[13:38] <Beagon> elky: That offends me and makes me feel oppressed.
[13:39] <Beagon> You aren't making me feel safe in this chatroom by far.
[13:40] <Beagon> Also, everyone knows how to google. I know how to accurately use Bing.
[15:21] <belkinsa> Er, wrong channel or am I missing something?
[17:55] <elky> belkinsa: beagon here is part of a group called scriptkitties. just over a fortnight ago, one of their members was caught ban evading in #ubuntu-women after being asked if someone who addressed them out of the blue was harassing them. They got hostile and suddenly other members of the group, including beagon, appeared. Since then, they'e been plotting to guilt #ubuntu-women (via lies) into
[17:55] <elky> letting them sit there, hoping that their presence will intimidate us into silence and destroy #ubuntu-women.
[17:56] <elky> If you're wondering what kind of people are in scriptkitties, https://www.diigo.com/item/image/5ntgv/m83y?size=o is from their quotedb. It will be triggering for rape and child sexual assault survivors.
[17:57] <elky> also one of their members is a known pedophile who has previously tried to convince people in ##depression to go through with their suicidal ideation.
[17:58] <elky> so to be quite honest, i don't care if they're offended or feel oppressed by not being allowed in #ubuntu-women. They don't belong there.
[18:03] <Beagon> Well, as far as I know he has been banned a long time ago. I'm not here to start a flame war, I just wanted to get to know programming from a female perspective.
[18:04] <Beagon> @elky ^
[18:04] <meetingology> Beagon: Error: "elky" is not a valid command.
[18:06] <elky> You said you know how to bing, you can already find that out.
[18:08] <Beagon> So you're basically telling me that I'm not allowed to ask and learn about female programmers directy because of my privilege?
[18:09] <elky> it's not about privilege, it's about you thinking rape is funny.
[18:10] <Beagon> I don't, I think joking about rape is funny (as long as the "victim" is okay with that). But actual rape is fairly against my morals (which it should be for anyone)
[18:10] <Beagon> I don't see why my humor must reflect my actual beliefs or morals.;
[18:12] <elky> I don't see why you won't respect that we don't want you around.
[18:18] <Beagon> elky: As far as I know, I haven't broken any rules. Not according to the Ubuntu CoC and not according to your #ubuntu-women/#ubuntu-women-project guidelines. What I did notice that you just single handedly limited my participation in the project, according to the F.A.Q. on your own wiki it states: "If Ubuntu Women is limiting your participation in the wider Ubuntu community, then the purpose of the project is diminished. We hope to help
[18:18] <Beagon> you try new things in the community, expand your activities and do things you may not have done before, which is our mission!"
[18:19] <elky> You're not in the wider community. You are only here and furthermore you are only here to continue the harassment from scriptkitties.
[18:20] <Beagon> I'm not seeing any harassing from me. If I am harassing anyone, please notify me so I can adjust my behaviour.
[18:20] <elky> You joined in a troll raid, you are a member of the group that initiated the troll raid.
[18:21] <Beagon> I don't think I have ever participated in a "troll raid"
[18:21] <elky> You did though, when you joined with brushdemon.
[18:22] <Beagon> Please quote me on doing so
[18:22] <elky> Brushdemon's plan was to intimidate the channel to the point it dispersed.
[18:22] <Beagon> So because I joined at the same time I'm automaticaly the same?
[18:24] <elky> Are you honestly expecting us to believe that you saw the discussion in the scriptkitties channel and though "wow i wonder what those women think about programming, i'm not at all interested in the harassment that tyil and friends are currently plotting"
[18:25] <Beagon> If I may ask, which discussion? I just heard someone mention #ubuntu-women and I thought: "Oh does that exist?". So I joined. Furthermore, I still don't see any quote that I did anything wrong of any sort.
[18:27] <elky> Do you honestly think we're stupid enough to let you in?
[18:28] <Beagon> I'm not saying anything of that sort, I'm just asking why you are limiting my ability to participate in the channel without any real reason to do so. Did you find your quote?
[18:29] <elky> You have been told to go away.
[18:29] <elky> So why do you not respect that boundary.
[18:30] <elky> You're not entitled to be in the channel.
[18:31] <Beagon> What? So why am I not entitled?
[18:31] <Beagon> But I'm feeling oppressed and disrespected that I'm being thrown out of somewhere without even doing anything.
[18:31] <Beagon> I was there with my best intentions, even if you don't believe me that's the truth.
[18:34] <elky> I don't believe you, no. And that's why you're not in there. Now stop pestering to be allowed in, because it's not going to happen.
[18:36] <Beagon> I have never asked to be allowed back in, I just wanted an reasonable explanation from you, which I still haven't gotten.
[18:36] <Beagon> an should be a
[18:37] <elky> I've given you a perfectly good explanation as to why we don't want you in the channel. You don't get to dismiss it just because you don't like it.
[18:41] <Beagon> A good reason is supported by valid objective arguments, not your subjective feelings. If you don't believe me, you can look it up in the Oxford dictionary.
[18:43] <elky> You're a member of a troll group that has been harassing us. I really don't need anything more than that.
[18:46] <Beagon> So I'm guilty by association?
[18:46] <elky> When you join with other members who are hellbent on intimidation, yeah you are.
[18:47] <Beagon> Again, just because I joined at the same time makes me the same as them?
[18:49] <elky> That's called participation.
[18:51] <Beagon> Wait what? So if I joined a football/soccer club at the same time as someone who murders everyone in in team, I'm participating?
[18:55] <elky> it's more like... we had words with your friend tyil and kicked him out of our yard and suddenly you showed up in our yard and have been watching us since and demanding that you should get to stay even though we're telling you that you're making us concerned about retribution.
[18:57] <elky> All the while, rumor has it that you're doing it to intimidate us into never leaving the house.
[19:02] <Beagon> Well I'm not for "retribution" nor do I see where that rumor is comming from, do you have any quote that I said that? I can't seem to remember every saying that.
[19:11] <elky> Well you have a bad memory then don't you.