[01:52] <jabawok> Morning all (aus), wondering if anyone knows much about the low power mode that bluetooth/wireless goes into when you turn the screen off.
[01:52] <jabawok> i've done a fair bit of googling but theres not much info out there
[01:53] <jabawok> i'm playing podcasts from a custom script in a vivid chroot on an E5HD. - through headphones everything works beautifully
[01:53] <jabawok> you can turn the screen off and podcasts play for the whole day.
[01:54] <jabawok> on bluetooth however, as soon as the screen is turned off, the audio stutters and cuts out for seconds at a time. as soon as the screen is turned on, bluetooth audio is solid again.
[01:55] <jabawok> I'm assuming its a power saving mode. can anyone give me any clues on where to look in ubuntu touch to see where this mode is being activated, and if there are any API's or ways to block the low power mode from activating?
[01:56] <jabawok> wireless also seems to go into a very low power mode when the screen is off and charger unplugged: packet loss and latency goes through the roof as soon as the screen goes black.
[04:55] <JustinHitla> so, how is it going with ubuntu phones ? are the become popular or still a feature for developers,geeks ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: alot of devices already been sold
[04:56] <JustinHitla> what is the cheapest ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: but depends much on the user itself, how many android apps he want or not
[04:56] <JustinHitla> is it under $200 ?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: i bought my bq 4.5 for 169 euro
[04:57] <JustinHitla> are apps for ubuntu phones specially made or you can install anything that normal ubuntu can use ?
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: apps are specially made, for security reasons you can install the terminal way
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> cant
[04:59] <JustinHitla> lotuspsychje: by the way when you used your first ubuntu phone, what was the main difference in compare to android ?
[04:59] <JustinHitla> I mean what one should be prepare when choosing to buy ubuntu phone ?
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: the missing android apps
[05:00] <JustinHitla> I use so far web browser and video player
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: before you buy, you should consider if the apps will fit your needs on ubuntu-touch
[05:00] <JustinHitla> how many apps so far available ? hundreds ? southands ?
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: basic apps are all there
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: didnt count exactly but i think more then 300 apps
[05:01] <JustinHitla> but I would like to use real linux programms, like wireshark, nmap and all others for penetration testing, are they compatible ?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: no, like i said you cant install the terminal way like on ubuntu
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: you need a real click app for a program
[05:02] <JustinHitla> and it will not change in the future ?
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: the security model will keep the same
[05:02] <JustinHitla> could've been convenient
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: but many things are changing overall for ubuntu
[05:03] <JustinHitla> but for those who don't care or confident enough there have to be a way to install normall programms
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: for example, one can install ubuntu-desktop on a windows based tablet, install unity8 and install whatever you want
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> snap packages and convergence have joined the scene aswell
[05:04] <JustinHitla> so it will boils with time to something usable anyway, right ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: its already very usable
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> i use as daily driver here
[05:05] <JustinHitla> lotuspsychje: how battery usage in compare to android ? better ?
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: it all depends what the user wants exactly
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: that depends from device to device i think, but overall battery usage is good on ubuntu-touch
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> no extreme draining
[05:10] <JustinHitla> so its canonical behind it right ? does canonical controlls hardware vendors like apple does with its phones or something or every vendor is free to choose or not to use ubuntu like it is for android phones ? I mean what strategy canonical uses to make it product popular ?
[05:11] <JustinHitla> vendors needs some sertification from canonical or something to install ubuntu-touch on their phones ?
[05:13] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: those are oem deals with canonical
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> JustinHitla: vendor is free to choose, but on the ubuntu way
[05:24] <lauri> JustinHitla: lotuspsychje again does not seem to realise that if you want to hack on the device then yes you can. apt and most of the Ubuntu command line is there, fiddling around on the command line of course might break things
[05:27] <lauri> NetworkManager, pulseaudio is there; Xorg is replaced with Mir and then you'll find device specific blobs running
[05:28] <JustinHitla> is there bluez with all those tools hciconf, hcitool ?
[05:29] <lauri> JustinHitla: yes, regular Ubuntu bluetooth stack seems to be there
[05:30] <lauri> I am going to try to get RFCOMM virtual serial line working over Bluetooth soon :D
[05:30] <lauri> to connect some microcontrollers to the device
[05:34] <tathhu_> lauri: damn. :D
[06:19] <TomLee> does anyone know if an ubuntu-touch application can use Polymer/webcomponents? Or rather can there be a webapp that uses them?
[09:30] <knut__> When i connect with adb to ubuntu phone, the charset is really twisted, and when the input to bash is wrong. Like this this picture: http://postimg.org/image/cmo8jtf2z/ Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[09:32] <ogra_> you can install phablet-tools from the PPA and use phablet-shell ... that spawns a proper ssh connection over adb ... or you could use ssh directly via WLAN
[09:33] <ogra_> the adb shell is rather crap ... good for emergency stuff but not really for working
[09:33] <knut__> ogra_, im at work on a windows computer TT. can I install phablet-tools on the device??
[09:34] <ogra_> no, thats a tool for the PC ... only for ubuntu
[09:36] <ogra_> knut__, http://askubuntu.com/a/599041/514251
[09:36] <knut__> ogra_, ok, ill look into putting ubuntu in virtualbox..
[09:36] <ogra_> the above should work with ssh and putty
[09:36] <ogra_> err
[09:36] <ogra_> with adb and putty
[09:44] <knut__> ogra_, thks Ill look into the ssh setup
[09:59] <Emawolf> Hello, I am an Ubuntu Phone user, and while searching for IM clients/alternatives I found Loqui IM for Firefox os here https://github.com/loqui/im/issues/551
[09:59] <Emawolf> I saw there was an Ubuntu Touch port too, https://github.com/loqui/im/tree/dev/platform/ubuntu-touch but maybe it's discontinued
[10:01] <Emawolf> I searched around to know how Loqui works, especially for Whatsapp services because UT still lacks of a Whatsapp client, and found that Loqui works with Whatsapp servers via TCP sockets
[10:01] <Emawolf> If the official app port is discontinued, could someone use the same method as Loqui's to develop a Whatsapp client?
[10:07] <Emawolf> Or maybe try the
[10:08] <Emawolf> porting by using snappy packages for dependences?
[10:11] <mcphail> Emawolf: from what I've heard, whatsapp are fairly aggressive in shutting down or banning unofficial clients. Sounds like a waste of time, unfortunately
[10:14] <Emawolf_> mcphail I know that, but it seems that Loqui team has no problems with this
[10:14] <Emawolf_> Also the managed to work with WA's new end-to-end encryption too.... but unfortunately I don't know how they can do this
[10:15] <mcphail> I think they use an open protocol for that
[10:15]  * mcphail has never actually used whatsapp
[10:16] <Emawolf_> So for Ubuntu Touch there aren't any chances? If we wait for WA's team, we will have our official client in centuries
[10:16] <Emawolf_> I don't use Whatsapp either, but Ubuntu lacks of killer apps :(
[10:16] <mcphail> Emawolf_: you could build it yourself, or persuade another dev to build it for you. But it will be hard to convince someone to spend time building someting which will be shut down
[10:17] <brunch875> it grinds my gears how many people use whatsapp
[10:17] <Emawolf_> mcphail I know... it's frustrating. I think the only possibility is to wait for an official client
[10:17] <brunch875> I had hoped google talk would be more popular since it's installed by default on any android device
[10:18] <Emawolf_> Me too... everyone uses Whatsapp, and I'm forced to use it even if I don't like it at all
[10:19] <brunch875> I've convinced a couple of people to use telegram
[10:20] <Emawolf_> Me too but they gave up quite soon because was not as popular
[10:20] <ogra_> mcphail, Emawolf_ they not only shut down the clients but also your account ... i doubt anyone would want to be responsible for that
[10:21] <Emawolf_> Now I use my BQ E5 as an everyday phone but I'm forced to use an android tab for Whatsapp -_-
[10:21] <mcphail> ogra_: in the longer term, that would force people onto telegram ;)
[10:21] <ogra_> tell whatsapp
[10:21] <ogra_> mcphail, hah, indeed :)
[10:22] <Emawolf_> mcphail: but people feel ok with their official clients... heh
[10:22] <Emawolf_> So I don't think they'll have any of these problems
[10:22] <mcphail> Emawolf_: sounds as if you need to trick all your friends into using an unofficial whatsapp client, get them banned ... -> profit!
[10:23] <Emawolf_> mcphail: not bad.... xD
[10:23] <Emawolf_> Thanks for the suggestion
[10:23] <mcphail> Emawolf_: happy to help
[10:24] <ogra_> heh
[10:24] <Emawolf_> Being honest, do you think Whatsapp team will ever release an Ubuntu Touch client or give Canonical permissions to develop one?
[10:24] <ogra_> who knows
[10:24] <mcphail> Emawolf_: realistically, whatsapp is never coming to Ubuntu. They seem to be dropping support for smaller platforms rather than expanding. I think it will fall out of fashion before an official client would be produced
[10:25] <Emawolf_> mcphail: I agree....
[10:25] <Emawolf_> And hope for that xD+
[10:25] <mcphail> Emawolf_: the only comfort I can give you is all social media and messaging platforms die quickly
[10:25] <mcphail> Emawolf_: even the mighty facebook is young, but in apparent decline
[10:25] <Emawolf_> yes....
[10:26] <Emawolf_> I don't use facebook to much except for my University group...
[10:27] <Emawolf_> Maybe, a Line/Viber/somethingelse client would be easier to develop, Line even supports FirefoxOS
[10:35] <brunch875> huh I'm seriously considering making publicity for telegram
[10:35] <Emawolf_> brunch875: me too
[10:35] <Emawolf_> brunch875: but if some
[10:36] <Emawolf_> developers would like to port a line client they'll do me a favour xD
[10:37] <brunch875> how's that? Isn't line closed like whatsapp?
[10:37] <Emawolf_> Guys, how can I export my contacts from the addressbook to a vcf card?
[10:38] <Emawolf_> brunch875: Uhm... I don't know if it's closed, but it supports Firefox OS so maybe someone could ask for an Ubuntu Client too
[10:40] <brunch875> well, at least it has an API, so there's that
[10:40] <brunch875> whatsapp is just... evil :[
[10:40] <Emawolf_> I agree xD
[10:42] <Emawolf_> brunch875: who could be interested in porting it? Or ask to the team if they're interested in Ubuntu Touch?
[10:43] <brunch875> Well, I have no idea... I guess I could port it myself but I don't really have that much free time
[10:44] <Emawolf_> brunch875: unfortunately I have no knowledge in programming :( but we can keep in contact and I could ask directly to line team in the meantime
[10:44] <brunch875> it shouldn't be too complex if there's an API available
[10:45] <brunch875> at least nothing like whatsapp hunting down third parties
[10:45] <Emawolf_> brunch875: can we exchange our emails? So maybe we could work on it
[10:46] <Emawolf_> brunch875: if you want
[10:46] <brunch875> sorry man, I can't jump into new projects right now. No time :/
[10:47] <Emawolf_> brunch875: no worries :) I'll try asking directly to line team
[10:47] <Emawolf_> brunch875: ah, and.... I'm a girl :P
[11:49] <crs___> there is a bug on pro5. i have sim in slot 2 and the network indicator now shows a huge symbol for the connection type (huge E at the moment)
[11:50] <crs___> i think the size of the symbol should be much much smaller
[11:52] <davmor2> crs___: erm no that is the right size
[11:53] <davmor2> crs___: it replaces the same size wifi indicator, it possibly looks bigger because it is a rectangle rather than a triangle
[11:55] <crs___> i am talking about the symbol that you see, wehen you drag the statusbar down. it is seriously large. will try to upload a screenshot
[11:59] <crs___> here is a screenshot of the bug: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-30755998/screenshot20160525_135712784.png.html
[12:00] <popey> haha, that's ludicrously huge
[12:00] <davmor2> crs___: hmmm mine is the same size as the one in the indicator
[12:00] <popey> crs___: you on stable or rc-proposed?
[12:01] <crs___> rc-proposed, r87
[12:01] <popey> lemme test mine
[12:02] <davmor2> popey: I think it triggers if you switch from 2g to 4g and back a few times
[12:03] <crs___> i can confirm that i did switch. it was on 2g only by default. i switched to 2g+3g
[12:03] <popey> holy cow the pro 5 boots fast
[12:04] <davmor2> crs___: if you reboot does is switch back to normal size
[12:04] <popey> mine flips between 4G and H, I rarely get E
[12:05] <crs___> i didn't reboot since it happened. i thought it might be useful to help you in debuging
[12:05] <davmor2> popey: no go into mobile settings and flip it from 4g/3g/2g/ to just 2g and back again
[12:05] <popey> yeah, thats what I did
[12:06] <popey> can't reproduce it here, sorry
[12:06] <crs___> do you have your sim in slot 2 ?
[12:06] <popey> yes
[12:06] <popey> i have an SD card in slot 1
[12:07] <crs___> ok, i will try to reboot and reproduce it.
[12:08] <crs___> another small thing about the pro5: is it possible to decrease the mnimal brightness a bit? because right now it is very bright, even on lowest setting
[12:09] <davmor2> popey: when you switch to 2g swipe down the indicator when there is no cellular symbol
[12:09] <ogra_> best is you file a bug
[12:10] <popey> crs___: actually, it is possible :)
[12:10] <ogra_> popey, how do you know ?
[12:10] <popey> crs___: as root, echo 1 into /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/pwm-backlight.0/brightness   :)
[12:10] <popey> seems the slider in system settings makes it 10 as the minimum
[12:10] <popey> which isn't the lowest it will go
[12:10] <popey> should file a bug in system settings to let it go lower
[12:11] <ogra_> yeah
[12:11]  * popey runs a script which flips between 1 and 255
[12:11] <popey> strobeeeeeeeee
[12:11]  * popey freaks out
[12:12] <davmor2> popey: man you crazy
[12:13] <popey> okr
[12:13] <popey> er, ikr
[12:16] <crs___> btw, don't order a screen protector for your pro5. it will not work because the glas is curved :(
[12:18] <crs___> i received mine today. the priblem now is, that the bend already begins before the front cam. this means that there now is air between the cam and the protector -> picture slightly blurry
[12:18] <popey> aw
[12:18] <popey> mhall119: https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/Ealeulv/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/united-states
[12:18] <popey> seems you can't have nice things in the USA
[12:19] <popey> only one LTE band and no 3G bands
[12:20] <davmor2> popey: unless you are on verizon then you just cry :D
[12:22] <popey> no LTE here either https://www.frequencycheck.com/compatibility/NYxlcrl/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/united-kingdom
[12:23] <popey> oh, some https://www.frequencycheck.com/carrier-compatibility/8KypS29/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-m576-dual-sim-td-lte-32gb-meizu-niux/3-three-united-kingdom
[12:40] <ogra_> oSoMoN, was there already a way to force the camera to front by default in a webapp-container
[12:46] <Mirv> popey: that information seems incorrect for Pro 5 with some first googling that claims FDD-LTE 1/3/7 and TD-LTE 38/39/40/41 should be supported unlike what frequencycheck claims
[12:46] <oSoMoN> ogra_, not yet, but alex-abreu is working on it
[12:46] <Mirv> (frequencycheck seems to indicate eg FDD-LTE 7 not being supported)
[12:47] <alex-abreu> ogra_, coming soon
[12:48] <ogra_> oSoMoN, alex-abreu , ah thanks ...
[12:48] <ogra_> browser works fine btw
[12:48] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[12:48] <ogra_> ;)
[12:48] <ogra_> (thats on the pro5, making a call from my private account to my calonical account ... no lag or anything ... works realyl nicely)
[12:49] <ogra_> *canonical
[12:50] <alex-abreu> ogra_, the 2 sides of you
[12:50] <ogra_> heh
[12:50] <Mirv> popey: it's hard to find precise information, but based on current state of the Internet I'd says it's a safe assumption most data is incorrect or only partially complete
[12:50] <ogra_> sadly it only works once ...
[12:50] <ogra_> seems the camera doesnt get freed up properly after the session
[12:51] <ogra_> if i try a second cvall it only has audio
[12:51] <alex-abreu> ogra_, do you have access to the hg settings?
[12:53] <ogra_> alex-abreu, hg = hangout ?
[12:53] <alex-abreu> ogra_, yes
[12:53] <ogra_> yes, i do ... when it works it actually says there is no camera ...
[12:53] <ogra_> when it doesnt i can select front/back camera in the settings
[12:54] <popey> Mirv: interesting!
[12:54] <alex-abreu> ogra_, and selecting either doesn't change the fact that in the end it doesn't work?
[12:54] <ogra_> right
[12:55] <alex-abreu> ogra_, ok, since I am roughly playing in the area of the handling code for media capture code in oxide I'll try to repro & check what happens, you are on pro5 right?
[12:55] <ogra_> yep
[12:57] <davmor2> ogra_: why you look like a startled bunny
[12:58] <ogra_> davmor2, because of the snappy snake on the screen in front of me indeed
[12:59] <davmor2> surely the screen in front of you is just a picture of the side of you :D
[12:59] <ogra_> alex-abreu, hmm, so something clearly doesnt free up the camera service ... when i open the camera app now it tells me it has no permissions
[13:00] <ogra_> davmor2, ssshhh
[13:00] <davmor2> ogra_: is the snappy snake
[13:00] <ogra_> alex-abreu, i think it might be related to lifecycle mgmt ... to upload the screenshot i indeed switched apps for a moment
[13:01] <alex-abreu> ogra_, do you have many apps opened?
[13:01]  * ogra_ guesses there is some idling stuck camera service now
[13:01] <ogra_> no
[13:01] <ogra_> only browser and gallery
[13:01] <ogra_> but i switched between them to share the screenshot to imgur
[13:02] <ogra_> during that the hangout disconnected
[13:02] <ogra_> now when i start anything using the camera it says the permissions are unset (which is a lie)
[13:03] <alex-abreu> ogra_, so there is a state mismatch
[13:03] <ogra_> yeah
[13:03] <ogra_> i guess the browser needs to detach when it goes to bg
[13:04] <alex-abreu> ogra_, well it should automatically be handles by the stack/oxide afaik, I'll check
[13:04]  * ogra_ reboots the phone
[13:06] <ogra_> ok, after fresh boot we are fine again
[13:07] <alex-abreu> ogra_, no surprise there
[13:12] <ogra_> on the secod try the browser even remembered the front camera ...
[13:12] <ogra_> on thew third it has it forgotten again and i cant switch them anymore from inside the hangouts site
[13:13] <ogra_> i have to go to the browser settings once and select the front camera (which was sdelected before), then the "flip camera" button inside the HO site works
[13:14]  * mcphail 's ears prick up
[13:15] <mcphail> video calling working???
[13:15] <ogra_> mcphail, rc-proposed
[13:15] <ogra_> but yeah
[13:15] <ogra_> hangouts at least
[13:15] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[13:15] <mcphail> ogra_: nice! Well done!
[13:15] <ogra_> not my work :)
[13:15] <mcphail> Nice done whoever did it then ;)
[13:15] <ogra_> i'm just the poor user who tried it and found the bugs now :)
[13:16]  * mcphail plays some Huey Lewis and gets his hoverboard
[13:19] <mcphail> Let's see if they can do Ubuntu on Air on an Ubuntu phone next week
[13:20] <ogra_> make sure you have a charger attached though :)
[13:29] <mhall119> popey: that's what I was afraid of :(
[13:58] <morphis> mhall119: you asked yesterday about what would be required to enable aethercast on community devices, right?
[14:00] <mhall119> morphis: yes, specifically for mariogrip who's device images are already using Android 5.x
[14:01] <mhall119> mcphail: I didn't mention it, but I was hosting the last Ubuntu On Air from the Ubuntu webbrowser on my desktop
[14:02] <mhall119> mcphail: but, I think the webRTC stuff defaults to using the rear-facing camera on devices, and there's not currently an interface to change that, so it might not "just work"
[14:02] <mhall119> oSoMoN: ^^ is that something that can be fixed in the browser/oxide side of things?
[14:03] <morphis> mhall119, mariogrip: so if you want any further information feel free to ping me
[14:04] <oSoMoN> mhall119, alex-abreu is working on making the front-facing camera the default, but you can already change the default from the settings
[14:04] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, that is a trendy topic this morning
[14:05] <oSoMoN> yes
[14:05] <alex-abreu> mhall119, oSoMoN I am rebasing my MR branches for oxide on git atm
[14:05] <ogra_> heh
[14:05]  * ogra_ feels like he started something 
[14:05] <ogra_> mhall119, http://i.imgur.com/WfZLW6z.png
[14:05] <mcphail> mhall119: that's cool. Feels like progress.
[14:06] <ogra_> takes a bit of fiddling but you can make it work
[14:06] <alex-abreu> it is a sign that people are using it which is nice
[14:06] <mhall119> oSoMoN: which settings?
[14:06] <ogra_> mhall119, security settings in the browser settings
[14:06] <mhall119> oh, ok, will check that out
[14:07] <ogra_> from the burger menu
[14:07] <mhall119> ahoneybun: ^^ FYI
[14:07] <oSoMoN> mhall119, in the drawer menu next to the address bar, under privacy
[14:07] <mhall119> ogra_: are you hanging out with yourself?
[14:07] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah, the break taking ogra talks to his working counterpart
[14:08] <ogra_> (private vs canonical account)
[14:08] <mhall119> ogra_: at least you're in good company :)
[14:08] <ogra_> and he understands me so well !
[14:08]  * mhall119 doubts that
[14:09] <ogra_> both ogras disagree :P
[14:09] <ogra_> see
[14:09] <ogra_> :)
[14:14] <mhall119> of course, the only thing both ogras could agree on is disagreeing with something
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-11-launches-next-week-for-supported-ubuntu-phones-and-tablets-504452.shtml
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> yay!
[15:36] <kaisoz> hi there
[18:38] <tnth> Hello, I hope I am in the right area and am looking for a little coding advice. I nabbed Oliver Grawert G+ code to make a few qml webapps. I created a google-books webapp using his code but I am can't figure out teh code syntax needed to use presistant cookies. The web app is using oxide and qml.
[18:39] <tnth> Side note: I am not a developer so appoligies for missing any terminolgoy.
[21:05] <crs_> is there any up to date tutorial on how to create an ubuntu-phone app?
[21:06] <crs_> i was trying to follow this one: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/
[21:08] <crs_> from this tutorial everything seems to be so simple but in reality it doesn't work. I have to create a 'Kit' and the tutorial completely skips that
[21:10] <mcphail> crs_: you have skipped a chunk of the documentation
[21:11] <mcphail> crs_: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/ - "Start by Installing the Ubuntu SDK". If you follow from there, you will create your kit
[21:12] <dobey> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/apps/sdk/tutorials/running-apps-from-the-sdk/
[21:14] <crs_> Oh, I read: "Follow these easy steps to install the ubuntu sdk" so I did only that. Thank you very much ;)
[21:15] <mcphail> crs_: to be fair, the docs _are_ out of date. It shows a kit with a 14.10 frmework, for instance
[21:16] <davidcalle> mcphail: crs: There should be a new fresh batch of docs with the next OTA
[21:16] <mcphail> davidcalle: cool!
[21:17] <davidcalle> crs_: regarding your app, yes, it seems that kits are not very well explained in the app dev workflow, especially since they have evolved a bit
[21:17] <davidcalle> regarding your app creation issue*
[21:17] <pidu> I've been trying to find any info on wether ota-11 will bring aethercast for the bq phones, does anyone know?
[21:18] <OerHeks> pidu, ask again in #ubuntu-touch, dedicated phone channel
[21:18] <OerHeks> oops we are in touch :-D
[21:18] <pidu> :-)
[21:18] <davidcalle> pidu: afaik, no
[21:19] <pidu> Just Meizu Pro 5 then?
[21:19] <s`> OerHeks: fail lol
[21:19] <crs_> davidcalle: the bigger problem is, that adding a kit doesn't work for me :( maybe it is because of my windowmanager that doesn't present me the password popup
[21:21] <davidcalle> pidu: for now, yeah, but maybe morphis has an eta or some tips to run aethercast on other devices?
[21:22] <dobey> i don't think the e4.5 or e5 are going to get aethercast, because of lack of hardware and/or android5
[21:22] <davidcalle> zbenjamin: if you are around any tips to help crs_ create a kit? eg. from the cli? ^
[21:23] <pidu> dobey: that's unfortunate. I was hoping to dip my toes into convergence a little with my e5, thinking I could upgrade later on if I like it :-(
[21:24] <dobey> pidu: iirc, there's some feature in the wifi hardware that's required for it to work, which the MTK-based phones don't have
[21:25] <dobey> (could be wrong, but that's my basic understanding from bits and pieces i've heard)
[21:26] <pidu> dobey: I'll just have to suck it up and get a meizu one later on then.
[21:27] <dobey> it /might/ work on the m10 tablet, but not entirely sure if that's true or not
[21:31] <pidu> Hah, I wen't with bq for the firefoxos developer phone. That experience was rather horrible. At least the e5 works pretty well as is. But without being able to play with convergence it feels like you're just getting half the concept. Tablet form factor is a little meh.
[21:38] <pidu> My main obstacle with the bq e5 is that switching apps often gives me a visually blurry version and then the app doesn't respond to input, and I guess it might actually be crashing and restarting. Not sure if I'm low on memory or if it's something else. It doesn't seem to matter if I run many apps or just the one or two. Telegram is the worst offender. Sounds familiar?
[21:42] <dobey> no idea. i don't have either aquaris phone
[21:43] <dobey> haven't seen that exactly on either of my nexus phones though
[21:44] <pidu> dobey: ok
[21:46] <dobey> but i've been using ubuntu pretty exclusively on my nexus 5 for 2 years. not seen such blury apps, even when there were crashes