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Kiloscremora minora05:24
mazalMôre oom05:28
Kiloskoud ne05:29
mazalBibberend05:33
Kiloshi inetpro nlsthzn paddatrapper theblazehen skokkk et al05:56
theblazehenhi Kilos06:23
Kilosdeegee where are you now, and hows things going06:43
chesedomorning Kilos mazal theblazehen and others07:09
theblazehenhi chesedo07:09
mazalMornings07:14
theblazehenhey mazal. How's things?07:17
mazalok thanx and you theblazehen ?07:18
theblazehenI'm fine thanks mazal07:19
nlsthznsup all...07:21
inetprogoeiemore07:38
Kiloshi chesedo 07:40
Kilosgoeie more inetpro 07:40
Kilosdinge amper in plek sodat jy wiki can edit07:41
inetprois it midweek already?07:41
Kilosya wednesday07:41
Kilosi go sort sheep07:42
Kiloswbb07:42
KilosMaaz watch them07:42
MaazOK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you07:42
mazalMan I am having a "flat" week.08:04
mazalFeels like the batteries just aint there08:05
theblazehenmazal: That sucks..08:20
theblazehenhey nlsthzn, inetpro08:20
Kilosold age08:22
* mazal glares at Kilos08:27
mazalIs from not gaming enough I am sure08:27
Kiloslol08:27
mazalAnd oom keeping me up late with meeting :P08:41
Kiloshahaha08:49
Kilosat least you have someone to blame08:49
Kilosi blame inetpro for everything08:49
theblazehenhey tahaan09:07
Kiloshi tahaan ambo_ Sxuza aquarat 09:17
Kilosoops09:17
tahaanHello all09:26
mazalhi09:27
tahaanI'm going back to 14.0409:27
mazalI'd rather not say what I'm concidering , oom Kilos will kill me09:27
mazalOh too late , he left09:27
Kilos14.04 is rock stable09:57
Kilosmazal not back to win09:59
Kilosi will kill you09:59
Kilosinetpro ping10:00
mazalEk's honger10:01
Kiloslol10:01
mazalmaaz what's for lunch10:01
Maazmazal: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you10:01
mazalooooo , nice idea , with russians10:01
Kilosnee man10:01
mazalWhy not ?10:01
Kilosweet jy nie wat chippies is nie10:01
mazalSlap chips10:01
Kiloschippies is picled onions10:02
mazalOh hell noooooooooooooooo10:02
Kilosdie beste van al die make10:02
mazalmaaz bad idea10:02
Maazmazal: Sorry...10:02
Kilosbaie lekker met bacon kips10:02
Kilosof enige sout coekies10:03
Kilosmaar vis en chips is goed vir lunch10:03
Kiloschesedo ?10:03
chesedoKilos ?10:07
Kiloshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/2016062810:07
chesedo'immutable page'10:08
Kilostick on it10:08
chesedoTick?10:09
Kilosor check more actions10:09
Kilosi forget how to get there10:09
Kilosinetpro ^^10:09
* chesedo does nor have a touch screen :P10:10
chesedoKilos: edit mode?10:10
Kiloshmm...10:10
Kilosyou not on pc chesedo ?10:13
mazalFeedback for what it's worth , if I go in there I have an edit option. ( if that is what you guys tried to fix )10:15
Kilosi forget what you gotta do to change from immutable to edit10:15
Kilosyes mazal 10:15
mazalI just logged in with my openid10:16
Kiloswat maak chesedo 10:16
mazalIf not logged in then it's immutable for me10:16
Kilosoh yes you gotta login10:16
* chesedo will be at pc soon, but am sure he was/is logged in10:17
Kilosok10:18
chesedoyip am logged in -> http://pasteboard.co/1brw7z8L.png10:20
Kilosinetpro fixit10:28
Kilosi think i ticked on immutable page or other options to get it going back then when i was young10:29
LangjanGoeiemore Kilos did you have a good meeting?10:34
LangjanHi guys10:34
Kilosyes ty Langjan 10:34
LangjanGood 10:34
LangjanDid you write to the Aussie?10:34
Kilosnot yet10:34
Kilosgo pm10:35
Langjanai10:35
Langjango pm?10:35
Kiloslol 10:35
Kilosprivate message ooom10:35
Kiloswat het jy gebreek Langjan 10:42
LangjanI tried to install her husband's HP printer, thinking the network should pick it up but it doesn't10:42
Kilosclever guys can help with that10:43
LangjanThats why I asked you10:43
Kilosive seen then sort it10:43
Kilosnee man10:43
Kiloskyk my epos adres10:43
Langjan'n liegadres10:43
Kiloshaha10:44
Langjanseker vir sekuriteit, slim!10:44
Kilosmazal what experience with printers and ubuntu10:44
Kilosubuntu and hp are friendly to each other i think10:44
Langjanis he online?10:45
LangjanMine is fine10:45
Kiloswho?10:45
Langjanhp/ubuntu10:45
Langjanmazal, 10:45
Kiloswhere is the printer10:45
Kiloshe is afk atm10:45
Kiloshaha10:45
Kilosmaybe working for a change10:46
Langjanits by her hubbies desktop, linked via desktop switch10:46
Langjanafk atm?10:46
Kilosaway from key board at the moment10:46
Kilosso now10:46
Langjanis that what faint name shows?10:47
Kiloswho cant see the printer10:47
Kilosyes10:47
Langjansusan's machine10:47
Kilostheblazehen help10:47
KilosLangjan just dont listen if he says install fedora10:48
Kilosbut he should be able to help 10:49
Kiloshe is a clever kid10:49
LangjanMy adsl router is cable-connected to desktop switch in their home from where they are both connected10:49
Kilosso her ub untu cant see it on the switch right there by them10:50
Langjanand the printer is connected to his win xp system10:51
Kilosai!10:51
Langjanwell I tried to find it but no success10:51
Kiloswin needs to share it i think10:52
Langjantried via hp-install and hplip10:52
LangjanI checked the settings, it seems ok to share printers10:52
Kilosim right saying you need to go through xp to see the printer ?10:52
Langjanyes10:53
Kilossjoe10:53
Kiloshang around for someone with that kinda experience10:53
Langjanok thks10:54
Kilosyou can install remmina i think its called10:54
Kilosthen10:54
Kiloshaha10:54
Kilosshe can take over his pc completely10:54
Langjandont tell Juanita please10:55
Kiloslol10:55
LangjanI saw a neat hdd docking station this morning, the guy bought it for R37010:57
Kiloswhat is that10:59
Kiloslike with severs with place for many drives?11:00
LangjanConnects to usb, then you can insert two sata hdd's11:01
Kilosah11:01
LangjanFedora was my very first intro to Linux11:05
Kilosthen you woke up11:05
Langjanno went to kde before that11:06
Kilossjoe11:06
Langjanlmga11:06
Kilosyou should  be teaching me11:06
Langjanhaha11:06
Kilosi tried centos11:07
Kilossjoe11:07
Kilosno thanks11:07
Langjannever heard of it11:07
Kilosbased in redhat i think11:07
Kilosmany use it for servers11:08
LangjanDoesnt look too bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentOS11:08
Langjanbetter than windoze11:08
Kilosof course11:08
Kilosbut many are saying win 10 is great11:08
Kilosi wont even try11:08
Langjanhorses for courses11:09
Kilosja11:09
Kilosi gotta go eat11:09
Langjanwhats the closest linux distro to emulate win xp desktop ?11:09
LangjanOK chat later, eet lekker11:09
Kilosdankie11:10
mazalLangjan, when it comes to looks they say you can't get better than http://zorinos.com/11:22
mazalBased on Ubuntu but with modified de's that makes it look more like when , basically to make it easier for newcomers to linux11:22
mazalI never used it myself , but a friend mine says you can change the de look to be like XP or 7\11:23
LangjanOk many thakns mazal 11:23
Kilosmazal 11:34
Kilostell him how to share that printer man11:34
Kiloswb aquarat 11:35
LangjanLekker ge-eet Kilos? now its my turn 11:35
Kiloshi anton_may 11:35
Kilosenjoy11:36
anton_mayello11:36
Langjanhi anton_may 11:36
anton_mayHi Langjan11:37
magespawngood afternoon12:38
anton_may0/12:41
Langjanhi magespawn and anton_may 13:03
Langjanyou there Kilos ?13:04
magespawnKilos ping13:12
magespawnneed to wake him up sometimes13:12
Langjanget him away from the sheep13:14
LangjanGuys, who is the networking geek?13:15
magespawni can try help13:17
LangjanThanks, I have connected a friend to my adsl via cable, on the other end connected 2 systems from a desktop switch, now trying to install their printer   13:19
LangjanThe printer is working on a win xp machine, the other is ubuntu 14.0413:19
LangjanI cannot see the printer from ubuntu, not via hp lip nor terminal hp-install13:20
magespawnis the printer shared on the xp machine?13:24
Langjanyes13:27
magespawnsame network with the same ip address range?13:29
superflyLangjan: is this a network printer, or a printer attached to a computer?13:29
LangjanThats where Im lost, how to get ip address. superfly it is only connected to the one computer 13:30
superflyLangjan: a network printer connects directly to the network13:31
superflyif it's connected to a computer, it's not a network printer13:31
magespawni assume that the printer works on the xp machine?13:31
Langjanthats what I was trying to confirm13:31
Langjanyes it does13:31
superflyLangjan: you have a network cable plugged into the printer?13:32
Langjanno, lmga13:32
superflythen it's not a network printer and hplip won't find it13:32
Langjannetwork cable from the switch? 13:33
superflyyes13:33
Langjanso I need to connect a third network cable to the printer from the switch 13:33
superflyLangjan: does the printer have a network port?13:34
LangjanWill have to check but I assume yes13:34
Langjanits a hp all-in-one 205013:35
Langjanlet me folow up on that and I will get back if I dont come right13:35
Langjanthanks guys13:35
magespawnnp13:38
magespawni don't think it is a network printer13:38
Langjanmagespawn, you're quite right, theres no socket for a network cable14:02
LangjanIs there any other way around? 14:02
magespawnif it has been shared from the windows machine then you should be able to connect to that share from the ubuntu machine14:11
superflyLangjan: you need to open your system settings, go to printers14:17
superflyLangjan: add a printer, and then select "Windows Printer via SAMBA"14:17
LangjanMany thanks superfly I will have to proceed tomorrow. Will let you know how things go. 14:26
Kilossjoe14:45
Kilosmajor ballie nap14:46
Kilossorry guys14:46
magespawnchat later home time15:35
Kilosgo safw15:35
Kilosai!15:35
chesedoKilos: i am able to edit the agendas now... just logged out and back in again16:01
kulelu88hey mates16:06
Kilosyay chesedo 16:28
Kilosthat means inetpro cant get out of doing some work16:29
Kiloshi kulelu88 16:29
kulelu88Kilos: why don't you apply for a remote job at canonical16:30
kulelu88chesedo: hows exams mate?16:30
Kiloskulelu88 dont add more16:32
Kilosand they are all clever peeps16:32
kulelu88you can do marketing/community work Kilos . you'll get paid 16:34
Kilosgetting paid is bad news16:34
Kilosthen you cant mess up16:34
Kilosnow only i fight with me16:35
chesedohi kulelu88, great (am now 'off' till the 8th) ty... hows your todo going?16:36
kulelu88haven't worked on it for a while chesedo 16:41
kulelu88when do you finish?16:42
chesedokulelu88: 15th for this semester16:42
kulelu88you work also? chesedo 16:42
chesedokulelu88: hmm... try to create time between studies for freelance work16:44
kulelu88probably better to load up your github profile chesedo ;)16:44
chesedokulelu88: yeah that too16:46
* chesedo just started to spent his nights on the office suite that he wants to create16:46
kulelu88chesedo: what's your language of choice?16:47
kulelu88I would avoid a project as big as office software16:47
chesedokulelu88: i am used to web devel (php, js, etc), but am trying to target ubuntu phones now (qt, c++, js, qml)16:49
chesedokulelu88: might be a bit big, but it will focus on 'professionalism through simplicity'... only targeting text documents for now16:50
kulelu88no wonder the todo app is easy peezy for you chesedo :D16:51
kulelu88you trying to get a canonical job also? :D16:51
chesedokulelu88: yeah, that was bit weird for me too... nope, just want a user app devel future and this is the start16:54
kulelu88chesedo: the main problem with the code now is that I need to find a replacement for the inlineedit.js, cause it's outdated16:58
kulelu88and I've adjusted the todo format, so I will refactor the "x" append 16:59
chesedokulelu88: i've used xEditable for a past project (though it might be too big for this)16:59
kulelu88this 1 here: https://vitalets.github.io/x-editable ?17:00
Kilosi go eat17:01
Kilosinetpro read your mail17:01
chesedokulelu88: yip17:02
kulelu88I'll see if there are smaller options17:03
kulelu88but if I need that, well that's what I'll use17:03
skokkkKilos, this meeting..17:11
skokkkI only got the email 2PM THIS AFTERNOON17:12
skokkkfor yesterday's meeting :/17:12
magespawngood evening17:30
Kiloslol skokkk 17:30
Kiloswhere did that mail get lost for a day17:31
Kilosso magespawn hows the new job so far?17:33
Kiloschesedo what was your original nick17:34
Kilosim sure i have you email addy saved under that nick17:34
chesedoKilos: pieter262717:35
Kilosoh ya17:35
Kilosno more nick changing17:38
magespawnKilos: going well so far, getting a handle on it17:40
Kilosgood17:40
magespawngot lost coming home last night, and the phone was flat, so had to wait while it charged17:41
Kiloseish for the gps to work17:41
magespawni use my phone, but i have that sorted now17:41
Kilosi got lost many times in jozi17:41
Kilosterrible place17:42
magespawnit has been while since i drove it, but it is all coming back bitby bit17:42
Kilossjoe17:42
magespawnnothing much changes really, taxis still drive like made, bmw dont have indicators17:43
Kilosand mercs own the right of way as well17:43
magespawns/made/mad17:43
magespawnyup pretty much, altough most of them seem relaxed17:43
Kiloshaha17:44
Kilosthey have been taught by the taxis that they arent the most important peeps on the road17:44
magespawnthey used to stay clear of my beetle, maybe i should get one of those again17:47
Kiloshaha17:47
inetprogoos evening17:57
inetproKilos: why?17:57
Kilosgoos evening to you too17:57
Kiloswhy what17:57
kulelu88magespawn: whats your new job? 17:57
Kilosoh inetpro the new mattermost can work on irc i think it says17:58
inetprothen why are you not testing it?17:59
Kilosim waiting for you17:59
Kiloshaha17:59
Kilosi went to mattermost in browser but i used it of the standard pc drive so dunno name and password i used here on the ssd18:00
inetproclick on forgot password18:01
Kilosi dont even know what mail i used man18:01
inetpronot like you have 10 addresses18:02
inetprohttps://mattermost.popey.com/reset_password18:02
Kilosand there is something about a desktop app so i fetched the .deb but cant start it18:02
magespawnkulelu88: support at a fibre isp in jhb18:04
Kilosi have 5 i think, or maybe more, only 4 active18:04
Kilosoh my18:06
Kilosi found i still have mattermost in another browser18:07
Kilosbut it also wants password18:09
Kilosai!18:09
Kilosoh inetpro you can edit wiki pages now hey, you should have read that a couple of times today18:09
kulelu88ooh support gig. that sounds painful magespawn 18:10
magespawnkulelu88: not too bad so far, got one of the flagged customers today and that went18:13
magespawnmost just learning my way around the systems18:13
kulelu88is it fibre ISP as in, you guys provide support for FTTH, or is it a company like Afrihost?18:14
magespawnISP,so like afrihost,but only fibre and voip18:19
kulelu88ooh lekker, must be a startup type company18:22
magespawnabout 5 years old, but yes very much like that, part of what attracted me18:24
magespawnthat and they offered me a job first18:24
kulelu88Do they need someone to manage their servers remotely? :D18:25
Kiloslol18:25
Kilosohi superfly 18:27
magespawndo not know, but i will keep my ear to the ground ;)18:27
Kilossuch a quiet sneak in18:27
magespawnhow do you even know Kilos?18:28
Kilosknow what18:28
magespawnwhen superfly is here18:28
Kilosoh i see the afk go away18:28
magespawnohh he is using /away and /back18:28
magespawnright18:28
Kilosi see the nick ungray18:29
magespawnindeed, irssi does not have that, so i forget about that18:29
kulelu88Kilos sees the enter and leave messages18:29
Kiloswhen we have many peeps here he is off the bottom of the screen and i miss seeing it then he mocks me18:29
Kilosno messages18:29
magespawnsuperfly is very rarely not here18:30
Kilosmaybe i must try set that up18:30
kulelu88you don't need to. just adjust your settings to show enter/leave messages18:30
Kilosdoes that cover the afk things18:30
Kilosi see part/joins18:31
Kilosbut away things not18:31
Kiloswhatever happened to that guy that had me thinking he was a chick when i first joined here18:33
Kilosive chased many away18:33
kulelu88did you guys cyber date for a while? Kilos :D18:34
Kilosno man18:34
Kiloswhen i joined here i said guys all the time18:35
Kilosthen i said well i hope the ladies dont mind me calling them guys18:35
Kilosand he pmed me and said no its ok18:36
Kilosonly later when i learned a bit more did i see he was a guy18:36
Kiloshehe18:36
Kilosi was really doff back then18:37
Kilosim sure half of you would have left18:39
magespawnnah was not that bad18:41
inetprohaha, it was magespawn18:42
inetpro?18:42
Kiloswe need to organise a flamewar again, then everyone flocks here18:42
Kilosyes it was bad18:43
Kilosthats why inetpro and superfly are so quiet nowadays18:43
inetproKilos: no18:43
Kilosno what?18:44
magespawnit was me? really?18:45
Kilosno man magespawn he means it was that bad18:46
Kilosmagespawn do you need to study for the new job18:47
Kilosany courses and stuff?18:47
magespawnno courses,those i do myself, just hit the ground running and learn by doing18:48
kulelu88inetpro: seems very moody these days. Het julle rol?18:48
magespawnplenty ofhelp around though18:48
Kilossjoe18:48
kulelu88I bet it was vim vs. emacs argument18:49
Kiloshe is getting old man18:49
inetprohmm...18:49
Kilosi think he is the closest to me here18:49
kulelu88hoe oud? inetpro 18:50
Kilosin the naughty years18:50
Kilosheading for the thrifty years18:51
theblazehenvim is best18:51
Kilosne goosie18:51
Kilosah theblazehen woke up18:51
theblazehenHi Kilos18:51
theblazehenWork's been busy..18:51
Kilosdid you have a busy day lad18:52
theblazehenJust saw that message, had to chime in :)18:52
Kilosbusy is goofd18:52
theblazehenStill busy Oom18:52
Kilosgood18:52
Kilosall you can do is your best lad18:52
theblazehenYeah18:52
kulelu88you can tells Kilos is a durbanaartjie using 'lad' :D18:53
Kiloshaha18:54
Kilosi know laatie as well18:54
magespawnpython vs any other programming language18:54
magespawntheblazehen: sublime?18:54
magespawnnot exactly the same thing18:55
Kilosi wish this debconf would be over now18:55
Kilosibids crying for attention18:55
kulelu88debconf is huge. oh wait, isn't it happening now? 18:56
Kilossoon18:56
Kilosnext mongth but all the preparation is taking years18:56
theblazehenmagespawn: Sublime isn't too bad, but doesn't work over ssh (Okay, *technically*....)18:57
theblazehenAnd python18:57
Kilosinetpro the password rest doesnt send a mail18:59
Kilosi tried three times19:00
kulelu88theblazehen: what do you write in Python?19:00
theblazehenkulelu88: Mostly just scripts for doing stuff. Not any proper applications19:02
Kiloshmm...19:03
theblazehenhttps://gist.github.com/441108ba950bad91e73bd152696e8777 partially broken hangman solving script19:03
kulelu88scripting-wise, it's awesome19:03
theblazehen/usr/share/dict/words is the word list19:03
theblazehenWanna fix it? ;)19:03
kulelu88i'll take a look in a few minutes19:04
magespawntheblazehen: the script solves hangman?19:06
theblazehenmagespawn: Tries to19:06
magespawnahh right19:06
theblazehenYou can just copy paste in the letters part from hangman (6) too :)19:06
Kilosmattermost.popey.com/666719:07
Kilosai19:07
Kilosmagespawn how did you point you irc client to mattermost19:08
Kilosi dont understand the pointing thing19:08
kulelu88add them to the network19:08
kulelu88is it a mattermost server?19:09
magespawni followed the instructions in the mail i got forwarded from popey via Kilos 19:11
magespawnin irssi i do /connect mattermost.popey.com19:12
* theblazehen (and andrewlsd I think?) think we should have chosen mattermost over rocket.chat at work.. :(19:12
kulelu88oh mattermost the slack clone19:13
Kilosyes magespawn but what is meant by pointing the irc client to it19:13
theblazehenThe mobile client for rocket.chat isn't that great :(19:13
magespawnthe login for me was the email address19:14
kulelu88it means you must join their server19:14
kulelu88sounds like they're running a mattermost network19:15
kulelu88open a new server tab and type what magespawn said19:15
magespawnyes then you can see all the room etc in irssi rather than the browser19:15
Kilos[21:16] [481] Kilos Permission Denied - You're not an IRC operator19:16
Kilossigh19:16
magespawnthanks kulelu88 i forget that other  people have different clients19:16
magespawnwhat did you type Kilos ?19:17
Kilosthat /connect one19:17
Kiloslemme try with new server19:18
theblazehenKilos: Looks like your irc client sends the server CONNECT command19:18
theblazehenTry /server perhaps?19:18
magespawnthats it theblazehen, forgot that too19:18
magespawnthat is how we got Kilos on atrium the other night19:19
Kilosai!19:21
Kilostoo much 19:21
inetproit works with quassel 19:24
inetproI added a new network with host 'mattermost.popey.com' and port '6667'19:24
inetproand then after connecting I simply executed '/msg mattermost login my@email.address MyMattermostPassword'19:24
Kilosok lemme try again19:24
theblazehen2hi.19:25
theblazehentheblazehen2: ack19:26
theblazehen2How19:27
theblazehenhmm19:27
Kilossjoe19:27
theblazehenWas IRCing with telnet19:27
kulelu88theblazehen: where does the script break?19:30
theblazehenkulelu88: Doesn't break, but near the end it gets non-optimal guesses19:30
kulelu88example? theblazehen 19:31
theblazehenlike -ampl-, it would think that there is a 0 possibility of e (not sure if it thinks it's already tried that) or similar19:31
kulelu88so it will try a word like ampl? 19:32
theblazehenhangman will ask for example, script will solve to -ampl-, but not guess the e19:33
inetpro"you can also use an ssl connection on port 6697"19:33
kulelu88are there any libs or bindings and is it python2? theblazehen 19:34
magespawntheblazehen: telnet?19:34
Kilostoo many channels now19:35
theblazeheninetpro: No thanks..19:35
theblazehenkulelu88: Python 2 yes, and no. Just that script and cop-paste to the hangman game from bsd-games19:35
kulelu88okay so it's using a legit game 19:36
kulelu88I was going to attempt replicating the environment, but that could take hours19:39
magespawni am off to bed, good night all19:40
Kilossleep tight magespawn 19:41
Kilosi must crash as well19:41
Kilos2 late nights the pro has inflicted on me19:41
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:42
kulelu88anybody still awake here?21:46

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