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[07:23] <yofel> Thomas Anderson (thomasanderson) wants to be a member of Kubuntu Ninjas - Yellow belts (kubuntu-ninjas-yellow-belts)
[07:23] <yofel> does anyone know him?
[08:36] <ejay> Hi. I installed plasma 5.6.4 from backports on kubuntu 16.04. Kdeinit5 keeps crashing like there is no tomorrow. Why? How to diagnose whats wrong?
[09:58] <clivejo> shadeslayer: are you working on apps 16.04.1 in Neon?
[09:59] <shadeslayer> not exactly ...
[09:59] <clivejo> oh
[09:59] <shadeslayer> I needed it for other things
[09:59] <shadeslayer> and the easiest way for me to get it done was to just update Neon's branches
[09:59] <clivejo> what you need it for?
[10:00] <shadeslayer> Debian rebuilds
[10:01] <clivejo> I see you put in a request to package lastest libdrumstick
[10:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[10:01] <clivejo> Im trying to figure out why korganizer keeps crashing
[10:02] <shadeslayer> you stalker
[10:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:02] <clivejo> LOL I need it packaged too!
[10:02] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:02] <clivejo> for that weird package Ive never seen before
[10:02] <clivejo> have no idea what its does!
[10:03] <clivejo> Im assuming its a music thingie-ma-jig
[10:03] <shadeslayer> I'll just update it in a repo for myself
[10:03] <clivejo> any ideas on what KCalCore::ICalTimeZoneData::ICalTimeZoneData (this=0x5623445a0ce0, rhs=..., tz=..., earliest=...) at /build/kcalcore-yvIebH/kcalcore-16.04.1/src/icaltimezones.cpp:708
[10:03] <clivejo> means?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> that you need to poke bugs.kde.org ?
[10:04] <shadeslayer> looks like a crash in the ICalTimeZoneData ctor
[10:04] <clivejo> kontact seem to think its broken ABI
[10:04] <shadeslayer> wouldn't that be a different crash?
[10:05] <clivejo> no idea :/
[10:05] <shadeslayer> does KDE PIM gurantee ABI?
[10:05] <clivejo> shadeslayer: I was trying that myself, but not sure where the files should be installed - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+build/9783082
[10:06] <clivejo> havent had time to go back and look at the properly
[10:06] <shadeslayer> I can take a poke later
[10:12] <clivejo> at least kmail is working again in 16.04.1
[10:13] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be stalling and taking forever to open emails
[10:14] <soee> :)
[10:17] <clivejo> how do I list all bugs for a certain product on bugs.kde?
[10:17] <soee> https://bugs.kde.org/describecomponents.cgi
[10:25] <clivejo> yofel: about?
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[10:28] <clivejo> need some guidance on kdeconnect
[10:41] <acheron88> clivejo: supposed fix to the bug I reported the other day https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-desktop.git&a=commitdiff&h=8a9772d8673a58583317b4906a9352d6bf44a8e2&hp=d8197688122e6b3787283ef59fa5ddd3c518662b
[10:42] <clivejo> will it be in the next release?
[10:43] <acheron88> it's in branch 5.6, so presumably will be in any 5.6.5
[10:45] <acheron88> 5.6.5 - Tue 2016-06-14  'Bug fixes and new translations only from Plasma/5.6 branch - only if needed'
[10:45] <clivejo> have you applied the patch yourself?
[10:45] <clivejo> test if it works?
[10:45] <acheron88> nope. only just seen it
[10:46] <acheron88> I will apply later today and test
[10:46] <clivejo> are you on YY or XX?
[10:46] <acheron88> XX on main machines, and YY in a VM
[10:47] <soee> valorie, ovidiuflorin could you post news about 5.6.4 in backports?
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:04] <acheron88> clivejo: testing locally on XX, that patch/commit seems to do the trick
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[17:59] <clivejo> acheron_uk: are you acheron88?
[18:03] <acheron_uk> yes, sorry
[18:09] <clivejo> hi :)
[18:09] <clivejo> what part of the UK you in?
[18:11] <acheron_uk> SW, more or less
[18:11] <clivejo> getting good weather?
[18:11] <acheron_uk> Has been great today
[18:11]  * clivejo nods
[18:11]  * clivejo just had a BBQ
[18:12] <acheron_uk> nice. may do that later in the week or w/e if things hold
[18:14] <clivejo> is that kickoff bug only in FW5.22?
[18:17] <acheron_uk> seems that way. I tested in arch with FW5.21 and no prob, then updated to FW5.22 from their testing repo while plasma stayed the same, and up popped the bug.
[18:18] <acheron_uk> fix is in plasma desktop, but looks like was just exposed by change in FWs
[18:42] <clivejo> can anyone else confirm this crash in korganizer?
[19:34] <valorie> hi folks, trying to figure out what needs testing in YY?
[19:34] <valorie> or I guess I can try backports in XX on my travel computer
[19:45] <valorie> btw, I finally restarted this laptop after days, and the only odd thing I'm noticing is that my screen color is oddly changing like every half minute or so
[19:46] <valorie> I think redshift has gone bipolar or so
[19:50] <clivejo> that is odd
[20:01] <valorie> once I turned it off in the widget the color shifts stopped, so it isn't plasma, the drivers, etc.
[20:01] <valorie> sad, because I really like/need redshift
[20:13] <valorie> backports is now installing on the travel laptop, but I suppose by now all the kinks have been worked out
[20:13] <clivejo> nope
[20:14] <clivejo> there always be bugs!
[20:15] <valorie> I was thinking that dropbox wouldn't start, but no, it was just still syncing
[20:16] <valorie> of course it's a rather lean lil box
[20:16] <clivejo> is it any snappier?
[20:16] <valorie> hard to say, it's pretty slow
[20:16] <clivejo> I find 5.6 bit quicker 
[20:16] <acheron_uk> krunner ate my memory earlier today. not sure what caused that
[20:17] <clivejo> login, opening apps etc seems a little faster
[20:17] <valorie> perhaps
[20:17] <valorie> I basically only use it to test between trips
[20:17] <valorie> oh, I woke with a crown from one of my molars in my mouth this morning
[20:18] <valorie> need to leave to the dentist to have that looked at/replaced/repaired
[20:18] <clivejo> valorie: did you see yofel's question this morning?
[20:18] <valorie> ttyl
[20:18] <clivejo> Thomas Anderson (thomasanderson) wants to be a member of Kubuntu Ninjas - Yellow belts (kubuntu-ninjas-yellow-belts)
[20:18] <clivejo> anyone know him?
[20:19] <valorie> I have never heard of him
[20:19] <valorie> I can write to him and explain that he needs to come in here and help.....
[20:19] <valorie> after the dentist
[20:21] <clivejo> ok, be good :)
[20:21] <yofel> o/
[20:22] <clivejo> acheron_uk: do you have a LP account?
[20:22] <acheron_uk> yes, set a fresh one up today
[20:23] <clivejo> what is it?
[20:23] <acheron_uk> https://launchpad.net/~acheron
[20:23] <clivejo> nice
[20:24] <clivejo> will you patch plasma-desktop?
[20:25] <acheron_uk> already done it here locally
[20:25] <clivejo> I mean for everybody
[20:25] <acheron_uk> can make a ppa and upload to that?
[20:26] <clivejo> do you use git?
[20:27] <acheron_uk> sometimes, but really only for grabbing code, rather than changing or committing
[20:27] <clivejo> do you know where we keep the packaging?
[20:28] <acheron_uk> not on debian git any more?
[20:29] <clivejo> correct, we moved to Launchpad
[20:29] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git
[20:30] <acheron_uk> got it
[20:30] <clivejo> if you clone plasma-desktop
[20:32] <clivejo> checkout kubuntu_xenial_backports
[20:33] <acheron_uk> yep
[20:33] <clivejo> do you know how to create a patch and put it into the packaging?
[20:34] <acheron_uk> did it earlier with the package via quilt and making the edit myself 
[20:34] <clivejo> if you look in debian/patches/upstream_include_cmath_c++_fix.diff
[20:34] <acheron_uk> assume in just the packaging only you copy in the patch and add to the series file
[20:35] <clivejo> its an example of a patch we are applying 
[20:35] <clivejo> yup
[20:35] <clivejo> and add a note in the changelog
[20:36] <acheron_uk> yep, I looked at that one earler when I was modifying the package as a whole
[20:36] <clivejo> you should also close the Launchpad bug from the changelog as well
[20:37]  * clivejo wonders was it ever reported :/
[20:37] <acheron_uk> is there a LP bug? 
[20:37] <acheron_uk> I didn't
[20:37] <clivejo> LOL probably not!
[20:37] <acheron_uk> as I knew it was kde upstream
[20:38] <clivejo> you could refer to the KDE bug you got the patch from
[20:38] <clivejo> just make a brief note of what the patch does, makes it easier for the next person to know it needs to be removed in the next release
[20:39] <acheron_uk> this is what I did earlier
[20:39] <acheron_uk> 2 secs
[20:40] <acheron_uk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16665468/
[20:41] <clivejo> looks good
[20:41] <clivejo> what did you call the file?
[20:41] <clivejo> the patch
[20:41] <acheron_uk> just 'fix_kicker_recent_documents.diff'
[20:42] <clivejo> can you put upstream_fix_kicker_recent_documents.diff
[20:42] <acheron_uk> yes
[20:42] <clivejo> just allows us to see at a glance that its came from upstream and can be removed the next staging we do :)
[20:43] <acheron_uk> done
[20:43] <clivejo> and you change it in the series files too
[20:44] <clivejo> can I see your changelog entry?
[20:44] <acheron_uk> gimme a sec
[20:48] <acheron_uk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16665626/ as I was only doing it for me
[20:51] <clivejo> !info plasma-desktop
[20:51] <ubottu> plasma-desktop (source: plasma-desktop): Tools and widgets for the desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:5.5.5-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 1575 kB, installed size 7751 kB
[20:53] <clivejo> I would add a bit more detail about the patch
[20:53] <clivejo> its name mainly
[20:54] <acheron_uk> git doesn't match the backports? https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-desktop/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_backports
[20:55] <acheron_uk> at least the ppa changelog and versions anyway
[20:55] <clivejo> yeah
[20:55] <clivejo> backports is basically a PPA
[20:56] <clivejo> so we dont care too much about the version numbers
[20:56] <clivejo> the main archive on the other hand is different!
[20:57] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop
[20:57] <clivejo> version 4:5.6.4-0ubuntu1 is in proposed
[20:58] <clivejo> so for yakkety archive changelog we would have to make a new version ubuntu2
[20:58] <acheron_uk> I get that.
[20:59] <acheron_uk> Just looking to do a ppa version on xenial, then surely CL should follow on from the one in ppa rather than the archive version in YY? 
[21:00] <clivejo> from my point of view, we usually work on devel then backport it
[21:00] <clivejo> that tends to be our workflow
[21:00] <acheron_uk> unless you just don't care and treat each a a separate backport?
[21:01] <acheron_uk> ah... as I was typing, you obviously do
[21:01] <acheron_uk> that is fine
[21:07] <acheron_uk> so now have http://paste.ubuntu.com/16665949/
[21:07] <clivejo> ah I modified its a bit for you :P#
[21:08] <acheron_uk> no probs
[21:08] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-desktop/commit/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=517d50e0fb280940f3372918771fcb77b8715c27
[21:09] <acheron_uk> fair enough in yy :)
[21:10] <acheron_uk> XX to match then
[21:11] <clivejo> so its building in the staging PPA - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=plasma-desktop&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=yakkety
[21:11] <acheron_uk> cool
[21:13] <acheron_uk> seems I've acquired a yellow belt while I wasn't looking :)
[21:13] <clivejo> indeed !
[21:17]  * acheron_uk watches build in LP. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
[21:17] <clivejo> yeah, this is the boring bit!
[21:17] <clivejo> waiting forever for it to publish
[21:17] <acheron_uk> burger will take ages to publish as well, I bet
[21:19] <acheron_uk> pretty straight forward
[21:20] <clivejo> yeah, you got all the basics, just need to learn how to apply it :)
[21:21] <acheron_uk> as said, I tinker and rebuild stuff for myself
[21:21] <acheron_uk> just a case of adapting to a more formal way 
[21:21] <clivejo> where did you learn how to package?
[21:22] <acheron_uk> myself, just wanting to modify some things the way I wanted them
[21:23] <acheron_uk> used to do the same a bit on mandrake/mandriva with rpms
[21:24] <clivejo> I wouldnt know where to start in Mandrake
[21:24] <clivejo> I have a little bit of a spite against Mandrake though!
[21:24] <acheron_uk> rmp spec files are *fun*
[21:24] <acheron_uk> why?
[21:25] <clivejo> it was the first ever distro I ever tried, I got a box set
[21:25] <clivejo> and it blew up my new monitor
[21:25] <clivejo> by jacking up the refresh rate!
[21:25] <clivejo> I was as sick as a dog over that
[21:26] <clivejo> the monitor was like £600 at the time
[21:26] <acheron_uk> ouch!
[21:27] <clivejo> have you heard of kubuntu-automation ?
[21:27] <acheron_uk> mandrake was the first I tried as well I think. got a copy/cds from uni
[21:27] <acheron_uk> heard of it? yes. maybe clicked a link? yes. recall what on earth it was? not so sure
[21:28] <clivejo> from what I remember this was like 20 floppy discs!
[21:28] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/tree/
[21:29] <clivejo> this is what we call KA, an attempt to lighten the load and automate the packaging process
[21:29] <acheron_uk> hah! yes I seen that.
[21:30] <clivejo> once Id pushed your patch/changelog to Launchpad I used git-buildpackage-ppa
[21:30] <clivejo> that automatically goes off and downloads the source code, packages it all up, ready for upload to LP
[21:31] <acheron_uk> nice
[21:31] <clivejo> yes, its got some nice tools for making things a bit easier
[21:32] <clivejo> do-all goes into every folder in your current directory and runs the command you give it
[21:32] <acheron_uk> with the number of packages in kde imagine pretty essential
[21:33] <clivejo> git-clone-all will go grab all the packaging from Launchpad
[21:34] <clivejo> have you a KDE ID?
[21:34] <acheron_uk> that readme is a tad short!
[21:34] <clivejo> LOL yup
[21:34] <clivejo> unfortuately documentation is a bit lacking
[21:34] <acheron_uk> KDE ID in what sense?
[21:35] <acheron_uk> just have bug.kde account
[21:36] <clivejo> can you access this - https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[21:36] <clivejo> with your KDE ID
[21:38] <acheron_uk> page is not even loading here ATM
[21:38] <clivejo> arrrr
[21:38] <acheron_uk> 502 Bad Gateway
[21:38] <clivejo> Bad Gateway
[21:38] <clivejo> well thats useful!!
[21:39] <clivejo> well that *was* an attempt to better document it!
[21:40] <acheron_uk> I look another day if it'll let me in
[21:41]  * clivejo kicks KDE Notes and LP
[21:41] <acheron_uk> I presume? https://identity.kde.org/index.php?r=site/login
[21:42] <clivejo> yes
[21:42] <clivejo> but that page will ask you for it
[21:42] <clivejo> well it should!
[21:45] <acheron_uk> can't log inot the main identity site, so presuming a bugs.kde account is not enough
[21:46] <clivejo> soee_: ping
[21:48] <soee_> clivejo: pong
[22:13] <acheron_uk> YY published, VM updated, rebooted, and bug 'seems' fixed
[22:17] <clivejo> LOL, Im still downloading
[22:18] <acheron_uk> XX updated as well, but I'd already 'fixed' it, so should in effect be a no change package replacement
[22:19] <acheron_uk> not slow broadband here, but no fibre yet either
[22:24] <clivejo> acheron_uk: yup, thats fixes for me too :)
[22:24] <clivejo> Id like a couple more testers before moving to backports
[22:25] <clivejo> anyone up for it?
[22:26] <acheron_uk> would be wise. had a couple of crashes with krunner today that I'm reasonably sure are just coincidence, but you never know.
[22:27] <clivejo> thats the problem, things are interlinked
[22:27] <clivejo> fixing one thing could break something else!
[22:28] <acheron_uk> indeed
[22:29] <acheron_uk> right. gotta give up for this evening. zzzzzz
[22:29] <clivejo> yeah, its getting late
[22:29] <acheron_uk> thanks for the small 'tour'
[22:30] <clivejo> no problem
[22:30] <clivejo> hope we see more of you :)
[22:31] <acheron_uk> I'll pop back in tomorrow, and looks like I've all but booked a place in that 'dojo' later in week :P
[22:32] <acheron_uk> night
[22:32] <clivejo> night night