| JanC | depending on how your system works, pulling the boot drive might have no immediate effect... | 02:33 |
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| Bashing-om | JanC: Well .. I did bring it back online after powering down with it disconnected . Connected the drive backup, reset bios , fsck .. restarted apps . I see no harm done . whewhhh . ( log files are huge . I expect log rotate to deal with that in time ) . | 02:39 |
| JanC | I was rather referring to possible setups where you don't actually use the boot drive after booting :) | 02:43 |
| JanC | but happy your system is okay anyway | 02:43 |
| JanC | not sure why you reset the BIOS really? | 02:45 |
| Bashing-om | JanC: Well .. when I rebooted .. guess what .. bios did not see that hard drive ! .. ouch ! ( initially stick on the bios boot screen, going no further ) . When I got around to verifying the boot drive, that 1st hard drive was not in the boot order ) . Was an adventure ! | 02:49 |
| Bashing-om | stuck* | 02:50 |
| JanC | you can't just tell it to boot from whatever is the first bootable drive it can find? | 02:52 |
| Bashing-om | JanC: Point was .. that upon reboot .. that drive was not known to bios . Complete power down .. and the rediscovery process .. The prefered boot device had to be reset, as bios still reflected a secondary drive as the primary boot device . | 03:01 |
| JanC | well, some firmwares allow you to not have a preferred boot device, in which case it will figure out one to boot from on its own? | 03:04 |
| Bashing-om | JanC: One would thunk it , Bios goes looking where to hand off too; In my case there is boot code on that secondary drive. But it did not boot, just hung there seeking I guess . Think'n bout it .. maybe best I re-install the boot code on that 2nd hard drive . | 03:28 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 04:34 |
| ducasse | morning everyone! | 06:27 |
| Bashing-om | wb ducasse . Bout time for me to go off . | 06:30 |
| ducasse | go get some sleep :) | 06:30 |
| Bashing-om | sooooonnn ... zzzzzzzz | 06:31 |
| Bashing-om | Time! | 06:58 |
| thesushimanoftao | So did i find the right room to discuss technical issues regarding ip camera recording using ubuntu? | 08:00 |
| thesushimanoftao | or at least a valid room for that discussion? | 08:00 |
| ducasse | right place, but kinda quiet at the moment. | 08:01 |
| thesushimanoftao | how are you ducasse | 08:49 |
| ducasse | good, thanks. you? finally good weather here, after five solid days of rain... | 08:50 |
| thesushimanoftao | finally a gray day in New Mexico | 08:50 |
| ducasse | we're not too spoiled by sun and warm weather here in norway :) | 08:51 |
| thesushimanoftao | true | 08:52 |
| thesushimanoftao | so care to geek out for a moment on data xfer and linux server? | 08:53 |
| ducasse | sure :) | 08:53 |
| thesushimanoftao | ip cameras require about 10 mbs xfer rate @1080 video | 08:54 |
| ducasse | i need to reinstall my fileserver today, i'm just putting it off because i really don't want to do it. | 08:54 |
| thesushimanoftao | maybe this will bore you enough to do it | 08:54 |
| ducasse | how many cameras do you need? | 08:54 |
| thesushimanoftao | as many as i can | 08:54 |
| thesushimanoftao | they are so cheap now I would love 20 | 08:55 |
| thesushimanoftao | my thinking is that because i am not processing the data, just storing it that cpu horsepower while relevant to getting the data from the network | 08:56 |
| thesushimanoftao | is not going to be as negatively affecting the function as if I was real time editing | 08:56 |
| thesushimanoftao | so a dual core envirnonment with lots of ram would suffice for the data acquisition | 08:57 |
| thesushimanoftao | and truth to be told I kind of want to approach it in a see how many before a $200 server drops | 08:58 |
| ducasse | depends on how you receive the data, i guess. | 08:58 |
| thesushimanoftao | I trust ubuntu to handle the acquisition and the RAID | 08:58 |
| thesushimanoftao | coming in off of 1gb network | 08:59 |
| thesushimanoftao | the pipe is bigger than data flow | 08:59 |
| thesushimanoftao | RAID is faster than dataflow | 08:59 |
| ducasse | you will be needing a ton of ram, though... | 09:00 |
| thesushimanoftao | i just haven't designed a server envirnonment in so long that i want to make sure my current OS and HW assumptions are accurate | 09:00 |
| thesushimanoftao | for data buffering? | 09:00 |
| ducasse | yes. | 09:01 |
| thesushimanoftao | SATA raid is seeing througputs of 300+mbs with raid 5 | 09:02 |
| ducasse | that's true, but you will still need a bit of memory if you have a lot of streams. | 09:03 |
| thesushimanoftao | and just to confirm traditional network management functions have gotten so small that actual load of ubuntu should be insignificant in the operating environment | 09:03 |
| thesushimanoftao | 64gb should have a lot of buffer | 09:04 |
| ducasse | there aren't a lot of bits of the os you are actually going to need, you basically need a network stack and a disk subsystem. | 09:05 |
| thesushimanoftao | next question is there a way to directly catch the stream, or would I need to have a software layer | 09:06 |
| thesushimanoftao | there are video surveilance software systems out there which I think could work, but if I am approaching it as purely data capture, not editing should i look for a direct solution | 09:07 |
| ducasse | depends on the cameras, most can transmit a stream you can just pick up. | 09:08 |
| thesushimanoftao | that is my thinking also | 09:09 |
| ducasse | i know the vlc command line client can pick them up, maybe ffmpeg also. you migh use it with something like nc if not. | 09:09 |
| thesushimanoftao | and it will operate in command lines side by side for as many streams as memory would allow? | 09:11 |
| thesushimanoftao | while maintaining the buffering required | 09:11 |
| ducasse | i assume so, but i've never tried. the docs should tell you. | 09:12 |
| ducasse | check vlc-nox. | 09:13 |
| thesushimanoftao | thank you for an intelligent discussion | 09:26 |
| ducasse | np. been lookin at the vlc docs, it seems to be what you are after, videolan.org/doc | 09:28 |
| thesushimanoftao | all the time stamps should be based on the server if I am using it as my time server also right? especially since there is no connection between this network and the internet | 09:30 |
| thesushimanoftao | if there is only one time server everyone syncs to it | 09:30 |
| ducasse | i would think so, yes. the time stamps would be set to whenever the files are written. | 09:31 |
| de-facto | Wenn die Übernahme von Monsanto durch Bayer Realität wird wäre es die teuerste Übernahme der deutschen Unternehmensübernahmen: http://boerse.ard.de/aktien/die-groessten-uebernahmen-deutscher-konzerne100.html | 10:26 |
| de-facto | oops wrong post | 10:26 |
| de-facto | never mind me, i still need a coffee to wake up properly LOL | 10:27 |
| BluesKaj | Hey folks | 11:45 |
| ducasse | hi :) | 11:57 |
| BluesKaj | Hi ducasse, pauljw | 12:08 |
| pauljw | hi BluesKaj | 12:08 |
| pauljw | everyone | 12:08 |
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| pauljw | biab... | 13:12 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon to all | 13:46 |
| BluesKaj | Hey lotuspsychje | 13:49 |
| lotuspsychje | hey BluesKaj & OerHeks | 13:49 |
| OerHeks | hi di hi | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 13:50 |
| ducasse | afternoon, lotuspsychje | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | hey ducasse | 14:02 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: hows the wiki thing going? | 14:02 |
| ducasse | i'm working on it :) i've got a couple of other projects that need to be prioritized, like swapping the failing root disk in my fileserver... | 14:03 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 14:04 |
| ducasse | i'll also be doing a fresh install of xenial on my desktop, so i'll write most of it as i do that, then i can just write down the steps. | 14:04 |
| ducasse | hope to start that tomorrow :) | 14:05 |
| lotuspsychje | no rush | 14:05 |
| ducasse | i know, but i'll get it done :) | 14:06 |
| lotuspsychje | http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/you-can-finally-buy-official-ubuntu-stickers-for-your-laptop-and-desktop-pc-504446.shtml | 14:19 |
| lotuspsychje | hurry OerHeks ! | 14:19 |
| OerHeks | pretty expensive, no? | 14:19 |
| lotuspsychje | 10$ discount! :p | 14:21 |
| OerHeks | i still have a few bubble patches, like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/blob.JPG | 14:21 |
| OerHeks | yes, i have lamp on my HP-i3 | 14:22 |
| OerHeks | :_D | 14:22 |
| lotuspsychje | those are nice | 14:22 |
| OerHeks | sure are, white on orange/orange on white | 14:22 |
| OerHeks | next time there is a canonical seminar, join! | 14:23 |
| OerHeks | (for the seminar, not just the goodies) | 14:23 |
| lotuspsychje | well i had a job test today and im hired :p | 14:23 |
| lotuspsychje | less irc time is comming : ( | 14:24 |
| OerHeks | congrats! | 14:24 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx, the good news is i will eb able to start my ubuntu store soon | 14:24 |
| OerHeks | do they want 48-y old guys too? | 14:24 |
| lotuspsychje | yes | 14:25 |
| lotuspsychje | its a great company, le pain quotidien | 14:25 |
| Ben64 | do they want americans | 14:25 |
| lotuspsychje | Ben64: also | 14:26 |
| OerHeks | yeah, let ubuntu take over that business | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | Ben64: they are spreaded all over the world | 14:26 |
| Ben64 | ooh | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | there's one in new york an la | 14:26 |
| Ben64 | i'm close to la | 14:26 |
| lotuspsychje | http://www.lepainquotidien.com/landing/international/#.V0W2PJ5b-1M | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | check this out | 14:27 |
| OerHeks | hmm a few in Amsterdam | 14:27 |
| Ben64 | close in california terms at least | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | gonna work in the kitchen | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | but its not real cooking kitchen | 14:27 |
| OerHeks | ah, a softwarekitchen? | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | all food comes to the stores pre-made | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | lol OerHeks | 14:28 |
| lotuspsychje | you only have to throw in on a plate | 14:28 |
| ducasse | congrats on the job, lotuspsychje! looking forward to starting? | 14:37 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: thank you mate, yes 2 weeks they will educate me on other location | 14:38 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: and its 10min walk from my house | 14:39 |
| ducasse | brilliant, no commute :) | 14:39 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: then i will start my sideby job ubuntu store | 14:40 |
| ducasse | selling support etc? | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: will be a sort of system76, but much cheaper, and personally tweaked boxes, tablets,phones | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | with only the 850 pro ssd series | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: will do alot of win to ubuntu converting of existing machines also | 14:42 |
| ducasse | i see. there would be almost zero market for something like that here, unfortunately... | 14:43 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: its crazy how much ppl dont know about linux still.. | 14:43 |
| lotuspsychje | i wanna change that | 14:43 |
| ducasse | i know. #ubuntu-no has maybe 20 people in it, and nobody has said anything in there in the last week or so. | 14:44 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: the hardest part for me is finding the perfect barebone company | 14:45 |
| lotuspsychje | i need no Os, no hd, no ram by default | 14:45 |
| lotuspsychje | and preferable customizable keyboard languages | 14:46 |
| ducasse | hmm. have you found anything that looks good? it's going to be difficult to compete, the big manufacturers can push things pretty cheap... | 14:49 |
| ducasse | i'm not trying to be negative, just curious :) | 14:50 |
| lotuspsychje | ducasse: yes found those clevo machines pretty interesting | 15:35 |
| lotuspsychje | hi pauljw you are the 55th user, you have won todays price! | 15:36 |
| lotuspsychje | pauljw: grab your price here: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawa57mie61r5wodgo1_1280.jpg | 15:37 |
| OerHeks | or, you can exchange it for a lifetime membership of the 55th-user-society | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 15:38 |
| OerHeks | but then you are only allowed as 55th user, ofcourse | 15:38 |
| pauljw | awesome lotuspsychje, and thank goodnesss for that option OerHeks | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje | some users give a dejavu experiences :p | 16:07 |
| lotuspsychje | hi baizon, you are the 54th user today | 16:10 |
| lotuspsychje | you have won the second price: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawa57mie61r5wodgo1_1280.jpg | 16:10 |
| pauljw | lol | 16:11 |
| lotuspsychje | :p | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | its called: dutch warfare fries | 16:12 |
| baizon | hi lotuspsychje | 16:12 |
| pauljw | it actually looks pretty good | 16:12 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah we belgians eat every kind of fries | 16:13 |
| lotuspsychje | the fatter, the better | 16:13 |
| pauljw | i love fries with brown gravy... | 16:14 |
| lotuspsychje | what gravy mean? | 16:14 |
| pauljw | sauce | 16:15 |
| nacc | like poutine? | 16:15 |
| BluesKaj | contributes to the McButt syndrome | 16:15 |
| nacc | heh | 16:15 |
| pauljw | brown is usually beef based | 16:15 |
| pauljw | :) | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | ahhh stoofvleessaus! | 16:15 |
| pauljw | yeah, that... ?? | 16:15 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:15 |
| nacc | heh | 16:16 |
| lotuspsychje | lol BluesKaj | 16:16 |
| BluesKaj | odd I've never tried potine and I'm a sucker for fries, cheese and gravy | 16:17 |
| lotuspsychje | hi de-facto | 16:17 |
| BluesKaj | poutine rather | 16:17 |
| nacc | BluesKaj: it's really big in the US pacific northwest now, almost every pub here serves a version of it. I think Portland (where I live) even has an annual contest now :) | 16:18 |
| nacc | well, by "now", i mean a few years ago possibly :) | 16:18 |
| de-facto | hey guys | 16:18 |
| lotuspsychje | nacc: all you can eat contest? | 16:19 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: best poutine contest :) | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | oh | 16:20 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: a couple of our local papers do those just about every week -- best donut in portland, best ramen in portland, etc. And that's turned into 'donut week' | 16:20 |
| BluesKaj | started in Quebec , but poutine has barely caught on in the rest of Canada | 16:20 |
| nacc | and 'ramen week' :) | 16:20 |
| lotuspsychje | i love those american burger stores where you have to eat like 5Kg meat in 15min | 16:20 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: i love the use of the verb "have to" :) | 16:20 |
| nacc | as that is totally accurate | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:21 |
| nacc | it becomes involuntary somehow | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | youl end on the wall of fame nacc ! | 16:21 |
| lotuspsychje | or shame :p | 16:21 |
| BluesKaj | nacc, substitute "must" for "have to" | 16:21 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: and to be clear, not criticizing your phrasing, just finding it funny how true it is | 16:22 |
| nacc | lotuspsychje: the only walls i'd want to end up on are for various spicy food contests ... but even though i find less appealing as i get older | 16:22 |
| pauljw | nacc we eventually get old enough to just not get started in any "have to" eating exercise :) | 16:22 |
| ducasse | gotta ask, wth is poutine? | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgbUqgQL2N4 | 16:23 |
| lotuspsychje | lol no way | 16:23 |
| nacc | pauljw: ack! | 16:23 |
| nacc | ducasse: french fries + curds + gravy | 16:23 |
| nacc | ducasse: usually at a pub or diner, aiui | 16:23 |
| BluesKaj | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine | 16:24 |
| ducasse | dear $deity, that sounds fatal. | 16:24 |
| nacc | heh | 16:24 |
| BluesKaj | ducasse,^ | 16:24 |
| lotuspsychje | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqRrZUhr00g | 16:26 |
| lotuspsychje | jesus... | 16:26 |
| daftykins | o/ | 16:27 |
| daftykins | if you can't bite through it it's a waste ;) | 16:27 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 16:28 |
| BluesKaj | daftykins, well, you can bite thru it and it will affect your waist | 16:28 |
| daftykins | :D i was thinking of all the layers at once, since that's where the taste comes from :D | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | hi daftykins :p | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: rams are sent by yesterday | 16:34 |
| daftykins | ooh thank you sir :D | 16:37 |
| pauljw | hey daftykins | 16:37 |
| daftykins | \o | 16:37 |
| daftykins | i'm browsing the Dell Outlet for a new PC for someone | 16:39 |
| daftykins | i5 4590, 8GB RAM and 500GB HDD for £260! | 16:39 |
| daftykins | throw in an SSD and that's £308 | 16:39 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: was 1,50 euro to send lol, didnt know it was so cheap to the uk | 16:40 |
| daftykins | :O | 16:40 |
| daftykins | magic :) | 16:40 |
| daftykins | i bet it wouldn't be that cheap to return if it doesn't work XD | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | if it doesnt work you can keep it | 16:41 |
| lotuspsychje | use for other machine? | 16:41 |
| daftykins | hmm might be more likely for yourself to run into such age machines, but we'll see how it goes :) | 16:42 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 16:42 |
| pauljw | that's not a bad price for that i5, daftykins | 16:44 |
| ducasse | how well do newer dell laptops work with linux? | 16:45 |
| pauljw | i've had good luck with Dell laptops | 16:45 |
| lotuspsychje | dell and hp are good with linux | 16:45 |
| nacc | dell is probably the best, because they seem to care | 16:46 |
| nacc | i've got a lenovo yoga 900 working with stock ubuntu 16.04 | 16:46 |
| lotuspsychje | nice | 16:46 |
| de-facto | oh really? do dell and hp care about linux driver support when they choose their hw components they bake in laptops? | 16:55 |
| lotuspsychje | i think it has to do with companys using linux and dell or hp servers/printers | 16:56 |
| de-facto | hp printers are awesome on linux | 16:57 |
| lotuspsychje | yeah | 16:57 |
| lotuspsychje | i wish they added all printers by default in the database | 16:57 |
| de-facto | so one would have to buy the business lines from them to get the best lnx compatibility? | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychje | still a nightmare in 2016 to find some type of printer drivers | 16:58 |
| lotuspsychje | de-facto: no, i think if they made it available for business clients, why not support the average user also | 16:58 |
| de-facto | i dont know, maybe because those are cheaper and they dont want to restrict hw selection hence can use the cheapest avail on market currently? | 16:59 |
| de-facto | not sure | 16:59 |
| lotuspsychje | there's a lot going on lately with linux and oem | 17:00 |
| nacc | de-facto: i can't speak for componentry, but at least dell ships certified ubuntu laptops now (with some junk i'm sure) | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | i think snappy will hit the bomb in the future | 17:00 |
| de-facto | also with those preinstalled w10 boxes: i have seen some lenovo subnotebooks for under 200€ in a store with w10 | 17:00 |
| lotuspsychje | dang | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | thats cheap | 17:01 |
| de-facto | i almost was tempted to take my ubuntu stick out and ask if i could try to boot it | 17:01 |
| lotuspsychje | i wish all those brands were barebone | 17:01 |
| daftykins | your chances can vary wildly at the budget level | 17:02 |
| de-facto | lenovo 100S-11IBY 80R2002KGE but i guess those are really slow | 17:03 |
| de-facto | daftykins yeah thats what i meant | 17:03 |
| lotuspsychje | bbl soupertime, have a nice one guys | 17:04 |
| daftykins | the 100S iirc is the cheap atom toy with a 32GB eMMC 'SSD' ? avoid. | 17:04 |
| de-facto | yeah i was just curious seeing that one, i wont buy it | 17:09 |
| pauljw | biab... | 17:14 |
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| baizon | lol https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2016/05/20/microsofts-approach-terrorist-content-online/#sm.0001vcdpdxpq2fm210j99wn6863ni | 18:16 |
| baizon | and a second lol https://i.imgur.com/3aUIbfv.jpg | 18:17 |
| OerHeks | auch .. hi hi | 18:20 |
| OerHeks | troesty .. | 18:20 |
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