[02:00] <mappps> urgh
[02:00] <mappps> getting hot again
[02:00] <mappps> makes sleeping hard
[05:38] <knightwise> morning everyone
[05:45] <popey> morning knightwise
[08:13] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:20] <davmor2> SuperMatt: what makes you SuperMatt do you wear your pants on the outside and always wear a lycra top with SM on it :D
[08:24] <SuperMatt> davmor2: I couldn't possibly tell you any of my super secrets
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> do you at least have an arch nemesis? if not is there an application process? :-)
[08:35] <SuperMatt> Currently I have no arch nemesis, except my own laziness
[08:39] <bashrc> GNU/Morning
[08:39] <bashrc> here's a question: is there an image build system for Ubuntu Touch? Could I make my own flavour?
[08:56] <foobarry> anyone tried cloudready the chromebook alternative
[08:59] <SuperMatt> link?
[09:01] <SuperMatt> oh, it's like a chromium version of chromebook
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <SuperMatt> hmmm, cloudready might be able to breath some life in to my crummy laptop
[09:36] <Switches> Morning
[09:40] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:56] <davmor2> SuperMatt: your own laziness is always the biggest nemesis
[10:03] <SuperMatt> always has been and always will be
[10:10] <davmor2> SuperMatt: I mean I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony but then that would mean doing something so I'll leave it for tomorrow and blame JamesTait for every global disaster that happens ;)
[10:16] <SuperMatt> that sounds like a truely sensible plan
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> not enough sticks to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony
[10:18] <Switches> Wouldn't be sticks you needed.
[10:18] <zmoylan-pi> with nails in them of course
[10:18] <Switches> Well that might work
[10:19] <zmoylan-pi> though with a nick of switches you might be biased :-P
[10:19] <Switches> lol
[10:19] <popey> Have put a post-it note on the outside of the front door "Hello DHL! I am _in_! Please knock loudly :) "
[10:19] <Switches> pmsl
[10:19] <Switches> popey: Way to go!
[10:20] <popey> bet I still get carded
[10:20] <zmoylan-pi> today the illiterate dhl delivery guy is on your route, no i don't know how that works either :-)
[10:20] <Switches> Probably you know what they are like.. be thankful it's not Yodel
[10:22] <popey> true
[10:22]  * popey <3 DPD
[10:23] <Switches> Hmm this wallpaper in Fedora 24, is it the same one as 23? either way it's bloody horrible imo, bland as hell
[10:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Lucky Penny Day! 😃
[10:36] <zmoylan-pi> well as a euro user let me give you my 2c :-P
[10:37] <zmoylan-pi> except i can't as we now round to nearest 5c... haven't seen a 2c coin in a while
[10:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-rB0pHI9fU
[10:56] <knightwise> morning peeps
[10:57] <foobarry> tried out the cloudyready thing , the fan was a bit busy
[10:57] <foobarry> doesn't seem much lighter than , say elementary
[10:57] <knightwise> Tried Cublinux yet ?
[10:58] <foobarry> it does what it says on the tin though, its basically chromiumbook
[10:58] <foobarry> nope knightwise
[10:59] <popey> seen http://www.chromiumosforsbc.org/ ?
[11:00] <knightwise> give it a whirl, its also a pretty good attempt at a light and neat lin distro
[11:00] <knightwise> Oooh !
[11:00] <knightwise> now THIS i have to try out
[11:08] <foobarry> felt a bit dirty giving all my credentials to the computer
[11:08] <foobarry> at first login
[11:08] <foobarry> obviousl it's needed to get all your chrome plugins
[11:09] <foobarry> but never felt comfortable tying my login to an email account
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's a horrible idea in windows when it then constantly logs you in to your email account
[11:25] <selinuxium> Hi all, any perf gurus about? I have a server where the load is steadily climbing... According to perf swapper is using 87% of the cpu-clock
[11:26] <foobarry> what does top say?
[11:26] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: yet its a default if you run windows 10 (and not work with a local account
[11:26] <selinuxium> top is just cycling trough the usual.
[11:27] <foobarry> selinuxium: also use the < > keys to discover high memory usage
[11:27] <foobarry> from top
[11:28] <selinuxium> foobarry: there isn't high continuous CPU/MEM...
[11:28] <selinuxium> My load is only at 9.75 across 16 cores... But it is usually around 2
[11:29] <penguin42> selinuxium: If swapper is using a lot of cpu that's not good
[11:29] <penguin42> selinuxium: What does the line in top that starts with KiB Swap:   say ?
[11:30] <selinuxium> penguin42: KiB Swap: 16777212 total,   180548 used, 16596664 free. 13279320 cached Mem
[11:30] <zmoylan-pi> i decoupled one mates laptop from his email account and windows did an update and recoupled it.  he's not a fan.  just bought a chromebook ironically. but now he uses 2 email accounts one for chromebook and seperate one for his email which he keeps logged out when not in usee
[11:31] <penguin42> selinuxium: So you're using a little bit of swap, but not much -   you could use vmstat   to see if you're actually swapping a lot
[11:36] <selinuxium> penguin42: I will give it a go...
[11:38] <foobarry> iostat to check heavy io too
[11:39] <foobarry> knightwise: have you used sublinux?
[11:39] <foobarry> cub*
[11:39] <foobarry> whats the performance like?
[11:40] <knightwise> cub
[11:40] <knightwise> pretty sweet
[11:40] <knightwise> well made , and spiffy fast
[11:41] <foobarry> based on 14.04
[11:41] <knightwise> yep , i believe so
[11:43] <selinuxium> penguin42: foobarry: vmstat   ---->  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16631086/
[11:45] <selinuxium> penguin42: foobarry: iostat ----> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16631118/
[11:45] <Switches> Hmm that Cub Linux is what used to be Chromixium then. Downloading now :p
[11:48] <knightwise> Switches: correct
[11:48] <penguin42> selinuxium: Hmm ok, so you're not swapping
[11:48] <penguin42> selinuxium: Well, apparently you're machine is pretty much idle and twiddling it's thumbs with an occasional burst of IO
[11:49] <selinuxium> Which is what I thought...
[11:50] <knightwise> maybe its just another hard working member of a russian pornbot network ?
[11:51] <selinuxium> So... why the high load? Why is perf saying that swapper is using 87.67%... Driving me nuts!
[11:52] <penguin42> selinuxium: There have been bugs before with swapper going nuts
[11:55] <selinuxium> penguin42: Nope.... Well... 13 days ago I had a kernel oops. Other than that...
[11:57] <selinuxium> perf report ---> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16631192/
[11:58] <penguin42> selinuxium: Is this a VM or real hardware?
[11:58] <selinuxium> penguin42: VM
[11:58] <penguin42> hmm
[11:59] <penguin42> selinuxium: I wonder if this is just an artifact
[12:00] <penguin42> selinuxium: I think the native_safe_halt is just when the CPUs are going idle
[12:01] <selinuxium> penguin42: Possibly. :)
[12:02] <selinuxium> penguin42: I am still at a loss as to what is keeping the load average so high...
[12:02] <selinuxium> comparatively speaking
[12:02] <penguin42> selinuxium: try iostat -x
[12:03] <penguin42> selinuxium: load is 'processes trying to run' so not just CPU time, but also waiting for IO
[12:04] <selinuxium> penguin42: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16631275/
[12:05] <penguin42> that seems boring as well
[12:07] <selinuxium> Yup.
[12:07] <selinuxium> All just strange...
[12:07] <selinuxium> penguin42: Thanks for being an extra set of eyes...
[12:13] <Switches> Cub almost set up in a VM lets see what has changed since Chromixium (apart from the naming)
[12:30] <amunizp> bashrc: I disconnected before I saw an answer. Can a flavour of ubuntu touch be made? both techicslly and legally i Guess? what was the answer?
[12:35] <DJones> amunizp: Might be worth asking in #ubuntu-touch as well about that, although somebody like popey might know the answer to that
[12:36] <popey> amunizp: yes, there's already been another flavour
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> yes but popey has new toy to play with today... :-)
[12:37] <DJones> Just like the genie in aladin, mention his name & he appears
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> beetlejuice, beetlejuice...
[12:38]  * DJones raises on beetlejuice & mentions pinhead
[12:52] <davmor2> candyman, candyman, candymamppppgffffff
[12:58] <DJones> Jack Torrence from The Shining
[12:59] <foobarry> dilbert looks weird. i'm scared
[12:59] <DJones> So does the marshmellow man from from ghostbusters
[13:00] <davmor2> DJones: so do the various reincarnations of the joker and two face
[13:01] <DJones> Except for Jack Nicholson, he just looked silly
[13:01] <foobarry> guest artist week.
[13:02] <davmor2> DJones: silly, weird just different views of the same image
[13:02] <DJones> True
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> rebooted batman from 60s version
[13:04] <DJones> There's only ever been 2 tv films/episodes that have given me nightmares, one was an episode of space 1999 where something like a squid sucked people in and spat dry husks out, the other was Quatermass & the pit
[13:04] <DJones> I was under 12 at the time
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> quartermass was brilliant
[13:04] <foobarry> quatermsass me too
[13:05] <foobarry> and the shining
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> they should so reboot that
[13:05] <foobarry> and psycho 2
[13:05] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: Yeah, he could have been the new doctor who if given a chance/reboot
[13:05] <foobarry> i was about 7
[13:06] <penguin42> DJones: Oh that was just the locust-like people in Quatermass wasn't it
[13:06] <penguin42> DJones: Disappointingly there is no Hobb's lane station
[13:06] <DJones> Hmmh, just looked at the original release date for quatermass & the pitt, 1959, I must have been watching a repeat that was 15 years old
[13:07] <DJones> 1958....
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> there are a few quatermass films that i liked... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Quatermass
[13:09] <DJones> Oh the era or real british scifi/horror :)
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> wobbly sets and lots of tinfoil... still gave us daleks...
[13:09] <DJones> Kids today don't know the real meaning of scifi & horror and using your imagination
[13:10] <DJones> For most kids, horror is being chased by a zombie in minecraft
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> 50000 hammer horror movies can't be wrong :-)
[13:10] <penguin42> Dr Phibes anyone?
[13:12] <DJones> Out of interest, what would you say were the best scifi/horror stories when you were growing up, for me scifi would be e e doc smiths lensman series, and horror/fantasy would be brian lumley's necroscope series
[13:13] <zmoylan-pi> growing up my first sci fi was hitch hikers on tv, then the book.  then when i started reading sci fi stainless steel rat, asimov, heinlein, clarke
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> i reckon i still have read less than 1/2 of what asimov published...
[13:16] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I'm dyslexic so mine went films Starwars, star trek, tv lost in space, land of the giants, and then onto audio versions of war of the worlds, lord of the rings, hobbit etc
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> c4 on sundays had a lot to answer for :-)
[13:17] <davmor2> c4 man I'm going back to when there were only 3 channels
[13:17]  * penguin42 never read much; 2001 and Rendevous  were about the only things I read; HH, Space 1999, Star trek, lots of stuff
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> rendevous with rama... that first book...
[13:18] <knightwise> READ space 1999 ?
[13:18] <zmoylan-pi> i think there were a bunch of books
[13:18] <knightwise> loved rendez vous series, 2001 series,
[13:18] <knightwise> a lot of star trek and star wars (reading)
[13:18] <knightwise> didnt know they had novels on 1999
[13:19]  * knightwise is curious
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Space:_1999_books_and_other_media
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen them in second hand books shops.  never tried them...
[13:19] <davmor2> pffff books
[13:20] <diddledan> I spit on your books!
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> yesterday i found my first star trek 'lego' in second hand market... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/734445823656886276/photo/1
[13:32] <DJones> Shouldalso mention Heinlen etc as classic scifi
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> apart from starship troopers very unhollywooded
[13:35] <foobarry> my wife asked me to watch avengers..ultron on saturday for date night
[13:35] <DJones> Can't really think of a movie that has done justice to the original historical book
[13:35] <foobarry> overdosed on crummy cgi in the first five minutes but endured till the end
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> 2001 but that was made as the book was written... :-)
[13:39] <DJones> My favourite scifi movie is Silent Running
[13:39] <foobarry> davmor2: silence of the lambs?
[13:39] <foobarry> sorry i meant DJones
[13:40] <DJones> foobarry: Still think the original book was better
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> hewey dewey and louie... really brilliantly done for silent running.  have the dvd...
[13:40] <foobarry> shawsahnk?
[13:40] <foobarry> the fog?
[13:40] <DJones> Never seen that
[13:40] <davmor2> foobarry: is that I ate your books with some father beans and a nice chianti
[13:40] <foobarry> also we have "better" and "accurate"
[13:40] <foobarry> apocalypse now, bladerunner
[13:41] <DJones> Apocalyplse now the movie was good becvause of the music, bladerunner wasn't a patch on do android dream of electric sheep
[13:42] <DJones> (Excuse the spelling, starting to have warnings of a seizure)
[13:42] <diddledan> :-(
[13:42] <zmoylan-pi> 300 was a good make of the book... :-)
[13:42] <diddledan> DJones: be safe
[13:42] <foobarry> most things made from a stephen king short story
[13:43] <DJones> diddledan: Yep, brain scan & MRI over the weekend
[13:43] <foobarry> shawshank, the fog, misery,
[13:43] <foobarry> at the opposite end of the scale is catch22
[13:43] <foobarry> great book, schoking film
[13:43] <zmoylan-pi> i still like the film
[13:44] <DJones> Was misery the one where shehulk breaks ankles?
[13:44] <diddledan> yup
[13:44] <DJones> Hmmh,didnt enjoy that
[13:44] <diddledan> I winced when she hobbled him
[13:44] <foobarry> didn't enjoy it
[13:45] <diddledan> I really didn't see it coming
[13:45] <diddledan> I'm cringing right now thinking of it
[13:45] <DJones> Yep
[13:45] <foobarry> i had a disagreement with the size of hulk
[13:46] <foobarry> in avengers. he seems massive
[13:46] <foobarry> she said the 70s series didn't have massive hulk due to lack of cgi
[13:46] <foobarry> i need to check size of hulk in comics
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> for me hulk is 70s lou ferringo... ::walks away:: slow piano playing... :-)
[13:46] <foobarry> hmm he does seem big
[13:47] <diddledan> puny God
[13:47] <foobarry> http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/3/50/4bb639715543a/portrait_incredible.jpg
[13:47] <foobarry> he's not that big here though
[13:48] <foobarry> i actually hate comics(except beano)
[13:48] <zmoylan-pi> my comic was 2000ad... judge dredd, rogue trooper, stronium dog...
[14:11] <mappps> hi
[14:13] <diddledan> I can't print on Tuesdays: (legit!) bug #255161
[14:13] <lubotu3`> bug 248619 in file (Ubuntu Karmic) "duplicate for #255161 file incorrectly labeled as Erlang JAM file (OOo does not print on Tuesdays)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248619
[14:13] <penguin42> my favorite bug
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> reminiscient of the 500 mile email... http://www.unix.com/war-stories/238965-500-mile-email.html
[14:24] <diddledan> haha, that 500 mile email is class
[14:26] <zmoylan-pi> have you ever had to track down an intermittent bug like that, can drive you bonkers
[14:27] <penguin42> nod
[14:27] <penguin42> I'm well past bonkers having done a few nutty bugs
[14:28] <zmoylan-pi> you learn first don't trust what the user reports and log everything
[14:37] <diddledan> got someone in #wordpress who says "nothing has changed" .. "everything stopped working"
[14:37] <diddledan> somehow those two statements seem orthogonal to me
[14:38] <diddledan> did I use the right word there?
[14:38] <diddledan> contradictory?
[14:46] <penguin42> talking of weird bugs; there was one mentioned a few days ago; Windows 8.1 uses a lot of CPU if the username contains the word user
[14:49] <popey> hah
[14:49] <penguin42> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3053711
[14:51] <foobarry> good solutio
[14:51] <popey> brilliant
[14:52] <penguin42> I bet there were things like testuser or projectoruser or something
[14:56] <diddledan> is github experiencing problems right now?
[14:56] <diddledan> https://status.github.com/
[14:56] <diddledan> that suggests the error rate has shot-up
[15:08] <bashrc> github is down! To the lifeboats!
[15:10] <bashrc> oh it's back again, but certainly slower then usual
[15:11] <diddledan> app server availability has dropped from solid 100% to around 95% now
[15:12] <diddledan> I guess they did a roll-out of code in the past hour or so which caused issues
[15:12] <diddledan> they're reporting that there's a database issue now - which they're investigating
[16:16] <diddledan> why am I subscribed to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-defaults/+bug/1584089
[16:16] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 1584089 in llvm-toolchain-3.6 (Ubuntu) "Segfault of __thread varaible in Linux/ARM due to bug of LLVM ARM code generation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:19] <m0nkey_> k.. so my ubiquiti router just rebooted twice
[16:19] <diddledan> \o/
[16:19] <diddledan> m0nkey_: awesoem!
[16:19] <m0nkey_> not awesome
[16:19] <diddledan> m0nkey_: I haxxed j00 :-p
[16:20] <diddledan> </bare-faced lies>
[16:20] <penguin42> diddledan: Probably because you were subscribed to another bug that got duped to it
[16:20] <diddledan> there aren't any dupes that I can see
[16:21] <diddledan> the reporter is who subscribed me (according to the notification email)
[16:21] <daftykins> hmm not sure if these work in this old macbook i have: nt2gt64u8hd0bn-ad
[16:21] <daftykins> seems identical to http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/macbook-3%2C1/CT7932255
[19:11] <maukiwi> Hello everyone, I consider myself to be an advanced GNU/Linux user and I am going to do a fresh install of my ubuntu on my laptop. This laptop has no CD and I will use a usb to boot. I have UEFI enabled and I don't have windows on this machine. When I first installed this ubuntu it was 14.04 and now I have 16.04... but I don't think I am really having all that ubuntu 16 can give... my question is... to install 16.04 from a USB do I have to do any tric
[19:11] <maukiwi> k to get UEFI working properly or do I have a mature support by now? I am afraid to start the process and some how lose my files in the home partition due to an unexpected fail to install...
[19:26] <daftykins> maukiwi: EFI has been fine since 12.04 so no, no trick... just dd the ISO onto the drive and it'll be good. With regard to data, you should really have an off-system backup regardless of if you keep the same /home partition or not
[19:28] <maukiwi> Thank you daftykins, I will do.
[19:28] <daftykins> best to confirm it truly is a separate partition, too :)
[19:31] <maukiwi> Yes it is... I will do a off-system backup of that partition... I have been passing that partition from distro to distro over the time and now it is time to delete some .app folders with old configs... I will keep just what really matters
[19:31] <daftykins> *nod* i would probably copy everything off, then only bring back in what i need :)
[19:33] <maukiwi> Well I think that is safer... Ok, cheers !!!
[19:34] <daftykins> np
[19:36] <davmor2> maukiwi: uefi and secureboot are both supported on ubuntu on 64bit
[19:38] <davmor2> maukiwi: you can also use Disks and Ubuntu Usb Creator to create the bootable usb pen drive
[19:43] <maukiwi> The way I did back in 14.04 was dd the iso to the usb, Then entered in the BIOS (UEFI) mode and selected the legacy mode to boot. did the installation and after that I re-enabled UEFI mode... It did'nt allow me to boot, so I kept legacy mode for a while... one of the updates it said that there was a ubuntu UEFI mode that could be loaded and right there in the update-manager it gave me the option to change from legacy to UEFI. when I reboot it was real
[19:43] <maukiwi> ly changed to UEFI so I didn't touch it.
[19:44] <daftykins> just boot the flash drive as EFI, what brand is the system?
[19:45] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/lphyklT.gifv
[19:47] <maukiwi> HP Pavillion Sleekbook 15
[19:47] <daftykins> might be F8 through F11 for a boot menu then
[19:50] <zmoylan-pi> i thought f10 on hp...
[19:50] <daftykins> i felt like i'd seen it vary but yeah
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> they do like to changee things around to see if you read the 'read me first' documentation :-)
[19:55] <maukiwi> OK, cheers!!
[19:58] <diddledan> it's F11 on my UEFI mobo, but as you say it varies
[20:04] <daftykins> anyone got any thoughts on a good bagless cylinder vacuum?
[20:06] <diddledan> daftykins: preferably one without a bag
[20:08] <daftykins> that'd be bagless ;D
[20:10] <zmoylan-pi> just make sure you can buy filters into the future as i bought one bagless hoover that they stopped making filters for
[20:35] <diddledan> I wonder how to get firefox on ubuntu to support the DRM plugins
[20:36] <diddledan> it might not be possible at all, I guess
[20:36] <diddledan> specifically: "Adobe Primetime is available on Windows Vista/7/8/10 for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox. Google Widevine is available for Windows 7/8/10 and Mac OS X 10.9/10.10/10.11 for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Firefox."
[20:36] <diddledan> that suggests no
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> adobe... that will end well...
[20:38] <diddledan> aye
[20:38] <diddledan> replace one closed-ecosystem with another
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> 6 million updates and nothing on... :-)
[20:38] <Switches> Should be enough warning with just the "Adobe" name attached to it
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> think how things would improve if we could convince them to make viruses... :-P
[20:42] <Switches> rofl
[20:42] <Switches> I thought they already did..
[20:42] <diddledan> well they'll not be very good viruses
[20:43] <Switches> Flash is a virus isn't it? :p
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> but they'd be industry standard viruses...
[20:43] <diddledan> they'll let bad guys use them as a vector for their own viruses
[20:43] <diddledan> and then we'll have virus-squared
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> but you'd see tonnes of popups and acceptance boxes before the virus did anything giving you time to deal with it
[20:45] <diddledan> who remembers that adobe flash application runtime thingy that allowed flash to run outside the browser?
[20:45] <diddledan> flex?
[20:46] <diddledan> it's now gone to where all proprietary things go t die: the apache foundation: http://flex.apache.org/
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> and not inside a pdf file?...
[20:47] <diddledan> it's still getting updates?!
[20:48] <diddledan> last news item 11apr THIS YEAR!
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> the malware must get through!!
[20:48] <diddledan> the runtime was called "air"
[20:48] <diddledan> flex is the framework
[20:50] <diddledan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_AIR
[20:50] <zmoylan-pi> ouch... windows phone below 1% of markey... how much did ms spend on it again? http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/23/11743594/microsoft-windows-phone-market-share-below-1-percent
[20:51] <diddledan> 1 beeleon?
[20:51] <diddledan> 7 beeleon?
[20:51] <diddledan> something like that
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> i think it was a bit more
[20:52] <zmoylan-pi> $8b just buying nokia
[20:52] <diddledan> that was what I was trying to quote
[20:53] <zmoylan-pi> and that's not counting money on all the wince, pocketpc, winmobile variants
[20:54] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Yeh but that doesn't count what they gain from Nokia patents, and pouring some of the same stuff into the tablet code
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> i think they have a licence to use the nokia patents but not to sell them.  i'd need to check on that
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> nokia still owns most of nokia...
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> there are now 3 nokias.... ms-nokia, nokia-nokia, hmd-nokia
[20:57] <diddledan> MS recently divested itself of some of the old nokia stuff
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> hmd-nokia is now the dumbphone nokias
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> ms-nokia is still trying to push lumias but now without the nokia name on them
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> and nokia-nokia just bought alcatel and can if they so chose use nokia name on phones next year
[22:06] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[22:18] <popey> sebsebseb: pong
[22:23] <sebsebseb> popey: you got it?
[22:23] <popey> yup
[22:23] <sebsebseb> ok how is it?
[22:23] <sebsebseb> popey: also does the hardware make a difference. I mean really Ubuntu touch has always been a bit slow I guess on the 4.5, the mx 4, and the m10 as well
[22:24] <sebsebseb> seems the hardware is a bit overkill for the OS, but is it really?
[22:24] <popey> It's quite a bit quicker
[22:24] <sebsebseb> how do you notice the speed differences?
[22:26] <sebsebseb> popey: how's Gold colour as well :d.   I think it's slilver on front gold on black, like the MX 4 I didn't get
[22:45] <popey> sebsebseb: white front, silvery/pink back
[22:46] <popey> sebsebseb: just feels faster, faster to launch apps, faster to swipe etc
[22:49] <sebsebseb> popey: silverly pink back oh? I thought you got the Gold one? I thought Gold was the only Ubuntu  version for sale for now as well?
[22:49] <popey> its called gold
[22:49] <popey> but it doesn't look gold to my eyes
[22:49] <sebsebseb> oh
[22:49] <popey> box says "Color: GOLDEN"
[22:49] <sebsebseb> popey: ok you got the right box :d
[22:50] <sebsebseb> popey: I got a invoice that said Gold  on it for the MX 4, but a box that said Silver.  however that seems ok now. since that means I got MX 4 in Silver, which looiks like many poples iphones though uh.  but then when I buy Pro 5 some time later on this year I guess,  I'll have the other colour on the higher end device
[22:52] <popey> and now ... bed