[05:34] <lauri> Is there any way to prevent terminal app from suspending running programs?
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> lauri: what are you trying to keep up?
[05:53] <lauri> lotuspsychje: an ssh session
[05:54] <lauri> interestingly apt seems to run as expected
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> lauri: are you using an app for ssh or raw from terminal?
[05:57] <lauri> the latter one
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> didnt know we had ssh by default on touch?
[05:57] <lauri> apt install openssh-server was the first thing I did
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> lauri: on your touch phone?
[05:58] <lauri> yes
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> lauri: installing terminal apps isnt the right way to go
[05:58] <lauri> why?
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> lauri: it breaks your updates i think
[06:01] <lauri> Are you sure? Where can I see indication that updates are broken?
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> lauri: did you unlock read/write access on your phone?
[06:01] <lauri> There is no ssh app in the Ubuntu store
[06:01] <lauri> I just did mount -o remount,rw /
[06:01] <lauri> and then apt install openssh-client
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> i dont think its recommended
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> seb128: you know this?
[06:02] <lauri> well how am I supposed to use all the command line apps then?
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> lauri: ubuntu touch is built to use click apps
[06:03] <lauri> what's the point of including apt then at all?
[06:03] <lauri> It's not much of a use for me if can't make use of all the software components in apt
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> lauri: updates in settings still work via apt
[06:04] <lauri> lotuspsychje: ?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> lauri: you cant use classic terminal apps the way you do on ubuntu desktop on phone
[06:05] <lauri> what is the reasoning?
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> lauri: safety and stability
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> lauri: you can install terminal apps, after unlocking your phone, but then official updates break
[06:06] <lauri> and what is the actual problem
[06:06] <lauri> what constitutes as "unlocking the phone"
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> lauri: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> read the 'enable read/write mode'
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> lauri: see also the developer mode part, where ssh is mentioned
[06:11] <lauri> lotuspsychje: who said I am or want to be an app developer? I am interested in other things..
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> lauri: dont shoot the messenger
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> lauri: i didnt invent this system
[06:12] <lauri> I get that delta updates would be disabled if I fool around with the root filesystem. I guess updates over apt would still work right?
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> lauri: its your phone, fool around how you like just keep in mind liek the site says you may result in complete data loss
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> its not recommended to do..
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> if you want trasnfer files anyhow, try out some real apps
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> like wifitransfer, etc
[06:14] <lauri> like what? SSH is the only sensible protocol for transferring files
[06:14] <lauri> I'm not a dumbuser, I just asked a particular question - how can prevent terminal apps from being suspended by the terminal emulator
[06:14] <lauri> I want to access my servers on the go
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> emulator?
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> your on the real phone or ubuntu-touch emulator?
[06:16] <lauri> sigh, terminal emulator is the app that shows the command line
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> terminal..
[06:16] <lauri> tnhis wifitransfer app uses ftp protocol ...
[06:16] <lauri> ftp is not even encrypted
[06:16] <RAOF> lauri: http://notyetthere.org/openstore-tweakgeek-and-more/ is probably what you're after.
[06:18] <RAOF> lauri: Note: that's for applications that break the Ubuntu Touch confinement model (such as, for example, running in the background unsupervised), which means they can do arbitrarily bad things.
[06:18] <lauri> RAOF: I *know* that, that is the security model of the whole APT ecosystem that you have to trust whoever publishes the software
[06:19] <RAOF> Right, but the security model of Ubuntu Touch is that you *do not* need to trust the publisher of the software.
[06:19] <lauri> I *get* that, but as I said I am not a regular dumbuser here
[06:20] <RAOF> I'm a Mir developer, and I'd *love* to have the desktop have that security model!
[06:20] <RAOF> This isn't dumbuser vs l33t user.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:21] <lauri> RAOF: Could you elaborate how can I check if I have broken the Ubuntu Touch OTA upgrades?
[06:21] <RAOF> lauri: I don't know, sorry. I believe what happens is that things start mysteriously not working, as bits get out of sync.
[06:22] <lauri> I thought so :D
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> lauri: did you unlock read/write the way described on the site?
[06:22] <lauri> As I said, I only did mount -o remount,rw /
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> lauri: then you didnt break nothing
[06:22] <lauri> That remounts root filesystem as read/write
[06:23] <RAOF> If you're happy with the “whatever you download can do whatever it wants” security model, then TweakGeek will allow you to get the terminal to run in the background.
[06:23] <lauri> RAOF: Thanks for the tip
[06:24] <lauri> I have other plans for my device, try to run some Python stuff to do image recognition on a robot :D
[06:27] <lauri> and since under the hood it's almost like a real Ubuntu desktop I can run/compile whatever I want
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> lauri: perhaps install ubuntu-desktop on a tablet and play with unity8
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> this way you can install anything you need
[06:29] <lauri> lotuspsychje: tablet does not exactly fit on a robot of this size...
[06:30] <lauri> lotuspsychje: what's the problem of using the device for something else than it's primary intended use? :D
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> use it how you like, just trying to widen your options here
[07:37] <mardy_> mpt: hi! The reset password functionality will be like in the U1 account: a hyperlink which will get opened in the browser
[08:17] <mcphail> I hear there is work to get the onscreen keyboard working with legacyX11 apps. As a side effect, will this also let the keyboard work with Mir SDL2 apps? Would be nice ;)
[08:42] <Jeena> Good morning I'm researching my next phone to buy and what I mostly do with my phone while commuting is that I tether to be able to use my computer and I listen to podcasts, is there some usefull podcast client for Ubuntu Touch?
[08:44] <mcphail> Jeena: podbird has worked well for me. Note, however, that you won't get background checking for ne podcasts, as the platform does not support this
[08:44] <mcphail> *new
[08:45] <davmor2> Jeena: podbird and wireless hotspot works on all devices bar nexus4 iirc
[08:46] <OsakaFoo> I use pass for my pasword storage, any ideas how I can use it with ubuntu-touch ?
[08:54] <jgdx> OsakaFoo, I don't think there's a qt/qml frontend for it
[08:55] <jgdx> but there's an armhf package for it, so it should be installable
[08:56] <OsakaFoo> jgdx: thanks
[08:56] <davmor2> OsakaFoo: there is talk of allowing the terminal app to be used to be used by apps, there is I think qtpass in the archive that could be turned into a click package and installed on the phone
[08:57] <OsakaFoo> davmor2: I had forgotten about that, might be a good first voyage into the touch sphere
[09:01] <Jeena> ok cool thanks mcphail and davmor2 I will check them out
[09:02] <OsakaFoo> also whats the state of NFC on touch, thinking about YubiKey or some smartcard
[09:03] <davmor2> OsakaFoo: not available yet
[09:03] <davmor2> OsakaFoo: I think there was work on basic implementation but then more important things took over.
[09:04] <OsakaFoo> davmor2: ah happens
[09:04] <davmor2> OsakaFoo: it will happen just too many other things that take presidents over it
[09:05] <Jeena> and podbird seems open source too, are most of the apps open source?
[09:05] <mcphail> Jeena: many are webapps, so the source is "elsewhere" ;)
[09:05] <Jeena> ah
[09:05] <mcphail> Jeena: most of the native apps are open source
[09:06] <Jeena> I had a FirefoxOS phone and wasn't really happy with most webapps
[09:06] <Jeena> but it might just have been the slow hardware
[09:07] <mcphail> Jeena: some are good, some are bad. I'm very keen to push for "decent" locally stored HTML5 apps and native apps. The platform is capable of a lot more than remote webapps
[09:10] <OsakaFoo> Elleo: is there a podbird irc channel?
[09:19] <davmor2> mcphail: I still think that webapps make sense for things that you can only do if you are online, like facebook g+ etc but I think others would benefit from not being online if they don't need to be :)
[09:21] <Elleo> OsakaFoo: nope, but happy to discuss things about it here if you have any questions
[09:22] <Elleo> OsakaFoo: it's mostly just me, nik90 and Kevin Feyder (who I don't think uses IRC much) working on it, so haven't really felt the need for a separate IRC channel yet :)
[09:24] <OsakaFoo> Elleo: no worries, do you keep lp updated with most things, was thinking to submit a little patch if I get time
[09:25] <Elleo> OsakaFoo: yeah, in general it's best to suggest patches against the devel branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~podbird-devs/podbird/devel
[09:25] <Elleo> OsakaFoo: that's where code goes first of all for testing, before going in to stable
[09:26] <mcphail> davmor2: I quite agree - that's why I said there were both good and bad ones :)
[09:26] <Elleo> OsakaFoo: thanks for helping out :)
[09:27] <OsakaFoo> Elleo: shall do :) - don't thank me yet haha still just getting used to touch dev
[09:27] <Elleo> :)
[09:29] <mcphail> Elleo: iirc, you work on the keyboard, don't you? Do you have any idea if it is going to be available to non-Qt apps? I'd heard there was work taking place to have it working with legacy XMir apps, and was wondering if, as a side effect, it would be available to SDL apps?
[09:30] <Elleo> mcphail: I think we'd need to write a specific maliit input plugin for SDL
[09:31] <mcphail> Elleo: is this something achievable for a hobbyist like me? Is the process documented?
[09:34] <Elleo> mcphail: documentation for that side of maliit is pretty non-existant I think; there's currently only two toolkit-side plugins in existance at the moment, the Qt one and the GTK one; and they're both in someways likely to be easier than SDL, as both toolkits have their own mechanisms for input methods that the maliit plugins can interface with
[09:34] <Elleo> mcphail: I don't think SDL has anything similar
[09:35] <Elleo> mcphail: oh, my mistake, seems SDL does have some support for that sort of thing: https://wiki.libsdl.org/Tutorials/TextInput
[09:36] <Elleo> mcphail: so it might be a bit more doable than I suspected, still not likely to be trivial though
[09:36] <mcphail> Elleo: yes - that's why I was hoping to piggy-back on any work you were doing to get it working with X ;)
[09:38] <Elleo> mcphail: yeah, I'm not 100% up on what's happening with the XMir stuff (it's happening on the XMir side rather than the keyboard side at the moment), but I suspect it's going to end up quite XMir specific (either a full proxying of dbus calls from the Qt/GTK input method plugins, or having the XMir window act as a dumb input field itself with a button to reveal the keyboard, or similar)
[09:39] <Elleo> mcphail: might be possible to take the second approach with an SDL app, by wrapping it in Qt, but it wouldn't be very nice really
[09:39] <Elleo> and would have to be done for every individual SDL app
[09:44] <Elleo> mcphail: looks like SDL has ibus support, I'm wondering if it might be worth trying to write a maliit <-> ibus bridge, that'd support SDL and a number of other non-QT/GTK apps as well then
[09:44] <Elleo> mcphail: I'll add it as something to investigate on our backlog, it might be a while before we get to it though, as there's quite a few other big items on the keyboard list at the moment
[09:53] <Jeena> davmor2, but you can make good offline webapps but nobody seems to want to go that extra mile
[10:09] <OsakaFoo> what would the best way to go about setting a system wide proxy for certain wifi and my mobile network?
[10:13] <Jeena> OsakaFoo, fight for the removement of the proxy!
[10:14]  * OsakaFoo blinks
[10:19] <davmor2> OsakaFoo: might be a case of manually editing files with the system writable for now I don't think there is a default way of handling proxy's added to the system but could be wrong
[10:21] <OsakaFoo> Okay, will play about with VPN for nwo
[10:47] <mcphail> Elleo: cool. ibus fills me with dread, so it would be good to have a clever person looking at it ;)
[11:46] <hasan> hi
[11:46] <Elleo> mcphail: yeah, and if I can't find one I'll take a look myself ;)
[11:46] <mcphail> :)
[11:47] <hasan> I see Alan Pope's video of Pro5... but I don't know why ubuntu in every device from E4.5 to Pro5 and M10 using more than %80 of total memory!? It is not very bad?
[11:47] <mcphail> hasan: memory or disk?
[11:48] <ogra_> only 80% ? yeah, thats bad since it means there is memory unused
[11:48] <mcphail> !memory | hasan
[11:49] <hasan> In my E4.5 ubuntu uses near to 950mb of 1gb RAM!!!
[11:50] <hasan> I think it is not good for multitasking or I'm wrong
[11:50] <mcphail> hasan: you're wrong. Read the link. Unused memory is wasted memory
[11:53] <mcphail> hasan: there's a good youtube video (I think by tedg) which explains the application lifecycle, and when apps are removed from RAM etc
[11:54] <hasan> Wow!
[11:54] <hasan> mcphail: Thanks
[11:55] <hasan> So in convergence aspect I feel Pro5 is really better than M10
[11:56] <mcphail> I haven't seen either up close. Would like to have a play with them
[12:15] <OsakaFoo> seems when setting up a vpn it requires a private key password. If it does not have one there is no telling the user that it is required
[12:28] <OsakaFoo> that was a lie
[13:09]  * tedg uses all your memory </evil laugh>
[13:12] <ogra_> apt-get purge tedg
[13:13] <tedg> Sorry, the image is read-only.
[13:13] <tedg> :-)
[13:20] <svij> tedg: ogra_: snap remove tedg is it then ;)
[13:22] <mardy_> tvoss: ping ping :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/old-location-1551686
[13:25] <ogra_> svij, +1
[13:48] <kaisoz> hi there :)
[14:02] <lauri> Hi guys, how could I increase swap file size? It's SWAP.img under /userdata but it's only 32M
[14:02] <jaywink> Hi all. My BQ4.5 stopped giving me any location some time ago.. weeks maybe? on rc-proposed. Talked with another rc-proposed user, a Meizu MX4 who has had the same issue. And I'm not talking about GPS only, but APGS with mobile SIM and data connection etc etc. Tried looking for relevant bugs, anyone know whether this issue is being worked on or at least which of the bugs is relevant for this?
[14:03] <jaywink> "stopped working" = it works very very randomly, but not very often..
[14:04] <lauri> never mind got  it
[14:04] <lauri> had to do swapoff first
[14:06] <ogra_> lauri, uuh, why would you want it to swap at all ...
[14:06] <ogra_> that swap file is only there because the OOM scheduler behaves differently without any swap
[14:07] <ogra_> you dont really want it to be used, the system will get stuttery and slow and the MMC will wear out quickly
[14:11] <jaywink> I guess this might be the relevant AGPS bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/location-service/+bug/1500039 ..
[14:47] <Jeena> I have another question, how is the integration with CalDAV and CardDAV?
[14:48] <Jeena> in Gnome for example it's there but super shitty, the Addressbook does't even cache the data locally and gets it every time from the server
[14:49] <Jeena> how is it on Ubuntu Touch?
[14:50] <davmor2> Jeena: works fine for google sync, works fine if you email a cal/cardDAV however owncoloud sync is in progress as part of the new sync backend soon be ready at some point in the future
[14:51] <Jeena> hm that is what I am using, OwnCloud
[14:51] <Jeena> ok thanks!
[14:51] <davmor2> Jeena: there are various hacks you can use to make it sync
[14:52] <Jeena> and then there is a calendar app and a address book too I guess?
[16:51] <mariogrip> mhall119: ping
[16:54] <mhall119> mariogrip: pong
[16:55] <mariogrip> mhall119: I have some time today if you would like to talk
[16:55] <mhall119> mariogrip: I was about to take lunch, will you still be availble in ~1hour?
[16:56] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah, i'll be here for a good while, just ping me :)
[16:56] <mhall119> cool, thanks
[17:15] <XaRz> hello all. Newbie here be advised :)
[17:17] <moritz31> Hey guys, i've builded some cyanogenmod roms and now want to give a try porting android to ubuntu, my question is can i use cm12 source for porting or should it be cm10.1 ?
[17:18] <XaRz> I need information about webbrowser-app. It's based on blink/oxide? where is the plugin folder location (if any)?  I'm wondering if I can make the pepperflash plugin work. any hints?
[17:25] <mimecar> good evening..
[17:26] <moritz31> good evening mimecar :)
[17:28] <ogra_> XaRz, i dont think the browser has any plugin support yet
[17:28] <ogra_> (not sure that is planned either)
[17:32] <XaRz> ogra_: yeah, was a big leap of fate anyway.
[17:32] <ogra_> the source is on launchpad though ... feel free to submit patches :)
[17:32] <XaRz> *faith
[17:33] <ogra_> (though i guess plugins are not a wanted concept ... not sure though)
[17:33] <XaRz> I'm there, I'll give it a go, but I'm a newbie here :)
[17:34] <dobey> plug-ins under confinement is a bit of a pain, i guess
[17:35] <ogra_> i guess writing an app *around* the pepper plugin might work ... ending up with a "flash player"
[17:35] <ogra_> (i.e. a standalone app that you can hook into url-dispatcher and content-hub)
[17:39] <dobey> well if you want flash on a phone, first you have to buy a chromebook and then do all the hard work to dig the plug-in out, and you have to copy it over manually whenever there are any updates
[17:39] <dobey> not really worth the trouble, imho
[17:39] <ogra_> didnt google recently announce that they drop pepper ?
[17:40] <ogra_> might not be future proof actually :)
[17:42] <ogra_> dobey, so i got this U1 accounts bug ...
[17:42] <ogra_> ... where i click the install button in the store scope page of Mahjong from sylvain becker ...
[17:43] <ogra_> and my account is completely gone from the device ...
[17:43] <ogra_> it is 100% reproducable ... but only happpens on the pro5 ... and doesnt happen with any other app
[17:43] <ogra_> (and Mirv can repro it too on his pro5)
[17:44] <dobey> ogra_: yeah i think google is going to drop flash completely, soon
[17:44] <dobey> ogra_: that is incredibly weird
[17:44] <ogra_> yeah, aint it ? :)
[17:44] <ogra_> i havent talked popey into trying it yet :)
[17:45] <XaRz> I was aiming pepper a temporaly solution, not more.
[17:45] <ogra_> what for do you need it ?
[17:45] <ogra_> games ?
[17:45] <XaRz> no no, video
[17:46] <ogra_> that should work in 90% of the pages if your user agent is proper
[17:46] <dobey> vine uses flash
[17:46] <ogra_> most of them offer html5 nowadays ...
[17:46] <ogra_> thanks to iphones not having it
[17:47] <XaRz> dammit providers that they don't offer html5 yet...
[17:47] <ogra_> well, for mobile they will surely have to switch soon
[17:47] <dobey> ogra_: wink-wink-nudge-nudge are still all flash too :P
[17:48] <ogra_> heh
[17:48] <XaRz> and a bunch of local tv's
[17:48] <dobey> ogra_: wtf; it happens on my mako too
[17:48] <ogra_> hah !
[17:49] <dobey> wtf, why is the server returning a 401 for that
[17:51] <ogra_> dobey, more interesting, why is my account wiped if the server does that
[17:52] <dobey> ogra_: because a 401 for a request with a valid signature means the server is claiming the credentials are invalid
[17:53] <dobey> ogra_: so when that happens we invalidate it (in this case, delete it) on the client and require logging in again
[17:53] <ogra_> evil
[17:53] <dobey> not really
[17:54] <ogra_> well, as long as the server does it right it isnt ... once something is wrong you send people into a loop
[17:54] <ogra_> it should really give some more info in the error message
[17:54] <ogra_> something that indicates that it is a server side issue ... else you tyr it over and over and just hate the OS for it
[17:55] <dobey> yeah, well. scopes and error messages don't go well together
[17:55] <ogra_> well, it shows an auth error
[17:55] <dobey> well, it was an auth error
[17:55] <dobey> that's exactly what HTTP 401 means
[17:55] <ogra_> but the wording doesnt indicate at all that your account is gone now or that it could be a server specific issue
[17:56] <dobey> well, why would it?
[17:56] <ogra_> because thats user friendly ?
[17:56] <dobey> if the server knew it was a bug, it'd already be fixed, and thus not a bug any more :)
[17:56] <davmor2> ogra_: it hates you, what more do you need to know, have a hammer and hit it, it won't fix it, but my god it feels much better ;)
[17:57] <ogra_> davmor2, now ... then the error should just say "I hate you" and have an Ok button
[17:57] <davmor2> ogra_: on a plus side snappy will fix it right?
[17:57] <ogra_> indeeeeed
[17:58] <dobey> lol "fix"
[17:58] <davmor2> dobey: it's ogra_ 's catchphrase :)
[17:58] <ogra_> dobey, still, it could tell me that my account got removed from the device and that i can click "here" to re-create it
[17:58] <dobey> most likely, snappy is what broke it
[17:59] <davmor2> dobey: wash your mouth out
[17:59] <dobey> ogra_: it does. it says "log in to your ubuntu one account" with a button right there which does exactly that :)
[17:59] <ogra_> nah, click just didnt keep up :P
[17:59] <mhall119> mariogrip: are you available now?
[18:00] <mariogrip> mhall119: yes
[18:01] <mhall119> mariogrip: I'm in the hangout whenever you're ready
[18:05] <JanC> unfortunately there are still a bunch of sites that only have Android/iOS apps for mobile, and everybody else is told to get flash...
[18:07] <ogra_> dobey, so the summary of that bug is that beuno doesnt want people to play mahjong ?
[18:09] <dobey> ogra_: i have no idea why the server is returning a 401 when we try to get the token to install that app.
[18:22] <moritz31> did anyone from you already managed to make an working port ?
[18:27] <ogra_> moritz31, mariogrip is the porting master nowadays
[18:28] <moritz31> mhhh okay so he is the only one who is really working on some ports
[18:30] <mariogrip> ogra_: :)
[18:31] <mariogrip> I hope when we get the docs to shine more, we can get port porters
[18:31] <dobey> i wish google would use their massiveness to force release of open source drivers
[18:33] <mariogrip> dobey: Yeah! them blobs are really annoying *
[18:33] <mariogrip> cough cough* Qualcomm Mediatek
[18:34] <mhall119> mariogrip: what's your github project for the FP2 port? I'm going to send that to the smoose guys letting them know they can submit a pull request there too
[18:35] <mariogrip> mhall119: https://github.com/ubports/android_device_fairphone_fp2
[18:35] <mhall119> thanks
[18:37] <mariogrip> mhall119: but if it's not in the device specific repo, they can find them here  https://github.com/ubports/ (and manifest here: https://github.com/ubports/android/blob/ubp-5.1/default.xml)
[18:38] <dobey> mariogrip: btw, how fares the 5.1 hammerhead adventures?
[18:39] <mariogrip> mhall119: **if not the bug is in the device specific repo, they can find the others here:**
[18:39] <popey> 18:43 < ogra_> it is 100% reproducable ... but only happpens on the pro5 ... and doesnt happen with any other app
[18:39] <popey> my u1 account disappeared today too
[18:39] <popey> no idea which app triggered it
[18:40] <mariogrip> dobey: good, soon ready for my pre-* channels :D some small bugs to be fixed first
[18:40] <dobey> mariogrip: cool
[18:40] <dobey> mariogrip: did you get bt working?
[18:41] <mhall119> popey: mine did as well
[18:41] <mhall119> I wonder if they just mass-expired all the auth tokens
[18:41] <dobey> no
[18:41] <mhall119> I discovered it when trying to update telegram via system settings
[18:41] <mariogrip> dobey: it seems to start up, but I have no device to test with (waiting for a bt keyboard to arrive in mail)
[18:42] <dobey> mariogrip: awesome
[18:42] <mhall119> kgunn_: can you tell mariogrip what is needed to enable aethercast on his ports that use Android 5.x?
[18:43] <popey> mhall119: morphis probably can
[18:46] <mariogrip> also, will all miracast devices work? or only the m$ one?
[18:49] <davmor2> mariogrip: the MS one is guaranteed to work other might at this point
[18:49] <dobey> guaranteed?
[18:50] <mariogrip> there is two versions of the m$ one, will they both work?
[18:50] <davmor2> dobey: well tested to work
[18:50] <dobey> pretty sure the licensing of aethercast explicitly denies any guarantees :)
[18:50] <mariogrip> v1 and v2
[18:52] <moritz31> mhhh get stuck at obj/STATIC_LIBRARIES/libmake_f2fs_intermediates/export_includes“,
[18:52] <moritz31> added f2fs-tools to external
[18:52] <moritz31> and added subdir in main.mk
[18:53] <moritz31> cleaned the build but still the same error mhhh
[18:53] <moritz31> someone got an idea  ?
[18:53] <mariogrip> http://amzn.com/B01AZC3J3M and http://amzn.com/B00J9C2JDG
[18:53] <mariogrip> moritz31: could you give more of the output?
[18:55] <moritz31> sure http://pastebin.com/Whv0PMUa it's the full output
[18:56] <davmor2> mariogrip: I have v1 with the bigger unit the same as popey
[18:56] <mariogrip> moritz31: I have no idea what it says :P it's not in English
[18:57] <mariogrip> davmor2: ack
[19:06] <dobey> hmm
[19:06] <dobey> losing 30% of battery over 6 hours, on an idle phone, is not nice :-/
[19:07] <moritz31> mariogrip: it says rule not found for target nedded to create ....
[19:08] <mariogrip> moritz31: it need recovery_intermediates, recovery_intermediates does not build for some reason
[19:09] <moritz31> mariogrip: yeah because there is no rule for target libmake_f2fs_intermediates ;) but i have no idea why that is
[19:10] <morphis> popey, mariogrip: I can, yes
[19:10] <morphis> mariogrip, popey: lets discuss this tomorrow or so
[19:10] <mariogrip> morphis: ubuntu don't need libmake_f2fs_intermediates btw
[19:11] <morphis> hm?
[19:12] <moritz31> mariogrip: ahhh okay so i have to delete f2fs from recovery_intermediates
[19:13] <mariogrip> what recovery is this?
[19:14] <moritz31> not sure its ubuntu source with sony z3 tablet device files so think its sony recovery
[19:15] <moritz31> ifeq ($(TARGET_USERIMAGES_USE_F2FS), true)
[19:15] <moritz31> LOCAL_CFLAGS += -DUSE_F2FS
[19:15] <moritz31> LOCAL_STATIC_LIBRARIES += libmake_f2fs libfsck_f2fs libfibmap_f2fs
[19:15] <moritz31> endif
[19:15] <moritz31> i think thats the problem or ?
[19:15] <mariogrip> try setting TARGET_USERIMAGES_USE_F2FS to false
[19:15] <dobey> ogra_, davmor2: hah, i was right. snappy did break it!
[19:16] <ogra_> nah, click just didnt keep up
[19:16] <dobey> ogra_, davmor2: apparently that developer uploaded a snap, which had an older version number, which exposed some bug in the server that casued things to blow up, so the click couldn't be installed
[19:17] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: 30% loss over 6 hours? That's less than my Android loses when idle :/
[19:17] <ogra_> a snap of the same name ?
[19:18] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu, ouch ... 1-2% over 6h would be more ubuntu-ish
[19:18] <dobey> ogra_: don't know exact details
[19:18] <moritz31> mariogrip: you think i need these 3 ?
[19:18] <moritz31>   <project name="CyanogenMod/android_hardware_sony_thermanager" path="hardware/sony/thermanager" remote="github" />
[19:18] <moritz31>   <project name="CyanogenMod/android_hardware_sony_macaddrsetup" path="hardware/sony/macaddrsetup" remote="github" />
[19:18] <moritz31>   <project name="CyanogenMod/android_hardware_sony_timekeep" path="hardware/sony/timekeep" remote="github" />
[19:18] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: I want to get away from Android for a reason, but currently, Ubuntu on phones is just not mature enough for my usage (tablet really disappoints, so...)
[19:19] <SylvieLorxu> As soon as the tablet works fine and I port over the last app(s) I need... :P
[19:19] <dobey> tablet is hardly a phone :)
[19:19] <ogra_> well ... as someone who exclusively uses ubuntu phones since 2 years ... what should i say :)
[19:20] <mariogrip> moritz31: i would try to without anything extra to get to boot first and then add them if needed
[19:21] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: But the tablet can't even do notifications...
[19:21] <SylvieLorxu> Can the phones do that?
[19:21] <SylvieLorxu> If so, why is the difference so huge?
[19:21] <dobey> what do you mean the tablet can't do notifications?
[19:21] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu, luckily only telegram does notifications ...
[19:22] <ogra_> i mean ...
[19:22] <ogra_> everything *can* do notifications if the server side supports that
[19:22] <SylvieLorxu> I have never once gotten a single notification from any app on the tablet under any situation, not from Telegram in foreground, background or open as non-active window in desktop mode
[19:23] <ogra_> i get them pretty reliably if the app is in background or closed
[19:23] <dobey> well, leave the tablet on and connected to wifi
[19:23] <ogra_> (or th screen is off with the app in fg)
[19:23] <SylvieLorxu> The only things I get are low battery warnings and the WiFi "password needed" dialog which hijacks the keyboard because the tablet somehow forgot the password once
[19:23] <moritz31> mariogrip: thx :)
[19:23] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: uhm, you do have a U1 account logged in on the device, right?
[19:23] <ogra_> i think the G+ app does notifications too ... for the toplevel mailbox
[19:24] <SylvieLorxu> I leave it on and connected to WiFi, I can only imagine it doesn't notify perhaps because I also have Telegram on Android, but I do keep it in the background on Android and not open/read stuff
[19:24] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: Yes
[19:24] <ogra_> but the point is, apps and their servers need to support the ubuntu push notifications
[19:24] <dobey> then ou should get push notifications for telegram, assuming they're enabled for the app
[19:24] <ogra_> only then it works
[19:24] <SylvieLorxu> dobey: They are enabled, but simply nothing happens
[19:24] <dobey> and you should get a notification in a few days when the next system image update is available
[19:24] <SylvieLorxu> :(
[19:25] <ogra_> yeah ... system updates notify as well
[19:25] <SylvieLorxu> Well, let's hope I'll at least get that one (I'll be good and not manually check for updates)
[19:25] <ogra_> and SD cards ... on *every** boot (sigh)
[19:26] <dobey> nobody really talks to me specifically on telegram, and i disable notifications for groups; but when someone mentions me or sends a message directly to me, i get a notification
[19:26] <dobey> i got twitter notifications too, before i disabled them
[19:26] <SylvieLorxu> I have yet to receive any, oh well
[19:27] <moritz31> mariogrip: some advice, if an headerfile linux/msm_mdp.h is not found, should i add that file ?
[19:28] <mariogrip> moritz31: yes if you just want to test if it boot, no if you want to push changes to git :)
[19:28] <dobey> but i've been using ubuntu on a phone for 2 years pretty reliably
[19:28] <moritz31> okay since i only want to test if it boot i can add ;) where to include best ?
[19:29] <dobey> or > 2 years really
[19:29] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu, not sure if it still works but there is also caxton from start langridge, that used to allow sending notifications from firefox on a desktop PC
[19:29] <ogra_> (since then FF started to only allow signed addons, so i'm not sure it still works)
[19:30] <SylvieLorxu> Hmm, I should test that if I don't forget but not a lot of spare time...
[19:30] <ogra_> https://caxton.herokuapp.com/
[19:30] <mariogrip> moritz31: just add it in with the src, and edit the #include from <> to ""
[19:33] <moritz31> mariogrip: okay than i'll dirtyfix that shit
[19:33] <mariogrip> :P
[19:34] <SylvieLorxu> License: Proprietary
[19:35] <SylvieLorxu> Yeah, sorry, not even going to try :P
[19:35] <mariogrip> moritz31: I have to leave, i'll be back later today, if you got any questions, just leave them here or send me an mail to mariogrip@ubuntu.com
[19:35] <moritz31> mariogrip: okay thanks ;) i'll go to bed soon
[19:36] <mariogrip> moritz31: ok :)
[19:37]  * dobey suspects most of those are more accurately "License: Too Lazy to Pick Something Else"
[19:37] <dobey> especially where stuart is concerned :P
[19:37] <popey> mhall119: ogra_ is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/click-package-index/+bug/1516917 ?
[19:38] <ogra_> popey, i dont think so ... the app was never installed before
[19:38] <dobey> popey: no
[19:38] <dobey> popey: it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/1585337
[20:07] <saavento> Buenas
[20:10] <Guest46904> hola /  hi saavento
[20:12] <saavento> hey mimecar :)
[20:59] <popey> dobey: wow, good find
[21:00] <dobey> popey: i try :)
[21:01] <dobey> popey: technically i didn't find it. nessita did. i was just able to consistently recreate the problem, even outside the scope, and bugged server people to tell me what was going on, then she asked me to file a bug after finding that
[21:01] <Nuibie> Can I use postgresql in Ubuntu touch
[21:02] <dobey> Nuibie: https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[21:02] <dobey> assuming you mean actually running a server on your phone or something
[21:02] <dobey> i suppose you could also ship your own build of postgres in an app if you needed to use it in an app for some reason