=== JanC is now known as Guest21659 === JanC_ is now known as JanC === thumper is now known as thumper-dogwalk === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === thumper-dogwalk is now known as thumper [03:46] is there anyone I could ask about how indicator-datetime was implimented? [03:48] I'm looking through the source, but reading C is not my forté. [05:00] hi [06:05] good morning desktopers === benonsoftware is now known as Guest30663 [06:43] morning EU guys, :) [06:45] hey happyaron [06:45] how are you? [06:46] great === \b is now known as benonsoftware [06:48] how was your morning? [06:49] got the nm-applet update done? ;-) [06:49] waiting latest package to build now [06:49] :) [07:38] seb128: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6453316/+listing-archive-extra [07:38] seb128: changelog needs some update to close the bug [07:39] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/261344317/network-manager-applet_1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2.diff.gz [07:39] happyaron, why do you change old changelog entries? [07:40] seb128: the diff was to the one in my ppa [07:40] no change from the archive version [07:42] oh, ok [07:46] happyaron, diff looks good, but yeah please update the changelog to list [07:46] * debian/patches/name [07:46] - description (lp: bug) [07:46] for each change [07:46] also the bugs should be SRU friendly with impact/testcase/regression potential [07:47] ok [07:47] thanks [08:03] morning! [08:08] hey Laney! [08:08] how are you? [08:11] hey Laney! [08:13] hey seb128 and didrocks [08:13] I am good! [08:13] it is sunny despite what the weather said [08:13] in your FACE BBC [08:13] and yesterday someone gave me a lift in a kids bike trailer [08:13] lol [08:14] http://www.is-us.co.uk/img/bicycle-trailer/index-bicycle-trailer-4620j.jpg [08:15] how about you? [08:15] how did that happen? ;-) [08:16] a friend was dropping off some foraged wild garlic that i requested [08:16] (/me just planted some of it in the garden) [08:16] and then was heading towards the bus stop that i would use to go climbing [08:16] happyaron, hey - still OK for that meeting later on? Like 9pm your time or something [08:16] so i got a lift [08:25] Laney: man that is impressive did they take photos they should of :D [08:26] I took a video but you can't see me in it thankfully /o\ [08:26] hey willcooke [08:26] hi seb128 === Drac0 is now known as Guest23631 [08:50] Laney, pretty please could you review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/terminal-tabs/+merge/292055 [08:50] * willcooke makes Laney a cake === ogra_` is now known as ogra_ [08:55] hello [08:56] moin [08:57] good morning hikiko & Sweet5hark1! [08:59] lol in windows 8 you need to exit the desktop to open a program [08:59] wtf [09:00] win8 was a mistake [09:00] you should try win10 :-) [09:00] can you update somehow? [09:03] I'm pretty sure you can [09:03] they proposed win10 as a free recommended upgrades until july [09:03] weird that you didn't see it [09:04] on a win7 install they try to shuffle it in as part of normal updates every time the update things prompt you [09:06] willcooke: In Radiance, is the background behind the tab bar supposed to be light? [09:08] Laney, checking... [09:12] seb128: I'm sorry you think windows 8 is a mistake but it is the awesomerest operating system out there......Who am i trying to kid any OS that makes you wish you had vista or millenium edition needs to be burnt at the stake right :D [09:13] Laney, yes, supposed to be same as the title bar. In Amb. it's dark and Rad. is light [09:14] Fine [09:15] sil2100: how do I make a silo which does an upload to Y and a SRU to X? [09:15] Laney: hey! uuuu, currently that's sadly not directly possible, you'd have to do 2 separate silos [09:15] wah [09:15] ok, thanks [09:15] Not too much fine-grind control sadly... [09:15] or to dput the SRU [09:16] ...ooor that [09:16] haha [09:16] ;) [09:16] which I opted for with the ones I did [09:16] thanks seb128 [09:16] Laney, yw :-) [09:16] hikiko: also if you use windows 10 you can get ubuntu on there so just work from the terminal and done ;) [09:17] no silos available [09:17] :D [09:18] good to know davmor2 :) [09:21] Yeah, 80 silos and all used up :| [09:21] wattt [09:22] Trevinho, land your silo 28 :-) [09:22] in your FACE TRAIN [09:22] it's not red anymore since i deleted the unity s390x binaries [09:22] * Laney is shooting from the hip [09:24] haha [09:45] thanks for the review Laney [09:45] cake for everyone [09:46] np [09:46] sil2100: is there a standard branch naming scheme for SRUs that will make train happy? [09:46] IOW: where should I push to? [09:46] so that someone can do a train sru next time without pain [09:47] or just fix Vcs-Bzr? [09:52] Laney: it really depends on the project, we don't have any specific naming policies anymore [09:52] In the past those SRU trunks were named with series numbers [09:52] how does train know? [09:52] is it just configured somewhere? [09:53] Laney: it looks at the target branch you want to merge the MP into [09:53] ok, so for the first one you just create it [10:32] it seems to the final, there is no gtk+ 3.20.x support for Firefox 47 :-( [10:35] willcooke: okay today [10:35] * happyaron was at dinner [10:35] * Sweet5hark1 took out the papers and the trash and now has a yakkety pbuilder online. yakkety yay. [10:35] happyaron, thx [10:36] Sweet5hark1: scrubbed the kitchen floor too? [10:36] pitti: yes, and finished cleaning my room [10:37] * pitti applauds [10:37] * ogra_ tried the same but only ended up with a full trash can ... no pbuilder to be seen [10:37] i must be doing something wrong [10:37] ogra_: you get no spending cash then. [10:37] damn ! [10:41] Laney, seb128 Is there an aspiration to switch to GTK 3.20 in the Yakkety dev cycle? [10:41] if possible [10:42] the theme is one prerequisite for that, that's why I've been working on it [10:44] Laney, so we've just about dragged the Ubuntu MATE themes to 3.18. Some stuff is not syled in 3.18 because is has changed significantly in GTK 3.20 [10:44] We don't want to do the same work twice. [10:46] Starting at the end of this week I'm going to be away for a week and a half. [10:47] We are going to start the GTK 3.20 theme migration after that. [10:47] Hopefully my stuff will be "good" by then [10:47] If you have any source for what you've started, that would be helpful. [10:47] I seem to recall that you're not that different from Ambiance [10:47] Almost identical. [10:48] We've fixed some issue you might be interested in SRU'ing for Xenial. [10:48] So we'll see how that goes [10:48] https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes [10:48] It's quite annoying work [10:48] because I don't even know what all of the rules were there for [10:48] so it's like "hmm, should I port this? and how?" [10:48] https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/20 [10:48] * Laney is going for visually similar enough [10:49] https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/13 [10:49] https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/4 [10:49] ty [10:49] Those three are good for Xenial in Ubuntu. [10:50] I'll be releasing a new ubuntu-mate-artwork for Yakkety later and SRUing some fixes to Ubuntu MATE. [10:50] willcooke was looking at that last one [10:51] for us [10:51] willcooke, There you go then :-) [10:52] wut [10:52] * willcooke reads [10:53] ahhh [10:53] that chestnut [10:53] so [10:53] flexiondotorg, I got as far as working out if you removed the .views (or .view) class it fixed it [10:54] that issue has a fix on it [10:54] * willcooke reads some more [10:55] ^_^ [10:56] doesnt work for us [10:56] so there will need to be more fettling [10:56] setting the progress bars to not use images everywhere I expect [10:56] which can't really be a bad thing IMO [10:57] you tried https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/commit/24eb9083f6ba42c4f8fe6545dac2f7656b29bf29 ? [10:57] but yeah, that's the idea [11:02] Laney, willcooke You might want this too - https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/5 [11:02] The MATE team have decided to suck it up and just go with linked buttons. Fighting it is too hard. [11:03] flexiondotorg, thanks! We've got a bit of a fix for it [11:03] the linked buttons that is [11:06] mrm, cant find a link [11:06] willcooke, I previously based of your fix, but we've given up the fight. GTK 3.20 is coming, or here ;-) [11:06] I think that's wise [11:07] we should do the same [11:07] Laney did want me to make linked buttons look better, rather than make them look unlinked [11:08] Laney, ah, that fix looks good. I will try and sort it tomorrow [11:08] thanks flexiondotorg ^ [11:08] I'll try and linkify them for 3.20 [11:09] the css there gets a bit hairy [11:09] Most welcome :-) I've been freeloading off the Ambiance theme for a couple of years. [11:09] first-child last-child only-child [11:29] seb128: sent the package by email, ppa can't upload the same version... [11:29] and updated the bug [11:33] happyaron, thanks === dupondje_ is now known as dupondje [11:53] seb128: I can't publish it, there are packaging changes... Laney can you (silo 28)? [11:57] Trevinho: it is done [11:57] or doing [11:57] NO [11:57] Laney: yeah, sorry not approved [11:57] Laney: in a sec [11:57] MARCOOOOOOOOOOO [11:57] :-) [11:57] Laney: here it is [11:58] Eh, I checked all the reviews, but since I wanted to test that one better I left it in that state... And once I did the test, I forgot :) [11:58] so, retry :) [11:58] plz [11:58] happyaron, your changelog modifies old entries in the SRU as well, removing trailing spaces [11:58] trailing spaces :@ [11:58] * Laney pats happyaron [11:59] ic. blame my vimrc.. [11:59] I guess it's a non issue [11:59] though it's pointless change for a SRU [11:59] but I doubt the SRU team is going to frown much over it [11:59] let's see [12:01] * Laney eyes the train [12:02] is it working? [12:02] chooo [12:02] https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/12/console [12:02] 4 minutes? [12:05] ah it woke up === alex-abreu|off is now known as alex-abreu [12:38] good morning ! [12:40] hey desrt, how are you? [12:40] good! [12:40] had a fun esperanto long weekend in quebec [12:40] ah, nice [12:41] nobody told others off for speaking french there? ;-) [12:41] wasn't quite as large as last year's event (i mean, really, who can compete with toronto?) but it was the 2nd largest one we've had..... definitely trending up [12:41] lol [12:41] only in the usual "ne krokodilu!" sense [12:42] there were a fair number of newbies, though, so ... well, sometimes it's gonna happen :p [12:42] but uh... nothing like the other 'issue'... although those two people spent the weekend not speaking to each other [12:44] so what did i miss? :) [12:44] not a lot I think, was a quiet monday [12:44] Laney (seb128 too), the upower fix for kbd backlight landed upstream so the upower debdiff is at bug 1583861. Can you test it with your nice dell laptop? (and eventually sponsor me)? [12:44] bug 1583861 in upower (Ubuntu) "Keyboard backlight isn't properly restored after idle on systems with hardwired configuration" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583861 [12:45] that needs also the usd changes linked there, in order to get the full fix [12:45] Trevinho, good job, I guess pitti can backport that/include it with his next upload [12:45] we want to SRU as well? [12:45] seb128: yeah [12:45] pitti, ^ can you handle that or would you prefer somebody from desktop to do it? [12:45] it's really annoying if you've your kbd turned on/off when you go back to the laptop. [12:46] and dell people wanted it too [12:46] something just went horribly horribly wrong with my computer.... [12:46] * desrt looks with a sense of dread [12:47] dpkg segfaulted in the middle of an upgrade and now the dynamic linker no longer exists. cool stuff. [12:47] desrt, welcome to the club [12:47] unity won't start on xenial for me [12:47] I can't tell if it's lightdm or unity atm [12:47] I login and it just hangs there forever [12:47] i have a feeling that my problems are my own fault though :( [12:47] openConnection: connect: No such file or directory [12:47] cannot connect to brltty at :0 [12:47] that shows in .xsession and that's about it [12:48] just use a static linker ... dynamic linkers are so overrated :) [12:48] * desrt wonders where mv.static and ln.static are these days [12:48] Trevinho: does that actually need u-s-d/g-s-d changes too? [12:48] Trevinho: as the bug has tasks for those [12:50] pitti, we can handle the usd side [12:50] pitti, they don't need to land together [12:50] * desrt decides that sudo is considered harmful [12:50] seb128: ok, but there's still fixes to be done there [12:51] yeah [12:51] apt [whatever] fails in a horrible way: you get a nice useful root shell prompt that you can use to fix your system. 'sudo apt [whatever]' and you get a user who can't even use sudo anymore [12:51] pitti, Trevinho has u-s-d branches approved which are going to land this week [12:52] seb128, Trevinho: I can apply the fix to the Debian packaging git and uplaod to y and x-proposed, but I can't verify it [12:52] that's fine [12:52] we have people who can [12:52] Laney on his xps [12:52] pitti: awesome, thanks. [12:52] and there are some Dell people interested subscribed to the bug [12:53] * Trevinho on his thinkpad too [12:53] thinkpadS === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [12:56] how does one purge a guest account? [12:58] Beret, try #ubuntu for user questions, but if you are talking about lightdm guest there is nothing to purge, the account is not persistant, it's cleaned up when closing the session [12:58] Trevinho, seb128: done [12:59] pitti, thanks! [12:59] seb128, I've tried that, and to no avail [13:00] I can work around the problem, but I'd prefer to figure out what happened [13:07] pitti: nice, thanks a lot for both upstream and downstream work :) [13:07] Trevinho: thanks to you too, nice fix === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [13:37] happyaron, can you make the nm-applet SRU bugs compliant with the process? impact/testcase/regression potential, I've sponsored it but we need that before geting the SRU in now [13:37] meow [13:38] seb128: already updated when giving you the package === ayan is now known as penfold [13:51] Laney, seb128 - Taleo account is sorted, I can see candidates now [13:51] tally hooooooooooooo [13:52] happyaron, you had a bug reference wrong in the changelog of the SRU, fixed that and reupload, you are going to get a rejected email about the wrong one [13:54] happyaron, also what's the status of the openconnect sru? p_itti had review comments about that SRU [13:54] seb128: ok ty [13:56] seb128: haven't looked at that yet, was stuck at nm-a polkit patch merge... [14:04] happyaron, updated what? [14:07] seb128: upstream made some changes to their code on VPN handling logic but I'm quite new to polkit things which we maintain delta for that part [14:14] desrt, could you review the gnome-menus patch from andyrock on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1506744/comments/42 ? that's the one you discussed in Prague [14:14] Launchpad bug 1506744 in libunity (Ubuntu) "Newly installed applications do not show in the dash" [High,In progress] [14:14] andyrock, can you upstream ^ btw? [14:14] sure [14:14] but not sure they are going to accept a simple timeout fix [14:14] happyaron, hello? [14:18] yes? [14:47] this patch... [14:49] no. not cool. [14:50] how can i review a patch that's attached inline like that? [14:50] copy and paste :( [14:50] hi desrt! [14:50] hey :) [15:01] andyrock: review is on the bug. you've been very very naughty. [15:03] a global timeout can cause starvation [15:03] desrt: ^^^ [15:03] yes. it can. [15:03] but not really [15:04] i can't imagine a situation in which the system applications directory is constantly churning non-stop [15:04] the upgrade (or whatever) is going to finish at some point [15:04] yeah but it can happen that you see results after 1 minute [15:05] so? [15:05] yeah again, was on the wrong side of an ircsplit seems [15:05] so multiple timeouts are better imho [15:05] the way apt works with the unpack-and-then-configure approach means that you might want to wait a bit before trying to run that app you just installed, anyway [15:05] if you want to stick with the multiple timeout approach, that's cool too. i have a suggestion in the bug to deal with that approach more elegantly [15:05] ie: no need to keep the list [15:06] oh, seems like I missed some discussions [15:06] desrt, thanks for reviewing ;-) [15:06] no prob. [15:06] happyaron, did you pong while I was on the other server? ;-) [15:06] cool i'll take a look later [15:08] seb128: yep but without mentioning your name [15:09] happyaron, sorry there was some irc disconnect ... what did you update? ;-) [15:10] it was ==> upstream made some changes to their code on VPN handling logic but I'm quite new to polkit things which we maintain delta for that part [15:10] oh ok, I guess that's for the .2 update [15:10] yep [15:10] yeah, unsure about those patches to not show some items in the greeter [15:10] that probably should be upstreamed [15:11] anyway that's less urgent but could you [15:11] 1- update the 3 nm-applet SRU bugs to have their SRU description? [15:11] that should take like 10 minutes [15:12] I've updated one of nm-applet sru bug, shall I update all the three? [15:12] yes [15:12] they need a impact/testcase/regression potential [15:12] like [15:12] ok [15:12] Impact: segfault for some users [15:12] Test case: the e.u.c report should show no entry for the new version [15:12] doing now [15:12] thanks [15:13] happyaron, 2- we should SRU the openvpn/etc to at least 1.2.0, that's probably trivial and could be done before nm-applet if that one is harder [15:13] happyaron, and 3- but that might be 1.5, try to unblock the NM SRU, I think it needs to check that the kubuntu regression is fixed and talk to the SRU team about copying it to updates [15:14] then we can look at the 1.2.2 updates [15:14] seb128: we need all the VPN plugins to be >= 1.2.0, I can only get pptp work with the archive version [15:14] ok [15:14] thanks [15:16] happyaron, archive is 1.1.93 for pptp, agree with should update to 1.2.0 ;-) [15:17] yep [15:17] same though that one seems to have no code change to 1.2.0 [15:17] some in 1.2.2 though [15:18] and we are lucky cuz pptp plugin is the only one we ship by default [15:18] what's the issue with pptp, I'm unsure I understood [15:19] no issue with pptp, but all other plugins have issues [15:19] urg [15:20] can't see connection options at all after installation & reboot [15:20] in the release? [15:20] or when we update to 1.2.0? [15:20] in the release [15:20] is that fixed upstream? [15:21] haven't tested, but reading some commits it looks like only a 1.2 version checking problem [15:21] k, well those that we have on 1.1.93 should be fine [15:22] they're on my list this week [15:22] but e.g openconnect was not updated before release [15:22] great [15:22] I let you work then [15:22] let me know if you need any help or sponsoring [15:22] ty [15:29] seb128, I'm on a call still, would you mind starting the meeting? [15:29] willcooke, I can do, no problem [15:29] seb128, actually just wrapping upo [15:29] up [15:30] willcooke, as you want [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 [15:30] Meeting started Tue May 24 15:30:21 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: [15:30] :-) [15:30] Hi all, sorry running a few mins late [15:31] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (hols), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out) [15:31] hey! [15:31] greetings, humans [15:32] --. -. [15:32] o/ [15:32] SYNACK [15:33] oki, me & desrt have to scoot at the top of the hour, so lets do this thing [15:33] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: andyrock [15:33] hey [15:33] # Fixed a problem with applications lens not correctly displaying entries inside directories with - in the name [15:34] \o/ [15:34] # Started to work on fix a little bit the show desktop icon [15:34] # Code reviews [15:34] # eof [15:34] thanks andyrock [15:34] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: attente [15:35] hi [15:35] holiday yesterday [15:35] spent some time debugging the galculator snapcraft [15:35] trying to reduce the delta between ubuntu software and gnome software. some patches merged upstream [15:35] (eof) [15:35] thanks attente [15:35] good work on the upstreaming [15:35] is there much more to do>? [15:35] yeah... [15:36] oki, we'll get there. Let me know if you need anything from me [15:36] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: desrt [15:36] we should maybe consider a bugfix SRU meanwhile...? [15:36] also a short week here (same holiday as attente). had a really good chat last week with the RH guys that changed the approach to the dconf confinement -- but am now on a much better path. it seems like i will now confine all of dconf, not just gsettings. [15:36] also did some very initial work on improving debian support in jhbuild. [15:36] various patch reviewing [15:36] eof [15:37] Nice. [15:37] thanks desrt [15:37] seb128, attente - let's talk SRU after the meeting? [15:37] yes [15:37] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:37] hey [15:38] * spend some time on trying to reproduce bug 1585256 - no luck so far, reported upstream [15:38] bug 1585256 in samba (Ubuntu) "After upgrading to 4.3.9 lost possibility to login to NetApp using Kerberos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585256 [15:38] * debugging a case where in presence of libmtp proprietary printer drivers break - this probably is not a Ubuntu bug, but need more investigation to be sure [15:38] * did a fair amount of snappy reading and made first snaps - I would appreciate any desktop-specific info in that area to start with [15:38] eof [15:38] thanks dgadomski [15:38] let's pick up desktop snaps later this week [15:38] maybe tomorrow? [15:39] works for me, thanks [15:39] re: libmtp - tkamppeter might be able to help there as well [15:39] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24 | Current topic: FJKong [15:39] hi [15:39] sogou IM: [15:39] some error message output from QML, should be diable by default. [15:39] page up and down not work some time expet for cliking by mouse, hot [15:39] key binding problem. [15:39] could not swith out IM in some app. [15:39]