[00:44] <cmaloney> https://blog.bandcamp.com/2016/05/19/bandcamp-downloads-streaming-and-the-inescapably-bright-future/
[03:52] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2016/05/23/open-metalcast-episode-130-continuing-voyages/
[03:52] <cmaloney> If you can't find something in this episode to like then you're probably incapable of love.
[13:12] <cmaloney> morning
[13:22] <rick_h_> morning
[13:35] <jrwren> MORNING!
[13:38] <rick_h_> someone's chipper
[13:38] <cmaloney> Someone's in AOL mode
[13:38] <cmaloney> Must be the AOL stock is finally turning around on news of Verizon buying them.
[13:42] <jrwren> O_O VZ is buying AOL!?!?   wtfff?!!?
[13:43] <jrwren> first bayer monstanto, now this!?!?
[13:43]  * jrwren head exploes
[13:43] <cmaloney> to be fair, Verizon came first.
[13:44] <cmaloney> But apparetnly Bayer is working to consolidate the evil
[13:44] <jrwren> i'm wondering how being DE owned might change MON
[13:45] <cmaloney> If it makes their hearts grow ten times larger that would be a good thing
[13:45] <cmaloney> assuming their hearts aren't already 0.
[13:45] <rick_h_> 10*0 = ?
[13:45] <cmaloney> 10 * 0 = 0
[13:45] <cmaloney> ;)
[13:45] <rick_h_> hah!
[13:46] <cmaloney> Doesn't Bayer do patent shakedowns as well?
[13:47] <cmaloney> it's hard to keep track of the evil in the world
[13:47]  * cmaloney checks to see if there's an asshole watch site out there.
[13:48] <mrgoodcat> yea there is: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016.html
[13:49] <cmaloney> Apparently someone registered "assholewatch.com" which points to the Apple Watch.
[13:49] <cmaloney> That is a missed opportunity
[15:03] <Scary_Guy> why, what do you think it should point to?
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> apple is pretty evil
[15:04] <Scary_Guy> them fighting for encryption is the best thing they've done in a loooong time
[15:06] <jrwren> how is apple evil?
[15:07] <jrwren> of the big 5 tech companies, apple seems to be the less evil of the 5.
[15:07] <jrwren> least evil of the 5, i mean.
[15:09] <rick_h_> hmm, ratings in terms of number of devil's horns you earn
[15:09] <rick_h_> 2 evil horns, 4 evil horns...
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> jrwren, you sound like a voter "well this candidate isn't as evil as the others"
[15:11] <jrwren> lol.
[15:11] <jrwren> no no.
[15:11] <jrwren> i'd just like to learn about specifics.
[15:11] <jrwren> i hear people say "apple are evil" all the time, but I rarely hear specifics.
[15:11] <Scary_Guy> well, I prefer android since I can take google's bloat off it
[15:12] <jrwren> 'cept maybe when they were under heat for foxconn workers pressures.
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> apple locks you into it and actively tries to disable your attempts to jailbreak it
[15:12] <jrwren> that is evil?
[15:12] <jrwren> we apparently have different definitions of evil.
[15:12] <Scary_Guy> I buy the device, I should be able to do what I want with the device
[15:12] <jrwren> lock in may not be a feature you want, but I don't consider it evil.
[15:12] <jrwren> its fine if its not the product you want.
[15:13] <Scary_Guy> closed source is evil too, no peer review
[15:13] <jrwren> lol!
[15:13] <jrwren> ya know what!  I like your values more than my own.
[15:14] <jrwren> Its been so long since i've heard the "closed source is evil" that i forgot it was a thing.
[15:14] <Scary_Guy> maybe it's better now that Tim is running things but when Steve was you were literally trusting a sociopath
[15:15] <jrwren> so.. you run android without google play store?
[15:15] <jrwren> what do you use for cloud services? anything? owncloud? other?
[15:15] <Scary_Guy> no play anything, no maps, none of it
[15:15] <Scary_Guy> f-droid.org
[15:16] <Scary_Guy> all FOSS apps
[15:16] <jrwren> awesome.
[15:16] <Scary_Guy> the only people who don't want me rooting my phone and throwing custom ROMs on it are the carriers, google's android literally doesn't care and encourages it
[15:17] <Scary_Guy> I wish we had more support and activity from things like #replicant though
[15:18] <jrwren> there are so many old apple devices out there, its a shame there isn't an alt OS to put on an old iphone4 or an old ipad1
[15:18] <Scary_Guy> have you heard of pineapple?
[15:19] <Scary_Guy> I think that's the name
[15:20] <Scary_Guy> http://lifehacker.com/5693309/how-to-install-android-on-an-iphone-in-six-easy-steps
[15:21] <Scary_Guy> I've done that and it ran like dogshit but it ran!
[15:21] <Scary_Guy> got super hot too
[15:22] <Scary_Guy> but yeah, that's the other thing, if you have a dead phone it's basically only good for a music player
[15:24] <jrwren> its not maintained is it?
[15:24] <jrwren> what do you mean dead phone & music player?
[15:24] <Scary_Guy> not anymore
[15:24] <jrwren> if it has wifi it can run any app, right?
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> I guess, seems kind of restrictive though
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> also that's the other thing, android only restricts what apps you can install until you uncheck a box
[15:25] <jrwren> very true.
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> want to install custom apps in iOS?  you need to jailbreak it
[15:26] <jrwren> oh, that isn't true anymore.
[15:26] <Scary_Guy> which voids the warrenty
[15:26] <jrwren> you can sideload apps now.
[15:26] <Scary_Guy> wait they changed it?
[15:26] <Scary_Guy> okay that's cool
[15:26] <jrwren> they added it in ios9
[15:26] <cmaloney> jrwren: I was thinking it would be better served as a clearinghouse of information related to bad company behavior
[15:27] <cmaloney> re: Apple being evil: Their stance on suing everyone and everything over patents is kind of terrible
[15:27] <Scary_Guy> that too
[15:27] <cmaloney> they're the whole reason for the look-and-feel lawsuit
[15:27] <cmaloney> They're definite innovators though, so I can understand their position
[15:28] <cmaloney> but I have a hard time with using the courts to set bad precedents
[15:28] <jrwren> sure, but not more evil than the other 4 in that regard.
[15:28] <jrwren> 'cept maybe FB. has FB ever sued over patents?
[15:28] <cmaloney> not sure
[15:28] <Scary_Guy> give it time
[15:28] <Scary_Guy> they own Oculus
[15:29] <jrwren> yup.
[15:29] <cmaloney> FB is evil for privacy and blatant emotional manipulation
[15:29] <jrwren> exactly!
[15:29] <jrwren> pretty much like google... at least on privacy.
[15:31] <cmaloney> jrwren: Not sure if you can speak to this, but I'm wondering how accurate this is:
[15:31] <cmaloney> https://medium.com/@ailon/how-one-announcement-destroyed-the-net-ecosystem-on-windows-19fb2ad1aa39#.1gpmnd4iw
[15:33] <jrwren> i only barely follow .net these days.
[15:34] <cmaloney> That's what I figured
[15:34] <jrwren> zomg cmaloney YES!
[15:34] <jrwren> that is exactly why I gave up on .NET and MSFT.
[15:35] <jrwren> but not for the reasons listed here.
[15:35] <jrwren> although these are all great points, and probably better than my reasons.
[15:36] <cmaloney> OK, I wasn't sure. It sseems like the transision to W8 / W10 from a developer perspective is muddy at best
[15:36] <cmaloney> from W7
[15:36] <jrwren> the winrt thing was/IS fucking terrible.
[15:36] <jrwren> when I saw them abandon the win32 api and say, "use this winrt shit" it made zero sense.
[15:36] <jrwren> it still makes zero sense.
[15:37] <jrwren> its a shit api
[15:37] <jrwren> the people who approved it should be fired.
[15:37] <Scary_Guy> speaking of evil companies
[15:37] <cmaloney> It felt like they were trying to make a JVM-ish doo-dad into the main interface
[15:37] <cmaloney> which sort of made sense
[15:37] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: Sad thing is MSFT is busily neutering themselves
[15:38] <jrwren> yup, speaking of evil companies.
[15:38] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_vcy7I0zIM reminds me of this too
[15:42] <jrwren> great ignite talk!
[15:44] <Scary_Guy> ikr?
[16:23] <cmaloney> Woo! New Pebble Kickstarter
[16:26] <jrwren> i just had full vi rage.
[16:26] <jrwren> I didn't know how to use vi, because I am accustomed to vim.
[16:26] <rick_h_> cmaloney: new toy?
[16:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, like getting stuck in bash
[16:27] <rick_h_> "wtf!!! this doesn't work right!"
[16:27] <jrwren> that happened to me last week. my brain couldn't switch to bash mode, i kept typing vim nav commands and it was easier to just set -o vi
[16:39] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Think I'm going to pass on this one
[16:39] <cmaloney> Built-in HR is not a feature I need ATM
[17:01] <rick_h_> cmaloney: HR?
[17:14] <cmaloney> Hert Rate monitor
[17:16] <cmaloney> jrwren: https://twitter.com/MattMEgan5/status/735153349650190337
[17:16] <cmaloney> "Breaking: Monsanto rejects Bayer’s $62 billion takeover bid, calling it ‘incomplete & financially inadequate.' But $MON open to deal talks"
[17:17] <jrwren> lol
[17:18] <cmaloney> Something tells me they're looking for Facebook numbers.
[18:39] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/jniccolai
[18:39] <cmaloney> We're fucked
[18:39] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/jniccolai/status/735169829183705088
[18:39] <cmaloney> start from here
[18:43] <cmaloney> Apparently the jury for the Google / Oracle trial is trying to look at the source for Java
[18:43] <cmaloney> and having a hell of a time because of the number of folders in there.
[18:43] <_stink_> gahahaha
[18:43] <_stink_> this is awesome
[18:44] <cmaloney> https://twitter.com/sarahjeong as well
[18:44] <cmaloney> she's been awesome live-tweeting this whole trial