[00:00] <mate|5651> well anything should run better than this garbage
[00:07] <mate|5651> i'm going to give it a try. thanks for all your help. see ya around ^.^
[00:12] <YankDownUnder> Reckon I need a coffee now...no one's going to buy me one...hmm...
[02:13] <wildknees> does the audio software ardour run okay in mate?
[05:48] <mkiii> hi
[05:50] <mkiii> is it possible to force synaptic to use aria2 instead of wget
[06:52] <jcjordyn120> Hey where can I download the Yakkety images?
[07:16] <sun> what this
[07:46] <pfrench> anyone used btrfs?  I'm thinking of converting
[07:47] <gordonjcp> pfrench: yes
[07:47] <gordonjcp> pfrench: it's even better than DBAN
[07:48] <gordonjcp> pfrench: as filesystems go, it's...
[07:48] <pfrench> DBAN?
[07:48] <gordonjcp> Darek's Boot'N'Nuke
[07:48] <gordonjcp> great way of wiping data off disks securely
[07:48] <pfrench> Well I missed the old .snapshot directories I used to have
[07:48] <gordonjcp> btrfs is, uhm
[07:48] <gordonjcp> idiosyncratic
[07:49] <pfrench> still not quite stable?
[07:50] <pfrench> for me, I'm interested in the quick snapshots and transparent compression
[07:50] <gordonjcp> I don't really get the point of compression
[07:50] <gordonjcp> back in the day it was good, when hard disks were expensive and 40MB was a month's wages
[07:51] <pfrench> Well, for lots of #include files, it's using lzo, which is often faster than any SSD
[07:52] <pfrench> I worked on a project where I had to compress these "DSP Lists" for video processing
[07:52] <pfrench> I found If I de-lzo'd them into memory they'd actually run faster than if I loaded them directly off of disk
[07:53] <pfrench> so I figured header files would benefit similarly
[07:54] <pfrench> basically, read performance goes up, and it decompresses pretty much straight into CPU cache so it's faster than DMA+cache loads
[07:55] <pfrench> but directory snapshots/rollback are what I'm really looking for.
[07:55] <gordonjcp> hm, I guess
[07:55] <gordonjcp> if your files are small enough to fit into cache that's likely a win
[07:55] <pfrench> embedded developer, lots of #include files
[07:56] <pfrench> But I'm thinking of converting my ext4 to btrfs
[07:57] <pfrench> was it stable?
[08:00] <pfrench> gordonjcp, ?
[11:07] <SuperEngineer> Someone saw me installing Ubuntu-Mate on Friday evening. When I walked away to get a pint, they asked, "aren't you going to watch it install, what if it goes wrong?"
[11:08] <SuperEngineer> "no need", said I... it'll be ok!  [& it was] :-)
[11:45] <Guest68307> How du i uninstall programmes in ubuntu mate?
 1st you obtain enough patience to wait for an answer rather than ask and disappear  ;-)
[13:23] <SuperEngineer> xxxx is now now known as xxxxxy - all day long - xxxx is now now known as xxxxxy. Hurumphhh
[14:16] <ouroumov__> SuperEngineer, I'd like to have your confidence level, but ther's still glitches
[14:17] <ouroumov__> Other day after choosing French as install language, it wouldn't detect my password
[14:18] <ouroumov__> Also I don't know who translated the installer but 'legacy' became 'obsolete' in French
[14:21] <Akuli> that's pretty bad
[14:24] <Akuli> If other distros have the same translations you should check who translated the version of ubiquity you're having the problem with
[14:24] <Akuli> ubiquity is the gui installer
[14:25] <ouroumov__> Akuli, you think I can file a bug report for a translation issue?
[14:26] <Akuli> No, i don't :)
[14:27] <Akuli> I don't even use the ubiquity installer, i always use distros that provide a mini.iso. Ubuntu does that too.
[14:52] <Artemis3> SuperEngineer, if something does go wrong, staring at the install process isn't going to help much anyway xD
[14:53] <SuperEngineer> +1
[14:56] <Artemis3> ouroumov__, maybe its a keyboard layout issue? are you using a, q, w, z, m or ? in the password?
[14:58] <ouroumov__> Artemis3, yes, and I thought about that too.
[14:58] <ouroumov__> I'm wondering if I couldn't have picked the wrong layout option because of the error in translation
[14:59] <Artemis3> you could pick english AND french layout when booting the live iso to test
[14:59] <ouroumov__> I'm gonna check it out
[15:00] <Artemis3> its f3 i think
[15:00] <Artemis3> after you pick language
[15:00] <ouroumov__> ehrm the language step appears after the disk partitioning
[15:01] <ouroumov__> I'm gonna have to try this in a VM because my machine took enough
[15:01] <Artemis3> no no no
[15:01] <Artemis3> when you boot the iso, it shows a gray screen, you have to press a key
[15:02] <Artemis3> then it asks what language, and then you can press f3 and change keyb layout
[15:03] <Artemis3> this is before it boots, otherwise it WILL use US keyb at install time (and you are inputing your password with US layout) at reboot you have french keyb
[15:03] <Artemis3> so those keys would fail
[15:04] <ouroumov__> Artemis3, even with the installer started in French?
[15:04] <Artemis3> yes
[15:04] <ouroumov__> Why in the sweet hell?
[15:04] <Artemis3> so you hve to do it before that
[15:04] <Artemis3> at grub
[15:04] <ouroumov__> Hold on
[15:05] <ouroumov__> Alright we're still talking about the live "try without install" stuff right?
[15:05] <Artemis3> when you boot the iso, it shows a gray screen with a white keyb = human logo thingie, you have to press a key at that moment quickly
[15:06] <ouroumov__> That's whet the little human mean?
[15:06] <ouroumov__> means *
[15:07] <Artemis3> who knows, but it lets you change language and keyboard
[15:07] <ouroumov__> Who is the genius who came up with that idea?
[15:07] <Artemis3> this is a gotcha, i also use a different layout
[15:07] <Artemis3> with most ubuntu derivetives you have to do the same
[15:07] <Artemis3> so probably someone in canonical (english)
[15:07] <ouroumov__> Basically that means when you hand out USB sticks to people and say "just try it without installing", their first experience of Linux is gonna be that the thing's not capable of setting the keyboard.
[15:08] <Artemis3> unless you manually alter the grub option to default to french or such
[15:10] <Artemis3> or put a sticker "press a key quickly when you see a gray screen xD"
[15:10] <ouroumov__> Yeah...
[15:10] <ouroumov__> Still, IMO this is a serious f*ckup.
[15:10] <Artemis3> the good news is if you do it there, the desktop starts in the language (or should)
[15:11] <Artemis3> in the past, this would be asked always without you pressing a key
[15:11] <Artemis3> when ubuntu was 10.04 or such
[15:11] <ouroumov__> Again with proof that newer isn't better.
[15:12] <Artemis3> someone (probably from english speaking country) made a change to not prompt by default your language
[15:13] <ouroumov__> Artemis3, is this something that can be fixed by tweaking ubiquity conf in individual flavors? Or is this something all 16.04 versions are afflicted with?
[15:14] <Artemis3> if anywhere, grub would be the place (not ubiquity)
[15:16] <Artemis3> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization#Change_default_language_of_gfxboot
[15:21] <ouroumov__> Yeah
[15:21] <ouroumov__> Well, it's just sad.
[15:21] <Artemis3> https://ubuntu-mate.community/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b87faffdb36885d96345109b411ef80161eb3543.png
[15:22] <Artemis3> this is where you press f2 to change language and f3 to change layout
[15:25] <ouroumov__> There must be something wrong with my iso cause I see a text grub with no options when I boot the key :/
[15:29] <Artemis3> try pressing SHIFT
[15:30] <Artemis3> when you are booting the iso
[15:30] <Artemis3> oh text grub?
[15:30] <Artemis3> what iso do you have?
[15:35] <ubuntu-mate> does anyone know how i can install drivers
[15:36] <ouroumov__> Hi ubuntu-mate
[15:37] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, common drivers packs are a one click install in the Welcome Splash Screen, section "Getting Started -> Drivers"
[15:37] <ubuntu-mate> ok thanks
[15:38] <ubuntu-mate> it only shows me shortcuts
[15:38] <ouroumov__> Artemis3, not sure. It says Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS when I mount it, and I remember burning it like the day when Xenial was released. But the Grub says Beta 2, it's weird.
[15:39] <ouroumov__> ubuntu-mate, what version of Ubuntu MATE are you using, and are you on the live session ?
[15:39] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[15:39] <ubuntu-mate> i am installing the os atm and i want to know how to do it after
[15:39] <Artemis3> ouroumov__, did you use dvd or usb stick?
[15:40] <ubuntu-mate> usb
[15:40] <ubuntu-mate> live
[15:40] <ouroumov__> Well you should have an option after ubuntu-mate.
[15:40] <Artemis3> ubuntu-mate, how did you copy the iso to usb
[15:40] <Artemis3> sorry ouroumov__
[15:40] <ubuntu-mate> ok dude thanks bro
[15:40] <ubuntu-mate> cya
[15:40] <Artemis3> ouroumov__, i would advise to use dd
[15:40] <ouroumov__> Artemis3: dd then sync, the lazy man's way.
[15:40] <Artemis3> then it should work
[15:40] <ouroumov__> (And yes, USB)
[15:41] <Artemis3> maybe its an old iso? but even in beta2 i remember it works
[15:41] <Artemis3> anyway try release iso
[15:41] <ouroumov__> I'm gonna download a fresh version and burn it again
[15:41] <ouroumov__> But not right now
[15:42] <Artemis3> ok
[15:42] <ouroumov__> Anyway thanks for the tips & such Artemis3
[15:42] <ouroumov__> I didn't know about the little man.
[15:43] <Artemis3> lol
[16:43] <andresb-24> Buenas a todos
[16:43] <andresb-24> alguien aca que hable español
[16:45] <andresb-24> necesito ayuda
[17:32] <akgupta> i am not able to install apps.
[17:44] <carlos_> Hello everybody
[17:45] <carlos_> I need some help about hubuntu mate
[17:45] <carlos_> Who can you help me
[17:51] <kisb> everybody can help you
[17:51] <kisb> just ask
[20:16] <hasan_> Hi geeks!
[20:17] <hasan_> I can't install ubuntu-mate 16.04 due to screen crash at setup startup!!
[22:12] <alzo9204> hi all
[22:21] <smokes> hi all
[22:22] <smokes> anyone knows about an issue with Killer wifi 1535?
[22:33] <na_> Hi folks!  Has anyone had a problem with Chrome being open and then being unable to click/highlight anything on the desktop?  This only seems to happen with Compiz enabled.
[22:39] <na_> Found the answer.  Under settings find "Use system title bar and borders" and enable it.
[23:29] <dani_> algun@ latin@
[23:59] <TheMarius> http://appimage.org/ <- interesting.. sandboxed apps!