/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/05/23/#ubuntu-za.txt

mazalmornings05:52
mazalmaaz tell inetpro That dolphin error is not occuring today05:53
Maazmazal: Got it, I'll tell inetpro on freenode05:53
theblazehenMorning mazal, urbanslug, others06:04
mazalMorning theblazehen06:04
mazalWhy larry hwy !!!!!06:12
mazalNow the system crashed when formatting a stick is back :( And it was fine last week06:12
mazalcrashes*06:13
theblazehenmazal: Formatting how? mkfs.fat or something?06:22
mazaltheblazehen, no in cli is fine , but with both gparted and k's own partition manager I get system crashes. Was like that since install , then it was fixed after updates last week , now today it's back06:26
theblazehenSystem crash being gui freeze? Everything freeze?06:26
theblazehenDo you have magic sysrq key enabled? What happens if you `re`06:27
mazalkdeinit5 crash and then some of those " A system error occured " as well as plasma errors06:27
mazalThe rest of the apps and DE don't freeze06:27
mazalI dunno what's magic sysrq key ?06:28
theblazehenmazal: You're one of the lucky 10000 :)06:30
theblazehenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key06:30
mazalI just can't get through 1 single week without some bug annoying me06:30
theblazehenxkcd.com/105306:30
theblazehenThe only bugs I get are when I update the kernel and don't reboot ;)06:31
theblazehenOr when hardware fails :(06:31
theblazehenhey deegee__06:31
theblazehenmazal: "Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken" works with sysrq key06:32
mazalWell is the first release ever I struggle like this. Been using ubu since 07 and never had so many bugs. And I don't have anything enabled described in that sysrq key link.06:33
mazalNot that I know of anyway06:33
theblazehenIt's a useful key to know06:33
mazalI should set it in keyboard options yes ?06:35
theblazehenNeed to enable it in sysctl06:37
theblazehenkernel.sysrq=1 in /etc/sysctl.conf or similar @mazal06:38
mazalI wonder what key combination it is then , can't find anything in keyboard shortcuts or input device settings06:39
theblazehenmazal: Which one are you looking for?06:44
theblazehenmagic sysrq?06:44
mazalThere must be a shortcut key combination to invoke it ?06:45
thatgraemeguymornings06:45
mazalLike ctrl-alt-sysreq or something06:45
theblazehenhey thatgraemeguy06:45
mazalMorning thatgraemeguy06:45
theblazehenmazal: Yeah, alt+sqsrq06:45
theblazehenBut you need to enable 106:45
mazalK06:45
theblazehenecho 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq06:45
thatgraemeguymazal: all due respect if you can't even grasp the wikipedia article on magic sysrq, then you really should just forget it exists, you can do some serious damage if you misuse it06:45
theblazehenNote, alt+sysrq+e kills open applications06:46
theblazehenthatgraemeguy: Good idea, yeah06:46
thatgraemeguynow I shall await a bunch of PMs telling my I'm unhelpful and needlessly harsh06:46
thatgraemeguyo:-)06:46
theblazehenthatgraemeguy: Have you seen /u/crankysysadmin on reddit? I kinda like that guy06:47
thatgraemeguyhaha06:47
thatgraemeguyyeah06:47
thatgraemeguy(its not me, I promise) ;-)06:47
mazalOk then06:48
MaNIsome keyboards no longer label sysreq which can confuse people06:57
MaNIon those keyboards it is just labeled print screen and does the same thing06:58
thatgraemeguyit still remains a dangerous thing in the wrong hands06:58
thatgraemeguylearn to use a paintball gun before you acquire nuclear weapons06:59
MaNIthe only combo most average users should worry about is the 'reisub' sequence if they need to reboot a crashed machine - it is less harmful than forcing the power off06:59
mazalUsually I tty1 and sudo reboot07:00
mazalThat mostly works , very rare that it's so bad that tty1 don't work either07:00
MaNIrare but happens07:00
MaNIjust the other day I ran into some oddity where google maps in chrome did some oddity that completely froze my box07:01
MaNIrepeatedly07:01
superflyI can honestly say I've never needed to use sysreq07:01
thatgraemeguyeither you have some bad hardware somewhere, or you have been messing with some system level bits and pieces that should just be left alone. I just install my system and use it without any fancy tweaky nonsense and its rock solid07:02
MaNIwrong07:02
MaNIit was a graphics driver bug07:02
MaNII think you people make way too many assumptions about how stable software in general is07:02
MaNIthere are always oddities07:02
thatgraemeguywell i wasn't talking to you, but thanks anyway07:03
thatgraemeguythat's my cue07:03
theblazehenIf X freezes, sysrq+r, then switch to tty and `reboot` is better than straight hard reboot. 07:03
mazalWell this specific bug doesn't freeze anything , just pumps out all those errors07:05
MaNIIn mazals case sure hardware is entirely possible.07:06
mazalOn 2 different pc's with seperate hardware ? I doubt it07:09
mazalMôre oom , is dit nou die tyd om hier aan te kom ?07:10
Kiloshehehe skuus man07:11
Kiloswas besig om met my meisies te gesels07:11
Kilosmorning everyone07:11
theblazehenhey Kilos07:11
mazalMaNI, I am thinking more one of the apps I use. But can't think which one would have something that messes with partitioning07:12
mazalooooe la la07:12
mazalKilos, do share :)07:13
Kilosonly time i chat on skype is to my girls07:14
Kilosthen everything else has to wait07:15
Kiloshi urbanslug 07:15
Kiloswhat did you break now mazal 07:15
mazalKilos, the system crashes when formatting a memory stick is back :(07:15
mazalAnd the only difference between last week and now is updated this morning07:16
Kilosai!07:16
mazalAnd the dolphin error when copying to memory stick is fixed07:16
mazalRemember the one I was talking about Friday night07:17
Kilosyes07:17
mazalSomething is up specifically with usb it seems07:17
Kilosjust keep reporting bugs and it will all be fixed07:17
theblazehenmazal: Have you tried fedora? I know this is an Ubuntu channel, but I like it, no issues here07:17
mazalAnd if I am the only one it must be one of my apps that only I use07:17
theblazehenIt just werks07:17
theblazehenAnd fresh install, ur update?07:18
inetproai!07:18
inetprogood mornings07:18
Kiloshi inetpro 07:18
mazalI fresh installed theblazehen , always07:18
theblazehenhey inetpro07:18
mazalThe ONLY app I can think of I have that might have something to do with partitioning is systemback07:19
Kilosmazal look in those logs for error reports07:19
mazalAnd only because it has it's own usb iso writer07:19
mazalIs why I think that might be the one07:19
Kiloscat and tail07:19
mazalBUT , it didn't update this morning07:19
theblazehenmazal: Unless it's running, shouldn't cause issues07:20
mazalNo is not a running service07:20
inetpro05/23 09:01:21 <superfly> I can honestly say I've never needed to use sysreq07:20
* inetpro +107:20
mazalI wish now I made a list of this morning's updates07:20
mazalCos that was the only change07:20
mazaltheblazehen, I used Fedora from '02 till '07 , liked it , then discovered Ubu07:21
inetpro05/23 09:02:00 <thatgraemeguy> either you have some bad hardware somewhere, or you have been messing with some system level bits and pieces that should just be left alone. I just install my system and use it without any fancy tweaky nonsense and its rock solid07:21
* inetpro +107:21
mazalWrong on both07:22
mazalIs on different pc's with different hardware , and I didn't make any system changed. Unless one of my apps did07:22
Kilosmazal have you got synaptic installed07:22
mazalyep07:23
* inetpro goes back to do some work07:23
Kilosreload it and mark upgrades and see if there are any07:23
mazalI'm thinking one of my apps Kilos.07:24
Kilosshouldnt interfere with your usb stuff or make your machine crash07:25
MaNISuch a crazy assumption, I'd agree that the starting point when a user sees strange things is to look for hardware issues and rule those out, but to make a blanket statement that it is definitely that is insane. The amount of variables in a software system and the amount of different configurations - there is all sorts of stuff that can and does go wrong. Go read through the kernel, nouveau, xfs or whatever else system component bugzilla 07:25
MaNIand see for yourself, issues can and do happen - just because they don't happen to you does not mean it is right to assume that everyone it does happen too either has hardware issues or is personally to blame.07:25
mazalDunno what else then. System wise I didn't make changes. Only extra apps that's installed.07:26
Kilosapps from repos mazal ?07:26
MaNImazal, next time it happens try get the system log for the crash and pastebin it somewhere, maybe it has some clues07:27
MaNIalso can you reproduce it with different 'usb sticks' or is it always the same one?07:27
mazalNot all Kilos , few ones are from their own repos. Systemback , dukto for example07:27
mazalMaNI, is with different ones. The first hing I did was make sure it's not the stick07:27
Kilosmazal this is happening on work and home machines?07:28
mazalKilos, that's why I'm trying to think which of those 3rd party apps might have something to do with usb or partitioning07:28
mazalKilos, yes , both machines. Both same software , different hardware. I use the same apps on both of them07:28
MaNIIt could be for instance the USB controller putting itself into low power mode at the wrong time or some other similar bug and then the kernel or xorg or whatever gets stuck in a syscall that never returns - I've actually seen bugs like that in the past07:29
Kilosbut its only with usb07:29
MaNI(just a random example of one of the many things that can go wrong to cause such symptoms)07:29
mazalKilos, I dunno , haven't tried to partition the internal drives. Don't want to loose all that data07:29
Kilosi would open synaptic and type in usb and then right click reinstall everything that shows installed and im sure there will be some that need to download extras07:30
mazalThere is no way to see the last list of updates that was done ?07:31
mazalMaybe the file dates in /var/apt/cache ?07:32
Kilosnot all updates to packages come with update commands imo07:32
Kilosill leave you to peeps that know more07:32
Kilosuse cat and tail07:33
theblazehenmazal: Look in /var/log/ for apt?07:33
Kiloscat /var/log/syslog07:33
mazalAh thanx theblazehen07:34
mazalBad news though07:34
mazalThe last time it was working fine was on the 16th07:35
mazalSo it can be any of thse: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmye3ku07:35
mazalThat's a lot of changes07:36
mazalI guess the hard way will be the best way. Start to purge my extra apps I use one by one07:38
MaNIanything in the syslog? there are almost always some clues and it is always almost better to start with those clues instead of trying random things07:40
paddatrapperGood morning everyone07:41
MaNIrun 'dmesg -w' and then reproduce the crash and see what pops up in dmesg just before the crash - heres an example of something similar to what you might be seeing (it probably isn't this though but maybe similar) https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=18319007:42
mazalMani syslog have a bunch of these "/org/freedesktop/UDisks2/drives/Lexar_USB_Flash_Drive_8DE16BD2318EAD1ED9A9" lost interfaces: ("org.freedesktop.UDisks2.Drive")07:48
mazalBut nothing on the kde5init crashes07:48
theblazehenmazal: Doesn't look good. Do you have a different usb you can test?07:48
theblazehenAnd turn power management off, then try again perhaps07:49
theblazehenDifferent usb ports tried right?07:49
mazalComplete different pc tried theblazehen same errors07:49
mazalHome pc has the same issue07:49
theblazehenHmm. Also same ubuntu version?07:50
mazaltheblazehen, OS and all apps the same yes07:50
theblazehenmazal: Hmm07:50
mazalIt's why I'm leaning towards an APP causing it07:50
theblazehenAnd other usbs?07:50
mazalother usbs ? On this pc ?07:50
theblazehenmazal: Yeah07:51
theblazehenOther flash disks07:51
mazalTried other flash disks both here and at home yes07:51
theblazehenhmm07:51
mazalI'm gonna boot to clean state then try that dmesg -w while formatting07:52
theblazehenmazal: Yeah. And tail -n0 -f /var/log/syslog07:53
mazalWhich one should I do first , tail syslog or dmesg ?07:56
theblazehenmazal: Run in 2 terminals07:58
mazaldmseg: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmr8sfp08:00
mazalDoesn't show eny errors08:00
mazalThe first crash on screen is Baloo indexing service08:01
mazalSecond is kde5init08:01
mazalNow gonna do one with tail syslog08:01
mazalWill have to reboot again first , services not crashing 2nd time cos they prob not running after first crash08:04
mazalOk crash reports on screen goes , Baloo indexing service first , then kde5init then " Plasma closed unexpectedly "08:11
mazalSyslog tail: https://bin.snyman.info/mmmwf4tg08:11
mazalTon of stuff happens there08:11
mazalThe crash started here May 23 10:07:1708:12
MaNImazal, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34615308:12
MaNIit seems its likely related to this08:12
MaNIand various duplicate bug reports (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346517) etc. - looks like some ongoing kde issue08:13
mazalOk looks like I am NOT the only one with this at least08:14
mazalFew of those "duplicate" ones seems to have a similar output in their log file08:15
mazalThanx MaNI08:16
mazaland theblazehen08:16
MaNII'd maybe try turn baloo off just to see if that helps - otherwise I'd chat with the kde people to see if they know more perhaps - the dozens of duplicates suggest that lots have run into it but don't know if they think they have already fixed it or not08:17
mazalI go google hot to trun baloo of08:18
inetpromazal: when last did you do a dist-upgrade? 08:21
inetprosudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade08:21
mazalI just did a update this morning with built-in update manager08:21
mazalKDE's update manager I mean08:22
mazalWould that miss updates and I should rather use dist-update instead ?08:22
superflyinetpro: don't do a dist-upgrade if you possibly can08:22
superflymazal: ^^08:22
mazaldon't do ?08:23
superflydon't08:23
superflyif you don't know what it does, don't use it08:23
superflyKilos: ^^ you especially08:23
mazalI never use it08:23
mazalI use K's update manager08:23
superflyyes, do that08:23
superflyif you're on the command line, use "upgrade"08:23
inetprosuperfly: please explain your reasoning08:24
inetprooops... sorry, I'm still stuck in aptitude lingo08:26
inetproapt and apt-get use 'full-upgrade'08:26
inetprosuperfly: you recommend avoiding full-upgrade also?08:26
superflyinetpro: as I said before, if you don't know what it does, don't do it.08:27
inetproah08:27
superflyinetpro: dist-upgrade pulls in new packages, upgrade will only upgrade packages it knows about, and only if they don't have dependencies that are already installed08:28
superflydist-upgrade will also remove packages relentlessly08:29
superflyevery time I have uninstalled my desktop, it was because I used dist-upgrade08:29
inetproplease explain what you mean with, "every time I have uninstalled my desktop"08:33
Kilosi still use aptitude upgrade or apt upgrade08:36
mazalHow can I tell maaz to remind of of something when I log in tomorrow ?08:38
* Kilos thinks fly means that dist upgrade command crashes things inetpro08:38
Kilosor breaks things08:39
* inetpro uses is all the time08:39
Kilossjoe08:39
Kiloswell have to wait to  be enlightened08:40
Kilosi dont know if remember works with Maaz  mazal 08:40
KilosMaaz remember lunch time is at 1pm08:41
MaazKilos: One learns a new thing every day08:41
Kilosai!08:41
mazalI know I can leave a note , but must manually retrieve it if I remember correctly08:41
Kilosmazal remember08:41
mazalI'll try08:41
KilosMaaz remember08:41
MaazKilos: Huh?08:41
KilosMaaz forget remember08:41
MaazKilos: I didn't know about remember anyway08:41
mazalbtw Kilos , I almost had a good plan for my space problem at home08:43
mazalTested the B315's wi-fi and seems good08:44
Kiloswhat mazal racks08:44
mazalThen after some measuring I realized I need a bigger table for the upstairs room first08:44
Kilosthrough the concrete roof?08:44
mazalNot yet no , tested downstairs08:44
mazalUpstairs was next step , then not big enough table08:45
mazalSo will speak to the finance guy now for a table , and that guy is difficult08:47
Kilossjoe08:52
mazalThat guy only want to buy games , don't want to buy other stuff :P08:52
Kiloslol08:53
mazalThen there is off course another small little issue08:54
mazala 3rd pc , will need that also08:54
theblazehenmazal: Sounding like me, with too many PCs :)09:06
mazaltheblazehen, and you will give just one guess as to the reason behind the whole thing09:07
mazalI*09:07
theblazehenmazal: More games?09:08
mazalhehehehe yeah is so that me and my friend's sun can lan Minecraft. Via console need internet and internet too unreliable. So want to do it pc wau with a server on my lan09:08
mazalson* And maybe learn to speel while I am at it09:09
mazalspell*09:09
mazalway*09:09
theblazehennice09:09
mazalPitty console version don't support lan09:10
mazalConsoles I have pleenty off :P09:10
mazalPlus backups09:11
theblazehenheh. got a ps4?09:11
* mazal peeks at oom Kilos09:11
mazalPS4 , 3x PS3 and 2x X36009:11
theblazehenmazal: Put linux on the ps4!09:11
mazalI pitty the PS4 though , should never have bought that one09:11
theblazehenAFAIK you can run games on it?09:11
mazalLinux won't run the PS4 games though , then one looses them09:12
theblazehenmazal: No dual boot? Didn't look much into it09:13
theblazehenMaybe swap out hdd?09:13
mazaltheblazehen, I have no idea. Never even concidered messing with a PS4 in that way09:14
* theblazehen still wants to run linux on my ps209:14
mazalI very much doubt dual boot , PS4 is so chuck full of DRM the thing can hardly work without being online09:14
grembleGood morning09:14
mazalHi gremble09:14
theblazehenhey gremble09:14
grembleHey mazal. Sorry to hear about your PS409:15
gremble:P09:15
grembleHey theblazehen 09:15
theblazehenmazal: Just pull the ps4 hdd out, clone it to a new disk, then put linux on new disk?09:15
grembleDoesn't it have a boot lock like the XBox?09:15
mazalgremble, no PS4 is fine. theblazehen is just giving my ideas of how to break it :P09:16
theblazehenidk09:16
mazalI think it does09:16
mazalCrazy DRM these days09:16
mazalOnly problem I have with my PS4 is I can't afford games for it09:16
grembleI know with the Xbox it has a chip in it that prevents it from booting anything else, so you have to desolder it, dissolve the epoxy on the chip and solder in a new connection09:16
grembleIt is a mission.09:16
mazalAnd ridiculous updates of course09:17
gremblemazal, for that you can get it modified though. There are quite a few places that will do that for you09:17
theblazehenmazal: Hey, if you don't want it ;)09:17
theblazehenAlthough I'd never use it.. Just like hald my hardware09:17
mazaltheblazehen, I am actually concidering selling it , got lots of money ? lol09:17
theblazehenMaaz define lots09:18
Maaztheblazehen: lots adv 1: to a very great degree or extent; "I feel a lot better"; "we enjoyed ourselves very much"; "she was very much interested"; "this would help a great deal" [syn: {a lot}, {lots}, {a good deal}, {a great deal}, {much}, {very much}] n 1: a large number or amount; "made lots of new friends"; "she amassed stacks of newspapers" [syn: {tons},09:18
Maaz{dozens}, {heaps}, {lots}, {piles}, {scores}, {stacks}, {loads}, {rafts}, {slews}, {wads}, {oo…09:18
mazalWould be a bargain though09:18
theblazehenmazal: I don't even want a ps4, so kinda useless to buy it.. 09:18
mazalThe rand is killing us with that machine09:19
mazalAnd my pathetic internet09:19
mazalGames R900 to R1200 each. Updates anything from 2gig to 20gig09:19
theblazehenOuch09:19
mazalIt's no surprise to have to do a 12gig update on a new release these days09:20
mazalAnd that's just the first one , every month after that some more updates09:20
grembleWe should make our own games studio. If only we knew how to make games and had a market...09:20
mazalyeah , that industry got bigger than even the movie industry09:21
grembleThat is really ridiculous. I never got into gaming. Whenever I play a game and it crashes the first time, I stop. I am not going to spend time on something that randomly does that.09:21
grembleAlso not going to pay that much money for something that is actually a shitty product09:22
mazalIs why I am a console guy. No stability or compatibility or requirements issues09:22
paddatrapperI can never find time to play games...09:22
mazalIf it says PS3 it wil run on the PS309:22
theblazehenpaddatrapper: Same here..09:23
* theblazehen really wants to play fallout 4 again09:23
mazalBut thanx to the bad rand , money wise it got completely ridiculous09:23
theblazehenSo close to where I wanted to be09:23
mazalI am still at the beginning of Fallout 409:24
paddatrapperI'm still on Fallout 309:24
mazalFallout 3 I never completed either. Must still replay and complete it09:24
mazalA few years ago got a new PSN id , so started a long project of rediong every game on new id09:25
paddatrapperThough lately (read the last year or so) I've been playing Borderlands the most (grand total of about 5 hours). Good game09:26
mazalNow you're talking !!!! Borderlands 1 and 2 by far my favourites. Have it on PS3, PS4 and PC and played through it a number of times on all 3 platforms09:26
mazalBest 2 games ever made imo09:27
mazalCould never plat nr.2 though. Was unable to kill raid boss and couldn't find a friend to help09:28
paddatrapperI'm lucky - have two brothers who enjoy it, so co-ops are not too difficult09:30
mazalCo-op best way , I used to lan with my gf and her son , but sadly those days are gone09:30
paddatrappermazal: Perhaps sometime we should have a go over a VPN09:32
mazalOn what platform you have it ?09:32
paddatrapperPC09:33
mazalPc I can't play it anymore, only Linux on my home pc now09:33
paddatrapperIt runs on Linux as far as I know09:33
theblazehenFallout 3 has good ending :)09:34
Kiloswas outside repairing cut fences09:34
paddatrapperwb09:34
mazalpaddatrapper, I tested Borderlands 2 on linux a few weeks ago. Runs terrible on Linux , jerky with very bad FPS and input lag09:34
mazalAnd BL 1 I don't think is Linux compatible09:35
paddatrapperDamn...09:35
mazalYeah my pc gaming days are over09:36
mazalUnless I do dual-boot09:36
mazalNow for what reason would my shortcut keys not work today , ai09:36
mazalDit ook nou nog !09:37
mazalProb the plasma crashes that broke that09:37
paddatrapperFor some reason I though Borderlands was one of the better games to run under linux, at least via steam09:37
theblazehenmazal: If you have the ram to spare, try gpu passthrough?09:37
mazalpaddatrapper, do you run it on Linux ?09:38
paddatrappermazal: No, but remember reading about it somewhere09:38
mazalpaddatrapper, For me it runs horrible. Maybe my in-game settings is not right then. But I even took everything down to low and it didn't help09:39
mazaltheblazehen, spare gpu ram or system ram ?09:41
theblazehenMaaz tell mazal system ram. Need to run windows in a vm09:50
Maaztheblazehen: Sure, I'll tell mazal on freenode09:50
mazaltheblazehen, copy that. Will do a lot of reading up first though. Haven't used vm before09:52
nlsthzn*yawn*11:22
mazalHi nlsthzn11:25
mazalYou sound like I feel :)11:25
nlsthznhey mazal :)11:25
nlsthznhttps://flic.kr/p/HjJci2 fudging around as always11:26
mazalWhat DE is that ?11:27
nlsthznmate11:28
mazalReminds me of the good gnome 2 days11:28
nlsthznwell that is what is was forked from11:28
mazalk11:28
nlsthzngnome 2.3211:28
* mazal goes to check out ubuntu mate pics11:29
nlsthznin ubu mate they even have a switcher to preconfigure the layout in several distro's default gnome 2.32 layouts with a single click11:30
nlsthznpretty cool...11:30
mazalLooks like my kind of thing , but seems their LTS are behind ( or their website is )11:32
mazalnvm , the faq is behind11:32
nlsthznmazal, ? well 16.04 is out11:32
mazalfaq said 14.04 , but I see 16.04 in downloads ues11:33
mazalThese modern DE's is giving me headaches , maybe I must try mate11:33
mazalAnd I loved gnome211:34
grembleI enjoy mate. It used to randomly crash, but it has stopped now, touch wood11:39
mazalI really need to get that test pc in. Must solve that quickly11:41
nlsthznwell, mate is in heavy development and staying in touch with what ever new shenanigans the gnome devs cook up... 11:45
nlsthznmuch more happening there than in XFCE11:46
theblazehen❯ echo 127.0.0.1 {,www.}reddit.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts12:08
theblazehendesperate times call for desperate measures..12:08
theblazehenhttps://github.com/openshit What a waste of a github username/organization :(12:11
gremblehttps://github.com/gremble This knob just made a repo when I asked for his username from github12:13
gremble>.>12:13
theblazehengremble: That not you then or what?12:16
grembleIt is not me, no12:18
grembleHe hadn't done anything since 2009, so I asked github if I could have the username, then he pushed something to a repo and they said no12:18
gremblehaha12:18
theblazehenheh12:19
grembleIt is a shame12:20
superflyyeah, sadly, one doesn't always get ones username of choice12:21
superflyI managed to bag "superfly" here, but I go by "who_da_fly" and "whodafly" elswhere12:22
Langjanhi guys12:22
Langjanhoe gaan dit Kilos ?12:22
Langjanen jy Chris? welkom!12:22
superflyHi Langjan12:23
superflyKilos: *prod* WAKE UP!12:23
Langjanhi superfly hoe gaan dit?12:23
superflyLangjan: besig, dankie12:23
superflyen self?12:24
Langjangoed dankie, besig om Chris 'n bietjie wys te maak van Ubuntu12:24
LangjanKilos,  jaag seker skape rond...12:25
superfly[11:34:26] <Kilos> was outside repairing cut fences12:26
Langjansheep with cutting teeth?12:26
Kiloshaha12:26
Langjanlmga12:26
Kilosnee man ek het water gepomp12:26
Kilosty superfly 12:26
Kiloswill carry on with fences tomorrow12:27
Langjanchris kuier by my12:27
Kiloshi ChrisDames breek jy ook goed12:27
Langjanleer van unity ens12:27
Kiloshehe12:27
Kilosarme man12:27
Langjannee hys nie op kde nie12:28
Kilosjy bol jouself nou12:28
Langjanjys die ou wat aanhou bolle rol 12:28
Kiloshahaha12:29
Kilosnee nee jy die bal roller12:29
ChrisDamesBaie dankie Langjan Ja ek vorder sal nog tyd neem12:29
Langjannet oefening12:29
ChrisDamesJawol12:30
Kilosmaak soos Langjan hoe meer jy breek hoe vinniger leer jy12:30
LangjanGerman shepherd12:30
Langjanyou can use him12:30
Kiloshmm...12:30
ChrisDamesDog training12:31
Kilosna these sheep listen to my long leather platted whip12:31
Langjansheepdog?12:31
Kilosya they hande when you have thousands of sheep but these few know when i say kom and uit and hok already12:32
Langjanif ChrisDames trains your sheepdog you can be on standby for when I break things12:32
Kiloshahaha12:32
LangjanO Afrikaanse skape nogal?12:32
Kilosdid you sort out thunderbird font sizes12:32
Langjanyes sort of thks seems theres a bug also12:33
Langjanbut I know my way around better now12:33
Kilosi gave up. just use ctrl+12:33
Langjaneasy to break it 12:33
Kilostell mazal where you got that eth cable and the cost12:34
Kilosbut he wont listen anyway12:35
Langjanoh I think it wat takealot, R3 per metre delivered (100m length) 12:35
Langjanlet me check12:35
Kilosoh my he ran away12:37
KilosLangjan why takealot and you take so little12:37
Langjanlmga12:37
ChrisDamesNO12:38
Kilosso ChrisDames gaan dit goed?12:38
Kiloswen julle daem12:38
theblazehenI want to buy http://rt.fm :)12:38
Kilosdarem12:38
theblazehenmake it a man page site12:39
ChrisDamesJa dankie Kilos12:39
Kilosmooi12:40
ChrisDamesEn self12:40
Kilosmoenie te veel leer by daai toppie nie12:40
Kiloshy breek goed12:40
Langjanhttps://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/75870645/Astrum+Networking+Cable+100.0m+Cat5e+Roll+Beige?sst=cat5+solid+network+cable+100m+roll,fkey,p1&ssp=2&sso=1&rc=default12:40
Kilosbaie goed hier dankie12:40
KilosLangjan who put the plugs on for you12:41
ChrisDamesSal versigtig wees12:42
Kilosconnectors12:42
LangjanLocal com shop @R10 each12:42
Kilosjy slim ne oom12:43
Langjanbut I bought cable from them at same price then they put plugs on for mahala12:43
Kiloshaha12:43
LangjanI told them cough up cable at R3/m or I order online so they came down from R7,10/m to R3/m including plugs  12:45
Langjanmy Jewish nature12:45
Langjanchasing sheep again Kilos ?12:45
Langjanjy moet daai skape braai man12:46
Langjanek sal jou kom help eet12:46
Kilosjy slim ne12:46
Langjanek leer mos by jou12:46
Kilosai!12:46
Langjanhaha12:47
Langjan jy moet net leer van unity12:47
Kilosnee nee as jy geleer het het jy minder goed gebreek12:47
Langjandan kom jy reg12:47
Kilosek hey 12.04 unity op desktop12:47
Langjanyoung men think old men fools but old men know they are12:48
Kilosen kde 14.04 natuurlik12:48
Kiloshaha12:48
Kilosoh my dead pc is revived12:48
Langjandis ChrisDames se slimmighede 12:48
Kilosstripped mother board and reassembled and it works12:49
Langjanwith 12.04? great12:49
Kilos12.04 early unity12:49
Kilosjust so i can remember what unity looks like 12:50
Langjangood12:50
Kilosbut default boot is kde12:50
Langjankeeps you civilised12:50
Kilosnono12:50
Langjankde will corrupt you12:50
Langjanjaja12:50
Kilosi keep it to remind me of the hassles12:50
Langjanlmga12:50
Kiloshee hee12:51
LangjanI have no hassles12:51
Kilosum12:51
Kiloser12:51
Langjanhmm12:51
Kilosexcuse me12:51
Langjanahhh12:51
Langjantrue12:51
Langjanhavent had probs on my machine for dayyyyys12:51
Kilosrofl12:51
Langjanwats dit?rofl12:52
Langjanmust be some kde rubbish12:52
Kilosrolling on the floor laughing12:52
Langjanlmga12:52
Langjanhow are the pains Kilos ?12:52
Kilosi was going to say something sarcastic but changed my mind12:53
Langjangood for you12:53
Kilosstill there but not too bad ty12:53
Kilosi can laugh without crying12:54
Langjanhope it improves12:54
Langjaneish! good12:54
Kilosnee man12:54
Kilosi would be lost without it12:54
Kilos18 years12:54
Langjanai12:54
Langjanlong time, sjoe12:55
Kilosi wouldnt know what was wrong12:55
Langjanany visa news?12:55
Kilosnothing, those security peeps there dont want me there12:55
Kilosvisa peeps say they waiting for security12:56
Langjansurely there must be somebod can wake them up12:56
Langjanspeak to Donald Trump12:57
Kiloshahahaha12:57
Langjanor oz politician12:57
Langjanpromise your vote12:57
Kiloshaha12:57
Kilosrev 21:812:58
Langjanwell seriously, find out whos minister of tourism and approach him/her12:58
Kilosalle leuenaars kom nooit in die hemel nie12:58
Kilosthat country is just as bad a s here12:58
Kilosdebs been renting a house for 3 years12:59
Langjanwell seriously, find out whos minister of tourism and approach him/her12:59
Kilosnew agengy took over the leases and told her she didnt pay deposit12:59
Langjanyou told me, any news on that issue?12:59
Kilosshe said she had to pay that and a months rent in advance to get the keys13:00
Langjandisgrace13:00
Kilosshe going to pay the 1064 aus dollars wednesday13:00
Langjanshould go to rent board or ombudsman, must be someone 13:00
Kilosthen they will start investigating13:00
Kiloshow stupid can you get13:01
Langjanjust showing chris a video of tara lynn13:02
ChrisDamesPragtig Pragtig Pragtigl13:08
Langjanjajaja13:08
Kilosmy kind kan sing ne13:09
LangjanChris se awesome13:09
Langjanhy kan nie spel nie...13:09
Langjanlmga13:09
Kiloslol13:09
Langjannou skop hy my 13:09
Kilosawesome is n moderne woord13:09
Langjanasemrowend is beter13:10
Langjanawesome is Ingels man13:10
Kilosmaar almal gebruik dit13:11
Kiloswereld wyd13:11
Langjanja soos voertsek13:11
Kilostot in afganistan13:11
Langjanalle honde verstan dit13:11
Kiloslol ja13:11
Langjanok Kilos will love and leave you13:12
ChrisDamesMe too13:12
Kilosty for the visit guys'13:12
Langjanmooi loop13:12
Langjanour pleasure13:12
Kiloslook after yourselves13:12
Langjangood to know theres always somebod to heal the breaks13:13
Kiloslol13:13
Langjanyou too, and the sheep13:13
Kiloswill do13:13
Langjanchris will train a dog for you13:13
Kiloslol13:13
Langjanex sap dog handler13:13
Langjanknows the ropes13:13
Langjanven when they chew theme13:13
Langjanthem13:13
Kilosdebbie has a prob dog from those cops13:13
Kilosshe saved him from being euthenised13:14
Langjanai 13:14
Kilosnow he follows her everywhere13:14
Kiloshe was too hardegat to train13:15
Langjanyes they love to be with people who care13:15
Langjanwhat breed?13:15
Kilosshepherd13:15
Kiloswe used to call them alsations13:15
Langjanyes13:16
Langjangerman shepherd13:16
Kilosyes13:16
ChrisDamesA dog should never enter or exit a door or gate bevore his handler13:17
Kilosoh13:18
Langjanits a pecking order thing13:18
Kilosja13:18
ChrisDames Or he wil think he is the bos and you the dog13:20
LangjanZumas dog goes in front13:21
Kilosthat one was half way trained i think but did his own thing so wasnt any good to the cops13:21
Kiloslol13:21
Langjanok my friend, take good care, chat again later13:21
Kilosbut he follows debbie all over so thats good  for her protection13:22
Langjanyes excellent13:22
Kilospas julle op my vriend13:22
Langjanbut not so necessary in oz13:22
Langjandankie jy ook Kilos  mooi loop13:22
Kilosnot as bad but there are skelms everywhere13:22
ChrisDames Ok cheers13:23
Kiloscheers ChrisDames 13:23
Kilosmooi loo[p13:23
Kilosloop13:23
Kilosai!13:23
mazalOom Kilos , sorry I can't remember what my cables cost14:19
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Kilosnp14:25
mazalNou's ek lekke deur die ^%$15:35
Kiloshoekom mazal 15:38
mazalFell asleep on the couch , woke up not sure if it's day or night :P15:38
Kiloslol15:39
mazalThink I must eat something and then the big choice of the evening15:39
Kiloslol15:46
Kiloswb deegee 16:01
paddatrapperOr not it seems16:03
Kiloshaha16:03
Kilosi wonder where he is globe trotting these days16:03
Kiloshi drussell where are you now?16:07
Kiloshi ERGO_proxi 16:10
ERGO_proxiKilos, hi16:10
Kilosdo you need linux help or you just visiting16:11
ERGO_proxiA friend referred me to Ubuntu. So I installed it and tried irc out16:12
Kiloscool16:12
Kilosyou are welcome to hang out here16:13
Kilosif you need any help, say what the prob is and someone will help you sort it16:13
ERGO_proxiThanks.. what programmes would you recommended or use? 16:14
Kilosall depends what you want to do16:15
Kiloswe have guys here using all the ubuntu flavours and other linux distributions16:15
Kiloscalled distros16:16
ERGO_proxiI'm kinda new at this so I'm running Ubuntu with defualt apps..  That's cool, distris huh..16:16
Kilosdefault apps are good, peeps that get more involved add other things16:17
Kilosai!16:17
KilosAndChat|698676 you have a bad connection16:18
Kilosfor irc you can use hexchat and vlc for vids etc16:19
Kilosfor emails i use thunderbird16:19
AndChat|698676My bad I'm outside s.a, and roaming using android irc ..16:19
paddatrapperKilos: Why not Kmail?16:19
Kiloslol paddatrapper i battled to get it setup when i tried it so stuck with tb16:20
KilosAndChat|698676 np16:20
paddatrapperAh. I'm quite enjoying Kmail, but it has a couple of annoyances I find16:21
Kilosand tb works lekker with the fridge calender16:21
Kilostook forever to setup as well though16:21
Kilosthe pro has it all worked out luckily16:23
paddatrapperKilos: Fridge calendar? I take it that is a calendar build into a fridge16:42
Kiloslol i have no idea where they got the name from16:43
Kiloshttps://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiIu6Gm0vDMAhUhKMAKHbKvC38QFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffridge.ubuntu.com%2Fcalendars%2Ffridge%2F&usg=AFQjCNERWtWDwXI8DoMAq6jgnER2i1d2Tw&sig2=TAr5Hg75Qqp2cF1je-PWuQ16:43
Kilossjoe16:44
KilosMaaz shorten https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiIu6Gm0vDMAhUhKMAKHbKvC38QFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffridge.ubuntu.com%2Fcalendars%2Ffridge%2F&usg=AFQjCNERWtWDwXI8DoMAq6jgnER2i1d2Tw&sig2=TAr5Hg75Qqp2cF1je-PWuQ16:44
MaazKilos: I can't reach that site16:44
paddatrapperAh lol16:44
Kilosai!16:45
Kilospaddatrapper how good is your python16:49
paddatrapperKilos: Pretty good16:49
paddatrapperWhat I don't know I can search16:49
Kiloswhen you have some time will you look at ibid for us and fix it so they can see google again please16:50
Kilosinetpro can tell you where to get the code16:50
paddatrapperSure16:50
Kilosty somewhere in github16:51
Kilosgoogle changed something now the bots  cant use it anymore16:51
paddatrapperFound it. They did change their API a while back I seem to remeber16:51
paddatrapperKilos: In what way is it unable to see google?16:59
Kiloswatch16:59
KilosMaaz google thunder16:59
MaazKilos: That didn't seem to agree with me16:59
Kilosits like there is a link in the code that needs changing17:00
paddatrapperAh ok17:01
Kilosi go eat17:02
magespawngood evening17:13
theblazehenhi magespawn. How's things?17:14
magespawngood and you theblazehen? getting used to gauteng cold17:16
theblazehenI'm alright ty magespawn17:16
magespawnloving the lte so far17:18
theblazehenlte is good, yeah17:20
Kiloshi magespawn 17:23
magespawnhi Kilos 17:23
Kilosmagespawn do you remember where ibid was on irc?17:30
Kilosthat other name place17:30
Kilosdunno if there is anyone there anymore even17:30
Kilosmaybe wizzy, i wonder why he stopped coming here17:32
mazalSee now this is what I was talking about today , only 2 games on PS4 has updates tonight. Total size 11gig17:36
Kilosouch17:36
Kilos4 months data17:36
mazalGaming gone crazy completely17:37
magespawnKilos: you mean the ibid channel?17:39
theblazehenmazal: http://www.classicdosgames.com/17:39
Kilosyes magespawn 17:39
magespawnhttp://ibid.omnia.za.net/Ibid/IbidRegistry17:41
magespawnnot sure if that is what you are looking for17:41
Kilosit wasnt on freenode, i remember that but the name hasnt come to light in head17:42
Kilospro will know17:42
paddatrapperKilos: The IRC channel seems to be on irc.atrum.org #ibid17:42
Kilosthere atrum17:42
paddatrapperBusy playing with the source at the moment17:43
Kiloson the latest one paddatrapper ?17:43
paddatrapperStraight from Github, yes17:44
Kilosyay fly will be happy17:44
Kilosty17:44
Kilosand the weed17:44
Kiloshttp://irc.atrum.org17:45
Kilosthat didnt work17:45
paddatrapperIt is an IRC server... CLUG (Cape LUG) is on there17:47
Kilosi used to be able to get there from here but forgot how17:48
paddatrapperIt should be the same as adding a new IRC server and joining the channel17:49
Kiloslol i used to just put the link here and click on it17:49
paddatrapperSounds much easier!17:52
magespawnwhat program are you using Kilos?17:52
Kilosi always look for easy17:52
Kiloskonversation17:52
magespawncan you use the command /connect iec.atrum.org ?17:53
Kilosi can try17:53
magespawnsorry not iec=irc17:53
Kilos[19:53] [481] Kilos Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator17:54
Kiloshaha17:54
magespawnnot sure if konverstion has a server window17:54
Kiloshttp://www.irc.atrum.org17:55
magespawnirssi allows multiple server connections, notsure how to do that in konversation17:55
Kilosai!17:55
Kiloshttp://www.atrum.org/chat/mibbit/17:56
Kilosai!17:56
Kilosnm ill get the culprits here17:57
Kilosmagespawn you leaving tomorrow?17:58
magespawnmaybe try /SERVER irc.atrum.org17:59
Kiloswooooo17:59
Kiloswell done magespawn 18:00
Kilosi asked are you leaving tomorrow18:00
magespawnleaving where?18:00
magespawnjust got here18:00
Kilosyou in jozi already?18:00
Kiloseish18:00
magespawnyup arrived today18:00
Kilossjoe18:01
Kilosyou said tuesday18:01
magespawnstart work tomorrow18:01
Kilosyou were mixed up then18:01
magespawni said so the other night18:02
Kilosim sure you said leaving tuesday to start work on monday18:02
Kiloswednesday i mean18:02
magespawni did, but i thought i corrected myself on that18:02
Kilosnm welcome to the cold place18:02
magespawnthanks, going to take a little getting used to 18:05
Kilosyeah cold here18:05
Kilosand more coming18:05
theblazehenCold is good :)18:05
Kilosif you a penguin ya18:06
theblazehenKilos: Well, we *are* in #ubuntu-za :)18:11
Kiloslol18:11
Kilosnatal peeps have thin skins18:12
Kilosold peeps too18:12
magespawnnot that thin, but i tell you one thing that i feel more awake up here18:13
Kilosless oxygen in the air here18:13
magespawnso i should be more asleep18:14
Kilosyou will acclimatise18:14
Kilosyou will18:14
Kilosyou just got here18:14
Kilosits the shock18:14
magespawnright18:14
Kilosurbanslug arent you supposed to be sleeping18:22
Kilospaddatrapper have you found the section that tells the bot where to google18:24
Kilosdont spend lots of time hey, studies come first18:25
paddatrapperKilos: I'm still struggling to get it setup. The default DB file doesn't work - throws a TypeError and forgotten the root password on my MySQL server so can't use that...18:25
Kilosit wont work18:26
paddatrapperWaiting for a response from a guy who hopefully does remember it so I can get a DB setup18:26
Kilosonly works on 12.0418:26
Kilosoh you not installing18:26
paddatrapperI'm running from source18:27
paddatrapperI go eat18:27
Kilosenjoy18:27
Kilosi can give you a ibid.db i think18:27
Kilosi need to setup my old 32bit pc and get you a .db18:30
magespawnpaddatrapper: reset the root password if you need to 18:38
paddatrapperOk I'm back.18:38
magespawni forget how but it is possible18:38
paddatrappermagespawn: Looks like I'll have to18:38
Kilosyou eat too fast18:39
Kilosunhealthy18:39
Kilosim busy installing ibid then ill have the .db18:39
Kilosneed modem wbb18:43
* mazal returns battered and bruised18:51
mazalThey be kicking my butt in Fallout 4 :(18:51
theblazehenmazal: Fun. What difficulty you play at?18:55
Kiloscan we do this tomorrow paddatrapper 18:55
Kiloseven on xchat here18:55
theblazehenEmbarresing "secret": I always play on the easiest. Less time spent on the actual game, more on the story18:55
paddatrapperKilos: I'm eating and working at the same time (of sorts), that's why I'm taking a while to reply18:55
theblazehenGlad I'm not the only one working late..18:56
paddatrapperKilos: Thursday or Friday rather? Need to spend tomorrow and Wednesday preparing for Maths18:56
Kilosthats good paddatrapper ty thern i can take my time install ibid18:56
Kilosand get a chair here18:57
Kiloshehe18:57
Kilosi go back to lappy18:57
Kiloswbb18:57
mazaltheblazehen, I don't know actually , I think easy18:59
mazalStuck on 1 mission I keep dying , so continuing with some other missions18:59
mazalThat's 1 flaw of Fallout , neither the enemies nor the missions shows levels , so one never know if you can actually do a mission yet or not19:00
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:01
paddatrapperNight19:01
Kilosnight inetpro 19:01
mazalnag oom19:02
inetprogoeie nag oom19:02
mazalNight all , sleep well19:07
magespawngood night all19:23

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