[06:36] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:18] <diplo> Morning all
[07:23] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:42] <diplo> Anyone know much about this ransomware stuff ?
[08:42] <diplo> Wondering if it's easy to identify which one someone is infected with ?
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Towel Day! 😃  ㊷
[09:04] <zmoylan-pi> i know were my towel is...
[09:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_pEDblOH8Y
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rOMGIbY-9s
[09:26] <IsleXpoCom> Morning.
[09:30] <IsleXpoCom> bye checkout the conference www.islexpo.com
[09:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3V_20oD4A have this instead
[11:32] <ging_> anyone have any idea how to flush the dns resolver cache on ubuntu 16.04 ?
[11:46] <davmor2> ging_: did you try sudo /etc/init.d/dns-clean restart?  you can also install nscd and restart that service and dnsmasq I take no blame if you blow up your network though ;)
[11:46] <davmor2> ging_: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/07/flush-dns-cache-ubuntu-13-04-12-10/
[12:15] <ging_> dns-clean restart doesnt seem to work on 16.04
[12:18] <ging_> maybe it does if you run it with init
[12:19] <ging_> not sure it does anything though
[12:24] <Switches> ging_: systemd doesn't keep a cache for resolve afaik, just a sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved should clear it
[13:07] <diplo>  
[13:08] <diddledan> well done, diplo, you win the Internet for the most said with the least words
[13:09] <diddledan> :-p
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> ?
[13:10] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: 14:07 <diplo>
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> i was just adding my 2c without words diddledan
[13:10] <diddledan> oh
[13:10] <diddledan> it seemed like you were questioning :-D
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> it's a quote of the worlds shortest letter :-)
[13:12] <zmoylan-pi> sorry telegram... It is said Hugo was on vacation when Les Misérables (which is over 1200 pages) was published. He telegraphed the single-character message '?' to his publisher, who replied with a single '!'.
[13:13] <diddledan> lol
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> now i'd have been snarky and replied '&' :-P
[13:34] <diplo> :D
[13:34] <diplo> Alt tab+space and hitting enter without noticing excellence diddledan :)
[14:45] <diddledan> this doesn't really seem very "new" to me: https://boingboing.net/2016/05/25/pastejacking-using-malicious.html
[14:45] <penguin42> diddledan: I think it's working around a previous restriction that the web browsers added
[14:46] <diddledan> maybe
[14:47] <diddledan> the POC code looks really simple
[14:49] <penguin42> diddledan: I thought at one point they banned any manipulation of the clipboard from js, but it seems they now allow it but under some restricted (but not enough) conditions
[14:49] <SuperMatt> And this is why I'm fond of switching to running most things in Docker
[14:49] <SuperMatt> if it's not something I need for my day to day, it's going to exist in a container
[14:50]  * zmoylan-pi finds dos does the trick... :-)
[14:50] <penguin42> diddledan: It's ff 41 that enabled it in any 'event handler that is able to pop-up a window (semi-trusted scripts)' - i.e stupidly too easily; so he's just found that it's just too broad an openining
[14:52] <Switches> I need more coffee
[14:52] <SuperMatt> although I just tried copying the "not evil" example and it didn't paste anything bad
[14:52] <diddledan> MOAR!
[14:53] <SuperMatt> oh wait, there it is
[14:53] <SuperMatt> it just needed more timer
[14:53] <SuperMatt> -r
[14:54] <diddledan> SuperMatt: it only works when you copy with a key-combo. right-clicking and selecting "copy" from the menu doesn't work
[14:54] <SuperMatt> ah, I see
[14:55] <diddledan> that might be a limitation of the POC but I think it's down to how they manage to bypass the protection
[15:45] <diddledan> https://www.thrillist.com/tech/nation/google-patents-smart-contact-lens-to-take-photos-with-eyes
[15:45] <diddledan> I wanted to be a glasshole
[16:20] <zmoylan-pi> no judge, i didn't poke his eye out, i was just checking to see if he was complying with our no cameras policy...
[16:40] <zmoylan-pi> oh wow, i learned to program on a terminal just like this... http://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/DEC_VT100_terminal.jpg
[16:43] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Have your thumbs recovered from the hard shift keys yet?
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> i can do a fantastic vulcan nerve pinch penguin42 :-D
[16:44] <penguin42> haha
[16:44] <zmoylan-pi> here's the weird thing.  that keyboard was really high about 1.5" from the desktop.  and no one ever had rsi with them...
[16:44] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: At college we had a handful of vt100's and they were the better terminals they had, I found someone at a radio rally selling more for £15/each and told our admin and we filled the lab up with them
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> you could stuff in a flat screen, a few terabyte drives and a rasp pi 3 now for retro computiness...
[16:46] <zmoylan-pi> and after using them for 12 hour days in college the screens were very easy on the eyes...
[16:48] <penguin42> well, ours were a little blurred :-)
[16:48] <zmoylan-pi> well it 80x25 text so still readable... :-)
[16:49] <penguin42> yeh we had one or two that had enough ram to do wide mode :-)
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> i came from a zx spectrum with 12x40? so i was glad of the extra text
[16:50] <penguin42> oh I was already using an Archimedes with 132 column
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> when i first got a pc that could do 80x43 i stuck with 80x25 as it felt much more comfortable
[16:50] <bashrc> 132 columns? Luxury!
[16:51] <penguin42> bashrc: Yeh 132x32 on a standard monitor
[16:52] <penguin42> bashrc: and I've never really been happy with 80 column coding limits since :-(
[16:53] <bashrc> Now it's mainly about avoiding excessive nesting and having multiple terminal windows
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> well i used ms quick basic and it's compiler used more memory if the lines went over 128 characters so we made an effort to keep the lines short :-)
[16:54] <penguin42> haha
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> of course i had to read the entire manual to find that on page 872 sunsection 12 subparagraph b under 'how to format a floppy' instructions... :-)
[16:57] <zmoylan-pi> i rewrite a whole program that had run out of memory to sub 128 character lines in a week to prove it to my boss. worked like a charm... smug mode was firmly on that day... :-)
[16:58] <zmoylan-pi> until i was handed a list of 20 other programs that needed /adjusting/
[16:58] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: A place I worked over summer we had it getting down to using pretty much every single character variable name in Beeb Basic
[16:59] <zmoylan-pi> that was one method for shortening lines... so verbose programs became quite cryptic...
[20:10] <diddledan> love that. an email service providing status updates for downtime. by email.
[20:11] <daftykins> >:D
[20:11]  * diddledan ignores that they also do sms
[20:11] <zmoylan-pi> they wanted to send telegrams but diddledan refused to tip the telegram boy
[20:12] <daftykins> ooh you rudeler! he came all that way!
[20:12] <diddledan> I don't use telegram
[20:12] <penguin42> smoke signals?
[20:12] <daftykins> i think zmoylan-pi means the original meaning of telegram ;)
[20:13] <diddledan> "can you believe I sent a telegram to X but the boy who tried to deliver it reported that X isn't a member"
[20:13] <zmoylan-pi> babies in baskets left on your doorstep with a note explaining the status of the service pinned to the basket?
[20:13] <diddledan> s/isn't a member/have the app
[20:15] <diddledan> hmm, now I need to fix my regex: s/(have the app)/doesn't \1/
[20:15] <diddledan> :-p
[20:16] <daftykins> i think my UPS has been sipping the strong stuff - https://www.dropbox.com/s/yb8udz6rjq8soa1/ups.jpg?dl=0
[20:16] <diddledan> eep
[20:17] <diddledan> I still need to replace the flattery in mine
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> lightening strikes can be funny that way...
[20:19] <daftykins> diddledan: have you done anything with that mac battery yet too? :P
[20:19] <diddledan> not yet
[20:19] <diddledan> no money :-p
[20:19] <daftykins> holy tux, man!
[20:19] <diddledan> ALL HAIL THE TUX
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> you need a tux costume and then busk at train stations for commuters for money...
[20:32]  * Switches gives up on reading the drivel that some post in Ubuntu forums..
[20:33] <daftykins> what like?
[20:33] <zmoylan-pi> go read youtube comments for 5 minutes and it will make you see that ubuntu forums are not so bad... :-P
[20:34] <Switches> Well someone was posting in there about Ubuntu not liking AMD cards.. because ofcourse not having FGLRX is "really" bad.. also that zeitgeist is now an "Attack Vector" because it "tracks" files.. Like what the hell does noone bother to read up before posting some of this crap
[20:35] <Switches> Oh I know zmoylan-pi.. but the forums are getting to around the same point..
[20:37] <diddledan> how is tracking files bad?
[20:37] <Switches> I mean zeigeist is all about tracking, hell its what the thing is designed to do.. Why should it need a users permission to keep tabs on files so you can find them easier, its a "usability" boost. As for AMD FGLRX it was never "good" in the first place, tbf half the time it was a downright nightmare. I think i need more coffees
[20:38] <penguin42> Switches: Yeh but there were times when fglrx was the only way to get a card to work
[20:38] <Switches> I don't know, I read the post and he was saying about it not asking his permission to keep tabs on files..
[20:39] <diddledan> it doesn't share the info with anyone so how is it bad?
[20:39] <Switches> I aint got a clue, I can't understand how these people think, damn people say I'm nuts, people like that make me think I'm the only sane person around
[20:39] <diddledan> maybe he's worried that his mum will see his porn flash-up when he's showing her something...
[20:40] <zmoylan-pi> blame it on the cat walking across the keyboard...
[20:40] <Switches> lol
[20:40] <diddledan> this is why I don't let anyone use my ipad :-p
[20:41] <Switches> Well at least I always get a laugh in here :p
[20:42] <zmoylan-pi> the simple method is to use an alternate browser and do all your mucky stuff in that.  then when you hand the ipad to someone they use the normal browser and no one goes blind...
[20:42] <diddledan> the internet is full of Game of Thrones spoilers today
[20:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: I think I've disproven the blind theory by now
[20:43] <diddledan> :-p
[20:43] <zmoylan-pi> then you're not using the right mucky stuff...
[20:43] <diddledan> lol
[20:43] <diddledan> you mean like the one with the girl in the bathtub?
[20:44] <zmoylan-pi> my little pony furries n swarfega pages....
[20:44]  * diddledan watches the mental image get resurrected
[20:45] <diddledan> here, have some bleech: https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/735572429691596800
[20:47] <zmoylan-pi> this fox has seen too much... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/735543618044366848/photo/1
[20:47] <Switches> ...
[20:50] <Switches> Hmm http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Atomic-PWM-Linux-4.7 that's great.. although I don't know anyone with a "vibrator" rigged up to their linux box >.>
[20:51] <zmoylan-pi> connected to the microphone it generates white noise to irk the nsa when they hack in... :-P
[20:51] <penguin42> Switches: There are millions of phones with them
[20:52] <Switches> Or for that matter why anyone would want to connect it to a PWM..
[20:52] <Switches> Well thats true
[20:53] <penguin42> Switches: Your PWM lets you make it vibrate at a given frequency - exactly what you want your vibrator to do
[20:53] <penguin42> Switches: You don't want the software to have to wiggle it back and forward burning CPU; you just tell the hardware to start wiggling it at a certainf requency
[20:55] <Switches> ... penguin42 Do you even realise how awkward your making this sound. Look at the chat above and then read what I wrote..
[20:56] <penguin42> Switches: Well, don't get all excited about it; we're just talking about precise control of your vibrator
[20:56] <Switches> I'm sat here almost crying with laughter and I'm actually getting serious responses :p
[20:56] <Switches> maybe I should have tagged j/k on the end
[20:57] <penguin42> Switches: I mean you don't want the CPU to have to turn your vibrator on and off by hand for minutes on end do you?
[20:57] <Switches> It was just you had diddledan and zmoylan-pi talking about the porn stuff then I read that article and just burst out laughing.. guess it was timing
[20:58] <Switches> Well personally I don't have a vibrator, but each to their own I guess. :p
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> 2018 the year of linux on the very personal electronics...
[21:00] <Switches> pmsl
[21:01] <Switches> Well I guess it does bring "Linux is everywhere" into a whole new meaning...
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> and one bunch of hardware that no one uses second hand even if it is linux...
[21:02] <Switches> lol
[21:03] <Switches> Man I need to stop laughing, my jaws hurting now lol
[21:04] <penguin42> Switches: Well, pull your phone out of your pocket and have a look in /sys/devices  - on mine there is a qpnp-vibrator-ee16d800
[21:04] <Switches> Have a hard job doing that.. I got a Windows Phone xD
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> maybe he's like the head of google and uses iphone for privacy? :-P
[21:05] <daftykins> Switches: Tux fan and yet own a Win phone !?
[21:05]  * diddledan hides
[21:05] <diddledan> I got a winpho knocking about here someplace, too
[21:05] <zmoylan-pi> well as a linux user he is part masochist... :-P
[21:05] <Switches> Yep, run linux everywhere but my phone tbh, but then I got it for free
[21:05] <penguin42> Switches: oh well, then I'm sure it's probably just a matter of getting a vibrator handle and passing it to your ....
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> a *LOT* of people got winphone for free.  it's the only reason they have the numbers they do have
[21:06] <Switches> It's just some pos contract phone tbh, EE had an offer on it when I renewed the contract
[21:06] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: the problem is they didn't want it yet were forced to take it :-p
[21:06] <Switches> lol
[21:06] <daftykins> just opened a kitkat which was all smashed up inside :( sad times
[21:07] <diddledan> "you will have this phone! you'll have it hard!"
[21:07] <Switches> Would have rather had a Samsung really, but I wasn't willing to pay an every £15 a month for it
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> phone companies got badgered into taking winphone and then shifted them as freebies to contract customers who often passed them on as christmas/birthday pressies to family members...
[21:07] <diddledan> daftykins: aren't we on lollipop now?
[21:07] <Switches> ... rofl
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> the only thing ms didn't do was stuff them in baskets and leave them on peoples doorsteps before ringing doorbell and legging it
[21:08] <daftykins> diddledan: ;)
[21:08] <daftykins> Marshmallow actually
[21:08]  * daftykins pats Nexus
[21:08] <diddledan> and the next one is the nutjob
[21:08] <Switches> Isn't it Android N now? lol
[21:08] <daftykins> well it's not out eh
[21:08] <daftykins> i think my Nexus 5 is getting the chop now, won't get N
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> android n, codename nokia...
[21:08] <diddledan> :-(
[21:09] <diddledan> booo
[21:09] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: nutjob!
[21:09] <Switches> Ohh thought it was released at Google io.. was that just an announcement?
[21:09] <daftykins> it's ok, it was a mates that i fixed up for £26 for a new screen ;D
[21:09] <zmoylan-pi> or neurotic
[21:09] <daftykins> Switches: paper launch i reckon in true style
[21:09] <Switches> bah
[21:09] <daftykins> right now only beta sign-ups can play
[21:13] <Switches> Wonder how popey is doing with that MX5, haven't seen anything from him about it today lol
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> probably connecting every piece of hardware he has to it to see if it works...
[21:14] <daftykins> and recharging it every few ;)
[21:15] <Switches> Gotta admit I was impressed with it connecting to the TV with that wireless dongle
[21:16] <diddledan> popey's playing with his dongle?
[21:16] <diddledan> ohhmyy
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> touch his dongle and he'll scream
[21:18] <Switches> Really, you guys! lol
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> when it connects to tv does it run all apps or just a select few? can you use it as 'computer' with a bt keyboard?
[21:19] <Switches> As far as it looked like it yeah, the phone turn't the screen into a touchpad pretty much
[21:19] <daftykins> most things do Miracast these days
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> so a level of actual convergence
[21:20] <Switches> Was pretty neat to watch.
[21:20] <Switches> Yeah, basically
[21:20] <popey> Switches: :)
[21:20] <popey> might do another video tomorrow
[21:20] <Switches> Ohh cool
[21:21] <popey> i got a nice little stand to hold my phone
[21:21] <popey> so i dont have to hold it in my hands
[21:21] <Switches> Can't wait to see more of it, I'm getting really interested in seeing how it all works out. Especially with I think it was ota 11 next week?
[21:21] <popey> maybe sooner, dunno
[21:21] <popey> not read lukasz' mails recently
[21:21] <Switches> Oh cool
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> if there's one piece of simple technology needed is a simple standard dock to connect keyboards to screens and or covers.
[21:22] <Switches> Yeah a little bluetooth dock would be a great addition to something like that phone
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> the difficult is that the keyboard would have to support and balance the screen attached as if using it as laptop
[21:24] <Switches> Tbh I wouldn't mind seeing the Roccat keyboard with something like the Ubuntu phone that would be pretty epic
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> but standard so that you could chose from a wide range of standard keyboards and know they'd all hold the screen well and safely
[21:25] <Switches> something like http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/Sova/ would be amazing lol
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> something like the palm stowaway keyboard... http://danbricklin.com/log/stowaway.htm
[21:26] <Switches> Imagine that on the sofa with the phone plugged into it streaming to the telly :D
[21:27] <KrimZon> what program is normally used to select a gtk3 theme in ubuntu 14.04?
[21:27] <daftykins> much rather a dedicated device on the TV :P
[21:28] <Switches> daftykins: Well I don't know the steam streaming seems to work pretty well, although that does raise a question.. The MX5 with Steam installed as a streaming device! xD
[21:29] <Switches> hmm KrimZon you could try gnome-tweak-tool even when not using the shell it should be able to change the gtk3 theme
[21:29] <daftykins> that's never going to be viable via Miracast yeah, plus a lot of DRM based services would probably deny use over that (i don't know how it is these days but the BBC iPlayer app used to block use on a TV)
[21:29] <Switches> Yeah I know it was more a "this would be great" kind of thought
[21:30] <KrimZon> Switches, thanks, i'll try that
[21:30] <Switches> Like having a mini Ubuntu powered Shield
[21:30] <daftykins> anything wireless has me cringe :)
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> i would prefer wired but that's just me paranoid... :-)
[21:30] <Switches> No probs KrimZon hope it works, if not try unity-tweak-tool
[21:31] <daftykins> meh, wired for reliability++
[21:31] <Switches> rofl
[21:31] <daftykins> the number of folks that come into #kodi because their darling little raspberry Pi toys are choking trying to stream over poor wifi
[21:32] <Switches> Come on wireless aint that bad nowadays aslong as you set it up right and have a good N/AC router
[21:32]  * zmoylan-pi pats my pi and tells it to ignore the silly man...
[21:32] <daftykins> yeah, all those caveats :P
[21:32] <Switches> lol true
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> no, but the pi's network is a bit crap
[21:32] <Switches> Is it?
[21:32] <daftykins> oh and have it in range, on 5GHz so there are no neighbour issues... and... and...
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> it's usb is a bit crap and the network is attached to that iirc
[21:33] <daftykins> yeah LAN on the USB
[21:33] <Switches> Don't know anything about the little SoC things tbh, was looking at them today to see it it may be worth getting one to toy with
[21:33] <Switches> if it*
[21:34] <diddledan> the wifi is on SD bus
[21:34] <daftykins> i think folks that use gen 2 or 3 models with Kodi to play 1080p content from a local network share over wired do ok
[21:34] <Switches> http://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=130 thats what i was looking at
[21:34] <diddledan> yeah, 1080 is prob about 20Mbit/s?
[21:35] <KrimZon> Switches, i'll try the other one, cause gnome-tweak-tool does nothing
[21:35] <KrimZon> it's like there's no gtk theme selected and it's just using some default
[21:35] <daftykins> maybe 35Mb tops for a really high bitrate bluray with DTS
[21:39] <Switches> KrimZon: If it doesn't work have a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/660855/how-can-you-change-unitys-theme-from-the-command-line thats how you do it from the terminal (you'll need to know the name of the theme you want to use)
[21:45] <KrimZon> maybe the settings daemon isn't running - i'm using MATE
[21:46] <Switches> Hmm not sure on MATE tbh, I don't use it at all
[21:46] <daftykins> you probably should have started with saying MATE
[21:50] <KrimZon> i thought it was just a matter of getting a theme picker to run
[21:50] <KrimZon> i'm not sure what all the dependencies are
[21:50] <KrimZon> I'll figure it out some other time
[21:51] <Switches> KrimZon: In theory it should be that way, in practice it rarely is unfortunatly
[22:26] <Switches> Hmm that looks interesting https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wooting/the-analog-mechanical-keyboard-for-precise-movemen
[22:32] <penguin42> I wonder how many keys they can sense at the same time
[22:34] <m0nkey_> I need one
[23:14] <diddledan> love this from linkedin: "On May 17, 2016, we became aware that data stolen from LinkedIn in 2012 was being made available online. This was not a new security breach or hack. We took immediate steps to invalidate the passwords of all LinkedIn accounts that we believed might be at risk. These were accounts created prior to the 2012 breach that had not reset
[23:14] <diddledan> their passwords since that breach."
[23:16] <diddledan> I read that as "if the hackers have compromised your account already and changed your password thereby locking you out, then *middle finger* because we class the password change as being since the breach and therefore your account is 'secure'"
[23:16] <Switches> probably mine then, haven't used linkedin for a good few years :p
[23:17]  * zmoylan-pi changes Switches profile to windows me specialist...
[23:17] <diddledan> "LinkedIn has taken significant steps to strengthen account security since 2012. For example, we now use salted hashes to store passwords"
[23:18] <diddledan> love that they weren't using any salt prior
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think that they'd know how to find a good security expert...
[23:18] <diddledan> aye
[23:18] <penguin42> yeh I just ogt that as well
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> or even an ex ms security expert... :-)
[23:20] <diddledan> do they count "completely random" as a similarity between passwords?
[23:20] <diddledan> because I use completely random passwords most places which mean that they're all similar in being random
[23:46] <diddledan> well that's a nugget of hope: "We don’t yet know what the jury makes of it all. For what it’s worth, they’re a fairly conscientious group of people who arrived on time (or earlier) every day at 7:45 AM, filling out notepad after notepad with their notes on Java, Android, OpenJDK, the GPL. On Tuesday, Judge Alsup called them “one of the best juries in
[23:46] <diddledan> the history of this courthouse.” "
[23:46] <diddledan> ref: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-the-very-silly-oracle-v-google-trial-actually-matters
[23:48] <daftykins> o0
[23:48] <diddledan> don't you love how links on twitter to the "Windows Experience blog" take the form: "Microsoft.com/blogs/windowsex"
[23:48] <diddledan> or similar
[23:49] <diddledan> specifically the mention of windowsex
[23:49] <Switches> lol