[14:14] <Kilos> see if you can read the log for the 23rd
[14:15] <Kilos> zaki here
[14:32] <zaki> hmm
[14:35] <zaki> he just replyed.
[14:35] <zaki> Fouad Bajwa the only admin of Ubuntu Pakistan FB Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntu.pakistan.team
[14:35] <Kilos> try and get them to come here zaki
[14:36] <zaki> yess, just said it to come here.
[14:37] <Kilos> tell them all that are having problems to hang out here
[14:39] <zaki> query mustu
[14:39] <Kilos> elacheche when you going to show alive here
[14:40] <zaki> he just gave me his nick may be.
[14:41] <Kilos> no thats a board member friend of mine
[14:41] <Kilos> he will help sort these problems out hopefullt
[14:42] <Kilos> hopefully
[14:45] <mustu> zaki:
[14:45] <zaki> thenks man.
[14:45] <Kilos> hi mustu
[14:45] <mustu> hi Kilos
[14:46] <mustu> So, what's the agenda ?
[14:46] <Kilos> i hear you are having problems joining ubuntu-pk
[14:47] <mustu> nope
[14:47] <Kilos> i will try get it sorted out but i work only from irc not fb
[14:47] <Kilos> explain?
[14:48] <mustu> can you explain why you believe i've problems join the IRC channel?
[14:48] <mustu> zaki:  why I'm here?
[14:48] <Kilos> no problems with joining the official ubuntu loco there
[14:49] <mustu> Kilos: zaki  guys can you please get straight and ask why you've asked me here...
[14:49] <Kilos> i wanted your feedback on if there are problems joining the pk loco and what they are
[14:50] <zaki> oky i'm trying to find why is ubuntu pakistan community is inactive in irc or there facebook group or page.
[14:50] <mustu> lack of volunteers.. people don't give a damn
[14:50] <mustu> volunteering and community are the words that doesn't get much attention in public...
[14:51] <Kilos> even new users of ubuntu
[14:51] <Kilos> i am trying to grow and spread ubuntu
[14:51] <mustu> there are thousands of Ubuntu users.. but they aren't using Ubuntu because they like it .. somehow they got into using ubuntu and they aren't passionate about either Ubuntu or OpenSource..
[14:51] <zaki> mustu, you tell me that some old admin is controlling this platform and not letting you people help others.
[14:51] <Kilos> the whole community council is
[14:51] <mustu> so why would they waste their time
[14:52] <mustu> Kilos: well that's old news... I haven't tried to get into the ^Official^ stuff since then.. I just did my volunteer work as much I could in past and now I let anyone who's interested take the control and lead the community but there aren't many
[14:53] <mustu> Fouad Bajwa is the guy who first got into LoCo Councils and had control over the mailing list  and other official stuff... but for him it was a badge he won't let any other wear
[14:54] <Kilos> if you check there are many locos worldwide that are collapsing
[14:54] <Kilos> we are trying to revive them
[14:54] <mustu> we approached him but he discarded us and forced to work "under" him .. typical indopak shit mentality
[14:55] <mustu> when we started the community fan page for Ubuntu Pakistan he even threatened us that he will take legal action against us like Ubuntu Pakistan was his trademark..
[14:55] <Kilos> thats a shame
[14:55] <Kilos> ubuntu is for everyone
[14:55] <Kilos> no politics must be allowed to interfere
[14:56] <mustu> So we didn't bothered with him and kept our volunteer efforts.. did arranged few meetups.. distributed CDs from our pocket expense.. offered food at our expense.. but public response wasn't encouraging ..
[14:57] <mustu> We were active in three major cities in PK at that time.. you can check the event pictures.. but ofcourse one can only volunteer for a limited  time.. community need to take over every volunteer and give a fresh wave
[14:57] <Kilos> yes of course
[14:58] <mustu> I believe it doesn't matter if we use the ^official IRC channel, mailing list or not.. what only matters is the community efforts
[14:58] <mustu> People should gather and share their knowledge and interest... at any place anywhere
[14:58] <Kilos> the official irc channel and mailing lists should be open to everyone
[14:59] <mustu> well I talked to LoCo council and they asked me to open a case and then they will review and see if ownership of lists should be moved..
[14:59] <mustu> I'm really not after that ownership stuff so I didn't worked on tht
[15:00] <Kilos> aha who did you talk to and when, ill revive the case
[15:00] <mustu> well I don't remember I talked in the LoCo channel here at freenode
[15:00] <Kilos> locoteams?
[15:00] <mustu> well you can revive and if you've a fresh lot of volunteers you should participate
[15:01] <mustu> I'm out of that thread now
[15:01] <mustu> You can open to that community page we've been running
[15:01] <mustu> I can make you admin
[15:01] <mustu> do whatever you can for the community
[15:01] <Kilos> thats fine , will you be here if anyone needs any information please
[15:01] <mustu> I'm no ^owner^ of any community stuff.. neither shoud anyone be
[15:02] <Kilos> i am from south africa
[15:02] <mustu> well... I lost my IRC app after changing the app store..
[15:02] <zaki> i am from bangladesh.
[15:02] <mustu> shitty Apple is asking me to buy the app again.. so I'm not frequent on IRC these days
[15:02] <Kilos> i revived many locos in africa and so now took on reviving the rest of the world
[15:03] <mustu> Kilos:  are you part of the loco council?
[15:03] <Kilos> i am on the membership board , but helping the council with revivals because everyone is very busy most of the time
[15:08] <mustu> alright...
[15:08] <mustu> Kilos: I don't want to get into any discussion with Fouad Bajwa. I'm sure he will get upset you will take the ownership from him.
[15:08] <Kilos> i will do my best to try get things running smoothly there
[15:09] <Kilos> thats his problem
[15:09] <mustu> Meanwhile let me find the right guy to handover the ownership of official communication platform.
[15:09] <mustu> I'm quite occupied and won't be able to do justice
[15:09] <Kilos> if he wants to run ubuntu there he must follow the ubuntu code of conduct
[15:10] <mustu> second I recommend you to not let anyone ^Own^ the list and official team membership..  I wasn't accepted into to loco team at Ubuntu website. That was rude and against community ethics
[15:11] <mustu> Make sure people are only "Moderator" not the "Owners"
[15:11] <Kilos> the loco team is a closed group
[15:12] <Kilos> but i know some of them so will discuss the problem with them
[15:12] <mustu> alright
[15:29] <zaki> Kilos, what are you thinking?
[15:29] <Kilos> im thinking how best to handle these situations
[15:30] <Kilos> we dont have them in ZA, we are all friends and all welcome newcomers
[15:30] <zaki> oky. is there anything i can help you?
[15:30] <Kilos> only spammers and trolls get put into place
[15:33] <Kilos> ty for finding where the problem is and keep in touch with those guys in case when i get a council member to get involved he can get info
[15:33] <Kilos> ok?
[15:34] <zaki> oky.
[15:34] <Kilos> and feel free to chat to me anytime
[15:34] <zaki> i will try..
[15:34] <Kilos> just be patient if i take long to answer
[15:35] <Kilos> i could be working outside
[15:37] <zaki> oky. understood :)
[16:07] <elacheche> Kilos: I'm technically still in my wedding holiday :p
[16:07] <elacheche> Hey all :)
[16:07] <Kilos> lol sorry
[16:08] <Kilos> can you read scroll back and save it please
[16:08] <Kilos> we have work
[16:10] <elacheche> I'm saving it to read it later :D :)
[16:11] <elacheche> Kilos: We have too much work to do :)
[16:11] <elacheche> I know that.. I have something to suggst as well..
[16:11] <Kilos> yes
[16:12] <elacheche> Why you don't apply for a position in the LoCo Council? They'll have free seats soon :) → So do we (Membership board, I'll kickoff this subject asap, we still have time to move)
[16:14] <Kilos> lol
[16:14] <Kilos> you people getting me involved everywhere
[16:15] <Kilos> belkie already asked me to apply
[16:15] <Kilos> i just dont know when im going to aus
[16:26] <elacheche> No problem :) You'll get your honeymoon then come back :p
[16:31] <Kilos> lol