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baizon https://imgur.com/a/5MIK903:10
daftykinsjust got linked to that03:13
daftykinsunclear if it's even an employee03:13
EriC^^:D03:15
EriC^^no way03:15
daftykinshttps://imgur.com/r/funny/pEaLg2O03:16
EriC^^:D03:17
pauljwunbelievable :)03:19
pauljwbedtime for Bonzo...  gnite.03:20
lotuspsychjegood morning to all03:46
baizonhi lotuspsychje03:47
lotuspsychjehey baizon03:47
lotuspsychjehi EriC^^03:47
EriC^^hi lotuspsychje03:47
lotuspsychjehi Bashing-om :p03:47
EriC^^morning03:47
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: im hired for a new job03:47
EriC^^awesome03:47
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: its part time for preparing meals in kitchen03:48
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: so ill be starting business pretty soon now as sidejob03:48
EriC^^cool03:49
EriC^^that's awesome man03:49
lotuspsychjeyeah03:50
EriC^^if only i lived next to you03:51
EriC^^free meals every day for me03:51
Bashing-omhello lotuspsychje .. great ya here . with tht side job .. we not see as much of ya ... Pooo .03:51
EriC^^*DROOL*03:51
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: yeah a little less irc for me, but im never gonna leave :p03:52
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: haha, there are stores around the globe where ill start03:52
lotuspsychjeEriC^^: http://www.lepainquotidien.com/landing/international/#.V0ZzI55b8l803:53
EriC^^you will be traveling?03:53
lotuspsychjeno03:53
lotuspsychjea new stores opens at 10min from my door imagine03:53
lotuspsychjei can walk to it03:53
EriC^^cool03:54
lotuspsychjehttps://opensource.com/life/16/5/open-source-hardware-certification-oshwa04:00
daftykinso hai \o04:07
Bashing-omgood deal ^^ .. let us hope it flys high !04:07
daftykins:D04:07
daftykinslotuspsychje: congrats \o/04:07
lotuspsychjehey daftykins, tnx :p04:08
daftykinsalso mines an english breakfast ;D04:08
lotuspsychjei dont think they server continental04:08
lotuspsychjemost stuff will be biologic04:09
lotuspsychjebeans in tomate sauce i think they dont have04:09
daftykinsd'aww04:09
lotuspsychje:p04:10
daftykinshey lotus do you like fudge?04:10
lotuspsychjedaftykins: are you kidney lover too?04:10
lotuspsychjewhat fudge?04:10
daftykinshttp://images.media-allrecipes.com/userphotos/720x405/150611.jpg04:10
lotuspsychjelets c04:10
daftykinssorta normal that type :>04:10
daftykinscream fudge i suppose o004:10
lotuspsychjeis that chocolat or meat, never seen it04:11
daftykinscreamy baised, so dairy04:11
SwitchesIt's fudge! wonderful tasty vanilla fudge! *drools*04:12
daftykins:>04:12
lotuspsychjemmm sounds delicious on wiki04:12
lotuspsychjenever tasted that before04:13
daftykins:O even better04:13
daftykinsit's my plan to send you a box of Guernsey fudge :P04:13
lotuspsychjecool04:13
* lotuspsychje hopes those bloody rams work haha04:13
daftykinsXD04:13
* Bashing-om drooling too ... how long before we see it in the IRC pantry ?04:13
daftykinsapt get install fudge04:13
lotuspsychjehaha04:14
lotuspsychjeinstalling in stomac.......done 100%04:14
daftykinsor maybe04:16
daftykinsmv /home/daftykins/fudge ../lotus/04:16
lotuspsychjelol04:16
lotuspsychjeyeah to my home04:16
daftykinsja :D04:16
lotuspsychjelocal specialities are awesome04:17
lotuspsychjefor us its: wafles,french fries,chocolat,chicory and asperges04:18
daftykins:O04:19
EriC^^i make a mean smoothie06:10
EriC^^sometimes i experiment with food in the kitchen06:10
daftykins:D06:11
EriC^^powdered milk + sugar + water + i dont know the name of it it's rimmein in lebanese06:11
daftykinsi'm lazy when it comes to food :P06:11
EriC^^in the blender it's really tasty06:11
EriC^^i was out of that rimmein thing once so i tried putting a frozen icecream strawberry and another blackberry too06:12
EriC^^tasted great very fluffy and stuff06:12
EriC^^once i didn't have icecream either so i tried jello and it was good too06:12
EriC^^anyways also when it's done i put maltesers in it sometimes and put whip cream at the top and hershey's chocolate syrup over it06:13
daftykinsXD06:16
daftykinswhat's the biggest fail you've had?06:16
EriC^^hmm i tried making lemon tarts once and it was pretty disgusting06:17
daftykinsd'aww06:17
EriC^^i tried putting oreos in that smoothie yesterday and also turning them around in it, it sucked06:18
EriC^^it was very thick and stuff06:20
daftykins:S06:20
EriC^^let me get the name of that rimmein thing06:21
daftykinsdefinitely sounds interesting that one06:21
daftykinsi'm trying to imagine what would happen if i added water and sugar to milk06:21
EriC^^grenadine06:21
EriC^^nah it's powdered milk06:21
daftykinsah06:22
EriC^^it's like milk in a bag that you add water to06:22
EriC^^yeah06:22
EriC^^you can use normal milk + some sugar i guess06:22
EriC^^i tried with rose btw but i didn't taste good, also cherry's (actual ones) sucked06:23
EriC^^peach icecream wasted ok06:23
EriC^^*tasted06:23
EriC^^not that nice though, it's good for if there isn't something else maybe06:23
daftykinsXD06:25
EriC^^those new 360 cameras seem pretty decent06:28
EriC^^they're like $40006:28
daftykinsoof06:28
EriC^^$400 is cheap06:28
daftykinsfor that kinda thing i suppose, is it one with loads of cameras in a frame?06:29
EriC^^no it's just a rectangular box, like a phone almost with 2 cameras on each side06:29
EriC^^there's a more pro one that's a sphere with a zillion cameras on it06:30
EriC^^there's even one that costs $60,000 O.o06:30
EriC^^a really nice camera is a canon dslr 80d06:30
daftykinsi could get every islander to throw in £106:30
daftykinsthat'd pay for it06:30
EriC^^to take pics and videos and stuff06:30
EriC^^$120006:31
EriC^^the pics are really clear though not like the iphone pics seem very dark and stuff06:31
EriC^^which camera did you use to take the pics you showed us once?06:31
daftykinsjust my Nexus 5 of late06:33
daftykinssmartphone pics do suffer a lot yeah, i've never really been into cameras though06:33
EriC^^the pics looked good though06:35
ducassemorning, all06:35
EriC^^morning ducasse :)06:35
daftykins\o06:36
daftykinsi'm watching bad karaoke06:36
daftykinswww.twitch.tv/ezekiel_iii06:36
EriC^^me neither i've only ever used cameras for taking videos/pics of cars :D i feel like buying a camera though to take pics of the sunset and stuff like that and maybe do time lapses for fun06:36
ducassewow, that's pretty bad daftykins :)06:39
daftykins:D06:39
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/deeimq9wv25n2so/IMG_20160504_123453.jpg?dl=006:40
daftykinsall them pixels06:40
EriC^^nice06:41
daftykinsit's good in great light, but rubbish in low06:41
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/xq0f1id92py7cu0/VID_20160525_003953.mp4?dl=006:42
daftykinsthat believe it or not is 1080p video in low light06:42
EriC^^wow06:43
daftykinspotato++06:43
EriC^^lol06:43
daftykinswe lost Bashing to the land of nod06:44
EriC^^hehe06:44
EriC^^it's amazing he's still on at this time06:44
daftykins:>06:44
daftykinsdedication++06:44
EriC^^i feel like strapping a 360camera on the top of my car06:45
EriC^^and cruising around lebanon, people can see the view all around06:45
daftykinsdo it :D06:45
EriC^^also i can race people and film the races in 36006:45
daftykinshey did you go for a drive with a normal camera yet?06:45
daftykinshaha they do street racing there? :)06:46
EriC^^i tried my iphone strapped to the passenger side headset haha06:46
EriC^^yeah they race a lot here and there are no laws and stuff nobody cares06:46
daftykinsO_O06:46
EriC^^the iphone was pretty ok, i could adjust the camera with the headset06:46
EriC^^i raced some porsche carrera, dunno exactly what, and also a nissan 350z the porsche was pulling away though06:47
EriC^^my car seems to stutter at like 5000rpm or so, i haven't changed the fuel filter in 10 years and it probably needs a lot of other stuff :D06:48
daftykinsoof06:48
EriC^^in it's best shape it's around 340bhp with no turbo's on a 1300kg chassis06:48
daftykinsit's angry at you06:48
EriC^^lol yeah06:48
daftykins"eric y u do dis to meeeee?!"06:48
daftykins(i decided it has an accent)06:49
EriC^^i just remove my foot off the pedal and then stomp it again, and scream wtf!06:49
EriC^^lol06:49
EriC^^lol terminator accent :P06:50
EriC^^well, it is a german car :P06:50
daftykinsXD06:50
daftykins"Ja Eric vee race now"06:51
EriC^^lol06:51
daftykinsmaybe we can ask oerheks to do a german accent through your phone during the recordings06:52
EriC^^lol06:53
EriC^^we can just dub him in later06:53
daftykinsah that's true06:53
EriC^^xD06:53
daftykinsbut i was thinking you could have some banter06:53
daftykins"come on car, turbo!"06:54
daftykins"ich kann nicht, eric!"06:54
EriC^^lol07:00
EriC^^:D07:01
EriC^^ich kann nicht means i can't do it?07:01
daftykinsyep :D well, roughly07:01
daftykinsi haven't done German since school XD07:01
lotuspsychjebreakfast :p07:02
daftykinswhere's ours :(07:04
EriC^got dc07:09
EriC^awesome doing some nachoz sauce in a few using cheddar cheese, i tried this once it was AWESOME07:10
EriC^i need butter though :/07:10
EriC^hmm some recipes dont say you need butter and flour with it and milk07:10
ducasseany of you good with hardware? i need a new cooler for my cpu, should i go with liquid or air?07:11
daftykinsclosed loop liquid coolers strike me as just moving the fans elsewhere07:12
daftykinswhat are you running CPU wise?07:12
ducassei7 4790k07:12
daftykinsand where in the world are you?07:12
ducassenorway07:12
EriC^carmen sandiego07:13
EriC^is that you?07:13
ducasse:)07:13
EriC^:)07:13
daftykinsif there's no budget, Noctua NH-D15s remain top it seems, but there's some really cheap effective one somewhere07:13
daftykinshttp://www.techspot.com/products/cooling/cryorig-h7-universal.114339/07:14
daftykinsthis thing is some crazy cheap choice07:14
ducasseit runs a bit hot under load with the stock cooler, so i want to swap it with something better. the problem with the dh-15 is that it takes up so much space and blocks things.07:14
daftykinssure can07:15
daftykinsalways gotta read into those mobo compatibility lists07:15
ducasseyes, i guess i'll check what my usual place has in stock. so you mean liquid isn't worth it?07:16
daftykinsthey seem very expensive to me, since they're fixed you have to find a way to mount the radiators inside the case too07:17
ducassethere are two places inside the case designed for radiators, so that's not a problem.07:18
EriC^that fan looks pretty decent, the surface area is huge it seems and the fan blades have a curve designed into them even, hehe07:20
EriC^the site makes my pc heat up btw :P 100% firefox usage xD07:20
daftykinsXD07:20
daftykinsheatsink reviews in processor cooking shocker07:21
daftykinsnice 25 deg C idle average across my i7-6700 right now \o/07:21
EriC^wow that's pretty low07:22
EriC^cpu's dont have efficiency temps do they?07:22
ducassethat's about what my i7 gets at regular use, but if i encode video it goes up to 80°C.07:22
daftykinslike a minimum heat to run well, you mean?07:24
EriC^yeah like at this temp it runs better07:25
daftykinsducasse: mmm i just put this one together, it's probably helping that i don't use the on-die graphics... but i was thinking about making use of it so i can stream games on twitch with the quicksync intel tech to convert the video :D07:25
daftykinsi might have to add a better heatsink later, but i like running stock so far07:25
daftykinsEriC^: i don't think so, i know major overclockers used to have issues with some chips that didn't like being below 007:26
ducasseEriC^: a cpu will throttle if it gets too hot, i believe.07:27
EriC^yeah mine was doing that yesterday07:28
EriC^just while using openshot07:28
EriC^92'c +07:28
daftykinsD:07:28
daftykinsare you cooling it with a toaster?07:29
EriC^the editing software in linux is kind of lacking, openshot is nice but you can't put a slowmotion effect or speed up in the videos, kdenlive can but you lose the audio :/07:29
EriC^lol07:30
daftykinsO_O07:30
daftykinsthose are quite the dealbreakers07:30
EriC^yeah indeed07:31
ducassedaftykins: there's no software for linux that can use quicksync to encode, is there? all i found was that intel media server package for $500007:32
daftykinshandbrake had experimental support, but i run Windows07:33
daftykinsfunky features work here (:07:33
ducassei'm not going to install windows just for that :)07:34
daftykinsi saw the feature in the broadcasting software OBS07:34
ducasseyes, i noticed that, but didn't really want to mess with it.07:35
ducassehmmm, corsair hydro h75 looks interesting. good reviews too.07:36
daftykinsi'm still waiting impatiently to pick a new graphics card to complete my new build \o/07:37
ducassewhat did you get?07:37
ducassecongrats, btw :)07:37
daftykinshehe thanks, first new desktop since December 200707:39
daftykinsnot ordering anything yet, just threw the 560Ti 2GB in my new build for now07:39
daftykinsi'm not quite sure how my system boots in EFI happily since the card lacks an EFI GOP capable BIOS07:39
ducassei bought my desktop last summer, because i got a lot of money back from taxes. spent way too much on it :)07:40
daftykins:D07:40
daftykinsi only had to drop £600 to get a new case, motherboard, M.2 SSD, i7 6700 and 32GB RAM07:41
daftykinsbit of a blurry pic - https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkbx3vbk4wu3e3w/IMG_20160421_223946.jpg?dl=007:42
ducassei spent more than that, but got a pretty similar system. hardware is expensive here.07:42
ducassehey, i've got the exact same psu! :)07:43
daftykinsD:07:43
daftykins5 years old and still going strong - i reused that and the graphics card from my old build07:43
ducassefractal design case?07:44
ducassei thought about getting discrete graphics, but it's just so nice to run intel. no driver hassle, and it just works™. all i need is multiple hd outputs.07:49
daftykinsAntec P28007:49
daftykins:) i'm going to step up the gaming again, so it's a no-brainer07:49
daftykinsmy 5 year old card gets 18fps in the new Hitman07:49
ducassei haven't really gamed in many years. been thinking of getting a cheap controller just to play some old amiga classics, but it's not something i care deeply about any more.07:51
daftykins*nod*07:52
ducassei almost flunked out of school due to civilization, though. :)07:52
daftykinsi chose a bad time, new stuff is only just getting announced so i get to wait XD07:52
daftykinsComputex on the 31st, E3 on the ~8th07:53
ducassei bought my desktop just as skylake had come out, but there were so many problems back then that i didn't want to deal with. there's *always* the next big thing right around the corner.07:55
daftykins*nod*07:55
daftykinsthe graphics thing is pretty huge right now though, first process move in 5 years... 28nm -> 14/16nm07:56
daftykinsmakes for nice efficient kit07:56
ducassethe whole vr thing is interesting, though. wonder if it will take off this time. i think it's too expensive still.07:56
daftykinsdefinitely too early, it's gimmick status until proven to me07:57
daftykins3D i laughed at for a long time and sure enough it seems to have flopped07:57
ducassevisitor. bbl.07:58
darthmaulanyone ?09:24
daftykinswell that was an excellent show of patience09:34
daftykins*facepalm*09:34
EriC^they could probably make some really cool VR game09:46
EriC^you put on VR glasses, and you stand on sort of like that gym walker thingy09:46
EriC^and when you walk the guy walks and when you run he runs, and jump he jumps09:47
EriC^lol09:47
EriC^i think there already are!09:49
EriC^minus the gym walker thing09:50
ducassewow, that took forever. back now. vr could be interesting to play with, but i think at needs a few more years...10:11
EriC^we should make a program that's like ppa-purge but uses links, would be useful10:24
ducasseyou mean, feed it the url to the repo and it does what ppa-purge does?10:26
EriC^yeah10:26
EriC^what would that be though, get the list of programs installed from that ppa10:27
ducasseshouldn't be too hard, all you need to do is compare the package list to installed packages, and remove them.10:27
EriC^then remove them, remove the ppa from the cache, and install older versions of the packages10:28
EriC^yeah probably there might be some programs installed like a .deb or so that depend on some of those too though, so maybe list the stuff that depends on them, and check if it'll still work without the ppa and warn they'll be totally removed if they continue10:29
EriC^like somebody using some ppa to get some program that's just a dependent for some .deb he wanted to install10:29
EriC^so get the stuff that depends on the ppa programs, check if the programs will still work once it's removed and normal packages installed, if it requires the ppa's version then say they'll be removed and whether to continue or not10:31
ducassesomething like that, yes.10:31
ducassei doubt i know python well enough to make something decent, but it would be a great learning project.10:33
EriC^why not bash?10:33
lotuspsychjegood afternoon10:34
ducassesure.10:34
ducasseafternoon, lotus!10:34
lotuspsychjehi ducasse10:34
EriC^afternoon lotuspsychje10:35
lotuspsychjehey EriC^10:35
lotuspsychje!info network-manager10:41
ubot5`network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.93-0ubuntu4 (xenial), package size 2064 kB, installed size 10744 kB (Only available for linux-any)10:41
lotuspsychjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/158311410:49
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1583114 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Dhcpdiscover loops on interval until network-manager restart" [Low,Triaged]10:49
lotuspsychjei have to compile a higher network-manager myself?10:49
lotuspsychjeif its a known unstream issue, why dont they patch it?10:50
ducasseif there's a patch, can't you apply it and build the package?10:53
lotuspsychjeyeah, but i dont understand if its known why dont they implement this in updates?10:53
lotuspsychjeive seen so many users suffer this wifi/eth icon bug already on xenial10:55
ducassesure, i get your point. it must be on someone's todo list, but it's got priority 'low'.10:56
lotuspsychjebah10:57
ducassebesides, network manager is ritually unclean ;)10:57
lotuspsychjeif this happens to john doe user..you we cant possibly imagine they have to do all the work themselfs on bugs10:59
ducassethat is very true.10:59
lotuspsychjeespecially when they found the problem causing it11:00
lotuspsychjeim not gonna follow up this bug anymore11:00
ducassei think they're a little overwhelmed by bugs after xenial release...11:00
lotuspsychjelol11:01
lotuspsychjeducasse: if they find a security issue it get patched right away right11:03
lotuspsychjeducasse: they should find an automatic system the same way for average bugs aswell11:03
ducassethey usually get top priority.11:03
lotuspsychjeyeah11:03
ducassetbh, if a bug can be worked around by restarting a program, i guess the 'low' priority is pretty fair. the fix will probably be included with another update.11:07
lotuspsychjeill wait the next update then11:08
lotuspsychjeill play john doe11:08
ducasse:)11:08
lotuspsychje!info network-manager yakkety11:08
ubot5`network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.2-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 2008 kB, installed size 10752 kB (Only available for linux-any)11:08
lotuspsychjeso....11:08
lotuspsychjethis is the version that fix11:08
lotuspsychjewhy cant xenial get it11:09
ducassebackport, maybe?11:09
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj11:10
BluesKajHiyas all11:10
lotuspsychjeducasse: no, ill wait the official way :p11:10
BluesKajHI lotuspsychje11:10
ducassei meant you could ask for one :)11:10
ducassehi, BluesKaj :)11:10
lotuspsychjeah11:10
BluesKajHi ducasse11:10
BluesKajfinally some needed rain here, it's been extremely dry ... lots of forest fires in our area11:11
ducassewe finally have nice weather, after a week of rain :)11:12
lotuspsychjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/158311411:14
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1583114 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Dhcpdiscover loops on interval until network-manager restart" [Low,Triaged]11:14
lotuspsychjethere, updated11:14
lotuspsychjeim curious what they will answer11:15
ducasseme too. odd that they ask end-users to compile upstream sources, when canonical is all 'linux for human beings'...11:20
lotuspsychjeducasse: this is just why so many bugs returning across newer releases11:21
ducassemight well be true. imo xenial has been particularly bad, though.11:22
lotuspsychjei understand the opensource thinking, everyone can help bug out11:22
lotuspsychjebut if the bug is known...11:22
lotuspsychjeand a newer network-manager exists11:23
ducassei agree with you, but xenial is an lts. they won't just update the whole package, they must backport the fixes, and that takes effort.11:26
ducasseso it would need to come as a backport.11:28
pauljwHi everyone11:28
ducassegood afternoon :)11:29
pauljwhi ducasse :)11:29
BluesKajhi pauljw , again :-)11:30
pauljw:D11:30
lotuspsychjehi pauljw11:34
pauljwhi lotuspsychje11:34
ducasselotuspsychje: if you could rebuild the xenial nm package with the patch, i am sure they would be more inclined to put it in -proposed...11:38
ducassejust a suggestion, though.11:38
lotuspsychjeducasse: im not gonna shoot you as messenger11:39
lotuspsychjebut i really dislike this situation11:39
ducassei agree, i'm just saying that it would help. :)11:41
lotuspsychjeill play the game the way around, and find some other users to file the same bug11:41
lotuspsychjeim bit principle in this11:42
ducassethe more users that comment on a bug and make noise, the better the odds.11:42
lotuspsychjeducasse: thats just what i mean, the more money politics get, the faster solutions come11:42
ducassei found a really obscure libvirt bug that was hard to trigger once, and it got fixed in two days.11:42
ducasseso there is hope.11:43
lotuspsychjeyeah11:43
ducasselinux is also dependent on users pitching in and help fixing things. that's just the nature of how it's supposed to work.11:45
ducassei'm not critisizing you here, i'm just saying that's how free software is built.11:45
lotuspsychjeducasse: yeah i understand this, but if the solution is known and a newer package that solves exist..11:45
lotuspsychjeits like not wanting to solve then, in my opinion11:46
ducasse...then somebody needs to build a package. who should do that if the distribution people have more important things to do?11:46
lotuspsychjewhats important and what not?11:47
lotuspsychjeif i find 10 other users for this bug, its gets more important?11:47
ducassebut in principle i agree. canonical is responsible for shipping stable packages.11:47
ducasseit probably would, but most users can't be bothered to file or comment on bugs.11:47
lotuspsychjeducasse: the same goes for the ubuntu phone now11:48
ducasseand that's a shame.11:48
lotuspsychjeducasse: canonical came with ota10 with a nasty bug11:48
lotuspsychjeand all phone users were affected11:48
lotuspsychjethey had to release ota10.111:48
BluesKajok , just saw your post about the BCM 4313 bug , which i also had on my lenovo laptop, but has since disappeared11:48
lotuspsychjethe phone users isnt suppose to fix himself right?11:48
lotuspsychjeBluesKaj: since what?11:49
BluesKajnot sure lotuspsychje , maybe an upgrade to nm  or it could be the new 4.6 kernel , not sure which came first11:50
lotuspsychjeducasse: or perhaps i should see this in a bigger picture until 16.04.111:50
ducassemaybe, lotuspsychje. i sincerely hope .1 will clean things up...11:51
lotuspsychjewe are not really doing it the LTS way right now, greedy xenial testing :p11:51
ducasseyou could say that, yes :)11:53
lotuspsychjeplus, network-manager is real basic stuff the user needs11:53
ducasseabsolutely, but how many users are affected? i only saw comments from you in the report, nobody else.11:53
ducasseusers _need_ to comment to get things fixed.11:54
lotuspsychjeyep i know11:54
lotuspsychjeill find some11:55
ducasseif you hear others have the same problem, *insist* that they comment, if only they write "i'm also affected". it really helps.11:55
lotuspsychjeill do11:56
lotuspsychjeducasse: but ive seen variants of all kind to network problems on xenial11:56
lotuspsychjenot always easy to define11:56
ducassethat's the best advice i can give, i'm afraid.11:56
ducassexenial has had it's share of problems, i think it's the most buggy release in a long time.11:57
lotuspsychjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/19035911:58
ubot5`Launchpad bug 190359 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu) "dhclient continually seeks ip address on unconnected interface" [Low,Confirmed]11:58
lotuspsychjea 2008 bug with same symptons11:58
ducasselotuspsychje: did i tell you i got the note added to the zfs wiki page about zfs on /?11:59
lotuspsychjenot yet?12:00
ducasseso it's documented and easy to find now :)12:00
lotuspsychjenice one12:00
ducassehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS - at the top.12:01
ducassehave you looked at the xenial server guide? it's really good.12:03
lotuspsychjelets c12:04
lotuspsychjeducasse: wow thats a nice one!12:05
lotuspsychjehi there Switches12:05
lotuspsychje!zfs12:06
ubot5`For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS12:06
lotuspsychjeducasse: great work!12:07
ducassezfs for all the things! :)12:07
lotuspsychje:p12:08
lotuspsychjecoffeetime :p12:14
ducasseteatime :)12:14
pauljwnice work on the zfs page12:20
pauljwnow i need to go buy 18 disks... :(12:20
BluesKajhmm, looks like dual booting would be difficult with no partiitons or how does ZFS handle more than one OS?12:21
BluesKajlooks like it's meant mostly for servers12:21
pauljwi'm thinking it's best for data12:21
ducasseBluesKaj: in that case you would create partitions.12:22
ducassepersonally, i use btrfs for / and zfs for everything else, including /home. it's just so nice :)12:22
\9what's so nice about this zfs?12:23
BluesKajducasse, from my reading it idoesn't have partitioning options12:24
ducasseBluesKaj: just create partitions like you normally would, then make a zpool on the one you want to use for zfs.12:24
\9oh, reliable data12:25
ducasse\9: data integrity, raidz, snapshots, zvols, etc.12:25
BluesKajducasse, so you wouldn't use zfs for / , just /home ?12:26
ducasseBluesKaj: no, it's currently to bothersome to install. it would be nice, i just don't care enough as btrfs is a good substitute for me.12:27
BluesKajguess my understanding of zfs is beyond my scope :-) , looks like it's overkill or not really suitable for ordinary home user systems12:28
ducasseBluesKaj: all i want for / is snapshots and the ability to rollback. nice if installing or updating something breaks something else.12:29
ducasseonly my server has zfs, plus /home on my desktop. in other places i usually wouldn't bother.12:30
BluesKajright, thanks for the info ducasse12:30
ducassenp. i really hope btrfs becomes stable soon, though, as it would be nice to use instead of ext4.12:31
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BluesKajlotsa newnick action here14:06
OerHeksor old nicks in a fresh springjacket14:08
nicomachuseveryone loves a fresh outfit for the spring14:10
OerHekstrue, last sunday i sold a lot of old stuff on the fleamarket, but bought 5 fresh new shirts, cotton, nice colours and €2/piece :-D14:12
OerHeksre-waxed my leather coat, to store till winter14:13
pauljwbiab14:14
nicomachuswaxed...?14:16
OerHeksnot sure it is wax, it is a leather protection wash14:17
OerHekshttp://www.urad.com/history.cfm14:20
OerHeksthat wax is as old as me :-D14:20
lotuspsychjedax: ducasse has arranged a subcategory for the !zfs trigger https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS via the wiki team16:28
Bashing-omOerHeks: Are you where you can pick up on MrSanderson with a network-manager DNS issue ? Me no GUI experience to know.21:10
OerHeksnow he can ping, not sure what is going on21:13
OerHeksmaybe a lease on the mac adress from that same machine/windows ..21:14
OerHeks:-D21:14
Bashing-omOerHeks: Last I was aware .. could not resolve ubuntu.com . As able to ping 8.8.8.8 .. indicates a DNS issue (resolv.conf) but I know not how to set it in a GUI .21:17
OerHekswhy don't i run in all those issues :-D21:18
OerHeksoh i have one, some musicfiles will not play, wma21:19
OerHeksHow about adding #ubuntu-discuss to the !ot factoid ??21:22
Bashing-omOerHeks: Well ,, in the day, before I learned NOT to break the system . I did learn the hard way . Break it, fix it . Oh What fun.21:22
OerHeksIt still is, i guess21:23
OerHeksone cannot damage hardware easily21:23
IcAnuthey sent me here21:24
tgm4883OerHeks: I disagree, a hammer is pretty easy to damage hardware21:24
IcAnuso they think I'm a hammer?21:25
IcAnu(lumb)21:25
Bashing-omtgm4883: But the action words are " learned not to " . Use a hammer in a repsonsible manner :)21:26
OerHeksbend the motherboard before install21:27
Bashing-omOerHeks: OH yes, If it does not fit, bend it ! Now one is in for a real learning experience .21:31
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Bashing-omso much for helpong LUR23:15
Bashing-omhelping*23:15
OerHekshis parents are proud yes23:18
Bashing-omrecon he will live long enough to learn ?23:19
OerHeksstill haven't found the answer if 16.04 supports 8" shugart drives23:19
OerHeksyay, http://www.wired.com/2016/05/google-doesnt-owe-oracle-cent-using-java-android-jury-finds/23:31
Bashing-omreading !23:35
Bashing-omAnother ^ giant step forward in promoting open source / IMO .23:40

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