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tyhicks | #startmeeting | 16:39 |
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meetingology | Meeting started Mon May 23 16:39:44 2016 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:39 |
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tyhicks | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 16:39 |
tyhicks | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 16:39 |
tyhicks | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 16:39 |
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tyhicks | jdstrand: you're up | 16:39 |
jdstrand | hello | 16:40 |
jdstrand | I'm focused on snappy this week | 16:40 |
jdstrand | specifically, I'm working on more sdoc policy updates, policy recompiles for apparmor upgrades on snappy and sprint outcomes | 16:40 |
jdstrand | tyhicks: I have a question on seccomp arg filtering. do you plan to review that this week? if not, I need to do an SRU for the ecryptfs denial in the launcher and will work on that. if so, I'll bundle together and work on that | 16:41 |
jdstrand | in addition, I need to followup on the click-apparmor SRU | 16:42 |
tyhicks | jdstrand: I do plan to review it this week | 16:43 |
jdstrand | ok, thanks | 16:43 |
jdstrand | then I'll also be doing the second part of that :) | 16:43 |
jdstrand | mdes laur is out, so, sbeattie, you're up | 16:44 |
sbeattie | I'm in the happy place this week | 16:44 |
sbeattie | I'm working on getting the glibc updates out this week | 16:45 |
sbeattie | I need to get back at looking at some of the build failures in yakkety caused by enabling pie | 16:45 |
sbeattie | I'll probably try to pick up another update in the background this week, since our backlog is long | 16:46 |
sbeattie | I also need to see where we're at with upstream apparmor on some things, whether we can release 2.11 and pull that into yakkety. | 16:47 |
sbeattie | That's probably it for me. tyhicks? | 16:47 |
tyhicks | I'm doing CVE triage this week | 16:47 |
tyhicks | otherwise, I'm mostly focused on snappy | 16:47 |
tyhicks | I'm fixing and SRUing bug #1584069 in support of bug #1583259 | 16:48 |
ubottu | bug 1584069 in AppArmor "change_profile rules need a modifier to allow non-secureexec transitions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584069 | 16:48 |
ubottu | bug 1583259 in Snappy Launcher "Snappy needs to influence environment variables in applications " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583259 | 16:48 |
tyhicks | then I'll do some ubuntu-core-launcher MP reviews (including seccomp arg filtering) | 16:48 |
tyhicks | and then I'll be making the ubuntu-core-launcher changes for bug #1582781 | 16:49 |
ubottu | bug 1582781 in Snappy "snapd needs a way to control mount points " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1582781 | 16:49 |
tyhicks | that's it for me | 16:49 |
tyhicks | I don't see jj so you're up, sarnold | 16:49 |
* jjohansen is here | 16:49 | |
tyhicks | ah | 16:49 |
tyhicks | jjohansen: go ahead | 16:49 |
jjohansen | I am working on apparmor this week | 16:50 |
jjohansen | I have a user who has volunteered to run a test kernel for bug 1581990 which I think is the same as 1579135 | 16:51 |
ubottu | bug 1581990 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Profile reload leads to kernel NULL pointer dereference" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581990 | 16:51 |
jjohansen | so hopefully I can make some progress on it | 16:51 |
jdstrand | tyhicks: note that zyga is updating the launcher for 'snap-run' and the project is moving and possibly renamed | 16:51 |
* jdstrand gets link | 16:51 | |
jjohansen | bug 1579135 | 16:52 |
ubottu | bug 1579135 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "kernel BUG on snap disconnect from within a snap" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579135 | 16:52 |
jdstrand | tyhicks: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-run/pull/1/files | 16:53 |
jjohansen | I found a couple more bugs while auditing the code looking a fix for that and I need to clean those up a bit | 16:53 |
jjohansen | I need to finish reviewing the gsettings stuff and discuss that this week | 16:54 |
tyhicks | jdstrand: thanks | 16:54 |
jdstrand | tyhicks: I'm discussing how thi simpacts us in #snappy | 16:54 |
jjohansen | I expect to be reviewing some patches from tyhicks, and I'll be working on fixing up more stacking issues | 16:55 |
tyhicks | jjohansen: can you start putting together a list of bug links for stacking issues that need to be fixed by 16.04.1 so that we can allow unpriv policy loads? | 16:56 |
jjohansen | tyhicks: sure | 16:56 |
tyhicks | thanks | 16:56 |
jjohansen | thats it for me sarnold | 16:57 |
sarnold | I'm on bug triage this week; I'm working on getting the imagemagick updates out the door; I may also do some smallsih apparmor work for distraction, some wiki editing or patch reviews | 16:57 |
sarnold | that's it for me, chrisccoulson? | 16:57 |
chrisccoulson | No updates planned for me this week, although I'll probably be spending some time preparing the next oxide release (1.15) | 16:58 |
chrisccoulson | I also need to figure out what we're going to do with 32-bit builds, given that launchpad has no support for cross-compiling packages (confirmed by infinity last week) | 16:59 |
chrisccoulson | Other than that, I'll be working through bugs as usual | 16:59 |
chrisccoulson | that's me done | 16:59 |
tyhicks | chrisccoulson: is the GN transition done? | 17:01 |
chrisccoulson | tyhicks, no, as usual things seem to have slipped a bit upstream, taking the pressure off. So I used that to get some other stuff done last week | 17:02 |
chrisccoulson | (I'm still working on it) | 17:02 |
tyhicks | ok, thanks | 17:02 |
tyhicks | glad you got some breathing room there | 17:02 |
tyhicks | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 17:03 |
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tyhicks | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 17:03 |
tyhicks | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 17:03 |
tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html | 17:03 |
tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/virtualbox.html | 17:03 |
tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/aria2.html | 17:03 |
tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-sabredav.html | 17:03 |
tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libiptables-parse-perl.html | 17:03 |
tyhicks | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 17:03 |
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tyhicks | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 17:03 |
tyhicks | jdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks! | 17:05 |
tyhicks | #endmeeting | 17:05 |
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meetingology | Meeting ended Mon May 23 17:05:38 2016 UTC. | 17:05 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-23-16.39.moin.txt | 17:05 |
jjohansen | thanks tyhicks | 17:05 |
jdstrand | tyhicks: thanks! :) | 17:05 |
sbeattie | tyhicks: thanks! | 17:06 |
sarnold | thanks tyhicks :) | 17:09 |
bdmurray | sil2100: I think infinity and cyphermox are out today... | 19:00 |
sil2100 | o/ | 19:01 |
rbasak | o/ | 19:01 |
sil2100 | hm, let's see if we'll have a quorum | 19:01 |
rbasak | If the only application is GunnarHj's PPU extension, I'm not sure if we even need a quorum. | 19:02 |
* rbasak checks | 19:02 | |
sil2100 | Oh, we don't? I though any vote-related decision would require a quorum - but I'm new to all this | 19:03 |
rbasak | I can't find a reference, still looking. | 19:04 |
rbasak | I thought that some items needed a +1 only from one DMB member, such as expanding an existing packageset. Not sure about PPU. | 19:05 |
rbasak | Well, I can't find a reference to say that we don't, so let's assume that we need quorum. | 19:06 |
rbasak | Is anyone else here? | 19:06 |
bdmurray | I am | 19:06 |
sil2100 | Ok, so still 3 people | 19:07 |
rbasak | GunnarHj: are you here? | 19:07 |
GunnarHj | Yes. | 19:07 |
rbasak | OK, let's see if we can find enough DMB people. | 19:07 |
sil2100 | What was that command to ping all DMB members? | 19:07 |
sil2100 | Ah, you did that just now | 19:07 |
sil2100 | :) | 19:07 |
rbasak | We could continue and if unanimous then ask for one more vote by email. | 19:08 |
sil2100 | Ok, let me start the meeting then | 19:09 |
sil2100 | #startmeeting DMB meeting | 19:09 |
meetingology | Meeting started Mon May 23 19:09:24 2016 UTC. The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:09 |
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micahg | o/ I"m kinda here, but otp | 19:09 |
BenC | o/ | 19:09 |
sil2100 | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:09 |
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sil2100 | o/ | 19:09 |
BenC | Appologies for the tardiness | 19:09 |
sil2100 | We have a quorum then | 19:09 |
sil2100 | Ok, so action items: | 19:10 |
sil2100 | cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions | 19:10 |
sil2100 | Not sure if that happened ^ ? | 19:10 |
sil2100 | cyphermox is not around but anyone else knows maybe? | 19:10 |
rbasak | I could try asking Launchpad but no point holding the meeting up for that. | 19:10 |
sil2100 | Ok, let's continue then, we can follow up on that later indeed | 19:11 |
sil2100 | #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications | 19:11 |
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sil2100 | #subtopic GunnarHj | 19:11 |
bdmurray | I thought there was a question about whether or not he needed new endorsements. | 19:12 |
sil2100 | So the topic in mention is GunnarHj's request to extend his PPU rights to more packages | 19:12 |
sil2100 | Without a new batch of endorsements | 19:12 |
GunnarHj | As regards endorsements, dholbach entered one on my old applications. | 19:13 |
sil2100 | bdmurray: you think we should have a separate vote for that, or just treat it as part of the vote for PPU extension? | 19:13 |
GunnarHj | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GunnarHj/PerPackageUploaderApplication | 19:13 |
sil2100 | Any opinions regarding our current situation ^ ? | 19:16 |
bdmurray | sil2100: I guess voting, I don't think we have a policy for extending PPU uploads. | 19:16 |
rbasak | sil2100: IMHO it's fine without a separate vote. If somebody isn't happy because of a desire to see endorsements, then that can be made clear in a single vote. | 19:16 |
sil2100 | Right, I agree with rbasak's view here as well | 19:16 |
bdmurray | if it were someone applying for core dev we would want to see endorsements. | 19:16 |
sil2100 | Right | 19:17 |
bdmurray | not just reuse their motu ones. | 19:17 |
sil2100 | Any members have questions to GunnarHj before we start the vote? | 19:17 |
sil2100 | The extended package set can be found here: | 19:17 |
sil2100 | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000924.html | 19:17 |
rbasak | Yes | 19:17 |
rbasak | GunnarHj: as you're applying without endorsements, I feel I have to ask: do you know of any reason why your sponsors wouldn't want to give you an endorsement? Anything they have been unhappy about? | 19:18 |
GunnarHj | rbasak: No, I'm not aware of any such reason. AFAIK they are reasonably happy with my performance. I felt this was in effect similar to extending a packageset, so for convenience reasons... That's all. | 19:19 |
rbasak | Thanks. That makes me wonder actually. Does this set of packages form a packageset? Should we be creating one instead? | 19:20 |
rbasak | It seems to me that it generally is "language support". Is this accurate? | 19:21 |
GunnarHj | rbasak: I have thought the same. Not easy to define a packageset for l10n/i18n though... | 19:21 |
GunnarHj | rbasak: Yes, it's "language support" in a sense. | 19:21 |
rbasak | Why is "l10n/i18n" not a good description? :) | 19:21 |
GunnarHj | rbasak: Sure, ok for me... | 19:22 |
rbasak | Does accountsservice and/or ubuntu-docs fit into this as well? I imagine the latter does? What about accountsservice? | 19:22 |
GunnarHj | rbasak: The part of accountsservice I'm dealing with is closely related to language-selector. (ubuntu-docs does not fit IMO.) | 19:23 |
rbasak | OK, thanks. | 19:24 |
rbasak | I'm interested in the DMB elders' views on this. Should we create a i18n packageset? | 19:25 |
* sil2100 is a newbie here | 19:25 | |
sil2100 | bdmurray: ^? | 19:25 |
bdmurray | I don't think there is a need at this point in time. | 19:25 |
micahg | if we think people might be interested in such a thing, it sounds fine | 19:25 |
GunnarHj | Currently I'd proably be the only member. | 19:26 |
bdmurray | In which case I'd wait for another member. | 19:26 |
rbasak | OK | 19:26 |
sil2100 | Maybe let's think about it next time | 19:26 |
bdmurray | Or look for other devs w/ PPU for some of those packages. | 19:26 |
sil2100 | An action item for this maybe? Could someone check this? | 19:27 |
sil2100 | Does anyone want to pick up checking other devs with the same/similar sets of packages? | 19:28 |
bdmurray | I will | 19:28 |
sil2100 | #action bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset | 19:29 |
meetingology | ACTION: bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset | 19:29 |
sil2100 | Ok, any other questions? | 19:29 |
sil2100 | Let's vote in that case | 19:31 |
sil2100 | #vote | 19:32 |
meetingology | Please vote on: | 19:32 |
meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:32 |
sil2100 | Sorry, cat pressed enter too soon... | 19:32 |
sil2100 | #endvote | 19:32 |
meetingology | No vote in progress | 19:32 |
rbasak | Interesting. | 19:32 |
rbasak | Is this Perl "empty string vs. undef"? | 19:33 |
sil2100 | #vote Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request | 19:33 |
meetingology | Please vote on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request | 19:33 |
meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 19:33 |
bdmurray | +1 | 19:34 |
meetingology | +1 received from bdmurray | 19:34 |
sil2100 | +1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement) | 19:34 |
meetingology | +1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement) received from sil2100 | 19:34 |
rbasak | +1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements | 19:35 |
meetingology | +1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements received from rbasak | 19:35 |
rbasak | As a new DMB member I found it pretty hard without endorsements though, so I'm not sure about how I feel about this in principle. GunnarHj's previous endorsements were very strong though so I have little doubt about it this time. | 19:36 |
rbasak | BenC? micahg? | 19:36 |
BenC | +1 | 19:36 |
meetingology | +1 received from BenC | 19:36 |
bdmurray | I guess I've seen a lot of his work as an SRU team member. | 19:37 |
sil2100 | I suppose the packages were similar 'in nature' to the ones previously in his PPU rights so I guess this time it seemed to be natural and ok | 19:37 |
BenC | I found enough paper trail to be comfortable. | 19:37 |
micahg | +0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past | 19:37 |
meetingology | +0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past received from micahg | 19:37 |
* BenC reviewed it this morning | 19:38 | |
sil2100 | #endvote | 19:38 |
meetingology | Voting ended on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request | 19:38 |
meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 19:38 |
meetingology | Motion carried | 19:38 |
sil2100 | GunnarHj: congratulations! | 19:38 |
GunnarHj | Thanks for the showed confidence! :) | 19:38 |
sil2100 | I never did this before, who can actually do the permission changes in this case? | 19:38 |
rbasak | GunnarHj: thank you for looking after these packages for Ubuntu | 19:38 |
sil2100 | I suppose I could do this as well but I would have to be instructed | 19:39 |
rbasak | edit-acl from ubuntu-archive-tools | 19:39 |
sil2100 | Ok, let me put that on my list in that case | 19:39 |
rbasak | I haven't actually used it to change permissions yet but I think I understand it now. | 19:39 |
rbasak | I'm happy to take the action if you like, so I can learn the ropes. | 19:39 |
sil2100 | rbasak: ok, so you go first, I'll pick it up next time in that case | 19:40 |
sil2100 | rbasak: thanks! | 19:40 |
rbasak | ack | 19:40 |
sil2100 | Ok, so I guess that's it for this topic, nothing more on the agenda | 19:40 |
sil2100 | #topic AOB | 19:40 |
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rbasak | sil2100: set me an #action please? | 19:41 |
sil2100 | Ah, right! | 19:41 |
rbasak | sil2100: also a carry over for cyphermox I guess. | 19:41 |
sil2100 | #action rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj | 19:41 |
meetingology | ACTION: rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj | 19:41 |
bdmurray | I don't see ubuntu-mate here either fwiw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu_Developers_.28from_delegated_teams.29 | 19:41 |
sil2100 | #action cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions | 19:41 |
meetingology | ACTION: cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions | 19:41 |
sil2100 | Ok, any other business? | 19:42 |
bdmurray | I wonder if that wiki page should be updated to include ubuntu-mate-dev | 19:43 |
rbasak | I assumed that would be for cyphermox to do when he looks at creating the packageset? | 19:43 |
bdmurray | Ah, fair enough. | 19:44 |
sil2100 | btw. I saw "Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders (Launchpad: ~ubuntu-utouch-dev)" which doesn't exist apparently | 19:44 |
sil2100 | Does anyone know why is it listed there? Was that supposed to be for ubuntu-touch or for some utouch packages that we don't have anymore? | 19:44 |
sil2100 | I wonder if there are more items that do not exist anymore right now | 19:45 |
bdmurray | sil2100: You should check ;-) | 19:46 |
sil2100 | Ok, if that's a sensible action item let me add that for myself ;) | 19:47 |
sil2100 | #action sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent | 19:48 |
meetingology | ACTION: sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent | 19:48 |
sil2100 | Right, anything else? | 19:48 |
rbasak | fonts-* is a really big list | 19:48 |
rbasak | Is that OK? | 19:48 |
rbasak | It surprises me, I just wanted to check if it was just me | 19:49 |
rbasak | http://paste.ubuntu.com/16642048/ | 19:49 |
rbasak | The other expansions are as I'd expect. | 19:50 |
rbasak | For fonts-* would it worth creating a packageset called "fonts-*" just to make it a little more manageable? | 19:51 |
sil2100 | hm, indeed a huge list | 19:52 |
rbasak | If nobody knows I can take it to the list. | 19:52 |
sil2100 | That idea seems worth considerating | 19:52 |
rbasak | OK I'll take it to the list. | 19:53 |
sil2100 | Ok | 19:53 |
GunnarHj | As regards fonts-*: Sure, it's long. And probably there is no reason to touch most of them in Ubuntu (synced from Debian). But it's hard to anticipate when there is a need... | 19:53 |
rbasak | GunnarHj: sure - looking at your upload history I think it makes little sense to give you PPU to just what you've touched, since next time it's likely to be another and they presumably all work the same way. | 19:54 |
rbasak | So I support giving you upload rights to it all, just wondering how technically to do it such that it remains manageable for us. | 19:55 |
rbasak | I'll take it to the list. | 19:55 |
sil2100 | If there are no other items, let's finish today's meeting and discuss the fonts-* packageset on the ML | 19:55 |
sil2100 | Assuming we're good to finish up | 19:56 |
sil2100 | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
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meetingology | Meeting ended Mon May 23 19:56:43 2016 UTC. | 19:56 |
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sil2100 | Thanks everyone! | 19:56 |
rbasak | Thank you sil2100 for chairing. | 19:56 |
sil2100 | I'll update the agenda, next chair: cyphermox I suppose? | 19:57 |
rbasak | Whoever is next on the list | 19:58 |
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