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tyhicks#startmeeting16:39
meetingologyMeeting started Mon May 23 16:39:44 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:39
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tyhicksThe meeting agenda can be found at:16:39
tyhicks[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting16:39
tyhicks[TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report16:39
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tyhicksjdstrand: you're up16:39
jdstrandhello16:40
jdstrandI'm focused on snappy this week16:40
jdstrandspecifically, I'm working on more sdoc policy updates, policy recompiles for apparmor upgrades on snappy and sprint outcomes16:40
jdstrandtyhicks: I have a question on seccomp arg filtering. do you plan to review that this week? if not, I need to do an SRU for the ecryptfs denial in the launcher and will work on that. if so, I'll bundle together and work on that16:41
jdstrandin addition, I need to followup on the click-apparmor SRU16:42
tyhicksjdstrand: I do plan to review it this week16:43
jdstrandok, thanks16:43
jdstrandthen I'll also be doing the second part of that :)16:43
jdstrandmdes laur is out, so, sbeattie, you're up16:44
sbeattieI'm in the happy place this week16:44
sbeattieI'm working on getting the glibc updates out this week16:45
sbeattieI need to get back at looking at some of the build failures in yakkety caused by enabling pie16:45
sbeattieI'll probably try to pick up another update in the background this week, since our backlog is long16:46
sbeattieI also need to see where we're at with upstream apparmor on some things, whether we can release 2.11 and pull that into yakkety.16:47
sbeattieThat's probably it for me. tyhicks?16:47
tyhicksI'm doing CVE triage this week16:47
tyhicksotherwise, I'm mostly focused on snappy16:47
tyhicksI'm fixing and SRUing bug #1584069 in support of bug #158325916:48
ubottubug 1584069 in AppArmor "change_profile rules need a modifier to allow non-secureexec transitions" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158406916:48
ubottubug 1583259 in Snappy Launcher "Snappy needs to influence environment variables in applications " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158325916:48
tyhicksthen I'll do some ubuntu-core-launcher MP reviews (including seccomp arg filtering)16:48
tyhicksand then I'll be making the ubuntu-core-launcher changes for bug #158278116:49
ubottubug 1582781 in Snappy "snapd needs a way to control mount points " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158278116:49
tyhicksthat's it for me16:49
tyhicksI don't see jj so you're up, sarnold16:49
* jjohansen is here16:49
tyhicksah16:49
tyhicksjjohansen: go ahead16:49
jjohansenI am working on apparmor this week16:50
jjohansenI have a user who has volunteered to run a test kernel for bug  1581990 which I think is the same as 157913516:51
ubottubug 1581990 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "Profile reload leads to kernel NULL pointer dereference" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158199016:51
jjohansenso hopefully I can make some progress on it16:51
jdstrandtyhicks: note that zyga is updating the launcher for 'snap-run' and the project is moving and possibly renamed16:51
* jdstrand gets link16:51
jjohansenbug 157913516:52
ubottubug 1579135 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "kernel BUG on snap disconnect from within a snap" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157913516:52
jdstrandtyhicks: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-run/pull/1/files16:53
jjohansenI found a couple more bugs while auditing the code looking a fix for that and I need to clean those up a bit16:53
jjohansenI need to finish reviewing the gsettings stuff and discuss that this week16:54
tyhicksjdstrand: thanks16:54
jdstrandtyhicks: I'm discussing how thi simpacts us in #snappy16:54
jjohansenI expect to be reviewing some patches from tyhicks, and I'll be working on fixing up more stacking issues16:55
tyhicksjjohansen: can you start putting together a list of bug links for stacking issues that need to be fixed by 16.04.1 so that we can allow unpriv policy loads?16:56
jjohansentyhicks: sure16:56
tyhicksthanks16:56
jjohansenthats it for me sarnold16:57
sarnoldI'm on bug triage this week; I'm working on getting the imagemagick updates out the door; I may also do some smallsih apparmor work for distraction, some wiki editing or patch reviews16:57
sarnoldthat's it for me, chrisccoulson?16:57
chrisccoulsonNo updates planned for me this week, although I'll probably be spending some time preparing the next oxide release (1.15)16:58
chrisccoulsonI also need to figure out what we're going to do with 32-bit builds, given that launchpad has no support for cross-compiling packages (confirmed by infinity last week)16:59
chrisccoulsonOther than that, I'll be working through bugs as usual16:59
chrisccoulsonthat's me done16:59
tyhickschrisccoulson: is the GN transition done?17:01
chrisccoulsontyhicks, no, as usual things seem to have slipped a bit upstream, taking the pressure off. So I used that to get some other stuff done last week17:02
chrisccoulson(I'm still working on it)17:02
tyhicksok, thanks17:02
tyhicksglad you got some breathing room there17:02
tyhicks[TOPIC] Highlighted packages17:03
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tyhicksThe Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.17:03
tyhicksSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.17:03
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cakephp.html17:03
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/virtualbox.html17:03
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/aria2.html17:03
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-sabredav.html17:03
tyhickshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libiptables-parse-perl.html17:03
tyhicks[TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions17:03
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tyhicksDoes anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?17:03
tyhicksjdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!17:05
tyhicks#endmeeting17:05
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon May 23 17:05:38 2016 UTC.17:05
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-23-16.39.moin.txt17:05
jjohansenthanks tyhicks17:05
jdstrandtyhicks: thanks! :)17:05
sbeattietyhicks: thanks!17:06
sarnoldthanks tyhicks :)17:09
bdmurraysil2100: I think infinity and cyphermox are out today...19:00
sil2100o/19:01
rbasako/19:01
sil2100hm, let's see if we'll have a quorum19:01
rbasakIf the only application is GunnarHj's PPU extension, I'm not sure if we even need a quorum.19:02
* rbasak checks19:02
sil2100Oh, we don't? I though any vote-related decision would require a quorum - but I'm new to all this19:03
rbasakI can't find a reference, still looking.19:04
rbasakI thought that some items needed a +1 only from one DMB member, such as expanding an existing packageset. Not sure about PPU.19:05
rbasakWell, I can't find a reference to say that we don't, so let's assume that we need quorum.19:06
rbasakIs anyone else here?19:06
bdmurrayI am19:06
sil2100Ok, so still 3 people19:07
rbasakGunnarHj: are you here?19:07
GunnarHjYes.19:07
rbasakOK, let's see if we can find enough DMB people.19:07
sil2100What was that command to ping all DMB members?19:07
sil2100Ah, you did that just now19:07
sil2100:)19:07
rbasakWe could continue and if unanimous then ask for one more vote by email.19:08
sil2100Ok, let me start the meeting then19:09
sil2100#startmeeting DMB meeting19:09
meetingologyMeeting started Mon May 23 19:09:24 2016 UTC.  The chair is sil2100. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:09
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micahgo/ I"m kinda here, but otp19:09
BenCo/19:09
sil2100#topic Review of previous action items19:09
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sil2100o/19:09
BenCAppologies for the tardiness19:09
sil2100We have a quorum then19:09
sil2100Ok, so action items:19:10
sil2100cyphremox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions19:10
sil2100Not sure if that happened ^ ?19:10
sil2100cyphermox is not around but anyone else knows maybe?19:10
rbasakI could try asking Launchpad but no point holding the meeting up for that.19:10
sil2100Ok, let's continue then, we can follow up on that later indeed19:11
sil2100#topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications19:11
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sil2100#subtopic GunnarHj19:11
bdmurrayI thought there was a question about whether or not he needed new endorsements.19:12
sil2100So the topic in mention is GunnarHj's request to extend his PPU rights to more packages19:12
sil2100Without a new batch of endorsements19:12
GunnarHjAs regards endorsements, dholbach entered one on my old applications.19:13
sil2100bdmurray: you think we should have a separate vote for that, or just treat it as part of the vote for PPU extension?19:13
GunnarHjhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GunnarHj/PerPackageUploaderApplication19:13
sil2100Any opinions regarding our current situation ^ ?19:16
bdmurraysil2100: I guess voting, I don't think we have a policy for extending PPU uploads.19:16
rbasaksil2100: IMHO it's fine without a separate vote. If somebody isn't happy because of a desire to see endorsements, then that can be made clear in a single vote.19:16
sil2100Right, I agree with rbasak's view here as well19:16
bdmurrayif it were someone applying for core dev we would want to see endorsements.19:16
sil2100Right19:17
bdmurraynot just reuse their motu ones.19:17
sil2100Any members have questions to GunnarHj before we start the vote?19:17
sil2100The extended package set can be found here:19:17
sil2100https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-May/000924.html19:17
rbasakYes19:17
rbasakGunnarHj: as you're applying without endorsements, I feel I have to ask: do you know of any reason why your sponsors wouldn't want to give you an endorsement? Anything they have been unhappy about?19:18
GunnarHjrbasak: No, I'm not aware of any such reason. AFAIK they are reasonably happy with my performance. I felt this was in effect similar to extending a packageset, so for convenience reasons... That's all.19:19
rbasakThanks. That makes me wonder actually. Does this set of packages form a packageset? Should we be creating one instead?19:20
rbasakIt seems to me that it generally is "language support". Is this accurate?19:21
GunnarHjrbasak: I have thought the same. Not easy to define a packageset for l10n/i18n though...19:21
GunnarHjrbasak: Yes, it's "language support" in a sense.19:21
rbasakWhy is "l10n/i18n" not a good description? :)19:21
GunnarHjrbasak: Sure, ok for me...19:22
rbasakDoes accountsservice and/or ubuntu-docs fit into this as well? I imagine the latter does? What about accountsservice?19:22
GunnarHjrbasak: The part of accountsservice I'm dealing with is closely related to language-selector. (ubuntu-docs does not fit IMO.)19:23
rbasakOK, thanks.19:24
rbasakI'm interested in the DMB elders' views on this. Should we create a i18n packageset?19:25
* sil2100 is a newbie here19:25
sil2100bdmurray: ^?19:25
bdmurrayI don't think there is a need at this point in time.19:25
micahgif we think people might be interested in such a thing, it sounds fine19:25
GunnarHjCurrently I'd proably be the only member.19:26
bdmurrayIn which case I'd wait for another member.19:26
rbasakOK19:26
sil2100Maybe let's think about it next time19:26
bdmurrayOr look for other devs w/ PPU for some of those packages.19:26
sil2100An action item for this maybe? Could someone check this?19:27
sil2100Does anyone want to pick up checking other devs with the same/similar sets of packages?19:28
bdmurrayI will19:28
sil2100#action bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset19:29
meetingologyACTION: bdmurray to check for other PPU devs with similar packages to the proposed 'language support' packageset19:29
sil2100Ok, any other questions?19:29
sil2100Let's vote in that case19:31
sil2100#vote19:32
meetingologyPlease vote on:19:32
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:32
sil2100Sorry, cat pressed enter too soon...19:32
sil2100#endvote19:32
meetingologyNo vote in progress19:32
rbasakInteresting.19:32
rbasakIs this Perl "empty string vs. undef"?19:33
sil2100#vote Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request19:33
meetingologyPlease vote on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request19:33
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)19:33
bdmurray+119:34
meetingology+1 received from bdmurray19:34
sil2100+1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement)19:34
meetingology+1 (I suppose his work on the requested packages shows sufficient knowledge and involvement) received from sil210019:34
rbasak+1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements19:35
meetingology+1 on the strength and nature of previous endorsements received from rbasak19:35
rbasakAs a new DMB member I found it pretty hard without endorsements though, so I'm not sure about how I feel about this in principle. GunnarHj's previous endorsements were very strong though so I have little doubt about it this time.19:36
rbasakBenC? micahg?19:36
BenC+119:36
meetingology+1 received from BenC19:36
bdmurrayI guess I've seen a lot of his work as an SRU team member.19:37
sil2100I suppose the packages were similar 'in nature' to the ones previously in his PPU rights so I guess this time it seemed to be natural and ok19:37
BenCI found enough paper trail to be comfortable.19:37
micahg+0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past19:37
meetingology+0 I unfortunately didn't have time to review, but have seen good work in the past received from micahg19:37
* BenC reviewed it this morning19:38
sil2100#endvote19:38
meetingologyVoting ended on: Gunnar Hjalmarsson on extending PPU packages as per request19:38
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:119:38
meetingologyMotion carried19:38
sil2100GunnarHj: congratulations!19:38
GunnarHjThanks for the showed confidence! :)19:38
sil2100I never did this before, who can actually do the permission changes in this case?19:38
rbasakGunnarHj: thank you for looking after these packages for Ubuntu19:38
sil2100I suppose I could do this as well but I would have to be instructed19:39
rbasakedit-acl from ubuntu-archive-tools19:39
sil2100Ok, let me put that on my list in that case19:39
rbasakI haven't actually used it to change permissions yet but I think I understand it now.19:39
rbasakI'm happy to take the action if you like, so I can learn the ropes.19:39
sil2100rbasak: ok, so you go first, I'll pick it up next time in that case19:40
sil2100rbasak: thanks!19:40
rbasakack19:40
sil2100Ok, so I guess that's it for this topic, nothing more on the agenda19:40
sil2100#topic AOB19:40
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rbasaksil2100: set me an #action please?19:41
sil2100Ah, right!19:41
rbasaksil2100: also a carry over for cyphermox I guess.19:41
sil2100#action rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj19:41
meetingologyACTION: rbasak to make permission changes for new PPU packages for GunnarHj19:41
bdmurrayI don't see ubuntu-mate here either fwiw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers#Ubuntu_Developers_.28from_delegated_teams.2919:41
sil2100#action cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions19:41
meetingologyACTION: cyphermox Update Mate packages per Iain Laney's suggestions19:41
sil2100Ok, any other business?19:42
bdmurrayI wonder if that wiki page should be updated to include ubuntu-mate-dev19:43
rbasakI assumed that would be for cyphermox to do when he looks at creating the packageset?19:43
bdmurrayAh, fair enough.19:44
sil2100btw. I saw "Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders (Launchpad: ~ubuntu-utouch-dev)" which doesn't exist apparently19:44
sil2100Does anyone know why is it listed there? Was that supposed to be for ubuntu-touch or for some utouch packages that we don't have anymore?19:44
sil2100I wonder if there are more items that do not exist anymore right now19:45
bdmurraysil2100: You should check ;-)19:46
sil2100Ok, if that's a sensible action item let me add that for myself ;)19:47
sil2100#action sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent19:48
meetingologyACTION: sil2100 to check the state of Ubuntu uTouch Uploaders and any other teams that might be non-existent19:48
sil2100Right, anything else?19:48
rbasakfonts-* is a really big list19:48
rbasakIs that OK?19:48
rbasakIt surprises me, I just wanted to check if it was just me19:49
rbasakhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/16642048/19:49
rbasakThe other expansions are as I'd expect.19:50
rbasakFor fonts-* would it worth creating a packageset called "fonts-*" just to make it a little more manageable?19:51
sil2100hm, indeed a huge list19:52
rbasakIf nobody knows I can take it to the list.19:52
sil2100That idea seems worth considerating19:52
rbasakOK I'll take it to the list.19:53
sil2100Ok19:53
GunnarHjAs regards fonts-*: Sure, it's long. And probably there is no reason to touch most of them in Ubuntu (synced from Debian). But it's hard to anticipate when there is a need...19:53
rbasakGunnarHj: sure - looking at your upload history I think it makes little sense to give you PPU to just what you've touched, since next time it's likely to be another and they presumably all work the same way.19:54
rbasakSo I support giving you upload rights to it all, just wondering how technically to do it such that it remains manageable for us.19:55
rbasakI'll take it to the list.19:55
sil2100If there are no other items, let's finish today's meeting and discuss the fonts-* packageset on the ML19:55
sil2100Assuming we're good to finish up19:56
sil2100#endmeeting19:56
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon May 23 19:56:43 2016 UTC.19:56
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sil2100Thanks everyone!19:56
rbasakThank you sil2100 for chairing.19:56
sil2100I'll update the agenda, next chair: cyphermox I suppose?19:57
rbasakWhoever is next on the list19:58
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