[03:46] <sethj> is there anyone I could ask about how indicator-datetime was implimented?
[03:48] <sethj> I'm looking through the source, but reading C is not my forté.
[05:00] <hikiko> hi
[06:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:43] <happyaron> morning EU guys, :)
[06:45] <seb128> hey happyaron
[06:45] <seb128> how are you?
[06:46] <happyaron> great
[06:48] <seb128> how was your morning?
[06:49] <seb128> got the nm-applet update done? ;-)
[06:49] <happyaron> waiting latest package to build now
[06:49] <happyaron> :)
[07:38] <happyaron> seb128: https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6453316/+listing-archive-extra
[07:38] <happyaron> seb128: changelog needs some update to close the bug
[07:39] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/261344317/network-manager-applet_1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.1_1.2.0-0ubuntu0.16.04.2.diff.gz
[07:39] <seb128> happyaron, why do you change old changelog entries?
[07:40] <happyaron> seb128: the diff was to the one in my ppa
[07:40] <happyaron> no change from the archive version
[07:42] <seb128> oh, ok
[07:46] <seb128> happyaron, diff looks good, but yeah please update the changelog to list
[07:46] <seb128> * debian/patches/name
[07:46] <seb128> - description (lp: bug)
[07:46] <seb128> for each change
[07:46] <seb128> also the bugs should be SRU friendly with impact/testcase/regression potential
[07:47] <happyaron> ok
[07:47] <seb128> thanks
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney!
[08:08] <seb128> how are you?
[08:11] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:13] <Laney> hey seb128 and didrocks
[08:13] <Laney> I am good!
[08:13] <Laney> it is sunny despite what the weather said
[08:13] <Laney> in your FACE BBC
[08:13] <Laney> and yesterday someone gave me a lift in a kids bike trailer
[08:13] <seb128> lol
[08:14] <Laney> http://www.is-us.co.uk/img/bicycle-trailer/index-bicycle-trailer-4620j.jpg
[08:15] <Laney> how about you?
[08:15] <seb128> how did that happen? ;-)
[08:16] <Laney> a friend was dropping off some foraged wild garlic that i requested
[08:16] <Laney> (/me just planted some of it in the garden)
[08:16] <Laney> and then was heading towards the bus stop that i would use to go climbing
[08:16] <willcooke> happyaron, hey - still OK for that meeting later on?  Like 9pm your time or something
[08:16] <Laney> so i got a lift
[08:25] <davmor2> Laney: man that is impressive did they take photos they should of :D
[08:26] <Laney> I took a video but you can't see me in it thankfully /o\
[08:26] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:26] <willcooke> hi seb128
[08:50] <willcooke> Laney, pretty please could you review this?  https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/terminal-tabs/+merge/292055
[08:50]  * willcooke makes Laney a cake 
[08:55] <hikiko> hello
[08:56] <Sweet5hark1> moin
[08:57] <seb128> good morning hikiko & Sweet5hark1!
[08:59] <hikiko> lol in windows 8 you need to exit the desktop to open a program
[08:59] <hikiko> wtf
[09:00] <seb128> win8 was a mistake
[09:00] <seb128> you should try win10 :-)
[09:00] <hikiko> can you update somehow?
[09:03] <seb128> I'm pretty sure you can
[09:03] <seb128> they proposed win10 as a free recommended upgrades until july
[09:03] <seb128> weird that you didn't see it
[09:04] <seb128> on a win7 install they try to shuffle it in as part of normal updates every time the update things prompt you
[09:06] <Laney> willcooke: In Radiance, is the background behind the tab bar supposed to be light?
[09:08] <willcooke> Laney, checking...
[09:12] <davmor2> seb128: I'm sorry you think windows 8 is a mistake but it is the awesomerest operating system out there......Who am i trying to kid any OS that makes you wish you had vista or millenium edition needs to be burnt at the stake right :D
[09:13] <willcooke> Laney, yes, supposed to be same as the title bar.  In Amb. it's dark and Rad. is light
[09:14] <Laney> Fine
[09:15] <Laney> sil2100: how do I make a silo which does an upload to Y and a SRU to X?
[09:15] <sil2100> Laney: hey! uuuu, currently that's sadly not directly possible, you'd have to do 2 separate silos
[09:15] <Laney> wah
[09:15] <Laney> ok, thanks
[09:15] <sil2100> Not too much fine-grind control sadly...
[09:15] <seb128> or to dput the SRU
[09:16] <sil2100> ...ooor that
[09:16] <Laney> haha
[09:16] <sil2100> ;)
[09:16] <seb128> which I opted for with the ones I did
[09:16] <Laney> thanks seb128
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, yw :-)
[09:16] <davmor2> hikiko: also if you use windows 10 you can get ubuntu on there so just work from the terminal and done ;)
[09:17] <Laney> no silos available
[09:17] <hikiko> :D
[09:18] <hikiko> good to know davmor2 :)
[09:21] <sil2100> Yeah, 80 silos and all used up :|
[09:21] <seb128> wattt
[09:22] <seb128> Trevinho, land your silo 28 :-)
[09:22] <Laney> in your FACE TRAIN
[09:22] <seb128> it's not red anymore since i deleted the unity s390x binaries
[09:22]  * Laney is shooting from the hip
[09:24] <sil2100> haha
[09:45] <willcooke> thanks for the review Laney
[09:45] <willcooke> cake for everyone
[09:46] <Laney> np
[09:46] <Laney> sil2100: is there a standard branch naming scheme for SRUs that will make train happy?
[09:46] <Laney> IOW: where should I push to?
[09:46] <Laney> so that someone can do a train sru next time without pain
[09:47] <Laney> or just fix Vcs-Bzr?
[09:52] <sil2100> Laney: it really depends on the project, we don't have any specific naming policies anymore
[09:52] <sil2100> In the past those SRU trunks were named with series numbers
[09:52] <Laney> how does train know?
[09:52] <Laney> is it just configured somewhere?
[09:53] <sil2100> Laney: it looks at the target branch you want to merge the MP into
[09:53] <Laney> ok, so for the first one you just create it
[10:32] <ricotz> it seems to the final, there is no gtk+ 3.20.x support for Firefox 47 :-(
[10:35] <happyaron> willcooke: okay today
[10:35]  * happyaron was at dinner
[10:35]  * Sweet5hark1 took out the papers and the trash and now has a yakkety pbuilder online. yakkety yay.
[10:35] <willcooke> happyaron, thx
[10:36] <pitti> Sweet5hark1: scrubbed the kitchen floor too?
[10:36] <Sweet5hark1> pitti: yes, and finished cleaning my room
[10:37]  * pitti applauds
[10:37]  * ogra_ tried the same but only ended up with a full trash can ... no pbuilder to be seen
[10:37] <ogra_> i must be doing something wrong
[10:37] <Sweet5hark1> ogra_: you get no spending cash then.
[10:37] <ogra_> damn !
[10:41] <flexiondotorg> Laney, seb128 Is there an aspiration to switch to GTK 3.20 in the Yakkety dev cycle?
[10:41] <Laney> if possible
[10:42] <Laney> the theme is one prerequisite for that, that's why I've been working on it
[10:44] <flexiondotorg> Laney, so we've just about dragged the Ubuntu MATE themes to 3.18. Some stuff is not syled in 3.18 because is has changed significantly in GTK 3.20
[10:44] <flexiondotorg> We don't want to do the same work twice.
[10:46] <flexiondotorg> Starting at the end of this week I'm going to be away for a week and a half.
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> We are going to start the GTK 3.20 theme migration after that.
[10:47] <Laney> Hopefully my stuff will be "good" by then
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> If you have any source for what you've started, that would be helpful.
[10:47] <Laney> I seem to recall that you're not that different from Ambiance
[10:47] <flexiondotorg> Almost identical.
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> We've fixed some issue you might be interested in SRU'ing for Xenial.
[10:48] <Laney> So we'll see how that goes
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes
[10:48] <Laney> It's quite annoying work
[10:48] <Laney> because I don't even know what all of the rules were there for
[10:48] <Laney> so it's like "hmm, should I port this? and how?"
[10:48] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/20
[10:48]  * Laney is going for visually similar enough
[10:49] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/13
[10:49] <flexiondotorg> https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/4
[10:49] <Laney> ty
[10:49] <flexiondotorg> Those three are good for Xenial in Ubuntu.
[10:50] <flexiondotorg> I'll be releasing a new ubuntu-mate-artwork for Yakkety later and SRUing some fixes to Ubuntu MATE.
[10:50] <Laney> willcooke was looking at that last one
[10:51] <Laney> for us
[10:51] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, There you go then :-)
[10:52] <willcooke> wut
[10:52]  * willcooke reads
[10:53] <willcooke> ahhh
[10:53] <willcooke> that chestnut
[10:53] <willcooke> so
[10:53] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, I got as far as working out if you removed the .views (or .view) class it fixed it
[10:54] <Laney> that issue has a fix on it
[10:54]  * willcooke reads some more
[10:55] <Laney> ^_^
[10:56] <willcooke> doesnt work for us
[10:56] <willcooke> so there will need to be more fettling
[10:56] <willcooke> setting the progress bars to not use images everywhere I expect
[10:56] <willcooke> which can't really be a bad thing IMO
[10:57] <Laney> you tried https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/commit/24eb9083f6ba42c4f8fe6545dac2f7656b29bf29 ?
[10:57] <Laney> but yeah, that's the idea
[11:02] <flexiondotorg> Laney, willcooke You might want this too - https://github.com/flexiondotorg/ubuntu-mate-themes/issues/5
[11:02] <flexiondotorg> The MATE team have decided to suck it up and just go with linked buttons. Fighting it is too hard.
[11:03] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, thanks!  We've got a bit of a fix for it
[11:03] <willcooke> the linked buttons that is
[11:06] <willcooke> mrm, cant find a link
[11:06] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, I previously based of your fix, but we've given up the fight. GTK 3.20 is coming, or here ;-)
[11:06] <willcooke> I think that's wise
[11:07] <willcooke> we should do the same
[11:07] <willcooke> Laney did want me to make linked buttons look better, rather than make them look unlinked
[11:08] <willcooke> Laney, ah, that fix looks good.  I will try and sort it tomorrow
[11:08] <willcooke> thanks flexiondotorg ^
[11:08] <Laney> I'll try and linkify them for 3.20
[11:09] <Laney> the css there gets a bit hairy
[11:09] <flexiondotorg> Most welcome :-) I've been freeloading off the Ambiance theme for a couple of years.
[11:09] <Laney> first-child last-child only-child
[11:29] <happyaron> seb128: sent the package by email, ppa can't upload the same version...
[11:29] <happyaron> and updated the bug
[11:33] <seb128> happyaron, thanks
[11:53] <Trevinho> seb128: I can't publish it, there are packaging changes... Laney can you (silo 28)?
[11:57] <Laney> Trevinho: it is done
[11:57] <Laney> or doing
[11:57] <Laney> NO
[11:57] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, sorry not approved
[11:57] <Trevinho> Laney: in a sec
[11:57] <Laney> MARCOOOOOOOOOOO
[11:57] <seb128> :-)
[11:57] <Trevinho> Laney: here it is
[11:58] <Trevinho> Eh, I checked all the reviews, but since I wanted to test that one better I left it in that state... And once I did the test, I forgot :)
[11:58] <Trevinho> so, retry :)
[11:58] <Trevinho> plz
[11:58] <seb128> happyaron, your changelog modifies old entries in the SRU as well, removing trailing spaces
[11:58] <Laney> trailing spaces :@
[11:58]  * Laney pats happyaron 
[11:59] <happyaron> ic. blame my vimrc..
[11:59] <seb128> I guess it's a non issue
[11:59] <seb128> though it's pointless change for a SRU
[11:59] <seb128> but I doubt the SRU team is going to  frown much over it
[11:59] <seb128> let's see
[12:01]  * Laney eyes the train
[12:02] <Laney> is it working?
[12:02] <seb128> chooo
[12:02] <Laney> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/12/console
[12:02] <Laney> 4 minutes?
[12:05] <Laney> ah it woke up
[12:38] <desrt> good morning !
[12:40] <seb128> hey desrt, how are you?
[12:40] <desrt> good!
[12:40] <desrt> had a fun esperanto long weekend in quebec
[12:40] <seb128> ah, nice
[12:41] <seb128> nobody told others off for speaking french there? ;-)
[12:41] <desrt> wasn't quite as large as last year's event (i mean, really, who can compete with toronto?) but it was the 2nd largest one we've had..... definitely trending up
[12:41] <desrt> lol
[12:41] <desrt> only in the usual "ne krokodilu!" sense
[12:42] <desrt> there were a fair number of newbies, though, so ... well, sometimes it's gonna happen :p
[12:42] <desrt> but uh... nothing like the other 'issue'... although those two people spent the weekend not speaking to each other
[12:44] <desrt> so what did i miss? :)
[12:44] <seb128> not a lot I think, was a quiet monday
[12:44] <Trevinho> Laney (seb128 too), the upower fix for kbd backlight landed upstream so the upower debdiff is at bug 1583861. Can you test it with your nice dell laptop? (and eventually sponsor me)?
[12:45] <Trevinho> that needs also the usd changes linked there, in order to get the full fix
[12:45] <seb128> Trevinho, good job, I guess pitti can backport that/include it with his next upload
[12:45] <seb128> we want to SRU as well?
[12:45] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah
[12:45] <seb128> pitti, ^ can you handle that or would you prefer somebody from desktop to do it?
[12:45] <Trevinho> it's really annoying if you've your kbd turned on/off when you go back to the laptop.
[12:46] <Trevinho> and dell people wanted it too
[12:46] <desrt> something just went horribly horribly wrong with my computer....
[12:46]  * desrt looks with a sense of dread
[12:47] <desrt> dpkg segfaulted in the middle of an upgrade and now the dynamic linker no longer exists.  cool stuff.
[12:47] <Beret> desrt, welcome to the club
[12:47] <Beret> unity won't start on xenial for me
[12:47] <Beret> I can't tell if it's lightdm or unity atm
[12:47] <Beret> I login and it just hangs there forever
[12:47] <desrt> i have a feeling that my problems are my own fault though :(
[12:47] <Beret> openConnection: connect: No such file or directory
[12:47] <Beret> cannot connect to brltty at :0
[12:47] <Beret> that shows in .xsession and that's about it
[12:48] <ogra_> just use a static linker ... dynamic linkers are so overrated :)
[12:48]  * desrt wonders where mv.static and ln.static are these days
[12:48] <pitti> Trevinho: does that actually need u-s-d/g-s-d changes too?
[12:48] <pitti> Trevinho: as the bug has tasks for those
[12:50] <seb128> pitti, we can handle the usd side
[12:50] <seb128> pitti, they don't need to land together
[12:50]  * desrt decides that sudo is considered harmful
[12:50] <pitti> seb128: ok, but there's still fixes to be done there
[12:51] <seb128> yeah
[12:51] <desrt> apt [whatever] fails in a horrible way: you get a nice useful root shell prompt that you can use to fix your system.  'sudo apt [whatever]' and you get a user who can't even use sudo anymore
[12:51] <seb128> pitti, Trevinho has u-s-d branches approved which are going to land this week
[12:52] <pitti> seb128, Trevinho: I can apply the fix to the Debian packaging git and uplaod to y and x-proposed, but I can't verify it
[12:52] <seb128> that's fine
[12:52] <seb128> we have people who can
[12:52] <seb128> Laney on his xps
[12:52] <Trevinho> pitti: awesome, thanks.
[12:52] <seb128> and there are some Dell people interested subscribed to the bug
[12:53]  * Trevinho on his thinkpad too
[12:53] <Trevinho> thinkpadS
[12:56] <Beret> how does one purge a guest account?
[12:58] <seb128> Beret, try  #ubuntu for user questions, but if you are talking about lightdm guest there is nothing to purge, the account is not persistant, it's cleaned up when closing the session
[12:58] <pitti> Trevinho, seb128: done
[12:59] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[12:59] <Beret> seb128, I've tried that, and to no avail
[13:00] <Beret> I can work around the problem, but I'd prefer to figure out what happened
[13:07] <Trevinho> pitti: nice, thanks a lot for both upstream and downstream work :)
[13:07] <pitti> Trevinho: thanks to you too, nice fix
[13:37] <seb128> happyaron, can you make the nm-applet SRU bugs compliant with the process? impact/testcase/regression potential, I've sponsored it but we need that before geting the SRU in now
[13:37] <Laney> meow
[13:38] <happyaron> seb128: already updated when giving you the package
[13:51] <willcooke> Laney, seb128 - Taleo account is sorted, I can see candidates now
[13:51] <Laney> tally hooooooooooooo
[13:52] <seb128> happyaron, you had a bug reference wrong in the changelog of the SRU, fixed that and reupload, you are going to get a rejected email about the wrong one
[13:54] <seb128> happyaron, also what's the status of the openconnect sru? p_itti had review comments about that SRU
[13:54] <happyaron> seb128: ok ty
[13:56] <happyaron> seb128: haven't looked at that yet, was stuck at nm-a polkit patch merge...
[14:04] <seb128> happyaron, updated what?
[14:07] <happyaron> seb128: upstream made some changes to their code on VPN handling logic but I'm quite new to polkit things which we maintain delta for that part
[14:14] <seb128> desrt, could you review the gnome-menus patch from andyrock on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1506744/comments/42 ? that's the one you discussed in Prague
[14:14] <seb128> andyrock, can you upstream ^ btw?
[14:14] <andyrock> sure
[14:14] <andyrock> but not sure they are going to accept a simple timeout fix
[14:14] <seb128> happyaron, hello?
[14:18] <happyaron> yes?
[14:47] <desrt> this patch...
[14:49] <desrt> no.  not cool.
[14:50] <desrt> how can i review a patch that's attached inline like that?
[14:50] <Laney> copy and paste :(
[14:50] <Laney> hi desrt!
[14:50] <desrt> hey :)
[15:01] <desrt> andyrock: review is on the bug.  you've been very very naughty.
[15:03] <andyrock> a global timeout can cause starvation
[15:03] <andyrock> desrt: ^^^
[15:03] <desrt> yes.  it can.
[15:03] <desrt> but not really
[15:04] <desrt> i can't imagine a situation in which the system applications directory is constantly churning non-stop
[15:04] <desrt> the upgrade (or whatever) is going to finish at some point
[15:04] <andyrock> yeah but it can happen that you see results after 1 minute
[15:05] <desrt> so?
[15:05] <seb128> yeah again, was on the wrong side of an ircsplit seems
[15:05] <andyrock> so multiple timeouts are better imho
[15:05] <desrt> the way apt works with the unpack-and-then-configure approach means that you might want to wait a bit before trying to run that app you just installed, anyway
[15:05] <desrt> if you want to stick with the multiple timeout approach, that's cool too.  i have a suggestion in the bug to deal with that approach more elegantly
[15:05] <desrt> ie: no need to keep the list
[15:06] <seb128> oh, seems like I missed some discussions
[15:06] <seb128> desrt, thanks for reviewing ;-)
[15:06] <desrt> no prob.
[15:06] <seb128> happyaron, did you pong while I was on the other server? ;-)
[15:06] <andyrock> cool i'll take a look later
[15:08] <happyaron> seb128: yep but without mentioning your name
[15:09] <seb128> happyaron, sorry there was some irc disconnect ... what did you update? ;-)
[15:10] <happyaron> it was ==> upstream made some changes to their code on VPN handling logic but I'm quite new to polkit things which we maintain delta for that part
[15:10] <seb128> oh ok, I guess that's for the .2 update
[15:10] <happyaron> yep
[15:10] <seb128> yeah, unsure about those patches to not show some items in the greeter
[15:10] <seb128> that probably should be upstreamed
[15:11] <seb128> anyway that's less urgent but could you
[15:11] <seb128> 1- update the 3 nm-applet SRU bugs to have their SRU description?
[15:11] <seb128> that should take like 10 minutes
[15:12] <happyaron> I've updated one of nm-applet sru bug, shall I update all the three?
[15:12] <seb128> yes
[15:12] <seb128> they need a impact/testcase/regression potential
[15:12] <seb128> like
[15:12] <happyaron> ok
[15:12] <seb128> Impact: segfault for some users
[15:12] <seb128> Test case: the e.u.c report should show no entry for the new version
[15:12] <happyaron> doing now
[15:12] <seb128> thanks
[15:13] <seb128> happyaron, 2- we should SRU the openvpn/etc to at least 1.2.0, that's probably trivial and could be done before nm-applet if that one is harder
[15:13] <seb128> happyaron, and 3- but that might be 1.5, try to unblock the NM SRU, I think it needs to check that the kubuntu regression is fixed and talk to the SRU team about copying it to updates
[15:14] <seb128> then we can look at the 1.2.2 updates
[15:14] <happyaron> seb128: we need all the VPN plugins to be >= 1.2.0, I can only get pptp work with the archive version
[15:14] <happyaron> ok
[15:14] <seb128> thanks
[15:16] <seb128> happyaron, archive is 1.1.93 for pptp, agree with should update to 1.2.0 ;-)
[15:17] <happyaron> yep
[15:17] <seb128> same though that one seems to have no code change to 1.2.0
[15:17] <seb128> some in 1.2.2 though
[15:18] <happyaron> and we are lucky cuz pptp plugin is the only one we ship by default
[15:18] <seb128> what's the issue with pptp, I'm unsure I understood
[15:19] <happyaron> no issue with pptp, but all other plugins have issues
[15:19] <seb128> urg
[15:20] <happyaron> can't see connection options at all after installation & reboot
[15:20] <seb128> in the release?
[15:20] <seb128> or when we update to 1.2.0?
[15:20] <happyaron> in the release
[15:20] <seb128> is that fixed upstream?
[15:21] <happyaron> haven't tested, but reading some commits it looks like only a 1.2 version checking problem
[15:21] <seb128> k, well those that we have on 1.1.93 should be fine
[15:22] <happyaron> they're on my list this week
[15:22] <seb128> but e.g openconnect was not updated before release
[15:22] <seb128> great
[15:22] <seb128> I let you work then
[15:22] <seb128> let me know if you need any help or sponsoring
[15:22] <happyaron> ty
[15:29] <willcooke> seb128, I'm on a call still, would you mind starting the meeting?
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, I can do, no problem
[15:29] <willcooke> seb128, actually just wrapping upo
[15:29] <willcooke> up
[15:30] <seb128> willcooke, as you want
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-24
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 24 15:30:21 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <seb128> :-)
[15:30] <willcooke> Hi all, sorry running a few mins late
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (hols), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <seb128> hey!
[15:31] <desrt> greetings, humans
[15:32] <FJKong> --. -.
[15:32] <dgadomski> o/
[15:32] <qengho> SYNACK
[15:33] <willcooke> oki, me & desrt have to scoot at the top of the hour, so lets do this thing
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey
[15:33] <andyrock> # Fixed a problem with applications lens not correctly displaying entries inside directories with - in the name
[15:34] <willcooke> \o/
[15:34] <andyrock> # Started to work on fix a little bit the show desktop icon
[15:34] <andyrock> # Code reviews
[15:34] <andyrock> # eof
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:35] <attente> hi
[15:35] <attente> holiday yesterday
[15:35] <attente> spent some time debugging the galculator snapcraft
[15:35] <attente> trying to reduce the delta between ubuntu software and gnome software. some patches merged upstream
[15:35] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> good work on the upstreaming
[15:35] <willcooke> is there much more to do>?
[15:35] <attente> yeah...
[15:36] <willcooke> oki, we'll get there.  Let me know if you need anything from me
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <seb128> we should maybe consider a bugfix SRU meanwhile...?
[15:36] <desrt> also a short week here (same holiday as attente).  had a really good chat last week with the RH guys that changed the approach to the dconf confinement -- but am now on a much better path.  it seems like i will now confine all of dconf, not just gsettings.
[15:36] <desrt> also did some very initial work on improving debian support in jhbuild.
[15:36] <desrt> various patch reviewing
[15:36] <desrt> eof
[15:37] <qengho> Nice.
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> seb128, attente - let's talk SRU after the meeting?
[15:37] <seb128> yes
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hey
[15:38] <dgadomski> * spend some time on trying to reproduce bug 1585256 - no luck so far, reported upstream
[15:38] <dgadomski> * debugging a case where in presence of libmtp proprietary printer drivers break - this probably is not a Ubuntu bug, but need more investigation to be sure
[15:38] <dgadomski> * did a fair amount of snappy reading and made first snaps - I would appreciate any desktop-specific info in that area to start with
[15:38] <dgadomski> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:38] <willcooke> let's pick up desktop snaps later this week
[15:38] <willcooke> maybe tomorrow?
[15:39] <dgadomski> works for me, thanks
[15:39] <willcooke> re: libmtp - tkamppeter might be able to help there as well
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <FJKong> hi
[15:39] <FJKong> sogou IM:
[15:39] <FJKong> some error message output from QML, should be diable by default.
[15:39] <FJKong> page up and down not work some time expet for cliking by mouse, hot
[15:39] <FJKong> key binding problem.
[15:39] <FJKong> could not swith out IM in some app.
[15:39] <FJKong> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:40] <happyaron> Mostly network-manager related:
[15:40] <happyaron> 1. rebasing nm/nm-applet to 1.2.2 release
[15:40] <happyaron> 2. tested archive versions of most nm plugins/components
[15:40] <happyaron> 3. work with oem guys for their priority bugs
[15:40] <happyaron> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:41] <willcooke> let's speak in our 1:1 re upstreaming the patches etc
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> * ezoom: fixed the multimonitor problem with the panels that exceeded their monitor boundaries, fixed problems with nux not being aware of the monitor it renders to.
[15:41] <willcooke> * unity: rendering optimisations
[15:41] <willcooke> - panels should be only rendered in the monitor they belong to (clip the panel geometry parts that don't intersect the panel monitor's geometry): https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.panel-draw-optimisation/+merge/295187
[15:41] <willcooke> - paintDisplay is called per output and draws in all outputs => if we have N outputs we draw every component NxN times.. I replaced that with a paintOutput function  that clips the content around the output boundaries => content is rendered once (at the time the output it belongs to is rendered). https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.optimised-rendering-mmon/revision/4108 (this fix revealed other issues with the blur
[15:41] <willcooke> update so I don't do an MP before I fix them, I might temporary use the paintOutput in low gfx mode - where there is no blur => no issue)
[15:41] <willcooke> *OEM project: begun document, installations, environment setup
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42]  * desrt waits for her fill of unicode
[15:42] <Laney> • Mainly worked on the theme for 3.20. Looks bad but less bad than it did. Slowly getting there.
[15:42] <Laney> • Also sponsored a couple of SRUs and updates (appstream, glib-networking
[15:42] <Laney> • , theme, some fonts)
[15:42] <Laney> • Found a fix for virt-manager screenshot taking, uploaded that
[15:42] <Laney> • Reviewed hughsie's gnome-software docs & gave feedback to him
[15:42] <Laney> • Got alerted(!) about lack of space on the appstream box, made the volume bigger with a little bit of downtime
[15:42] <Laney> • Mitigated an appstream bug where it used a lot of CPU for most xenial users
[15:42] <Laney> • Had some discussions and feedback about systemd --user
[15:42] <Laney> • Got old (current) dep11 generator running locally on full mirror, will work on this stuff after GTK
[15:42] <Laney> 🙇
[15:42] <desrt> colour!
[15:42] <Laney> I got a ? :(
[15:43]  * Laney is yet to see a colour font
[15:43] <desrt> irccloud lives in the web -- emojis work here
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:43] <desrt> we're discussing colour fonts at the gtk hackfest next month
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:43] <qengho> 'sup!
[15:43] <qengho> - Chromium deb up-to-date.
[15:43] <qengho> - Chromium snap INPROGRESS.
[15:43] <qengho> -- font-config crasher at startup. Ugh.
[15:43] <qengho> -- old-security "unconfined" interface now dead, so recording exceptions for new.
[15:43] <qengho> EOF
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:44] <seb128> • theme of the week was SRU, trying to get fixes for the important reports/oem team bugs
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ fixed u-s-d segfaulting when a touch screen is reconnecting when configured (which some panels seem to do)
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ hit some other xerror on similar situations with input device while trying to reproduce, looked at them as well
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ review/sponsored fix for bluetooth keyboard pairing issue
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ reviewed Trevinho u-s-d proxy and backlight changes
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ debugged indicator-power icon being buggy when idevice are attached
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ fixed libopenobex segfault
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ daily review of incoming launchpad bugs
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ backported upstream libimobiledevice fix for proxy not working with gnutls, should fix interaction with some iOS 8+ devices
[15:44] <seb128> ∘ triagged some nm bugs, nagged aron/mathieu with some patches to backports and bugs to look at, tried to help to get SRUs going (sponsoring)
[15:44] <seb128> • tested some of the in-proposed SRUs to help moving them to updates
[15:44] <seb128> • backport improvements to the gnome-calculator snap based on Trevinho's work on hello-unity (no more static file or arch definition!)
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[15:44] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - work on snap stuff
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - got a libreoffice 5.2 alpha 1 to finish building in snapcraft
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - can run the binary from the snap from outside (yay?), but not wrapped in ubuntu-core-launcher even with --devmode (nay)
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> -> libreoffice segfaults after a "you run me against libpng16, while I was build against libpng12" which is weird: I dont know where it even finds the libpng16  ...
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - added gdb and strace again to the snap to be able to do debugging from "inside" the snap to figure out what is going on ...
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - backups, cleanup
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - set up my yakkety pbuilder/jenkins foo
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> - usual upstream meetings and politics ...
[15:45] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Completed log file facility for cups-browsed.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Fixes on the documentation.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Investigations on cups-browsed shutdown hanging (bug 1579905): CUPS goes down before cups-browsed, but must go down after cups-browsed. Investigations how to do this with systemd.
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students to get started with their projects
[15:46] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:46] <willcooke> · Prepared SRU for BAMF and unity
[15:46] <willcooke> · Some progress in getting electron apps snapped in unconfined mode
[15:46] <willcooke> · Updated upower patch for getting actual kbd backlight value (SRU in
[15:46] <willcooke> progress too)
[15:46] <willcooke> · Backported some commits from gnome-settings-daemon
[15:46] <willcooke> · Fixed freedesktop Screensaver implementation in u-s-d to use g-s if possible
[15:46] <willcooke> · Reviews
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:47] <willcooke> - LightDM in-session greeter work
[15:47] <willcooke> - Yakkety package updates
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:47] <willcooke> Please think of a desktop snap and add it to that doc I sent round by email
[15:48] <willcooke> As of a few hours ago I have access to Taleo, and we've got 13 applications in there.  I'm doing a first round sift now
[15:48] <willcooke> hopefully we'll have some interviews lined up soon
[15:48] <seb128> what is Taleo?
[15:49] <seb128> I guess HR related website
[15:49] <seb128> ?
[15:49] <Laney> it's the site that people apply through
[15:49] <seb128> thanks
[15:49] <willcooke> Yeah, it's the 3rd party site that hosts all our job applications
[15:49] <Laney> the job advert is under taleo.com
[15:49] <Sweet5hark1> good news! new victims on the team!
[15:49] <Laney> I assume it adds a LOT of value to the process
[15:49] <willcooke> so people see the job ad, and then can apply through there, attach a CV, etc etc
[15:49] <willcooke> and it now sends me an email when that happens
[15:49] <willcooke> yay
[15:50] <Laney> On February 9, 2012, Oracle Corporation acquired Taleo Corporation for $1.9 billion.[4]
[15:50]  * Sweet5hark1 hand Laney a cookie to recharge his snark.
[15:50]  * Laney winds his neck in
[15:51] <willcooke> blimey.  Thats a lot of money for a pretty straight forward web app
[15:51] <seb128> sorry for derailing a bit the topic ;-)
[15:51] <willcooke> :))
[15:51] <seb128> looking forward to see if we have good candidates!
[15:51] <willcooke> anyone got anything else before we wrap?
[15:51] <seb128> just pointing out https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/gnome-calculator-snap again
[15:51] <seb128> which is the gnome-calculator snap we worked together in Prague
[15:51] <willcooke> dgadomski, ^
[15:51] <seb128> I've backported the recent work from Trevinho
[15:52] <seb128> I think it has most of the "common snap tricks" needed for desktop
[15:52] <seb128> so useful to look there before redoing the same work ;-)
[15:52] <dgadomski> thanks, will definitely look into this
[15:52] <willcooke> jdstrand also has fixed issues in the U7 interface too, so things should be a bit easier
[15:52] <seb128> yeah
[15:53] <seb128> though for new we try to get things working in --devmode
[15:53] <seb128> so while having confinement triggering less issues is nice those are not blockers
[15:54] <willcooke> yes, worth stressing that, use devmode if you have issues for now
[15:55] <jdstrand> but file bugs!
[15:55] <dgadomski> is there an official snappy desktop image to test the snaps on?
[15:55] <jdstrand> it won't ever get fixed if we don't know about them :)
[15:55] <willcooke> that ^
[15:55] <willcooke> :)
[15:55] <willcooke> dgadomski, 16.04 is the official version
[15:55] <willcooke> just use your desktop!  nice and easy
[15:55] <dgadomski> I like that :)
[15:56] <Laney> haha
[15:57] <willcooke> ok, gonna wrap and go to next meeting.
[15:57] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 24 15:57:07 2016 UTC.
[15:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-05-24-15.30.moin.txt
[15:57] <willcooke> seb128, attente - wanna talk SRUs?  I will follow async
[15:57] <attente> yeah, but we have the security meeting right?
[15:57] <seb128> right
[15:58] <Laney> attente: you and robert should parallelise the work if you can
[15:58] <Laney> both the SRU and the upstreaming are important
[15:58] <Laney> but luckily there are two people!
[15:58] <Laney> :P
[15:58] <attente> yeah, i know
[15:59] <attente> i have that rebased version 3.20.2 in a ppa, but just by testing it seems worse than what's currently in archive
[15:59] <seb128> attente, Laney, willcooke, not a lot to talk about, I still think that if the rebase is difficult/going to take longer we should SRU some easy fixes, especially the ones for launching not working and the notifications being too naggy
[16:00] <attente> seb128: can you try out the ppa and see if it's better/worse for you?
[16:00] <seb128> but up to whoever is doing the work
[16:00] <seb128> attente, sure, likely tomorrow now though ... is that your ppa?
[16:00] <attente> yeah, https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-software
[16:00] <Laney> just don't want the upstreaming to be derailed all the time by different issues coming up
[16:00] <willcooke> attente, oh, sorry forgot you were in that meeting as well
[16:00] <Laney> please use both people
[16:00] <Laney> that's my input
[16:00] <willcooke> and seb
[16:01] <willcooke> doh
[16:01] <attente> well maybe if you guys find that ppa to be ok, we can use it
[16:01] <Laney> have a fun meeting
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, thanks, want to join to talk dconf confinement? ;-
[16:04] <seb128> ;-)
[16:04] <Laney> not that relevant to me I don't think
[16:05] <seb128> yeah, I was mostly sharing the topic so you don't feel left out ;-)
[16:05]  * Laney is alright with not knowing about meetings :P
[16:16] <seb128> pitti, what determines if translations are stripped from debs on the buildds?
[16:17] <seb128> pitti, is that "main" or "universe + X-Ubuntu-Use-Langpack: yes"?
[16:19] <cyphermox> seb128: is anyone currently looking into packagekit?
[16:19] <seb128> cyphermox, what specifically about it?
[16:19] <seb128> cyphermox, hey btw, aren't you supposed to be on holidays? ;-)
[16:19] <cyphermox> transition from proposed
[16:19] <cyphermox> I was on holiday yesterday
[16:19] <seb128> doko started the transition
[16:19] <seb128> oh ok
[16:19] <seb128> I though it was for the week
[16:19] <seb128> so I guess doko is handling it
[16:19] <seb128> I pinged him about it on devel friday
[16:20] <cyphermox> nope, saving it for my wedding ;)
[16:20] <cyphermox> ok
[16:20] <seb128> oh, congrats! :-)
[16:20] <seb128> but otherwise nobody from our side afaikl
[16:20] <cyphermox> ok
[16:20] <seb128> I think the thing to do is to drop aptdaemon-pkkitcompat
[16:20] <seb128> and use packagekit proper
[16:20] <cyphermox> right
[16:20] <seb128> if you want to look at that...
[16:20] <cyphermox> sounds about right
[16:21] <cyphermox> I'll see if I can
[16:21] <Laney> it would be good to drop aptdaemon completely
[16:21] <Laney> but this is an okay thing to do first
[16:22] <seb128> right
[16:22] <seb128> dropping aptdaemon is a lot more work
[16:22] <cyphermox> right, but I need to finish up with this secure boot stuff first anyway
[16:22] <seb128> the compat thing is probably trivial
[16:24] <ximion> Laney: did you read part of what the Scribus maintainer and I wrote about on #debian-devel in your absence yesterday?
[16:24] <ximion> tl;dr: can you please reprocess the AppStream metadata for Scribus in Yakkety?
[16:25] <Laney> hello ximion
[16:25] <Laney> didn't you think this was some problem of out of date contents?
[16:25] <Laney> I don't buy that if it went from -2 to -3
[16:25] <Laney> unless this added new icons or something
[16:25]  * Laney looks
[16:26] <Laney> mmm ok it did
[16:26] <Laney> jeez looking in Contents is the worst
[16:27] <ximion> Laney: you are right, I thought it added icons in hicolor, because mapreri added them for scribus-ng...
[16:27] <ximion> ah, wrong
[16:27] <ximion> I looked at xenial
[16:27] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/261102735/scribus_1.4.6+dfsg-2build1_1.4.6+dfsg-3.diff.gz
[16:27] <Laney> I need to make it look in usr/share/metainfo too
[16:27] <ximion> grr, why does Konversation want to open all links in Gwenview today?
[16:28] <Laney> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbblehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[16:28]  * Laney melts into a puddle
[16:28] <ximion> Laney: https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11/commit/4f05cc123672f15e4d94dd36c5b6ffe8f3d574ae
[16:29] <ximion> you really want all the patches up to Git master in the dep11-generator repo
[16:29] <ximion> they either fix bugs or add non-breaking changes to the validator
[16:30] <Laney> i know
[16:30] <Laney> I merged it
[16:30] <ximion> Laney: but even if it doesn't find the metainfo file, it should have found the icons and processed just the .desktop file
[16:31] <Laney> does it look in contents for the current deb too?
[16:31]  * Laney forgot
[16:31] <ximion> so this is A) a bug in the generator, or B) an out-of-date Contents file
[16:31]  * ximion votes B
[16:32] <ximion> Laney: no, bt it looks in Contents if the current deb file doesn't contain the icons
[16:32] <ximion> which is the case here
[16:32] <Laney> because of -data ?
[16:33] <ximion> and if it then doesn't find the icons because the Contents file is out of date, we get the error
[16:33] <ximion> yes, exactly
[16:33] <Laney> thmani
[16:33] <Laney> erm
[16:33] <Laney> man*
[16:33] <Laney> I remember warning about this problem
[16:33] <Laney> when I wrote a patch to look through dependencies
[16:33] <Laney> which was rejected
[16:33]  * Laney finds that and merges it too
[16:33] <ximion> Laney: the new asgen generator fixes this in a very neat way, which is also quite performant
[16:35]  * ximion puts up asgen ad banners
[16:35] <ximion> ;-)
[16:35] <Laney> get the import and immutable done :)
[16:36] <ximion> what's import?
[16:36] <Laney> xenial
[16:36] <ximion> immutable is scheduled for the next release, might even be the next thing I will be working on
[16:37] <ximion> I'm afraid you will just need to freeze xenial manually, by making the media/ directory static, and having the new generator use a different directory
[16:38] <ximion> that will also ensure you can't break xenial
[16:39] <ximion> importing the existing xenial data into asgen would be some really serious effort for almost no gain
[16:39] <Laney> sharing the media
[16:40] <Laney> not reprocessing the same things
[16:40] <ximion> (asgen changes almost all internal data structures, allowing to have other distros use asgen as well and making it faster overall)
[16:40] <ximion> make a media2/media-files/etc. directory for asgen
[16:41] <ximion> or, well, actually... maybe that is not necessary, because asgen stores it's data in media/pool now, so the old stuff could stay
[16:45] <Laney> we'll see how it goes
[16:45] <Laney> I'm not working on this in the very near future
[16:47] <ximion> Laney: I'll tell you when the immutable stuff is done
[16:47] <ximion> I want this for Debian too, later
[16:47] <Laney> okay, thanks
[16:48]  * Laney forgot how to reprocess one version of a package
[16:48] <ximion> when that is done, you should consider using the new tool though, as all the new development is happening there
[16:48] <Laney> forget takes a pkgid?
[16:48] <Laney> as well as a name
[16:48] <ximion> Laney: I think you can pass the generator a partial package-id, something like "foobar/1.0"
[16:49] <ximion> but I haven't looked at the code for a while
[16:49] <ximion> good reminder, I should implement that in asgen too
[16:50] <Laney> don't see any code like that
[16:50] <Laney>         if '/' in pkid:
[16:50] <Laney>             if not self._cache.package_exists(pkid):
[16:50] <Laney>                 print("Package with ID '%s' does not exist." % (pkid))
[16:50] <Laney>                 return
[16:50] <Laney>             self._cache.remove_package(pkid)
[16:51] <ximion> ah, looks like you'll need to give it a full package-id then
[16:51] <ximion> meh
[16:51] <ximion> so, run that command for all arches, basically
[16:53] <Laney> I'm going to check that scribus actually has gotten into contents first...
[16:54] <ximion> btw, your patch if I remember correctly was to build and internal contents cache... with apt_pkgs slow DebFile, this will slow down the generator a lot
[16:55] <Laney> you don't remember
[16:55] <Laney> it only did it in the not found case
[16:55] <Laney> but actually that was only for absolute paths so it doesn't help here
[16:56] <ximion> right, we would need to know where the icons might be first
[16:57] <Laney> you could pass the icon finder the packages to look in, in addition to contents
[16:58] <Laney> not going to do that if this is going to be replaced before yakkety though
[16:59] <ximion> Laney: the new generator uses the md5sums files of packages and scans them directly
[16:59] <ximion> since all the logic is written in D and C, this is pretty fast
[16:59] <ximion> we also build an internal cache of icon data, which is really fast to query
[16:59] <ximion> so, this basically kills all the issues we ever had with outdated caches and missing icons
[17:00] <ximion> except for one: because we are reading the md5sums file, we don't see symbolic links
[17:00] <ximion> so, if someone symlinks a .desktop file or icon, we're out of luckj
[17:00] <ximion> so far, only libreoffice does that though ^^
[17:00] <ximion> (and a few games)
[17:01] <ximion> fixing the packages is way easier here, since reading the whole tarball compared to just the md5sums file is very slow again
[17:01] <Laney> yes I remember
[17:01] <Laney> I proposed this to you a few weeks ago :P
[17:02] <ximion> (especially since only a few packages (less than 20, last time I checked) do this, and in case someone symlinks a .desktop file, I would even consider this to be a bug)
[17:02]  * Laney checks scribus gets forgotten
[17:02] <ximion> Laney: jup - amd with that, building our own contents cache became feasible in the first place ^^
[17:03] <ximion> some packages don't have md5sums files, but those are usually metapackages or udebs, which we don't care about anyway
[17:04] <Laney> that probably means there's no files
[17:06] <Laney> meh think it was already running
[17:07] <Laney> will have to happen next time
[17:10] <Laney> oh maybe it just didn't say anything for the pkgid case
[17:10] <Laney> we'll see
[17:10] <Laney> see you!
[17:27] <willcooke> dinner, bbl
[19:10] <willcooke> man, I'm a culinary genius!  Started making tomorrow nights tomato sauce for meatballs already, and it's very good even if I do say so myself.  Can't really remember how much of what I put in though.  Next time moar science
[19:25] <pitti> seb128: you can use NO_PKG_MANGLE=1
[19:39] <willcooke> qengho, I'd like to leave early tomorrow, could we move our 1:1 a little earlier? In fact, isn't our 1:1 right in the middle of your lunch break - so we could move to up like 2 hours from now on if that helps?
[20:05] <willcooke> qengho, lemme know if that will be a problem ^
[20:05] <willcooke> signing off.
[20:05] <willcooke> night all
[21:12] <pitti> Trevinho: the trusty SRU in the queue needs to be rebuilt with correct -V; it spans a gazillion upload records, all of them (and thus the bug #s) need to be included into the source.changes and into Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed:, and they all need SRU information
[21:13] <pitti> Trevinho: oh wait, this is just https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-045/+sourcepub/6291052/+listing-archive-extra having a completely bogus/useless diff
[21:13] <pitti> *sigh*, SRUs from silos are a pain -- can't we upload them instead of copying from a PPA?
[21:51] <robert_ancell> Sweet5hark1, libreoffice needs a rebuild against the new poppler - I'll leave that one for you :)
[21:51] <Sweet5hark1> robert_ancell: ya
[21:53] <Sweet5hark1> robert_ancell: as it happens I was already building LO 1:5.1.3-0ubuntu4 at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging-proposed because it was broken by the mdds update already.
[21:53] <robert_ancell> Sweet5hark1, yeah, I figured there'd be an upload anyway
[21:53] <robert_ancell> Sweet5hark1, when is 5.2 landing?
[21:54] <Sweet5hark1> robert_ancell: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan <- still a bit off
[23:53] <Trevinho> pitti: do you want me to upload a debdiff of that instead?