[04:07] <Fudge> it's always in the last place you look
[08:00] <willcooke> o/
[08:04] <Laney> yello
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Morning
[08:05] <flexiondotorg> Trevinho, Thanks for the tip on G+, I'll have an experiment :-)
[08:12] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney flexiondotorg
[08:12] <flexiondotorg> o/
[08:12] <willcooke> morning all
[08:12] <seb128> bah, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive is still 503
[08:16] <Laney> weird
[08:17] <seb128> I mentioned it on #is earlier
[08:17] <seb128> but restarted after upgrades and forgot to rejoin
[08:17] <seb128> unsure if somebody picked it up, still not working though
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, is it 503 for you as well?
[08:18] <sarnold> yeah, being investigated
[08:20] <Laney> seb128: it is back
[08:21] <seb128> Laney has magical powers!
[08:21] <seb128> Laney, what did you do?
[08:21] <Laney> nothing
[08:21] <Laney> someone else fixed it
[08:21] <Laney> but I took their credit
[08:22] <Laney> I guess they restarted apache though, because it wasn't running before and is now
[08:24]  * Laney tries to get laptop back working ._.
[08:30] <seb128> what's the issue?
[08:30] <seb128> your upstart/dbus/systemd hacks/experiments?
[08:30] <Laney> it's all pitti's fault!
[08:30] <seb128> yeah, he's hidding in shame
[08:52] <seb128> happyaron, hey, how is the n-m works/updates/srus going? ;-)
[08:54] <happyaron> seb128: doing the vpn plugin things
[08:54] <seb128> happyaron, k, do you think you are going to get those ready today?
[08:55] <happyaron> will that work for tomorrorw? or do we do sru on fridays?
[09:03] <seb128> happyaron, are those updates that complex?
[09:04] <seb128> happyaron, we can upload on friday, then up to SRU team, they are usually fine getting things in proposed on friday
[09:04] <seb128> but they are not going to copy over to updates on friday next week
[09:06] <happyaron> not so complex, but I'm going off from work today soon... (17:06)
[09:07] <happyaron> I can give them to you before you start tomorrow
[09:11] <happyaron> seb128: well I'll give you most of them later today after dinner
[09:12] <seb128> happyaron, tomorrow is fine, just trying to understand what is blocking them, it's some work but shouldn't take 10+ days, but I'm probably overlooking some complexity?
[09:13] <happyaron> just trying to get all the vcs stuff done altogether
[09:13] <happyaron> and nm is not the only thing I'm doing...
[09:15] <seb128> happyaron, you should update your trello :p
[09:15] <happyaron> k..
[09:16] <seb128> happyaron, sorry I don't mean to stress you, I just want to see those moving, if you are busy on other things maybe I can help with that round of nm updates?
[09:16] <seb128> happyaron, or maybe we need to shuffle priorities, unsure what other things you work on and if they are higher priority that the nm stable update SRU
[09:16] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[09:17] <happyaron> well I think it's sort of my problem, i.e. in the time of switching to procedures I'm not familiar with
[09:18] <seb128> right, fair enough, learning curve
[09:18] <seb128> I guess I was expect that we do the SRUs as easy/debdiff updates
[09:18] <seb128> then you take time to see how you want to adjust the workflow etc for y
[09:18] <seb128> I was expecting*
[09:19] <willcooke> yeah, let's get the SRUs out of the way, and then we can work on upstreaming patches etc etc
[09:19] <seb128> but if you rework the vcs and learn the packages it takes time indeed
[09:19] <happyaron> for what I'm doing is trying to get everything sorted in a single try without doing things again, not expecting that we need SRUs so quickly
[09:20] <seb128> happyaron, well, you said yesterday that vpn&co plugins don't work in the LTS due to version mismatch ... that's sort of an important issue I think?
[09:21] <happyaron> yep, and I expected to give that to you tomorrow. for our timezone it's nice that I work in the morning and later when you EU guys are up I'm in the afternoon.
[09:23] <seb128> yeah
[09:23] <seb128> happyaron, thanks Aron, enjoy your dinner ;-)
[09:23] <seb128> happyaron, tomorrow is fine, let's stick to that
[09:23] <happyaron> :)
[09:24] <happyaron> but yeah I'll avoid fridays for sru
[09:24] <seb128> that's better
[09:24] <seb128> but not the end of the world
[09:24] <seb128> as said we can get them in proposed
[09:24] <seb128> they are just not going to be copied after the week
[09:24] <seb128> but on the monday after, so we just extend the testing period
[09:25] <happyaron> understand, but for stuff that's not working, let it migrate quicker could be better
[09:27] <seb128> yeah, we can argue with the sru team to move it earlier if it's well tested
[09:27] <seb128> speaking of which do you know if anyone from kde testing their regression with the nm in proposed?
[09:27] <seb128> that's still not moved over
[09:27] <seb128> unsure why
[09:29] <happyaron> I only talked with the uploader of that update once in bug comments, let me help to test that if things is not moving this weekend
[09:33] <seb128> k
[09:34] <seb128> can you maybe ping him again if you know where to find him?
[09:34] <seb128> thanks
[09:34] <happyaron> ok
[09:35] <seb128> ok, I'm going for early lunch before having a solid afternoon work then ;-)
[09:35] <seb128> bbiab
[09:36] <happyaron> have a nice lunch, :)
[09:36] <seb128> thanks!
[09:55] <Fudge> how do people import mbox files from the ubuntu mail archives into thunderbird?
[10:18] <Fudge> yay I found an extension
[10:20] <andyrock> hey all
[10:28] <willcooke> morning andyrock
[10:31] <hikiko> andyrock, Trevinho when you have a moment could you get a look at this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps/+merge/284068 it's getting too old... ;-)
[10:31] <andyrock> sure
[10:31] <hikiko> thanks!
[11:23] <seb128> hey andyrock hikiko!
[11:24] <hikiko> hey seb128 :)
[11:25] <hikiko> andyrock, are there any instructions on how to use metacity with unity?
[11:25] <hikiko> (is this possible?)
[11:25] <andyrock> hikiko: without compiz?
[11:25] <hikiko> I don't know, which are the options?
[11:26] <hikiko> I remembered you used metacity to see if a bug was coming from compiz or not
[11:26] <andyrock> hikiko: it's not possible
[11:27] <andyrock> there is the standalone version of unity
[11:27] <andyrock> but without window management
[11:27] <hikiko> oh I see you can't combine compiz compositor with metacity window manager then
[12:09] <Laney> exciting
[12:09] <Laney> I haxed dbus-daemon to activate all the things using systemd
[12:10] <Laney> it seems to even vaguely work
[12:10] <Laney> for apps too
[12:10] <Laney> May 26 13:09:20 nightingale dbus-daemon[2639]: Activating via systemd: service name='ca.desrt.dconf-editor' unit='dbus-ca.desrt.dconf-editor.service'
[12:10] <Laney> May 26 13:09:20 nightingale systemd[2613]: Starting DBUS1: ca.desrt.dconf-editor...
[12:10] <Laney> May 26 13:09:20 nightingale dbus-daemon[2639]: Successfully activated service 'ca.desrt.dconf-editor'
[12:11] <Laney> May 26 13:09:20 nightingale systemd[2613]: Started DBUS1: ca.desrt.dconf-editor.
[12:23] <seb128> Laney, so it makes anything dbus activate looks like a systemd job?
[12:23] <seb128> do they need to ship an unit for that?
[12:24] <Laney> nein
[12:24] <Laney> that's what broke my laptop yesterday
[12:25] <Laney> there's a generator
[12:27] <seb128> the generator create the systemd units?
[12:27] <Laney> yes sir
[12:27] <seb128> I see
[12:27] <seb128> cool!
[12:27] <seb128> no p_itti until monday to cheers though
[12:28]  * Laney is going to be off monday too
[12:28] <Laney> bank holiday
[12:28] <seb128> oh
[12:28] <seb128> enjoy! :-)
[12:28] <Laney> may is a weird month
[12:28] <Laney> all countries have them at different times
[12:28] <seb128> yeah, we also have our share of holidays
[12:28] <seb128> but few of them are synced between countries it seems
[12:28] <seb128> right
[12:29] <Laney> real europe counts as one country :P
[12:29] <seb128> canada has monday, germany today, you have monday
[12:29] <seb128> haha
[12:29] <desrt> saluton, karaj
[12:30] <seb128> hoi desrt
[12:30] <Laney> what up homeslice
[12:30] <desrt> not very much is "happening", my l33t dudes
[12:31]  * desrt makes a contorted face
[12:32] <desrt> know what i hate?  how some people put the orange pair first when terminating an rj45 connector.  WHY?!
[12:33] <Laney> white and orange orange white and green blue white and blue green white and brown brown
[12:33] <desrt> aka "the wrong way"
[12:33] <Laney> NO YOU
[12:33] <Trevinho> hikiko|ln: no you can't mix them... You can just use decor which + gtk-windoiw-decorator which uses metacity for theming, but not mixing the WMs
[12:33] <desrt> blue is pair 1 -- in the centre
[12:34] <desrt> orange is pair 2 -- surrounding the centre
[12:34] <Trevinho> hikiko|ln: as for that branch, I've some work in progress with it... I'll try to get it done ASAP
[12:34] <desrt> green to the left, brown to the right
[12:34] <Laney> I never actually managed to make a working cable
[12:34]  * desrt makes them all the time -- except for last night
[12:35] <desrt> >:|
[12:35] <Laney> come over and do mine
[12:35] <Laney> want to run it up the outside of the house
[12:36] <desrt> got conduit?
[12:37] <hikiko|ln> thanks Trevinho, did you find a bug? because I've tested it with edge-case windows (eg those blob-shaped ones that change in real-time) and it seemed to work well
[12:37] <Trevinho> hikiko|ln: I had crashes when adding/readding borders to chrome, but I also did some code optimizations around
[12:38] <Laney> it's "outdoor use" cable
[12:38]  * Laney needs food
[12:42] <desrt> the conduit is not to protect it against the weather... it's to protect it against mechanical damage
[12:50] <hikiko|ln> mmm, why it crashes? I'll get a look, I didn't see that problem, thanks Trevinho
[13:04] <hikiko> Trevinho, willcooke should I top approve sam's branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/compiz/compiz.animationaddon-returns/+merge/295497 he fixed 1 issue he had and so far his change doesn't affect unity or any default plugins
[13:06] <Trevinho> hikiko: sure, however we do use animations plugin
[13:06] <Trevinho> but not the addon
[13:08] <hikiko> Ok let me double check the animations 1 final time and i will top approve it
[13:08] <Trevinho> it's probably just a cleanup from my quick look
[13:09] <hikiko> Yes he just added a function for some raw code as far as i remember
[13:10] <Trevinho> hikiko: ok, go for it then... I'll include it in next landing round
[13:11] <Trevinho> hikiko: there are also other GL  related reviews if you want join the party.. https://code.launchpad.net/~smspillaz/compiz/+activereviews
[13:11] <Trevinho> hikiko: they're new plugins, so just check they're ok... Since there's no regression alert there
[13:12] <hikiko> sure
[13:13] <hikiko> sure I'll get a look
[13:18] <seb128> flexiondotorg, your g+ post you typoed "Sotware Bouqitue" in the title, missing "f" and swap of letters in boutique
[13:18]  * flexiondotorg has typing issues.
[13:19] <flexiondotorg> Thanks, I'll got a fix that.
[13:19] <seb128> yw!
[14:04] <Laney> this cable is not getting damaged in that way
[14:04] <Laney> only by my inability to wire the thing up
[14:17] <willcooke> ou est didrocks
[14:17]  * larsu bets France
[14:17] <larsu> hey willcooke :)
[14:17] <willcooke> what up larsu, congrats!!
[14:18] <seb128> hey larsu!
[14:18] <desrt> party in #u-d
[14:18] <larsu> hello seb128!
[14:18] <larsu> hey desrt :)
[14:18] <desrt> where's laney and attente?
[14:18] <seb128> congrats?
[14:18] <larsu> yeah.. congrats?
[14:18] <desrt> larsu: i heard the news!  congrats!
[14:18] <larsu> thanks!!!!!!
[14:18] <desrt> it's so awesome
[14:18] <desrt> you're gonna be really happy
[14:19] <larsu> more than I am anyway?
[14:19] <attente> ???
[14:19] <Laney> HAHA
[14:19] <larsu> hi attente
[14:19] <Laney> I feel the same
[14:19] <attente> hi larsu!
[14:19] <larsu> and hallo Laney
[14:19] <Laney> tag
[14:19] <desrt> attente: where are you?  i miss you
[14:19] <desrt> it's been like... 16 hours
[14:20]  * attente hugs desrt
[14:20] <larsu> don't you two live in the same city?
[14:20] <Laney> attente: https://www.trainingbeta.com/bouldering-strength-and-power-program/
[14:21] <Laney> last night makes me thing I need some strength and power
[14:21] <Laney> larsu: is there real news or are these people trolling?
[14:22] <larsu> trolling
[14:22] <Laney> aww
[14:22] <Laney> i was looking forward to being happy for you
[14:22] <Laney> can I be happy for you anyway?
[14:22] <attente> me too
[14:22] <larsu> it's a national holiday in germany
[14:22] <larsu> not in berlin
[14:23]  * larsu blames religion
[14:23] <Laney> hey you get to live in a cool city
[14:23] <Laney> it's like a holiday every day
[14:23] <larsu> Laney, attente: yes, you can!
[14:23] <larsu> haha indeed
[14:23]  * larsu just had delicious pad thai
[14:23] <attente> national holiday... but not in berlin...
[14:23] <Laney> you can have the holiday if you leave berlin
[14:24] <Laney> there's a solid ring of people standing on the boundary
[14:24] <larsu> attente: federalism!
[14:24] <attente> larsu: that does sound like a religion
[14:24] <larsu> I should have put national in quotes
[14:24] <larsu> haha
[14:24] <larsu> or said "state"
[14:25] <Laney> If you only have a few good burns in you every day on your project, and you want to climb harder for longer, this program will give you the mental and physical stamina you need to project strong all day
[14:25] <Laney> that is such a climbing sentence
[14:25] <desrt> reminds me of a friend of mine and his opinions on guitar magazines
[14:27] <attente> Laney: have you tried this? how effective is it?
[14:27] <Laney> a couple of my pals are doing it
[14:27] <Laney> one of them complains about doing too much training and not enough climbing /o\
[14:28] <Laney> the other guy is super keen though
[14:28] <Laney> they have this climbing diary where they document each one and how far they get every time
[14:28]  * Laney is going to try the trial
[14:29] <happyaron> seb128: still around?
[14:29] <seb128> happyaron, yes, it's 4pm ;-)
[14:30] <happyaron> what about sponsoring this -openconnect plugin? it was finished last week but not uploaded
[14:30] <happyaron> https://launchpad.net/~happyaron/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/6404038/+listing-archive-extra
[14:30] <cyphermox> seb128: fwiw, I noticed there is in fact a 3G -specific signal level icon for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1571574, I'm updating everything to use that
[14:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1571574 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "[SRU] 3G (WWAN) icon missing" [High,In progress]
[14:31] <seb128> cyphermox, great!
[14:31] <happyaron> thx cyphermox
[14:31] <larsu> seb128: 4pm on a Thursday!!!
[14:32] <seb128> happyaron, is that the one which p_itti comment about, #23 on the bug
[14:32] <larsu> how do you not have that holiday?!
[14:32] <cyphermox> happyaron: have you tested the vpn plugins? there's often some corner cases that may fail
[14:32] <seb128> larsu, you mean it's ice cream time?
[14:32] <seb128> :-)
[14:33] <larsu> haha yes!
[14:33] <cyphermox> ice cream!
[14:33] <happyaron> cyphermox: most of them need update to >= 1.2.0 for version mismatches
[14:33] <seb128> larsu, guess where p_itti is :p
[14:33] <larsu> eating ice cream in the sun I hope
[14:33] <Laney> making some really dark bread
[14:33] <cyphermox> happyaron: that's not what I mean, they still need to be tested. no point in updating to something broken
[14:33] <Laney> and/or gardening
[14:34]  * Laney knows pi_tti's life
[14:34] <seb128> :-)
[14:34] <seb128> or playing basketball
[14:34] <seb128> he seems to have got into it
[14:34] <Laney> maybe basketball and/or taekwondo
[14:34] <larsu> while eating ice cream
[14:34] <Laney> one of those beer hats modified to dispense ice cream instead
[14:34] <happyaron> cyphermox: ic, will double check when making any updates..
[14:35] <seb128> "please can hold that scone for me, need to throw the ball now" :p
[14:36] <larsu> hehe
[14:36] <Laney> sooooooooooooo css nodes are fun
[14:36] <Laney> also running 3 copies of the widget factory is fun
[14:36] <seb128> larsu, see what you did to Laney!
[14:37] <Laney> especially when you open the switcher
[14:37]  * larsu slowly walks away
[14:37] <Laney> compiz hates that
[14:37] <willcooke> Laney, I feel your pain
[14:37] <seb128> Marrrrcooooo
[14:37] <larsu> haha :)
[14:37] <flexiondotorg> willcooke, Have you got an LP bug reference for the white centres in progress bars?
[14:37] <seb128> what's the issue with the switcher?
[14:37] <Laney> i guess the live previews
[14:37] <Laney> seems to kill everything
[14:37] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, sec...
[14:38] <seb128> weird, it should be able to handle that :-/
[14:38] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: thanks if you fix that, it's fugly.
[14:38] <seb128> no really slowdown here
[14:38] <Laney> with more than one?
[14:38] <Laney> it doesn't always happen
[14:38] <seb128> yeah, just tried with 3
[14:38] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Is fixed, willcooke and Laney have the details.
[14:38] <cyphermox> weee
[14:39] <Laney> ho hum
[14:39] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, cyphermox https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1052936
[14:39] <Laney> probably drivers get involved
[14:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1052936 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Progress bar in "Progress" section has a hole in it" [Medium,Triaged]
[14:39] <seb128> yeah
[14:39] <seb128> or hidpi = more pixels
[14:39] <seb128> or something
[14:39] <Laney> different machine
[14:39] <seb128> ah
[14:39] <seb128> dunno then :-)
[14:39] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/gtk320.png
[14:39] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, cyphermox - I'm working on a fix
[14:39] <willcooke> flexiondotorg, cyphermox - nearly there, just need time to finish it.
[14:40] <cyphermox> cool, not a problem
[14:40] <Laney> every pixel on there has given me one new grey hair
[14:40] <cyphermox> it's not breaking things, it just looks ugly and I saw it a lot testing apturl and aptdaemon
[14:40] <willcooke> cyphermox, ditto
[14:40] <seb128> nice
[14:41] <Laney> still don't know what is up with that left linked button
[14:41] <Laney> comboboxes are hard
[14:43] <willcooke> cyphermox, actually, I think it's done.  Would you take a branch out for a test drive?
[14:43] <cyphermox> willcooke: tbh, can I haz a PPA instead?
[14:43] <willcooke> cyphermox, sure, lemme find out how to do that....
[14:43] <cyphermox> oh
[14:44] <Laney> lazzzzzzzzzzzy
[14:44] <Laney> bzr bd!
[14:44] <cyphermox> well, I can build it myself too ;)
[14:44]  * willcooke needs to learn anyway 
[14:44] <Laney> turn off --with scour in debian/rules if you do that
[14:44] <cyphermox> +1
[14:44]  * Laney 's tips
[14:44]  * willcooke smiles and nods and goes to look it up
[14:44] <cyphermox> Laney: seb128: gnome-common uninstallable?
[14:44] <Laney> willcooke: for local build, not ppa
[14:45] <Laney> what
[14:45] <willcooke> ah, kk
[14:45] <cyphermox> I don't know, sbuild is unhappy with building nm-applet here
[14:46] <seb128> cyphermox, what's the error?
[14:46] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ /home/ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-get yakkety-amd64 --dry-run install gnome-common >/dev/null 2>&1 && echo what you talkin about cyphermox
[14:46] <Laney> what you talkin about cyphermox
[14:46] <cyphermox> just "gnome-common is uninstallable"
[14:46] <Laney> same with proposed
[14:46] <seb128> try to apt-get install it
[14:46] <seb128> and see what's the actual error
[14:46] <cyphermox> nah, I see what it is
[14:47] <happyaron> unit tests of n-m randomly fail on my box, and I need reboot to get that work again
[14:47] <cyphermox> build with yakkety-proposed+main
[14:47] <happyaron> dunno why
[14:47] <seb128> happyaron, :-/
[14:47] <cyphermox> main-only build fails, gnome-common is in universe now?
[14:47] <Laney> you can build with universe
[14:47] <cyphermox> of course
[14:47] <seb128> yeah archive reorg
[14:48] <cyphermox> yeah, just had muscle-memory
[14:48] <seb128> :-)
[14:49] <happyaron> seb128: you might remember I stucked during our sprint saying unit tests problem
[14:49] <seb128> happyaron, yeah, you said you had local issues not happening in the ppa
[14:49] <seb128> did you ask cyphermox if he knows about those?
[14:50] <happyaron> nope, but doing now. cyphermox ^^^
[14:50] <cyphermox> unit tests for n-m can be confused by the interfaces on your system, especially if you're also running containers and whatnot
[14:51] <cyphermox> better to run in a pristine environment
[14:51] <happyaron> no containers
[14:51] <happyaron> ok
[14:51] <Sweet5hark1> *grumble*. /me had a ftbfs in the beta snap, now set it to  "make -j1" and it seems to be doing fine. Buildsystem race conditions ftw (esp. if they are happening in building bundled projects: aka a make triggering other build systems, possibly multiple ones in parallel ...) *grumble*
[14:52]  * Laney saw a post the other day about building gstreamer with meson
[14:53] <Laney> apparently they got loads of speedup
[14:54] <qengho> ninja is fast.
[14:57] <willcooke> cyphermox, https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/progress-bars
[15:01] <flocculant> seb128: re 'recent' files - have stuff from yesterday showing as yesterday
[15:02] <seb128> flocculant, yesterday before current time?
[15:02] <seb128> or after?
[15:02] <flocculant> was yesterday ~07:30
[15:02] <seb128> and what time is it now for you? :-)
[15:03] <Sweet5hark1> Laney, quengo: guys, this would suck with any build system. The annoying part is stacking build systems on top of buildsystems. Jenga-style development again.
[15:03] <flocculant> seb128: on another note - I have a file that says accessed 26/01/2015 - which I assume was the *first* time it was accessed as I opened/modified it yesterday
[15:04] <flocculant> seb128: it's currently 16:03, that file with 'yesterday' this morning showed the 'time' rather than yesterday
[15:04]  * Laney snuggles Sweet5hark1 
[15:04] <Laney> you are experiencing the fun of bundling
[15:05] <flocculant> seb128: I would anticipate tomorrow ~08:00 it saying 25/01/16
[15:05] <Sweet5hark1> aye
[15:05]  * Sweet5hark1 pouts
[15:05]  * happyaron goes to his bed
[15:05] <flocculant> happyaron: don't take a pout
[15:05] <flocculant> awful tasting fish
[15:06] <happyaron> :)
[15:07] <seb128> flocculant, ok, thanks, I need to look more, still seems confusing behaviour
[15:07] <seb128> happyaron, night!
[15:07] <seb128> happyaron, btw did you see my comment about openconnect?
[15:08] <flocculant> seb128: ack - personally I'm confused why it's saying the 'accessed' time if that's the original, would make more sense to show the more recent one *shrug*
[15:08] <seb128> yeah
[15:08] <flocculant> and happy enough to look again later
[15:08] <happyaron> seb128: the dependency thing?
[15:08] <seb128> it's supposed to do that
[15:08] <happyaron> ah will look tomorrow
[15:08] <seb128> happyaron, yes, p_itti blocked the SRU due to that, cf the bug
[15:08] <happyaron> ic
[15:09] <flocculant> seb128: aah right - ok - well then I'd call bug :)
[15:10] <flocculant> which is easy to do when you can't fix them ;)
[15:11] <seb128> hehe
[15:39] <attente> seb128: hey, do you have a chance to try out the ppa?
[15:41] <qengho> Laney: I want to implement appstream for this chromium release. Can you point me to a source package whose appstream data is exemplary?
[15:41] <Laney> qengho: gnome-software probably has it right
[15:41] <qengho> Awesome. Thanks.
[15:42] <Laney> You should get upstream to ship this
[15:42] <seb128> attente, hey, oh sorry, forgot ...going to do that in a bit
[15:43] <cyphermox> seb128: Laney: willcooke's code branch looks good for the theming
[15:44] <cyphermox> I tested with the adwaita and ambiance themes in gnome-shell.
[15:44] <seb128> cyphermox, great!
[15:45] <cyphermox> ah there he is
[15:49] <cyphermox> hm, actually maybe I'm not testing this right
[15:55] <cyphermox> willcooke: your code branch looks good to me
[15:55] <willcooke> cyphermox, thx.  I'm going to keep it on here for a bit and see if I can find anything that broke.
[15:55] <willcooke> Laney, might be another merge ^
[15:59] <seb128> willcooke, you might want to get the light theme updated as well? (unsure why the bug doesn't show there but better to not have the code diverge between those)
[16:00] <willcooke> seb128, good call, will do
[16:09] <seb128> tiheum, hey, do you think we could easily get phone-<level>-charging icons?
[16:10] <seb128> tiheum, try to figure out what to do with bug #1470080
[16:10] <ubot5`> bug 1470080 in indicator-power (Ubuntu) "Broken icon in indicator when iphone attached" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1470080
[16:10] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[16:10] <willcooke> ack, thx seb128
[16:11] <seb128> the issue is that the charging/discharging
[16:11] <seb128> it's that it tries to load "phone-<level>-charging" icons
[16:11] <seb128> which we don't have
[16:11] <seb128> unsure what to do with that
[16:11] <seb128> best option would be to get those icons
[16:13] <seb128> if we can't easily then either display a battery one? or a standard phone icon?
[16:14] <seb128> but /usr/share/icons/suru/devices/scalable/phone-symbolic.svg doesn't look good in the indicator
[16:18] <tiheum> seb128, hi, I think that the best option is to add a (pixel-perfect) 'phone charging' icon to ubuntu-mono-light and ubuntu-mono-dark themes
[16:19] <seb128> tiheum, do you think you could work on that when you have some spare cycles?
[16:20] <tiheum> seb128, sure, it might not take too long. I add ubuntu-themes to the bug's affected projects.
[16:20] <seb128> tiheum, I added the package, feel free to add the upstream project as well
[16:20] <seb128> tiheum, thanks!
[16:20] <willcooke> thanks tiheum
[16:23] <tiheum> seb128, just one thing: do we need only one icon whatever the charge level of the phone is or several icons (and which ones)?
[16:27] <tiheum> seb128, actually I've just check the status icon in ubuntu-mono-light and we have already a few icons that could be used when charging a phone. Look into /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mono-light/status/24
[16:27] <seb128> oh
[16:27] <tiheum> icon are called gpm-phone-XXX.svg where XXX is the charge level
[16:27] <tiheum> *icons
[16:29] <tiheum> or xfm-phone-XXX.svg
[16:29] <seb128> yeah, trying that
[16:29] <seb128> the charge levels are by 10
[16:30] <tiheum> nope, 20
[16:32] <seb128> in the code
[16:32] <seb128> oh, rather 10 with fallback to 20
[16:33] <seb128> tiheum, k, so those icons are not -charging
[16:33] <seb128> I guess the code could fallback to try to load the non charging version
[16:33] <seb128> as a fallback
[16:34] <seb128> also the menu looks weird with those because they don't have the same ratio as the battery ones
[16:34] <seb128> but at least the panel looks fine
[16:34] <seb128> charles, ^
[16:36] <seb128> charles, tiheum, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/device.png
[16:36] <seb128> willcooke, ^
[16:36] <charles> hm, indicator-power's code looks like it should be requesting an icon like gpm-phone-100
[16:37] <seb128> does it?
[16:38] <seb128>       case UP_DEVICE_STATE_CHARGING:
[16:38] <seb128> has all its icons -charging
[16:38] <seb128> do we do the iconspace thing where we drop the suffix until we find something?
[16:38] <seb128> i.e icon-something-else looking to icon-something?
[16:40] <charles> seb128, for charging it would request something like gpm-phone-080-charging
[16:40] <charles> for discharging it would be gpm-phone-080
[16:40] <seb128> right
[16:41] <seb128> well the phone is plugged
[16:41] <seb128> so it's charging
[16:41] <charles> so, right, we dont have -charging icons
[16:41] <seb128> unsure if we should fallback to non charging in those cases
[16:41] <seb128> also see the screenshot for the menu layout issue
[16:41] <charles> yeah, same
[16:43] <charles> IMO falling back to icon-something when icon-something-else is unavailable is better than a broken icon
[16:44] <charles> but it would be better to have a phone-foo-charging icon
[16:46] <charles> not sure what appearance they would have though
[16:46] <charles> tiheum, do you think it would make sense to add phone charging icons different from the current phone icons?
[16:46] <charles> also mpt ^
[16:49] <tiheum> charles, what do you mean?
[16:49] <charles> tiheum, eg right now there's gpm-phone-040.svg. Would it make sense to have another icon to show a charging phone, eg gpm-phone-040-charging.svg
[16:50] <seb128> with a small charging sign on it or something
[16:50] <tiheum> seb128, charles: oh, I see
[16:51] <tiheum> it would make sense but it's tricky because the icons are tiny
[16:51] <tiheum> note that the main battery icon is larger than the other indicators
[16:52] <seb128> attente, gnome-software from the ppa looks fine to me, installing/starting/remove a software, refreshing for updates, looking at review, searching for a snap ... did you specific issues?
[16:52] <seb128> I'm going to keep playing a bit with it
[16:52] <seb128> but no regression that I can see so far
[16:52] <seb128> tiheum, right, that leads to http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/device.png
[16:52] <tiheum> so a phone + a charge level + a sign... it's a lot to combine in one tiny icon :)
[16:53] <tiheum> yeah, in the menu, the icon is only 16x16 px
[16:53] <tiheum> 24x24 in the panel which is better but still small
[16:53] <seb128> charles, can we get the fallback to drop -charging?
[16:54] <charles> seb128, yes.
[16:54] <seb128> charles, thanks
[16:54] <charles> seb128, that won't fix the menu alignment issue but at least it'll get the broken icon off the panel
[16:54] <seb128> right
[16:54] <attente> seb128: it feels like some of the aptd transactions are slower for some reason, and sometimes i find after an update/search, the spinner kind of just runs forever
[16:55] <seb128> attente, k, I didn't use it enough to see, in fact I didn't use g-s since Prague I think
[16:55] <seb128> so difficult to say
[16:55] <seb128> but we keep it in proposed for a while and see the feedback
[16:55] <attente> yeah, not sure if that's a regression though either or if the archive version does it too
[16:55] <attente> ok
[16:58] <seb128> attente, get some more people on the channel to install it maybe, like willcooke & Laney, and see what's the feedback is by monday (no sru on friday anyway) and we can decide next week if we SRU it or if it needs more work?
[16:58] <attente> ok, sounds good
[16:59] <willcooke> attente, how do I test?  What needs doing?
[16:59] <willcooke> also: did the "update all" patch get in?
[16:59] <willcooke> (that was a thing being worked on, I think)
[16:59] <attente> willcooke: https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/gnome-software
[16:59] <willcooke> ((might be wrong))
[16:59] <seb128> I think that one is mainly a rebase on current stable upstream
[16:59] <attente> update all should be working
[16:59] <willcooke> attente, do I need to enable propsed as well, or just add the PPA?
[17:00] <willcooke> attente, @ update all - sweet!
[17:00] <attente> willcooke: just the ppa
[17:00] <willcooke> oki dokey
[17:00] <willcooke> and what should I be looking out for?
[17:00] <attente> i guess just try to do the usual activities, search, install, remove, updating
[17:00] <seb128> you play with it and see if it feels like it's working as before
[17:00] <seb128> looking for potential regressions in performances or behaviour
[17:01] <willcooke> I'd better play with the current version a bit more first then :)
[17:01] <seb128> yeah :-)
[17:01] <willcooke> am I a bad person.
[17:01] <willcooke> :)
[17:01] <attente> :) don't worry. you can always install the current version over the new one
[17:03] <Laney> night!
[17:03]  * Laney has marginally improved spinbuttons
[17:03]  * Laney screams
[17:03]  * Laney is off to a new micro pub to get away from it all
[17:04] <Laney> http://www.fhp.co.uk/news/micropub-a-pottle-of-blues-opens-in-beeston
[17:04] <seb128> night Laney!
[17:05] <willcooke> cya Laney
[17:23] <willcooke> hrmmmmmm
[17:23] <willcooke> I think I see why Radiance works
[17:24] <willcooke> and it's a one line fix if so....
[17:31] <seb128> willcooke, what is it? who fixed it? ;-)
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, I think it's related to background-image
[17:31] <willcooke> just testing it now
[17:32] <willcooke> meh, that just made it wors
[17:32] <willcooke> e
[17:32] <willcooke> :)
[17:34] <willcooke> seb128, what's a good GUI diff tool?
[17:35] <seb128> meld?
[17:35] <seb128> it's the only one I know
[17:35]  * willcooke uses g-s to install it 
[18:33] <charles> seb128, I've pushed work to lp:~charlesk/indicator-power/lp-1470080-missing-icon-when-apple-devices-connected to fall back to icon 'foo' if icon 'foo-charging' is unavailable
[18:33] <charles> seb128, could you test it with your apple device?
[18:33] <willcooke> charles, I can do that
[18:33] <charles> willcooke,  yay
[18:33] <willcooke> charles, seb128 would never own an Apple device :)
[18:35] <willcooke> charles, have you got time for a bit of hand-holding?  I need help getting it built.  If not, I can ask Seb to help me in the morning
[18:37]  * willcooke installs build-deps for indicator-power & cmake
[18:37] <charles> willcooke, I'll make a silo for it and build there. Would that be ok?
[18:37] <willcooke> charles, oh - maybe I did it :_
[18:37] <willcooke> :)
[18:37] <willcooke> I did cmake . and then make
[18:37] <willcooke> and something is happening
[18:37] <willcooke> I've got an indicator-power-service binary in src
[18:38] <charles> willcooke, ok from the terminal "$stop indicator-power" to stop the one that's already running for you
[18:38] <charles> and then you can run the one you just built, ie build/src/indicator-power-service
[18:38] <charles> and it should show up in the panel
[18:38] <willcooke> $ stop indicator-power-service
[18:38] <willcooke> stop: Unknown job: indicator-power-service
[18:39] <willcooke> can I just pkill it?
[18:39] <charles> willcooke, "stop indicator-power" not "stop indicator-power-service"
[18:39] <willcooke> ah!
[18:39] <willcooke> thx
[18:39] <charles> when you're done testing you can "$start indicator-power" to bring it back
[18:40] <willcooke> damn it, now the phone is fully charged :)
[18:40]  * willcooke uses battery 
[18:40] <willcooke> MINECRAFT!!
[18:40] <charles> lol
[18:41] <charles> willcooke, you're familiar with the bug? if not popey's screenshot @ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/210338198/Selection_486.png from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-power/+bug/1470080 shows it in action
[18:41] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1470080 in indicator-power (Ubuntu) "Broken icon in indicator when iphone attached" [High,Triaged]
[18:42] <willcooke> checking
[18:47] <willcooke> charles, looks good!
[18:47] <charles> willcooke, \o/
[18:47] <willcooke> I've got some screenshots here, sec...
[18:49] <willcooke> charles, http://imgur.com/a/jACV7
[18:50] <charles> good good
[18:50] <willcooke> thanks a lot charles!
[18:51] <charles> tedg, as per ^ I made a couple more commits to https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-power/lp-1470080-missing-icon-when-apple-devices-connected/+merge/295752 after your Approve -- one to add the fallback icons, and one to make the device tests more readable as you suggested
[18:52] <charles> tedg, the former was literally a one-liner, replacing a 'break;' with a comment so that a switch's state-charging case could fall through to state-discharging
[18:52] <charles> tedg, the ripple effects in the unit tests though... :D
[18:53] <charles> willcooke, thanks for testing it out on your Apple device
[18:53] <willcooke> yw!
[18:58]  * tedg can't believe willcooke admitted publicly to owning an Apple device
[18:59]  * willcooke <-- hates freedom 
[19:01] <willcooke> right, dinner time
[19:01] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[19:01] <willcooke> g'night