[05:16] <mapito> hi
[07:32] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:35] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:36] <knightwise> hey guys
[07:37] <JeffH> Hi - looking for a decent ubuntu laptop - any ideas would be great!
[07:37] <JeffH> or suggestions...
[07:39] <zmoylan-pi> do you want it shipped with ubuntu, dell do laptops with ubuntu, don't they?
[07:39] <zmoylan-pi> removes a lot of guesswork/research
[07:40] <knightwise> JeffH: i have the dell xps13, Its very decent
[07:40] <JeffH> I guess o - have found a company called Entroware which ships lappies with Ubuntu - would be good to hear from someone who has used them
[07:40] <JeffH> Dell XPS13 - from the Dell site?
[07:41] <knightwise> Correct but you have to be sure you have the developer edition ,
[07:41] <knightwise> comes with ubuntu
[07:41] <knightwise> or you can go with a thinkpad , they come with windows but ubuntu runs very well on them too
[07:41] <knightwise> JeffH: i did a review on it (podcast) http://knightwise.com/kw1006-reviewing-the-dell-xps-13/
[07:42] <JeffH> Nice! I'll take a look.. cheers all!
[07:43] <knightwise> no prob :) Good luck
[07:44]  * zmoylan-pi shares cut of dell money with knightwise :-P
[07:54] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: :) hahaha
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Escargot Day! 😃  🐌
[08:34] <knightwise> We'll have a a snail of a time!
[08:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's a reach but in a good cause https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViftZTfRSt8
[08:40] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll give you that one. 😉
[08:40] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDkp7GysvbY this one is better the uploader didn't play with it :)
[08:40] <davmor2> JamesTait: I thought it was good one :)
[08:59] <foobarry> !lts
[08:59] <lubotu3`> LTS means Long Term Support. Until 12.04 LTS versions of Ubuntu were supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server; since 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) LTS versions will be supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Xenial (Xenial Xerus 16.04)
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:27] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:27] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[09:27] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[09:53] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise sorry miles away :)
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: there is always this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B3TN2rEckQ
[11:56] <diddledan> the tron 2 soundtrack is epic
[11:57] <diddledan> could be the best bit of the movie
[12:04] <davmor2> diddledan: that's not fair there was that really nice bit at the end.......no no after that.......no no after that........no no you know right at the end where you see the scrolling names it was such a relief to see that :)
[12:04] <diddledan> lol
[12:11]  * zmoylan-pi has more than 1-2 movies on dvd that i got just for the soundtrack... ::glares at hackers::
[12:12] <knightwise> The tron soundtrack is amazing
[12:12] <knightwise> Hackers .. great soundtrack too
[12:12] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: hackers is so bad that it's awesome
[12:12] <knightwise> Listening to the audiobook of hackers at the moment
[12:12]  * zmoylan-pi looks at watch and sees it's almost time to hack the planet \o/
[12:13] <knightwise> Love that movie
[12:13] <knightwise> the guy who plays dade is the same guy who plays sherlock in "elementary"
[12:13] <diddledan> plus it's got Angelina's Jolies
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> flash gordon for it's superb queen sound track
[12:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: heck yeah
[12:14] <knightwise> Inception
[12:14] <knightwise> and 'the adjustment bureau'
[12:14] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: and a cool brian blessed cameoish performance
[12:14] <knightwise> angelina jolie was horrible with that bobcut in hackers
[12:14] <knightwise> she looked like a homesexual lesbian
[12:15] <diddledan> knightwise: can you get heterosexual lesbians? :-p
[12:16] <knightwise> good question
[12:17] <foobarry> she looked like a funny looking teenager in the way that many teenagers do
[12:17] <foobarry> they most spoddy and meh looking girls at school blossomed into beauties in their 20s
[12:18] <knightwise> true.
[12:18] <knightwise> http://www.stickyday.com/top-20-celebrities-as-teenagers-can-you-recognize-them/4/
[12:19] <knightwise> i rest my case
[12:30] <foobarry> you mean http://www.stickyday.com/top-20-celebrities-as-teenagers-can-you-recognize-them/1/
[12:31] <foobarry> hmm that jay-z picture looks like north london
[12:32] <foobarry> yes its london
[12:43] <foobarry> can an in-law vote by proxy?
[12:43] <foobarry> or just blood relation
[12:52] <SuperMatt> I think anyone can vote bu proxy
[12:52] <SuperMatt> http://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/how-do-i-vote/voting-by-proxy
[12:53] <SuperMatt> there's no stipulation there
[12:53] <foobarry> hmmm i usually do postal vote by default but looks like i have to fill in another form on this occasiona
[12:53] <SuperMatt> "You cannot be a proxy for more than two people at any one election or referendum, unless they are a close relative."
[12:53] <foobarry> nope, i do have a postal vote \o/
[12:53] <SuperMatt> so anyone can proxy anyone, but you can only be the proxy for more than 2 people if you're close relatives
[12:53] <foobarry> re-read that and it makes sense
[15:13] <davmor2> NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   KATO is dead :'( RIP Burt Kwouk   man suck to be a celeb this year
[15:19] <foobarry> :( worst one yet
[15:32] <diplo> Didn't even know who he was :)
[15:37] <davmor2> diplo: you've never seen the pink panther
[15:38] <diplo> maybe a long time ago, not enough to remember him obviously :)
[15:40]  * davmor2 slowly shakes head at diplo 
[15:42]  * Seeker` bans diplo until he has seen the pink panther again
[15:43] <davmor2> Seeker`: no need just tut and shake your head slowly he'll get the point ;)
[16:12] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:13] <diddledan> poor KATO: http://basementrejects.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/total-recall-1990-kuato.jpg
[16:14] <diddledan> https://media.giphy.com/media/4YRVJZKtyzbyM/giphy.gif
[16:15] <davmor2> sebsebseb: hello
[16:16] <sebsebseb> davmor2: hi
[16:16] <popey> yo
[17:01] <zmoylan-pi> not now you fool... :-(
[17:01]  * zmoylan-pi goes to add the pink panther movies to my media player...
[17:09] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[17:10] <sebsebseb> who's here?
[17:12]  * popey is just popping out
[17:12] <popey> ttfn
[17:12] <Switches> cya popey
[17:12] <sebsebseb> popey: ok
[17:13] <sebsebseb> Switches: nice getting the first part of my Jolla tablet re fund soon it seems
[17:13] <Switches> :D
[17:13] <sebsebseb> however I am wondering how it's best to use that money once got it
[17:13] <sebsebseb> Switches: they will pay me back in dollars on Pay pal
[17:13] <Switches> Should be converted then?
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Switches: well I got Humble Bundles I want to buy for example
[17:14] <sebsebseb> and that's in dollars
[17:14] <sebsebseb> with pay pal currency doesn't really matter anyway
[17:14] <Switches> True
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Switches: however I can send the money from Pay pal into my bank account
[17:15] <sebsebseb> tried that earlier this month with something else
[17:15] <sebsebseb> first time
[17:15] <sebsebseb> then I guess it matters, how much the dollar is worth compared to the pound
[17:15] <Switches> Yeah, just takes a while to set up, or atleast used to. I have had my account set up for taking money from and paying to it for years
[17:21] <sebsebseb> Switches: it's just there now, you get credit
[17:22] <sebsebseb> Switches: credit in the sent currency,  or may even be asked if wanting it in pounds
[17:22] <sebsebseb> on Pay pal
[17:24] <Switches> Ohh cool
[17:45] <davmor2> sebsebseb: you gonna treat yourself to an m10 instead?
[17:46] <sebsebseb> davmor2: already got one, but it's the white HD
[17:46] <sebsebseb> davmor2: might get the black FHD at a much later time
[18:16] <diddledan> which do folk recommend for adblocking: adblock (getadblock.com) or adblock plus (adblockplus.org)?
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ublock is what i use
[18:17] <zmoylan-pi> ublock origin as there is a second not so good variant
[18:18] <diddledan> yeah, that's what I use in chrome
[18:18] <diddledan> this is for edge
[18:21] <davmor2> diddledan: just install a decent browser and done ;)
[18:21] <diddledan> well yeah
[18:21] <diddledan> there is that option
[18:21] <diddledan> but I'm somewhat masochistic :-p
[18:22] <davmor2> diddledan: oh in that case just use w3m
[18:22]  * zmoylan-pi hands out the sticks...
[18:22] <diddledan> dear god man! there's masochism and then there's THAT!
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1mcsko/adblock_edge_vs_adblock_plus_is_adblock_edge_is/
[18:23] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah but you get no adds :P
[18:24] <davmor2> diddledan: use wget and read the html? I mean w3m is a doddle :P
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> lynx in green and black for maximum geekiness
[19:03] <foobarry> is the "best" adblocker the fastest, most privacy friendly, or more effective at blocking ads?
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> i think it's the one that hunts down the company that paid for the ads and hits them with a stick till they stop...
[19:41] <zmoylan-pi> we'll have to wait for it till a standard for a keyboard that electrocutes idiots becomes common
[19:48] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: HID-Compliance standard - for making the user comply
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'd settle for making them suffer...
[20:11] <diddledan> crazy max's hairy highway is surprisingly tense
[20:36] <diddledan> what can I buy with about £9.30 from amazon?
[20:36] <penguin42> that's a very specific about
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> gummi bears?
[20:37] <diddledan> well I got a 10£ voucher to spend and I was thinking of getting https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000LATMQW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3PUL0HK47UUUS
[20:37] <diddledan> which leaves £9.34
[20:40] <Myrtti> tried a recipe from the new Hairy Dieters book. Szechuan chicken stir fry or something like that, 10/10 would recommend. If you've got a pressure cooker and a slow cooker, it's got recipies for those too.
[20:54] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: nope doesn't sound intersting enough to me
[20:54] <Myrtti> fair enough. We've got all the Hairy Dieters books.
[20:55] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: maybe with quorn chicken peices it would a bit, but those aren;t that nice.  yes I went veggie :d
[20:55] <Myrtti> this promises to have recipes that take 30 minutes or less active cooking time, so it had immediate appeal
[20:56] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: they've got quite a few vegetarian recipies in there and replacement suggestions too, noticed one that called for either smoked bacon or smoked firm tofu
[20:56] <Myrtti> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yeah there's  alterantives for bacon and things like that
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: even fish!
[20:56] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I had vegan fish and chips at the weekend,  at a big event for vegans etc. and wow that really did taste like cod from what I remember
[20:57] <daftykins> yawn veggie :P
[20:58]  * sebsebseb thinks going vegan or mostly, would be easier if lived in a place that actsaully sold the kind of products that were there at the weekend, but no that isn't the case.  and I put mostly since vegan milk is well a bit uh really, I got a sweet tooth etc, milk shakes yum :)
[20:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: yes veggie, not vegan though :D
[20:58] <sebsebseb> daftykins: if you ever tried any actsaul proper vegan products, well some taste awful at first, but I guess just need to get used to that more
[21:00] <sebsebseb> yawn daftykins :p
[21:00]  * daftykins continues nomming a Lamb curry
[21:01] <daftykins> hi Mr.Chatty
[21:01] <sebsebseb> Mr chatty me ?
[21:01] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Well you can have my animal-free chocolate sorbet recipie
[21:01] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah I got some like veggie fudges in a packet as well and rassbery something sweets to, not tried any of those yet though
[21:01] <sebsebseb> veggie I meant vegan
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> i give sherbert fountains to our vegetarian dm as they are animal free
[21:01] <sebsebseb> vegan wagon wheel altenratives two of them even, again not tried yet
[21:02] <penguin42> hmm
[21:02]  * sebsebseb would have come back with a load more vegan food I expect, if it hadn't been so pricy compared to well usaul food
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> wounded cabbages are hard to capture subdue...
[21:03] <penguin42> sebsebseb: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/chocsorbet.html   - the only thing you need to watch out for there is to make sure you get veg glycerin
[21:04] <sebsebseb> penguin42: what's glycerin ?
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> made from dead cows
[21:04]  * sebsebseb might do some baking tommorow actsually, but probably from a vegan cook book that bought at the weekend
[21:04] <penguin42> well from any fats actually
[21:04] <sebsebseb> yeah it's annoying there are hidden non veggie things to, gelatine etc
[21:04] <sebsebseb> rennet etc
[21:04] <penguin42> sebsebseb: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerol   you find it in a lot of things to keep them moist
[21:05] <penguin42> sebsebseb: You could try looking for kosher/halal stuff - they tend to avoid gelatine/renent
[21:06] <sebsebseb> penguin42: kosher is a shop I think?  halal is a term that comes up at times in things
[21:07] <sebsebseb> halala I keep on thinking what's that still, but only really done lilfe style change for about  two years now
[21:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, Halal is food under Muslim food requirements, Kosher is the Jewish equivalent
[21:07] <penguin42> sebsebseb: But since they both have restrictions on what they can use from animals they tend to avoid gelatine and animal rennet
[21:07] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[21:10] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: events are fun aren't they?  go to geek ones, and yeah geeks all over h eh, ok done some of that,   now been to another type of event from anything I been to before and wow that was something to
[21:11] <sebsebseb> it can be lilke you go to anothehr world sort of, for a day or a few hours or so
[21:12] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: I've been to quite a few geek events, I think I've done my share of them for a while
[21:13] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yeah I know you been to OGG Camp, but what else you been to?
[21:13] <Myrtti> Ubuntu release parties, conferences here and there
[21:13] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I think a v egan event has certain similarites to a geek event actsually, going by the one I went to at the weekend
[21:15] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: even has the really ethical people :d but I didn't see any of the talks,  but signed up to some sort of trail to some sort of magazine that would be more left wing etc
[21:15] <Myrtti> mmmkay
[21:15] <sebsebseb> it was maybe a bit to big, I know I didn't get round to it all in the time I had each day, but what i get for getting there lateish on both days I guess
[21:19] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: daftykins penguin42 zmoylan-pi  ethics over software yeah? morals?  ok not to the Richard Stallman extreme, but enough yeah,  wanting to use free software usually by default? hence using Linux for years yeah?  answer that and then I'll move on to the second part :d
[21:19] <daftykins> don't highlight like that.
[21:20] <Myrtti> I don't understand the question
[21:20] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: why do you use Linux basically, and its done for ehics moral reasons?  or is it?
[21:21] <sebsebseb> but not to the totally extreame end like RIchard Stallman I Guess, won't use any non free software etc etc
[21:21] <Myrtti> I know it, I can tweak mine to be what I want it to be easier than I would other OS's, and ethical/philosophical reasons do play on it but it's mostly about practicality
[21:21] <sebsebseb> probably mixed in with a open source  usually just works better
[21:22] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: what kind of ethical moral reaons in your case?
[21:22] <daftykins> lol, what are you smoking if you think it works better XD
[21:22] <diddledan> da weed
[21:22] <sebsebseb> except for daftykins job maybe :d, he needs Windows!
[21:23] <sebsebseb> diddledan: no I have never actually smoked anything in my life
[21:23] <diddledan> I smoked a cigarette once. well a bit of one, anyway.
[21:23] <diddledan> am I cool now?
[21:23] <sebsebseb> diddledan:  h eh
[21:24] <sebsebseb> yeah I have second hand smoked stuff I guess though,  breahted whatever in uh
[21:24] <daftykins> i support all the things!
[21:24] <diddledan> daftykins: ALL the things!
[21:24] <sebsebseb> daftykins: you need to make money from the consumer, so well Windows :D
[21:24] <sebsebseb> the not so technicals
[21:24] <Myrtti> the usual tripe about open source and how it makes the world a better place, and evens out some of the injustices of the world. Handwaving, singing kumbaya by the campfire and feeling togetherness etc.
[21:24] <daftykins> what makes yu think putting in Linux for someone wouldn't make money?
[21:24]  * zmoylan-pi gives daftykins a copy of os/2
[21:25]  * diddledan sings kumbya
[21:25] <sebsebseb> daftykins: it would but less since it works better generally :d
[21:25] <daftykins> anyone running 16.04 would make someone a fair few quid right now ;D
[21:25] <diddledan> lol
[21:25] <daftykins> sebsebseb: i don't think that statement is based in any amount of reality
[21:26] <diddledan> RedHat seem to be making a small fortune
[21:26] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: I did this here a bit the other day I think with someone,  not you though :d.  but if can get ethical over software etc, why not eating animals :D ? or well not eating them I should say.  seems most people don't really care much about that. f or me when thinking stuff through it made more sense,  to care about that as well, more so than software actsaully, it's real, software is cyber
[21:27] <diddledan> I fail to see correlation
[21:27] <Myrtti> sebsebseb: I've got absolutely nothing against vegans and vegetarians. It's just not an option I can personally take right this moment or in the near future for personal reasons.
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: yep indeed everyone is differnet,  I won't go vegan becasue of certian personal things that I like too much it seems, or been to used to being able to have for years now, uhmm yes milk shakes with real milk for a start, youghurts etc :).  why woudn't you go vegan or veggie ?
[21:29] <Myrtti> as I said, I've got personal reasons that I won't divulge on a public IRC channel or to people I don't know
[21:29] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: hmm ok
[21:30] <sebsebseb> but yeah some people can't eat this and that for example since health reasons
[21:30] <sebsebseb> ,but can eat  other things meat for example
[21:48] <sebsebseb> penguin42: hmm frozen desert link, just read through porperly, so you either eat it hot, or get it frozen in the freezer?
[21:53] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, always freeze it
[21:54] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ok not making that tommorow :d
[21:54] <penguin42> sebsebseb: and I have an ice cream making machine that I do it in and then into the freezer (although I suspect it's not a good machine)
[21:55] <sebsebseb> yeah a home made ice creme machine could be fun :d
[21:55] <sebsebseb> and nice
[21:55]  * penguin42 has considered it, but I'm really not a mech person
[21:57] <sebsebseb> penguin42: a what person?
[21:57] <penguin42> mechanical
[21:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: you said you had one though?
[21:58] <sebsebseb> ice cream maker
[21:58] <penguin42> yes, I bought it
[21:58]  * sebsebseb apparnatly some girls may even like a guy more, I mean a lot, if he gets all nicely into baking and cooking nice things :D
[21:59] <sebsebseb> t ech interests gneerally going to be a downpoint for most
[21:59] <sebsebseb> but what I just put could be a pluss he h
[21:59] <daftykins> definitely when they buy early tablets
[21:59] <daftykins> *whistle* ;)
[22:00] <penguin42> well, I can make sorbet and I can make an apple crumble - I'm sorted then?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: 1st gen Ubuntu tablets :D ?
[22:00] <sebsebseb> daftykins: well Linux full stop, most just won't understand etc
[22:00] <sebsebseb> shame really
[22:02] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I remember having home made ice creame as a kid, at someone we were visitng, she made this lovely strawberry ice creame, tasted awesome
[22:02] <sebsebseb> oh so long ago now h eh
[22:23] <penguin42> so that explains that; my dad planted cat mint; completely spaced out cat on the lawn
[22:24] <daftykins> XD
[22:25] <penguin42> (Not that we have a cat of our own)
[22:27] <daftykins> next the neighbourhood with be rabbling!
[22:28] <daftykins> *will be
[22:28] <daftykins> oy i need my head examined, this is becoming too frequent :P
[22:43] <m0nkey_> oh dear. bad practice time. SLOG and L2ARC on the same device :)  (talking ZFS)
[22:44] <daftykins> o0
[22:55] <Switches> Hmm that was a good Linux Unplugged time for more coffee though
[22:56] <daftykins> you best plug it back in to charge it whilst you're gone ;D
[22:56] <Switches> lol
[22:57] <Switches> Well I like watching it, although there are a few bits in there I am really getting to dislike lol
[23:00] <penguin42> does anyone know of any large power outages today - there's a ~30min dip in the UK power usage of about 10% at about 3:30pm
[23:00] <daftykins> ah the exotic pronunciation of open source projects *facepalm*
[23:00] <Switches> Haven’t noticed anything here (Bristol)
[23:01] <penguin42> me neither (Manchester)
[23:01] <Switches> Plus if we get any surges here it normally trips the whole damn house >.<
[23:01] <penguin42> daftykins: Yes, the throat-wabbler-mangrove project?
[23:02] <daftykins> i fired up the latest ep of that Linux Unplugged Switches mentioned and heard MATE get mentioned, i find all those wonky pronunciations pretentious
[23:03] <Switches> lol
[23:03] <penguin42> oh Mate is odd, as are all it's replacements for gnome projects (they need different names to stop clashes - but they have some very odd ones)
[23:04] <daftykins> someone with some artistic skill should do a strip about attempting to pronounce a few, just as some FOSS ninjas leap out and very yawningly correct that person
[23:04] <Switches> Tbh the Ubuntu/Canonical bashing gets to me a bit. Everytime I hear that and them saying about NiH it makes me a bit mad, being as imo Redhat has more "NiH Syndrome" than any other Linux distro lol
[23:05] <daftykins> i'm not familiar with NiH?
[23:05] <Switches> Not Invented Here
[23:07] <Switches> It's something that a lot like to blame Canonical with, when all I see is Canonical trying to push barriers and overcome, yeah I don't always agree with them on stuff but at the same time I think Canonical are the only ones that offer users atleast an option.
[23:08] <Switches> But enough of my outlook on things :p time for some music lol