /home ge rsync
[06:56] <Kilos> groot pyn op die lappie wat nie extra skyf vat nie
[06:57] <Kilos> moet seker een dag n external kry weer
[06:57] <mazal> Ek gebruik hom al jare vir my home en data backups
[06:58] <Kilos> maar home het mos als in
[07:00] <Kilos> powwer gone
[07:01] <Kilos> wbb
[08:39] <paddatrapper> Kilos: ek het gister gestudeer en nou werk ek. Ek sal later hier wees, moenie worry nie 
[08:46] <Kilos> geen probleem paddatrapper pas jou op
[09:06] <mazal> *sigh* anothger weekend without internet. irc is literally the only thing working
[09:08]  * pavlushka- same here
[09:11] <mazal> Telscum's usual non-service delivery
[09:11] <mazal> Signal is so bad I can't even open email
[09:18] <theblazehen> mazal: can you reach local sites?
[09:18] <theblazehen> Try mtr home.theblazehen.com
[09:19] <theblazehen> Or just plain ping
[09:20] <theblazehen> Otherwise see if it responds to ssh
[09:39] <Kilos> sigh first power cut then connection issues
[10:01] <paddatrapper> Those two are usually connected. With the power cut throwing the Internet out
[10:03] <mazal> theblazehen, nope , can't even ping it
[10:13] <theblazehen> mazal: Might be blocking pings. No ssh then?
[10:27] <kulelu88> superfly: you around?
[10:29] <mazal> theblazehen, first it said can't establish and then I could connect (ssh). It's my connections here that's the problem. Signal is all over the place
[11:23] <nlsthzn> england keeping SA in the hunt for the sevens crown...
[12:20] <Kilos> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343153906
[12:20] <Kilos> something happened
[12:23] <Kilos> mazal kyk
[12:23] <Kilos> ai!
[12:26] <theblazehen> Eish. Should never upgrade kernel if I'm not planning on rebooting
[12:27] <Kilos> sjoe another 100m upgrade
[12:27] <theblazehen> Won't detect usb flash disk now, but don't wanna reboot
[12:27] <Kilos> eish
[12:27] <theblazehen> >  14:27:11 up 7 days, 18:45,  2 users,  load average: 7.55, 7.18, 6.80
[12:27] <theblazehen> Not much, but I don't like rebooting
[12:27] <theblazehen> https://gist.github.com/27f7be0d0785814246110f39396384a0 uptime stats
[12:28] <theblazehen> Lots of reboots from when this used to be a vm
[12:32] <theblazehen> hey mazal
[12:37] <mazal> DC's all over today
[12:37] <mazal> See oom Kilos is also struggling
[12:38] <theblazehen> mazal: You on 3g right?
[12:38] <mazal> Telkom mobile yes
[12:38] <mazal> Best here is 3g , don't have a LTE tower
[12:42] <mazal> I'm seeing something really weird here
[12:43] <Kilos> what
[12:43] <mazal> The whole day so far , router connects to 3g for about 2 minutes , then goes down to unusable 2g for about 30 minutes , then disconnect completely with no signal
[12:43] <theblazehen> Interesting
[12:44] <mazal> Then it connects 3g again for about 2 minutes and repeats the cycle
[12:44]  * theblazehen hasn't googled as much as I thought this week. Only 366 google searches this week
[12:44] <theblazehen> hmm
[12:44] <mazal> Now here come the strange part.
[12:44] <Kilos> seems here they are working on telkom mobile
[12:44] <theblazehen> mazal: What if you force it down to 2g, see if it gets stable?
[12:44] <Kilos> shoes connected but irc dies
[12:44] <Kilos> shows
[12:44] <mazal> Twice now , when it connects to that 3g I quickly go into something that's speed heavy , online mincraft in this case. Then it stays on 3g
[12:45] <mazal> So it almost looks like it connects , checks of there is use , if not disconnects to 2g , after while disconnect completely and repeat the cycle
[12:45] <mazal> Once there is heavy use it stays on 3g
[12:45] <Kilos> lol
[12:45] <mazal> Now how weird is that !
[12:46] <mazal> What you wonna bet if I go out of the onine session in MC now it will disconnect back to 2g within 2 minutes
[12:46] <Kilos> what isp?
[12:47] <mazal> It's almost as if there is some auto-check now on our signal here with " if not in use disconnect " or something
[12:47] <mazal> Kilos, Telscum
[12:47] <Kilos> i think they are working on it mazal 
[12:48] <mazal> The only thing they can work on is peoples nerves
[12:48] <theblazehen> mazal: What if you have a constant ping running? Low data usage, but constant
[12:48] <Kilos> ive disconnected 4 or 5 times already
[12:48] <Kilos> and got a wonderful speedtest just now
[12:48] <Kilos> did you go see the link
[12:48] <theblazehen> They might downgrade "inactive" sessions
[12:49] <mazal> This never happened before , and should not happen. If this is how it is though I will keep the bloody mc logged in all day
[12:49] <theblazehen> mazal: ping would be less data though
[12:49] <theblazehen> ping -i 5 8.8.8.8
[12:49] <theblazehen> I think
[12:49] <Kilos> mazal go to http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343153906
[12:50] <Kilos> check mine then test yours
[12:50] <theblazehen> You know there is a new speed test out? http://fast.com
[12:50] <mazal> And this makes the connection unusable , it's only works when there is HEAVY traffic. Browsing and email doesn't work and doesn't "activate" it then even
[12:50] <Kilos> i go see
[12:51] <mazal> And permanent irc is connected and that doesn't help either
[12:52] <mazal> The only thing keeping it up now is online gaming :(
[12:57] <mazal> Ok let's test the theory , been stable on 3g for 30 minutes while in MC online , lets close MC and leave just irc open and see what happens
[13:05] <mazal> And now it doesn't seem to dc again.....wts is going on
[13:09] <mazal> Kilos, http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5343244873 , that's the speed I always get when connected to 3g and is the best it ever gets
[13:10] <Kilos> well lets hope they are working on it
[13:10] <mazal> Something is very wrong the last 3 days
[13:11] <mazal> This 40 minutes is the longest now that it actually worked since Thursday
[13:11] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:12] <theblazehen> mazal: Cell C is running a promotion, 100 mb data per month for 6 months free. Maybe try get one of those?
[13:12] <theblazehen> Not much, but better than nothing
[13:16] <mazal> theblazehen, I have an afrihost little backup account , but for some reason this 16.04 thing didn't even want to detect my dongle today when I tried. And it worked fine before :(
[13:16] <theblazehen> mazal: Using a different dongle now?
[13:16] <mazal> The issues on this release just doesn't end
[13:16] <theblazehen> Have you tried using wvdial?
[13:17] <theblazehen> Honsetly, *buntu gives me so many issues.. I even prefer fedora
[13:17] <mazal> theblazehen, no I am back on my main lan now that has the router
[13:18] <theblazehen> ah okay
[13:18] <theblazehen> Can't use the afrihost with it?
[13:18] <mazal> If it comes to that I will yes
[13:18] <mazal> Just so gatvol of struggling that I just left it
[13:19] <theblazehen> ya
[13:20] <mazal> Don't really want to struggle on a Saturday after a whole week of struggling with pc's at work
[13:27] <mazal> Hi Cryterion
[13:27] <Cryterion> heya
[13:27] <mazal> How goes
[14:52] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[14:52] <Kilos> you ok?
[14:53] <Kilos> im having connection issues so not seeing when peeps join
[14:53] <Kilos> im fine ty how are you?
[14:53] <gremble> I am alright thanks. Feeling better. Although I am developing quite a painful sinus headache
[14:53] <gremble> :/
[14:53] <Kilos> ouch
[14:54] <gremble> It is pressing into my right eye hard enough to make it tear up haha
[14:55] <Kilos> listen
[14:55] <Kilos> im looking for the name of the stuff
[14:56] <Kilos> Bactroban ointment
[14:56] <Kilos> its for sinus but weirdly you rub some on your upper eyelids
[14:56] <Kilos> best thing for sinus probs
[14:56] <gremble> Yes, that is an antibiotic ointment. I think we have the generic version of it in the house somewhere.
[14:56] <gremble> I am going to do that right now
[14:57] <Kilos> get from chemist without script
[14:59] <Kilos> only by rubbing on eyelids can you clear sinusses, sinusprays and things dont work
[15:00] <Kilos> should take 30 mins to an hour then youll start blowing nos lots and it will clear then and headache should go as well
[15:01] <Kilos>  nasal sprays clear only the nose area not into the sinus
[15:17] <Kilos> another thing you can do is find an empty nasal spray bottle and put sea water in it and sniff that
[15:19] <Kilos> when ever friends go to the coast for holidays we get them to bring back a large container with sea water and some sea sand in
[15:19] <Kilos> seasand keeps the water fresh
[16:09] <Kilos-> time to complain to telkom again
[16:09] <Kilos-> just lose connection even though nm shows connected
[16:55] <Kilos> ai!
[17:12] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[17:46] <inetpro> goeie mirrag
[17:47] <inetpro> theblazehen: please explain how you get startups with no shutdowns
[17:47] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:47] <inetpro> ohi Kilos as well
[17:48] <theblazehen> inetpro: Notice the "bad" shutdowns. It would always freeze right before shutting down, needed a hard reset
[17:48] <inetpro> ahh... that explains it
[17:49] <theblazehen> Yeah. I should maybe find out why
[17:49] <inetpro> that's horrible
[17:49] <inetpro> check the logs
[17:49] <theblazehen> indeed. Especially because I can't reboot over ssh
[17:49] <inetpro> or check the console as it shuts down
[17:50] <paddatrapper> gremble: I've got the same headache. Started today. Change of season here we come 
[17:50] <theblazehen> I think I have systemd only logging to ram
[17:50] <Kilos> eish paddatrapper 
[17:50] <theblazehen> Everything seems normal, then display goes blank, not sure, but it might have that blank cursor around the size you'd expect with a 80x25 display
[17:50] <Kilos> you also suffer from sinus
[17:50] <paddatrapper> And I'm supposed to go diving on Tuesday!  Doesn't look like that is going to happen
[17:51] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: That sucks
[17:51] <inetpro> theblazehen: your desktop?
[17:51] <theblazehen> inetpro: Yeah
[17:51] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Yeah. Inherited it from my father 
[17:51] <theblazehen> Reminds me, need to rebuild vm host
[17:51] <Kilos> get bactronban and sea water
[17:51] <inetpro> press Esc during shutdown
[17:51] <theblazehen> Let me charge laptops, then get started on that..
[17:52] <paddatrapper> Kilos: I will. Plenty of both around here! 
[17:52] <theblazehen> inetpro: Not sure if that would help. Happens after keyboard powers down (usb), think I should try ps2? It happens after disks get synced etc though
[17:52] <Kilos> sniffing sea water gets minerals to the sinusses that heal them
[17:53] <Kilos> and bactroban on upper eye lids
[17:53] <Kilos> not up your nose
[17:54] <inetpro> theblazehen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6122/how-to-see-whats-going-on-during-shutdown
[17:54] <inetpro> am not sure whether that is still valid
[17:54] <inetpro> things change way too often these days
[17:54] <Kilos> and way too fast
[17:54] <theblazehen> inetpro: I'm on arch. Don't have quiet set, and no splash screen either
[17:54] <theblazehen> I see normal shutdown messages, all seems good, then blank screen
[17:55] <inetpro> good, I always try to disable splash as well
[17:55]  * inetpro prefers to see startup and shutdown processes
[17:55] <theblazehen> inetpro: You run ubuntu?
[17:55] <inetpro> which reminds me, I haven't changed it here yet since installing 16.04
[17:56] <Kilos> he runs kubuntu
[17:56] <inetpro> am on kubuntu 16.04
[17:56] <Kilos> sjoe you forgot that
[17:56] <inetpro> but I don't have a multi-screen environment
[17:57] <inetpro> think that is still the buggiest part of it if I read complains online
[17:57] <theblazehen> Ah, yes
[17:57] <inetpro> complaints*
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: what happens if you add salt to a cup full of ice?
[18:02] <Kilos> dunno
[18:02] <Kilos> what happens inetpro 
[18:02] <inetpro> have you ever seen how they put salt to let snow melt away?
[18:02] <Kilos> nope
[18:02] <theblazehen> inetpro: Not a good idea..
[18:03] <inetpro> it's actually fascinating 
[18:03] <theblazehen> Well, dunno about in a cup
[18:03] <Kilos> i dont know why anyone would add salt to ice
[18:03] <inetpro> salt lowers the freezing point of water
[18:03] <inetpro> so it starts melting
[18:03] <Kilos> ok
[18:03] <theblazehen> Kilos: salt and ice challenge is a thing.. :/
[18:03] <inetpro> but even more fascinating is what actually happens to the temperature of the water
[18:04] <Kilos> tell
[18:04] <Kilos> dont procrastinate
[18:04] <inetpro> my son has meassured it going down till -11.6
[18:04] <Kilos> wow
[18:05] <inetpro> the more salty it becomes the lower the freezing point 
[18:07] <inetpro> "a mixture of rock salt, ice, and water packed in the bucket around the ice cream mix can bring the temperature down as low as -21°C"
[18:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:07] <Kilos> like making your own freezer
[18:08] <inetpro> unfortunately it doesn't last for a very long time
[18:09] <inetpro> when all the ice has melted it will warm up again
[18:09] <paddatrapper> Eish 
[18:10] <inetpro> I guess if you keep adding ice and salt you could keep it cold for quite some time
[18:12] <paddatrapper> At some point you may as well use a fridge 
[18:12] <inetpro> and the opposite question to the schoolproject is, how do you use chemicals for heating up food safely
[18:13] <inetpro> reminded me of the days in the army
[18:14] <inetpro> interesting science in real life with the heat packs that we got in those days
[18:14] <paddatrapper> Got to be chemicals that leave no poisonous residue when they react I guess
[18:15] <paddatrapper> Or fine a way to contain them 
[18:15] <inetpro> the answer to that lies in Aluminium and Calcium Carbonate
[18:16] <inetpro> uh oh!
[18:17] <paddatrapper> Power cut perhaps? 
[18:17] <inetpro> shame
[18:18] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[18:18] <Kilos> ty inetpro so many disconnections today
[18:20] <Kilos> i dont know if the prob is here or if its telkoms data connection falling away
[18:20] <Kilos> nm shows still connected but everything loses online connection
[18:20] <Kilos> inetpro fix it
[18:20] <Kilos> must i rev telkom?
[18:24] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz hi
[18:25]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[18:30] <magespawn> good evening
[18:30] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:34] <magespawn> hi Kilos, how's it going?
[18:35] <Kilos> ok ty magespawn and you
[18:35] <mazal> hi magespawn
[18:35] <magespawn> yup all good
[18:35] <magespawn> hey mazal 
[18:36] <paddatrapper> Hey magespawn
[18:36] <superfly> .
[18:36] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[18:37] <mazal> And finally the archiving is finished
[18:37] <Kilos> yay
[18:37] <mazal> That took a while :P
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <mazal> 1.7tb usb to usb
[18:38] <superfly> mazal: the Kubuntu backports is the worst thing ever
[18:38] <superfly> mazal: do not install. I repeat, do not install.
[18:39] <mazal> superfly, copy that
[18:39]  * mazal bekyk die dak
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <inetpro> wat is fount met die dak?
[18:40] <inetpro> fout*
[18:40] <mazal> Well if I can drill a hole through the ceiling , get cable through there , move 2 consoles to the upstairs , then I can add my little server downstairs
[18:40] <superfly> mazal: when my new hard drive for my netbook arrives, I'm getting rid of Kubuntu and installing Debian unstable with KDE
[18:41] <superfly> Debian unstable is more stable than Kubuntu
[18:41] <mazal> I dunno Debian , but have to agree on Kubuntu.
[18:41]  * mazal scared of Debian
[18:41] <superfly> mazal: Debian is what Ubuntu *should* be
[18:41] <superfly> there's nothing to be scared of
[18:42] <mazal> Isn't it very difficult ?
[18:42] <superfly> difficult se voet
[18:42] <inetpro> superfly: what is your initial installation procedure, you download the dvd to start with?
[18:43] <mazal> I wanted to try it few times , but some online comments suggested it is a difficult OS.
[18:43] <inetpro> or you start with debian-8.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso ?
[18:46] <superfly> I started with the netinst ISO I think. I have uncapped, so bandwidth is not an issue for me
[18:48] <inetpro> I guess if Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable it will always be a bit behind Debian
[18:48] <superfly> https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#task
[18:48] <inetpro> the terms stable and unstable are very relative 
[18:49] <superfly> inetpro: Kubuntu is a little ahead of Debian for the first few months, because they pull the latest from KDE (bugs and all)
[18:49] <inetpro> ah
[18:49] <superfly> and then it lags behind when unstable gets the latest KDE (minus afforementioned bugs)
[18:49] <superfly> unstable is a rolling distro, there are no releases like Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[18:50] <superfly> small, incremental upgrades = less things to go wrong
[18:51] <inetpro> but unstable is not Jessie, or is it?
[18:52]  * inetpro answering his self
[18:52] <inetpro> "Debian Unstable (also known by its codename "Sid") is not strictly a release,..." https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable
[18:56] <mazal> So if I read that right , unstable is always the latest
[18:57] <Kilos>  ill stay on 14.04 till 16.04 is stable
[18:58]  * mazal beplan verder
[18:59] <magespawn> mazal i have debian jessie on an old laptop, no problems so far
[19:00] <mazal> Think I must try it one day
[19:00] <magespawn> also have kali linux on two machines, which now skips ubuntu and goes striaght to debian
[19:00] <magespawn> straight
[19:00] <Kilos> id feel guilty going to ubuntu meetings from debian
[19:01] <mazal> Kilos hehehehe , not as dirty as I felt being here while I was still on Win lol
[19:01] <mazal> That just felt wrooooooong
[19:01] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <mazal> Thankfully pc gaming days are behind now
[19:02] <Kilos> thats good, shows you have a conscience
[19:02] <Kilos> good lad
[19:02] <mazal> lol
[19:03] <mazal> I wonder how good this B315 wi-fi is....
[19:03] <mazal> Maybe I don't need to drill a hole
[19:03] <Kilos> test it and stop wondering
[19:03]  * mazal bekyk big blue en haar tjommie
[19:04] <Kilos> wifi battles through concrete 
[19:04] <magespawn> mazal maybe ethernet over power is and idea
[19:04] <mazal> This is a really thick concrete ceiling/floor
[19:04] <magespawn> s/and/an
[19:04] <Kilos> eth
[19:06] <mazal> Kilos, why didn't you stop me from buying so much stuff man
[19:06] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:06] <Kilos> whew
[19:06] <mazal> magespawn, that is indeed
[19:06] <Kilos> sorry man
[19:06] <Kilos> eth over power is dicey imo
[19:07] <Kilos> surges can cook you pc
[19:07] <mazal> I have only heard of it , don't know it at all
[19:08] <paddatrapper> Kilos: How do you think I feel, helping organise a Debian conference, while only having run Ubuntu for about 2/3 weeks...
[19:08] <magespawn> surge arrest the power on both ends and the lan, and you be fairly safe
[19:09] <paddatrapper> I've had surges blow so many different things - from power supplies to on-board audio cards
[19:09] <Kilos> hahahaha @ paddatrapper 
[19:10] <Kilos> just buy a proper eth cable the right length mazal 
[19:10] <paddatrapper> The closest I've come to debian is running something loosely based on it as an app on my tablet so that I can ssh into an Arch box
[19:11] <Kilos> they not expensive and now you so rich with all the savings you wont feel it
[19:11] <paddatrapper> mazal: Where are you based again? I've got some excess CAT5 you can have
[19:12] <Kilos> he is here paddatrapper 
[19:13] <paddatrapper> where is here Kilos? I'm assuming Gauteng
[19:13] <Kilos> mazal ask langjan he supplies eth to the lady over the road from him
[19:13] <Kilos> pretoria
[19:14] <paddatrapper> Ah, yeah sorry a little far then
[19:14] <mazal> Cullinan aka gat-gat
[19:15] <mazal> Kilos, cable is not a problem , it's getting it there. This place was built to last
[19:15] <Kilos> i think langjan paid 150 for 50 meters
[19:15] <Kilos> drill a hole man
[19:16] <Kilos> or run out a window and up the wall
[19:16] <mazal> Gonna test these girls's wi-fi with the B315 first and see
[19:16] <Kilos> dont find problems, find solutions
[19:16] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> ai!
[19:17] <mazal> Wat nou ai ?
[19:17] <Kilos> fly should be skaam
[19:18] <paddatrapper> mazal: If it is through a slab, then going out and around is probably easier. Just cut a grove into the outside and re-plaster when you're done (probably encase it in a PVC pipe so you can run more/remove it later)
[19:19] <Kilos> @ubuntu/member on debian
[19:19] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:20] <paddatrapper> lol
[19:21] <mazal> Making me lus to try stuff
[19:21] <Kilos> i wouldnt be able to look anyone in the eyes
[19:21] <mazal> And that's usually when I break stuff
[19:21] <Kilos> make your plans mazal then ask first before you go ahead
[19:22] <paddatrapper> I need to do the same thing eventually to run a connection or two downstairs. Just need to get round to doing it
[19:22] <mazal> I should have done it when we installed my cable for the downstairs lan , but didn't think I would need it one day
[19:24] <mazal> All Kilos's fault
[19:24] <mazal> He knows I must be supervised
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <Kilos> you getting like inetpro now
[19:27] <inetpro> uh, wat het ek gedoen?
[19:27] <Kilos> nothing, you are totally innocent
[19:32] <Kilos> wow kde even has a twitter widget
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <mazal> Nag oom , lekker slaap
[19:40] <paddatrapper> Night Kilos 
[19:40] <Kilos> selle daar dankie
[19:40] <Kilos> see you all tomorrow
[19:40] <Kilos> be good and get enough sleep
[20:11] <magespawn> good night
[20:18] <mazal> Night all