[02:33] <JanC> depending on how your system works, pulling the boot drive might have no immediate effect...
[02:39] <Bashing-om> JanC: Well .. I did bring it back online after powering down with it disconnected . Connected the drive backup, reset bios , fsck .. restarted apps . I see no harm done . whewhhh . ( log files are huge . I expect log rotate to deal with that in time ) .
[02:43] <JanC> I was rather referring to possible setups where you don't actually use the boot drive after booting  :)
[02:43] <JanC> but happy your system is okay anyway
[02:45] <JanC> not sure why you reset the BIOS really?
[02:49] <Bashing-om> JanC: Well .. when I rebooted .. guess what .. bios did not see that hard drive ! .. ouch ! ( initially stick on the bios boot screen, going no further ) . When I got around to verifying the boot drive, that 1st hard drive was not in the boot order ) . Was an adventure !
[02:50] <Bashing-om> stuck*
[02:52] <JanC> you can't just tell it to boot from whatever is the first bootable drive it can find?
[03:01] <Bashing-om> JanC: Point was .. that upon reboot .. that drive was not known to bios . Complete power down .. and the rediscovery process .. The prefered boot device had to be reset, as bios still reflected a secondary drive as the primary boot device .
[03:04] <JanC> well, some firmwares allow you to not have a preferred boot device, in which case it will figure out one to boot from on its own?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> JanC: One would thunk it , Bios goes looking where to hand off too; In my case there is boot code on that secondary drive. But it did not boot, just hung there seeking I guess . Think'n bout it .. maybe best I re-install the boot code on that 2nd hard drive .
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:27] <ducasse> morning everyone!
[06:30] <Bashing-om> wb ducasse . Bout time for me to go off .
[06:30] <ducasse> go get some sleep :)
[06:31] <Bashing-om> sooooonnn ... zzzzzzzz
[06:58] <Bashing-om> Time!
[08:00] <thesushimanoftao> So did i find the right room to discuss technical issues regarding ip camera recording using ubuntu?
[08:00] <thesushimanoftao> or at least a valid room for that discussion?
[08:01] <ducasse> right place, but kinda quiet at the moment.
[08:49] <thesushimanoftao> how are you ducasse
[08:50] <ducasse> good, thanks. you? finally good weather here, after five solid days of rain...
[08:50] <thesushimanoftao> finally a gray day in New Mexico
[08:51] <ducasse> we're not too spoiled by sun and warm weather here in norway :)
[08:52] <thesushimanoftao> true
[08:53] <thesushimanoftao> so care to geek out for a moment on data xfer and linux server?
[08:53] <ducasse> sure :)
[08:54] <thesushimanoftao> ip cameras require about 10 mbs xfer rate @1080 video
[08:54] <ducasse> i need to reinstall my fileserver today, i'm just putting it off because i really don't want to do it.
[08:54] <thesushimanoftao> maybe this will bore you enough to do it
[08:54] <ducasse> how many cameras do you need?
[08:54] <thesushimanoftao> as many as i can
[08:55] <thesushimanoftao> they are so cheap now I would love 20
[08:56] <thesushimanoftao> my thinking is that because i am not processing the data, just storing it that cpu horsepower while relevant to getting the data from the network
[08:56] <thesushimanoftao> is not going to be as negatively affecting the function as if I was real time editing
[08:57] <thesushimanoftao> so a dual core envirnonment with lots of ram would suffice for the data acquisition
[08:58] <thesushimanoftao> and truth to be told I kind of want to approach it in a see how many before a $200 server drops
[08:58] <ducasse> depends on how you receive the data, i guess.
[08:58] <thesushimanoftao> I trust ubuntu to handle the acquisition and the RAID
[08:59] <thesushimanoftao> coming in off of 1gb network
[08:59] <thesushimanoftao> the pipe is bigger than data flow
[08:59] <thesushimanoftao> RAID is faster than dataflow
[09:00] <ducasse> you will be needing a ton of ram, though...
[09:00] <thesushimanoftao> i just haven't designed a server envirnonment in so long that i want to make sure my current OS and HW assumptions are accurate
[09:00] <thesushimanoftao> for data buffering?
[09:01] <ducasse> yes.
[09:02] <thesushimanoftao> SATA raid is seeing througputs of 300+mbs with raid 5
[09:03] <ducasse> that's true, but you will still need a bit of memory if you have a lot of streams.
[09:03] <thesushimanoftao> and just to confirm traditional network management functions have gotten so small that actual load of ubuntu should be insignificant in the operating environment
[09:04] <thesushimanoftao> 64gb should have a lot of buffer
[09:05] <ducasse> there aren't a lot of bits of the os you are actually going to need, you basically need a network stack and a disk subsystem.
[09:06] <thesushimanoftao> next question is there a way to directly catch the stream, or would I need to have a software layer
[09:07] <thesushimanoftao> there are video surveilance software systems out there which I think could work, but if I am approaching it as purely data capture, not editing should i look for a direct solution
[09:08] <ducasse> depends on the cameras, most can transmit a stream you can just pick up.
[09:09] <thesushimanoftao> that is my thinking also
[09:09] <ducasse> i know the vlc command line client can pick them up, maybe ffmpeg also. you migh use it with something like nc if not.
[09:11] <thesushimanoftao> and it will operate in command lines side by side for as many streams as memory would allow?
[09:11] <thesushimanoftao> while maintaining the buffering required
[09:12] <ducasse> i assume so, but i've never tried. the docs should tell you.
[09:13] <ducasse> check vlc-nox.
[09:26] <thesushimanoftao> thank you for an intelligent discussion
[09:28] <ducasse> np. been lookin at the vlc docs, it seems to be what you are after, videolan.org/doc
[09:30] <thesushimanoftao> all the time stamps should be based on the server if I am using it as my time server also right? especially since there is no connection between this network and the internet
[09:30] <thesushimanoftao> if there is only one time server everyone syncs to it
[09:31] <ducasse> i would think so, yes. the time stamps would be set to whenever the files are written.
[10:26] <de-facto> Wenn die Übernahme von Monsanto durch Bayer Realität wird wäre es die teuerste Übernahme der deutschen Unternehmensübernahmen: http://boerse.ard.de/aktien/die-groessten-uebernahmen-deutscher-konzerne100.html
[10:26] <de-facto> oops wrong post
[10:27] <de-facto> never mind me, i still need a coffee to wake up properly LOL
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:57] <ducasse> hi :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse, pauljw
[12:08] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[12:08] <pauljw> everyone
[13:12] <pauljw> biab...
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Hey lotuspsychje
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj & OerHeks
[13:50] <OerHeks> hi di hi
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:02] <ducasse> afternoon, lotuspsychje
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: hows the wiki thing going?
[14:03] <ducasse> i'm working on it :) i've got a couple of other projects that need to be prioritized, like swapping the failing root disk in my fileserver...
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:04] <ducasse> i'll also be doing a fresh install of xenial on my desktop, so i'll write most of it as i do that, then i can just write down the steps.
[14:05] <ducasse> hope to start that tomorrow :)
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> no rush
[14:06] <ducasse> i know, but i'll get it done :)
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/you-can-finally-buy-official-ubuntu-stickers-for-your-laptop-and-desktop-pc-504446.shtml
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hurry OerHeks !
[14:19] <OerHeks> pretty expensive, no?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> 10$ discount! :p
[14:21] <OerHeks> i still have a few bubble patches, like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/blob.JPG
[14:22] <OerHeks> yes, i have lamp on my HP-i3
[14:22] <OerHeks> :_D
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> those are nice
[14:22] <OerHeks> sure are, white on orange/orange on white
[14:23] <OerHeks> next time there is a canonical seminar, join!
[14:23] <OerHeks> (for the seminar, not just the goodies)
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> well i had a job test today and im hired :p
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> less irc time is comming : (
[14:24] <OerHeks> congrats!
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> tnx, the good news is i will eb able to start my ubuntu store soon
[14:24] <OerHeks> do they want 48-y old guys too?
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> yes
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> its a great company, le pain quotidien
[14:25] <Ben64> do they want americans
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: also
[14:26] <OerHeks> yeah, let ubuntu take over that business
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: they are spreaded all over the world
[14:26] <Ben64> ooh
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> there's one in new york an la
[14:26] <Ben64> i'm close to la
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> http://www.lepainquotidien.com/landing/international/#.V0W2PJ5b-1M
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> check this out
[14:27] <OerHeks> hmm a few in Amsterdam
[14:27] <Ben64> close in california terms at least
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> gonna work in the kitchen
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> but its not real cooking kitchen
[14:28] <OerHeks> ah, a softwarekitchen?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> all food comes to the stores pre-made
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> lol OerHeks
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> you only have to throw in on a plate
[14:37] <ducasse> congrats on the job, lotuspsychje! looking forward to starting?
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: thank you mate, yes 2 weeks they will educate me on other location
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: and its 10min walk from my house
[14:39] <ducasse> brilliant, no commute :)
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: then i will start my sideby job ubuntu store
[14:41] <ducasse> selling support etc?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: will be a sort of system76, but much cheaper, and personally tweaked boxes, tablets,phones
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> with only the 850 pro ssd series
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: will do alot of win to ubuntu converting of existing machines also
[14:43] <ducasse> i see. there would be almost zero market for something like that here, unfortunately...
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: its crazy how much ppl dont know about linux still..
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> i wanna change that
[14:44] <ducasse> i know. #ubuntu-no has maybe 20 people in it, and nobody has said anything in there in the last week or so.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the hardest part for me is finding the perfect barebone company
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> i need no Os, no hd, no ram by default
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> and preferable customizable keyboard languages
[14:49] <ducasse> hmm. have you found anything that looks good? it's going to be difficult to compete, the big manufacturers can push things pretty cheap...
[14:50] <ducasse> i'm not trying to be negative, just curious :)
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yes found those clevo machines pretty interesting
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw you are the 55th user, you have won todays price!
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> pauljw: grab your price here: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawa57mie61r5wodgo1_1280.jpg
[15:38] <OerHeks> or, you can exchange it for a lifetime membership of the 55th-user-society
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:38] <OerHeks> but then you are only allowed as 55th user, ofcourse
[15:38] <pauljw> awesome lotuspsychje, and thank goodnesss for that option OerHeks
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> some users give a dejavu experiences :p
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> hi baizon, you are the 54th user today
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> you have won the second price: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawa57mie61r5wodgo1_1280.jpg
[16:11] <pauljw> lol
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> its called: dutch warfare fries
[16:12] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[16:12] <pauljw> it actually looks pretty good
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah we belgians eat every kind of fries
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> the fatter, the better
[16:14] <pauljw> i love fries with brown gravy...
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> what gravy mean?
[16:15] <pauljw> sauce
[16:15] <nacc> like poutine?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> contributes to the McButt syndrome
[16:15] <nacc> heh
[16:15] <pauljw> brown is usually beef based
[16:15] <pauljw> :)
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> ahhh stoofvleessaus!
[16:15] <pauljw> yeah, that...  ??
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:16] <nacc> heh
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> lol BluesKaj
[16:17] <BluesKaj> odd I've never tried potine and I'm a sucker for fries, cheese and  gravy
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> hi de-facto
[16:17] <BluesKaj> poutine rather
[16:18] <nacc> BluesKaj: it's really big in the US pacific northwest now, almost every pub here serves a version of it. I think Portland (where I live) even has an annual contest now :)
[16:18] <nacc> well, by "now", i mean a few years ago possibly :)
[16:18] <de-facto> hey guys
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> nacc: all you can eat contest?
[16:20] <nacc> lotuspsychje: best poutine contest :)
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> oh
[16:20] <nacc> lotuspsychje: a couple of our local papers do those just about every week -- best donut in portland, best ramen in portland, etc. And that's turned into 'donut week'
[16:20] <BluesKaj> started in Quebec , but poutine has barely caught on in the rest of Canada
[16:20] <nacc> and 'ramen week' :)
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> i love those american burger stores where you have to eat like 5Kg meat in 15min
[16:20] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i love the use of the verb "have to" :)
[16:21] <nacc> as that is totally accurate
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:21] <nacc> it becomes involuntary somehow
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> youl end on the wall of fame nacc !
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> or shame :p
[16:21] <BluesKaj> nacc, substitute "must" for "have to"
[16:22] <nacc> lotuspsychje: and to be clear, not criticizing your phrasing, just finding it funny how true it is
[16:22] <nacc> lotuspsychje: the only walls i'd want to end up on are for various spicy food contests ... but even though i find less appealing as i get older
[16:22] <pauljw> nacc we eventually get old enough to just not get started in any "have to" eating exercise :)
[16:23] <ducasse> gotta ask, wth is poutine?
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgbUqgQL2N4
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> lol no way
[16:23] <nacc> pauljw: ack!
[16:23] <nacc> ducasse: french fries + curds + gravy
[16:23] <nacc> ducasse: usually at a pub or diner, aiui
[16:24] <BluesKaj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
[16:24] <ducasse> dear $deity, that sounds fatal.
[16:24] <nacc> heh
[16:24] <BluesKaj> ducasse,^
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqRrZUhr00g
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> jesus...
[16:27] <daftykins> o/
[16:27] <daftykins> if you can't bite through it it's a waste ;)
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:28] <BluesKaj> daftykins, well, you can bite thru it and it will affect your waist
[16:29] <daftykins> :D i was thinking of all the layers at once, since that's where the taste comes from :D
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> hi daftykins :p
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: rams are sent by yesterday
[16:37] <daftykins> ooh thank you sir :D
[16:37] <pauljw> hey daftykins
[16:37] <daftykins> \o
[16:39] <daftykins> i'm browsing the Dell Outlet for a new PC for someone
[16:39] <daftykins> i5 4590, 8GB RAM and 500GB HDD for £260!
[16:39] <daftykins> throw in an SSD and that's £308
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: was 1,50 euro to send lol, didnt know it was so cheap to the uk
[16:40] <daftykins> :O
[16:40] <daftykins> magic :)
[16:41] <daftykins> i bet it wouldn't be that cheap to return if it doesn't work XD
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> if it doesnt work you can keep it
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> use for other machine?
[16:42] <daftykins> hmm might be more likely for yourself to run into such age machines, but we'll see how it goes :)
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:44] <pauljw> that's not a bad price for that i5, daftykins
[16:45] <ducasse> how well do newer dell laptops work with linux?
[16:45] <pauljw> i've had good luck with Dell laptops
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> dell and hp are good with linux
[16:46] <nacc> dell is probably the best, because they seem to care
[16:46] <nacc> i've got a lenovo yoga 900 working with stock ubuntu 16.04
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> nice
[16:55] <de-facto> oh really? do dell and hp care about linux driver support when they choose their hw components they bake in laptops?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> i think it has to do with companys using linux and dell or hp servers/printers
[16:57] <de-facto> hp printers are awesome on linux
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> i wish they added all printers by default in the database
[16:58] <de-facto> so one would have to buy the business lines from them to get the best lnx compatibility?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> still a nightmare in 2016 to find some type of printer drivers
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> de-facto: no, i think if they made it available for business clients, why not support the average user also
[16:59] <de-facto> i dont know, maybe because those are cheaper and they dont want to restrict hw selection hence can use the cheapest avail on market currently?
[16:59] <de-facto> not sure
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> there's a lot going on lately with linux and oem
[17:00] <nacc> de-facto: i can't speak for componentry, but at least dell ships certified ubuntu laptops now (with some junk i'm sure)
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> i think snappy will hit the bomb in the future
[17:00] <de-facto> also with those preinstalled w10 boxes: i have seen some lenovo subnotebooks for under 200€ in a store with w10
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> dang
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> thats cheap
[17:01] <de-facto> i almost was tempted to take my ubuntu stick out and ask if i could try to boot it
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> i wish all those brands were barebone
[17:02] <daftykins> your chances can vary wildly at the budget level
[17:03] <de-facto> lenovo 100S-11IBY 80R2002KGE but i guess those are really slow
[17:03] <de-facto> daftykins yeah thats what i meant
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> bbl soupertime, have a nice one guys
[17:04] <daftykins> the 100S iirc is the cheap atom toy with a 32GB eMMC 'SSD' ? avoid.
[17:09] <de-facto> yeah i was just curious seeing that one, i wont buy it
[17:14] <pauljw> biab...
[18:16] <baizon> lol https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2016/05/20/microsofts-approach-terrorist-content-online/#sm.0001vcdpdxpq2fm210j99wn6863ni
[18:17] <baizon> and a second lol https://i.imgur.com/3aUIbfv.jpg
[18:20] <OerHeks> auch .. hi hi
[18:20] <OerHeks> troesty ..