[00:00] <ahoneybun> http://usefoss.com/index.php/2016/05/20/ubuntu-touch-on-a-tablet-its-a-n7-not-a-m10/
[10:03] <ogra_> morphis, is there any chance that my turbo will support airtame or do i need to buy another dongle
[10:03] <morphis> ogra_: no, airtame isn't supported as long as it doesn't support miracast
[10:04] <morphis> ogra_: at best you buy the Microsoft Wireless Display dongle
[10:04] <ogra_> it dooes miracast
[10:04] <ogra_> (screen mirroring)
[10:04] <ogra_> might be it plugs something on top though
[10:04] <morphis> ogra_: from what I know airtame does different thigns and not Miracast
[10:05] <morphis> they have their own protocol
[10:05] <ogra_> i'm pretty sure they base on miracast ... but might have extended it
[10:05] <ogra_> anyway, if there is no chance it gets supported i'll get another dongle
[10:13]  * brunch875 understood mirscreencast when reading miracast
[10:49] <crs___> morphis: what is wrong with the cheaper, non-microsoft miracast dongles?
[10:49] <morphis> crs___: nothing, its just that nobody tested them yet with Ubuntu :-)
[10:49] <morphis> crs___: even if they support Miracast there might be small problems
[10:51] <crs___> morphis: ok, thanks. maybe i will try a cheap one ;)
[10:51] <morphis> crs___: do that, however several sources on the internet claim the MS one is the fastest available one
[10:56] <crs___> morphis: is there a lag noticeable when moving the mouse pointer?
[10:57] <morphis> crs___: we are around 100-150ms now
[10:57] <morphis> however depending on your environment
[10:57] <morphis> as this is still WiFi
[10:57] <crs___> morphis: that might be better than my cheap mhd-cable for nexus4
[10:57] <morphis> crs___: you still notice a very small lag but it is clearly usable
[10:57] <crs___> morphis: i can feel the lag with it
[10:58] <morphis> crs___: and depends also how much you want to feel a lag :-)
[11:33] <lauri> Hi again, got my Meizu
[11:33] <lauri> the new one :)
[11:34] <lauri> is there going ot be 16.04 based update available for the device?
[11:35] <ogra_> lauri, probably in 6 months or so
[11:35] <lauri> so there will be updates, right :D
[11:35] <ogra_> there are updates every 6 weeks
[11:36] <lauri> Considering all the mess that's going on in the phone industry I must say good job guys :)
[11:36] <lauri> And thanks for convenient sudo access :D
[11:36] <ogra_> the underlying system is still 15.04 based and uses upstart a lot ... these bits need porting to 16.04 and systemd
[11:37] <ogra_> once that is all done and tested it will become the default
[11:49] <DieGNU> Hi All! Someone knows if I can install Ubuntu Phone in my Huawei Ascend G6-L11
[11:49] <DieGNU> ?
[11:53] <ogra_> DieGNU, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices i fear you would have to do a full port ...
[11:54] <ogra_> you might want to talk to the ubports guys (i.e. mariogrip) ... https://ubports.com/
[11:54] <ogra_> i know there has been some work to build some generic tool that makes porting easier
[12:44] <lauri> Is there a video playback application available?
[12:46] <OerHeks> lauri, lots of them, https://uappexplorer.com/apps?category=media-video
[13:05] <mardy_> dobey: hi! Ping about https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntuone-credentials/default-token-name/+merge/293234 and https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntuone-credentials/signon-plugin-part2/+merge/293217
[13:55] <mardy_> mpt: the "thing" in bug 1573536, should it be a dialog or a fullscreen window (like in the account creation)?
[13:59] <mardy_> Mirv: hi! Will you land this yourself, or should we put it into one of our siloes? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts/stop_depending_on_transitional_packages/+merge/295051
[14:01] <Mirv> mardy_: from comment in the bug "Since this does not require much brain power, I can provide branches. Just take care of adding them to your landings.", but thanks I added another note at the top of the description
[14:01] <Mirv> mardy_: I wouldn't want to tip-toe on other people's landings so just include it in your next one
[14:14] <mardy_> Mirv: excellent, thanks
[14:30] <dobey> mardy_: ci train blew up with the triple landing stuff, so trying to get that dealt with, and then i can poke again, but i really think we need to get the UX issues there resolved first, so that the plug-in can provide the UI for the re-authentication bits
[14:32] <mardy_> dobey: OK; but the latter part, let's keep it for later (if even it's needed), or we'll never land it (it's a big change for OA)
[14:33] <mardy_> dobey: since the U1 plugin is basically the only user for this dialog, we can directly design it as you like in OA anyway
[14:34] <dobey> mardy_: as i discussed with mpt last week, i think it's needed to have the log-in and re-authentication UI be pretty much the same. there's no reason that U1 should be different here.
[14:34] <mardy_> dobey: that's not an issue, we can make them look nearly identical
[14:36] <dobey> mardy_: it is an issue. i don't think we should be making generic UI look specific to U1
[14:36] <dobey> and U1 shouldn't be using generic UI
[14:36] <dobey> this is something the account plug-ins should provide the UI for
[14:38] <mardy_> dobey: I don't see a lot of things specific to it, it's just username + password + 2fa
[14:39] <dobey> mardy_: then why do all the OAuth based accounts not just pop up a generic username/password dialog?
[14:39] <dobey> instead of the web sites
[14:41] <davmor2> dobey: because it annoys you and we all like to annoy you?
[14:41] <mardy_> dobey: what OA offers now, is two kind of UIs: one is a webview (used by OA), the other is a configurable password dialog
[14:42] <mardy_> dobey: imagine, back in Nokia times this dialog was even handling captcha requests
[14:42] <mardy_> dobey: now we don't have any account requiring that, but in theory it should work
[14:42] <dobey> well we aren't nokia
[14:42] <mardy_> dobey: just to say, that this thing has been planned to be flexible since day 1
[14:43] <dobey> except it doesn't allow the account plug-ins to provide their own UI
[14:44] <mardy_> dobey: true, and until I hit my head on a wall while trying to implement the desired UI, it won't have it
[14:45] <mardy_> dobey: that said, I *could* hit a wall, but why give up before trying?
[14:45] <dobey> it's not about giving up
[14:45] <dobey> it's about not spreading the UI for an account over N projects
[14:51] <mardy_> dobey: that's a point. But a little one, given that this UI won't change often, and it's rather simple
[14:53] <dobey> how often you expect something to change is not a good enough reason to not do something the right way
[14:57] <mardy_> dobey: the other point is, that we need to have this kind of UI in OA anyways (owncloud will use it, as well as the generic email accounts for Dekko)
[14:59] <dobey> well i'm not talking about generic user/pass accounts. i'm talking about a branded core faeture of our platform
[15:02] <mardy_> dobey: maybe, maybe. Just please don't block on this, let's leave it for discussion after we land the thing, or we'll never do it
[15:02] <dobey> mardy_: if we don't block, it'll certainly never get done
[15:04] <mardy_> dobey: it doesn't have to, it's a minor thing, and it's not even in your project
[15:05] <dobey> mardy_: part of it would be in u1-credentials, as i would surely expect we need to change the QML a bit to handle things a little differently fron a new login
[15:12] <alecu> dobey: is u1creds prompting for a captcha when the server has that enabled?
[15:12] <dobey> alecu: no, v2 API doesn't use captchas
[15:13] <alecu> dobey: I recall the server can enable that when there's a spike in account creations
[15:14] <dobey> alecu: good luck trying to create new accounts fast enough via the online-accounts UI to force that to happen, if so
[15:15] <alecu> dobey: this is about bots and the web APi
[15:17] <dobey> alecu: i am pretty certain there is no captcha ever in the sso v2 REST API we use
[15:18] <dobey> one of the major points of the v2 API was so we could avoid having to deal with captchas in the client
[15:18] <dobey> anyway, i need to get lunch
[15:22] <mpt> mardy_, how does your generic UI handle password reset?
[15:22] <mpt> (sorry, I was in a meeting)
[15:28] <Jeena> Hi, so someone broke in into my flat and stole my computer, my cammera and my Jolla phone. I don't want a new Jolla because it is not as open as I thought, now I want to have a Ubuntu Touch phone. But I want a reosonable small one, like the Jolla, like 3.5" or 4". Is there something like that to buy out there?
[15:29] <popey> Sorry to hear of your theft.
[15:29] <Jeena> thanks
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> Jeena: BQ 4.5 is nice
[15:34] <Jeena>  £129 I kind of fear that the CPU will be really slow for such a pricj
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> Jeena: that bq is pretty neat to work with actually
[15:36] <Jeena> ok cool I'll check out some reviews on youtube for it
[15:37] <mcphail> Jeena: I've run both Ubuntu and Android on that phone. The processor is fast enough for android to run very well. Ubuntu is a little sluggish, but hopefully some of the current optimisation work will improve that
[15:38] <Jeena> I like the sice at least, the Jolla size was so much nicer than the big Nexus 6 I had before that
[15:39] <mcphail> Jeena: the ubuntu UI needs enough screen space for gestures, but not too much to force you to use it 2 handed. I like the size of the bq4.5
[15:55] <morphis> popey: awesome video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QmUk2mFaCU !!
[15:57] <popey> thanks morphis
[15:58] <morphis> popey: feels good to have that work finally out in the public and you guys playing with it :-)
[15:58] <popey> \o/
[16:01] <morphis> popey: but you should use a BT or usb mouse :-)
[16:02] <brunch875> ...¡¡¡¿¿¿external display???!!!
[16:02] <popey> i will do another demo with it using a proper keyboard/mouse etc
[16:02] <popey> that was just a test to see if it worked
[16:02] <brunch875> Can the e4.5 do this sort of stuff?
[16:02]  * brunch875 is in awe
[16:02] <popey> was somewhat surprise (as you can tell) that it worked
[16:06] <morphis> brunch875: technically yes, but not implemented yet
[16:06] <brunch875> I see a little "External display" grayed out
[16:07] <morphis> brunch875: on your e 4.5?
[16:07] <brunch875> yea
[16:07] <brunch875> I'm on rc-proposed, though!
[16:08] <morphis> if
[16:08] <morphis> s/if/we have explicitly disabled that feature for any other device than the pro 5/
[16:10] <mcphail> popey: you got _another_ new device??!
[16:11] <popey> sorry
[16:12] <mcphail> Looks cool. Well done screencasting chaps and chapesses
[16:12] <ogra_> now we just need the hack to make the M10 a display for the pro5
[16:13] <mcphail> ogra_: turtles all the way down?
[16:13] <ogra_> :D
[16:13] <davmor2> popey: why were you surprised I tested it, of course it worked :P
[16:14] <davmor2> popey: if you click on text input fields it throws up the osk on the phone too
[17:00] <skay> has anyone here got keepassx working on the m10 tablet? https://askubuntu.com/questions/775601/how-can-i-get-a-working-keepassx-in-a-xenial-libertine-container-on-my-m10
[17:05] <dobey> skay: looks like it is crashing. is there a dump in /var/crash/ inside the container?
[17:06] <skay> dobey: I can't check at the moment, I don't have it set up. I'm away-from-attention. I'll check later and maybe update the post, or come back and see if you or someone can help
[17:19] <mimecar> hi
[17:22] <dobey> shalom
[18:06] <aquiles> Hii
[18:06] <mimecar> hi aquiles
[18:07] <aquiles> Isso found a way to sync contacts, calendar and files with owncloud
[18:08] <aquiles> I'm testing in my Ubuntu phone and works amazing well
[18:08] <aquiles> :)
[18:10] <aquiles> I change android by Ubuntu on my phone
[18:10] <mimecar> that is good
[18:10] <aquiles> One of my requests is to have access to the cloud
[18:11] <aquiles> Now I have that
[18:11] <mimecar> owncloud only, don't you?
[18:11] <aquiles> And I want to share
[18:12] <mimecar_> you can send a brief to mailing list
[18:12] <aquiles> I'm not a programmer but with some help I found a way
[18:13] <aquiles> Email me to canedo_cbt@sapo.pt and I send the files
[18:14] <mimecar_> do you know ubuntu phone mailing list?
[18:16] <aquiles> No
[18:16] <mimecar_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[18:16] <mimecar_> you can find questions, ubuntu touch development status...
[18:19] <aquiles>  thanks, I will email them
[18:20] <aquiles> I think that maybe can be important to Ubuntu phone team
[18:20] <aquiles> Regards
[18:20] <mimecar> can you use several remote calendars on calendar app?
[18:26] <aquiles> I just use one, I never test more than my own
[18:28] <aquiles> I take a picture with Ubuntu camera and she goes right away to my cloud account
[18:29] <aquiles> For me on my work its important to have setch feature
[18:29] <dobey> skay: btw, also make sure that you have ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay enabled and packages updated inside a xenial container
[18:30] <skay> dobey: ack. I think I have it but will check when I have a moment
[18:31] <aquiles> My personal contacts are on my owncloud synchronized with the contacts app
[18:31] <aquiles> And everything works great
[18:31] <dobey> mimecar: i think there are some bugs about that being worked on
[18:32] <mimecar> dobey, related with calendar app?
[18:36] <dobey> mimecar: yeah for multiple calendars support
[18:36] <mimecar> ok
[18:37] <mimecar> I use google calendars but I can use primary calendar only
[20:20] <peat-psuwit> Is there anything like BetterBatterStat on Ubuntu touch?
[20:28] <dobey> peat-psuwit: no idea what that is, but i don't think there's any way on an ubuntu phone for a confined app to get battery stats
[20:30] <peat-psuwit> dobey: Don't need to be app. I'm just finding what wakelock is keeping system from going to deep sleep.
[20:31] <dobey> peat-psuwit: cf "no idea what that is"
[20:46] <skay> dobey: would var/crash for a chroot be in ~/.cache/libertine-container/<name>/rootfs/var/crash? because there is no crash there.
[20:48] <dobey> skay: yes. hmm, maybe there isn't any apport happening for legacy apps then
[20:48] <dobey> skay: do you have the stable-phone-overlay PPA enabled in the container, with everything updated?
[20:50] <skay> dobey: how do I verify that?
[20:51] <dobey> skay: do you have xterm or something in the container?
[20:51] <skay> dobey: no, but should I be able to see apt sources in /path/to/rootfs/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? because that's empty
[20:52] <dobey> skay: yeah, you should have one for the PPA if it's enabled
[20:52] <skay> dobey: how would you normally add a ppa to a container?
[20:52] <dobey> skay: i'm not entirely sure how to use the libertine tools to do it
[20:53] <skay> dobey: me either. how bad would it be to add a list file by hand?
[20:53] <skay> I'd really like keepassx. typing my long garbage passwords by hand gets very old fast
[20:53] <dobey> skay: well the problem is you still need to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade after adding the PPA
[20:54] <skay> dobey: but that is not so bad, there is a command to do that from the libertine manage command
[20:54] <skay> dobey: but they don't have a command to add a ppa afaik
[20:54] <dobey> bregma: ^^ do you know how one can add the stable-phone-overlay PPA to a container with libertine, and then apt-get update/upgrade?
[20:54] <dobey> skay: oh?
[20:55] <skay> dobey: libertine-container-manage has update, which I assume does an apt-get update.
[20:55] <dobey> i have no idea
[20:55] <skay> dobey: oh foo, I thought I saw an upgrade command too
[20:56] <skay> dobey: forget what I said, my memory is fried. I will play around more later. I can maybe look at the libertine-container-manager code to see what it is doing
[20:57] <skay> dobey: I see there is a libertine-lxc-manager, but when I try to call it it hangs. is that a known issue? am I using it wrong?
[20:57] <skay> dobey: I am more familiar with lxc than with chroots
[20:57] <dobey> i don't know. i don't have an m10, and running X apps on my phone would be too painful to bother with, so i haven't tried
[20:58] <skay> dobey: oh indeed! I would hate that
[20:58] <skay> I have an old nexus 5 that is pretty big compared to other phones. I am curious why no one has ported it for that phone
[20:59] <skay> and I have an old nexus 7 tablet, but it is the earlier generation than the generation that works
[20:59] <dobey> what do you mean not ported to nexus 5?
[21:00] <dobey> nexus 5 is not big compared to the retail ubuntu phones. but i'll agree it is too big. though with no internal keyboard or mouse, and no working bluetooth, using legacy apps would be painful
[21:02] <dobey> but i've been using ubuntu only on my nexus 5 for over two years, so ubuntu has certainly been ported to it, albeit the device isn't an officially supported development device. the current images on ubports.com work quite well though
[21:03] <skay> dobey: oh! when I looked a while back (on hte wiki maybe) I didn't see it as suported
[21:04] <dobey> skay: if it currently has stock android 4.4 then flashing is a breeze
[21:05] <skay> dobey: not sure what it has at the moment. I've put cyanogenmod on some of my phones
[21:05] <skay> dobey: it may still be stock
[21:06] <skay> dobey: I think I'll try out flashing it later
[21:06] <skay> dobey: thanks for the tip
[21:06] <skay> dobey: do you know if the developers have enough phones to work with?
[21:07] <dobey> sure
[21:25] <taiebot> Add the weirdest bug today on rc-proposed and i think it was triggered  by a wifi notification that i cancelled (Asking me for a password for a network that i have already registered multiple time). After that the system went :-X. Every letter that i was typing seemed to delete itself so i could not enter my PIN to login. After clicking on the cross on the passcode page i managed to enter into unity 8 but i quickly realis
[22:07] <sebsebseb> hi