[03:10] <baizon>  https://imgur.com/a/5MIK9
[03:13] <daftykins> just got linked to that
[03:13] <daftykins> unclear if it's even an employee
[03:15] <EriC^^> :D
[03:15] <EriC^^> no way
[03:16] <daftykins> https://imgur.com/r/funny/pEaLg2O
[03:17] <EriC^^> :D
[03:19] <pauljw> unbelievable :)
[03:20] <pauljw> bedtime for Bonzo...  gnite.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:47] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> hey baizon
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^
[03:47] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> hi Bashing-om :p
[03:47] <EriC^^> morning
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: im hired for a new job
[03:47] <EriC^^> awesome
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: its part time for preparing meals in kitchen
[03:48] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so ill be starting business pretty soon now as sidejob
[03:49] <EriC^^> cool
[03:49] <EriC^^> that's awesome man
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[03:51] <EriC^^> if only i lived next to you
[03:51] <EriC^^> free meals every day for me
[03:51] <Bashing-om> hello lotuspsychje .. great ya here . with tht side job .. we not see as much of ya ... Pooo .
[03:51] <EriC^^> *DROOL*
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: yeah a little less irc for me, but im never gonna leave :p
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: haha, there are stores around the globe where ill start
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: http://www.lepainquotidien.com/landing/international/#.V0ZzI55b8l8
[03:53] <EriC^^> you will be traveling?
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> no
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> a new stores opens at 10min from my door imagine
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> i can walk to it
[03:54] <EriC^^> cool
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> https://opensource.com/life/16/5/open-source-hardware-certification-oshwa
[04:07] <daftykins> o hai \o
[04:07] <Bashing-om> good deal ^^ .. let us hope it flys high !
[04:07] <daftykins> :D
[04:07] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: congrats \o/
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins, tnx :p
[04:08] <daftykins> also mines an english breakfast ;D
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> i dont think they server continental
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> most stuff will be biologic
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> beans in tomate sauce i think they dont have
[04:09] <daftykins> d'aww
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> :p
[04:10] <daftykins> hey lotus do you like fudge?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: are you kidney lover too?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> what fudge?
[04:10] <daftykins> http://images.media-allrecipes.com/userphotos/720x405/150611.jpg
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[04:10] <daftykins> sorta normal that type :>
[04:10] <daftykins> cream fudge i suppose o0
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> is that chocolat or meat, never seen it
[04:11] <daftykins> creamy baised, so dairy
[04:12] <Switches> It's fudge! wonderful tasty vanilla fudge! *drools*
[04:12] <daftykins> :>
[04:12] <lotuspsychje> mmm sounds delicious on wiki
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> never tasted that before
[04:13] <daftykins> :O even better
[04:13] <daftykins> it's my plan to send you a box of Guernsey fudge :P
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> cool
[04:13]  * lotuspsychje hopes those bloody rams work haha
[04:13] <daftykins> XD
[04:13]  * Bashing-om drooling too ... how long before we see it in the IRC pantry ?
[04:13] <daftykins> apt get install fudge
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> haha
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> installing in stomac.......done 100%
[04:16] <daftykins> or maybe
[04:16] <daftykins> mv /home/daftykins/fudge ../lotus/
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> yeah to my home
[04:16] <daftykins> ja :D
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> local specialities are awesome
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> for us its: wafles,french fries,chocolat,chicory and asperges
[04:19] <daftykins> :O
[06:10] <EriC^^> i make a mean smoothie
[06:10] <EriC^^> sometimes i experiment with food in the kitchen
[06:11] <daftykins> :D
[06:11] <EriC^^> powdered milk + sugar + water + i dont know the name of it it's rimmein in lebanese
[06:11] <daftykins> i'm lazy when it comes to food :P
[06:11] <EriC^^> in the blender it's really tasty
[06:12] <EriC^^> i was out of that rimmein thing once so i tried putting a frozen icecream strawberry and another blackberry too
[06:12] <EriC^^> tasted great very fluffy and stuff
[06:12] <EriC^^> once i didn't have icecream either so i tried jello and it was good too
[06:13] <EriC^^> anyways also when it's done i put maltesers in it sometimes and put whip cream at the top and hershey's chocolate syrup over it
[06:16] <daftykins> XD
[06:16] <daftykins> what's the biggest fail you've had?
[06:17] <EriC^^> hmm i tried making lemon tarts once and it was pretty disgusting
[06:17] <daftykins> d'aww
[06:18] <EriC^^> i tried putting oreos in that smoothie yesterday and also turning them around in it, it sucked
[06:20] <EriC^^> it was very thick and stuff
[06:20] <daftykins> :S
[06:21] <EriC^^> let me get the name of that rimmein thing
[06:21] <daftykins> definitely sounds interesting that one
[06:21] <daftykins> i'm trying to imagine what would happen if i added water and sugar to milk
[06:21] <EriC^^> grenadine
[06:21] <EriC^^> nah it's powdered milk
[06:22] <daftykins> ah
[06:22] <EriC^^> it's like milk in a bag that you add water to
[06:22] <EriC^^> yeah
[06:22] <EriC^^> you can use normal milk + some sugar i guess
[06:23] <EriC^^> i tried with rose btw but i didn't taste good, also cherry's (actual ones) sucked
[06:23] <EriC^^> peach icecream wasted ok
[06:23] <EriC^^> *tasted
[06:23] <EriC^^> not that nice though, it's good for if there isn't something else maybe
[06:25] <daftykins> XD
[06:28] <EriC^^> those new 360 cameras seem pretty decent
[06:28] <EriC^^> they're like $400
[06:28] <daftykins> oof
[06:28] <EriC^^> $400 is cheap
[06:29] <daftykins> for that kinda thing i suppose, is it one with loads of cameras in a frame?
[06:29] <EriC^^> no it's just a rectangular box, like a phone almost with 2 cameras on each side
[06:30] <EriC^^> there's a more pro one that's a sphere with a zillion cameras on it
[06:30] <EriC^^> there's even one that costs $60,000 O.o
[06:30] <EriC^^> a really nice camera is a canon dslr 80d
[06:30] <daftykins> i could get every islander to throw in £1
[06:30] <daftykins> that'd pay for it
[06:30] <EriC^^> to take pics and videos and stuff
[06:31] <EriC^^> $1200
[06:31] <EriC^^> the pics are really clear though not like the iphone pics seem very dark and stuff
[06:31] <EriC^^> which camera did you use to take the pics you showed us once?
[06:33] <daftykins> just my Nexus 5 of late
[06:33] <daftykins> smartphone pics do suffer a lot yeah, i've never really been into cameras though
[06:35] <EriC^^> the pics looked good though
[06:35] <ducasse> morning, all
[06:35] <EriC^^> morning ducasse :)
[06:36] <daftykins> \o
[06:36] <daftykins> i'm watching bad karaoke
[06:36] <daftykins> www.twitch.tv/ezekiel_iii
[06:36] <EriC^^> me neither i've only ever used cameras for taking videos/pics of cars :D i feel like buying a camera though to take pics of the sunset and stuff like that and maybe do time lapses for fun
[06:39] <ducasse> wow, that's pretty bad daftykins :)
[06:39] <daftykins> :D
[06:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/deeimq9wv25n2so/IMG_20160504_123453.jpg?dl=0
[06:40] <daftykins> all them pixels
[06:41] <EriC^^> nice
[06:41] <daftykins> it's good in great light, but rubbish in low
[06:42] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xq0f1id92py7cu0/VID_20160525_003953.mp4?dl=0
[06:42] <daftykins> that believe it or not is 1080p video in low light
[06:43] <EriC^^> wow
[06:43] <daftykins> potato++
[06:43] <EriC^^> lol
[06:44] <daftykins> we lost Bashing to the land of nod
[06:44] <EriC^^> hehe
[06:44] <EriC^^> it's amazing he's still on at this time
[06:44] <daftykins> :>
[06:44] <daftykins> dedication++
[06:45] <EriC^^> i feel like strapping a 360camera on the top of my car
[06:45] <EriC^^> and cruising around lebanon, people can see the view all around
[06:45] <daftykins> do it :D
[06:45] <EriC^^> also i can race people and film the races in 360
[06:45] <daftykins> hey did you go for a drive with a normal camera yet?
[06:46] <daftykins> haha they do street racing there? :)
[06:46] <EriC^^> i tried my iphone strapped to the passenger side headset haha
[06:46] <EriC^^> yeah they race a lot here and there are no laws and stuff nobody cares
[06:46] <daftykins> O_O
[06:46] <EriC^^> the iphone was pretty ok, i could adjust the camera with the headset
[06:47] <EriC^^> i raced some porsche carrera, dunno exactly what, and also a nissan 350z the porsche was pulling away though
[06:48] <EriC^^> my car seems to stutter at like 5000rpm or so, i haven't changed the fuel filter in 10 years and it probably needs a lot of other stuff :D
[06:48] <daftykins> oof
[06:48] <EriC^^> in it's best shape it's around 340bhp with no turbo's on a 1300kg chassis
[06:48] <daftykins> it's angry at you
[06:48] <EriC^^> lol yeah
[06:48] <daftykins> "eric y u do dis to meeeee?!"
[06:49] <daftykins> (i decided it has an accent)
[06:49] <EriC^^> i just remove my foot off the pedal and then stomp it again, and scream wtf!
[06:49] <EriC^^> lol
[06:50] <EriC^^> lol terminator accent :P
[06:50] <EriC^^> well, it is a german car :P
[06:50] <daftykins> XD
[06:51] <daftykins> "Ja Eric vee race now"
[06:51] <EriC^^> lol
[06:52] <daftykins> maybe we can ask oerheks to do a german accent through your phone during the recordings
[06:53] <EriC^^> lol
[06:53] <EriC^^> we can just dub him in later
[06:53] <daftykins> ah that's true
[06:53] <EriC^^> xD
[06:53] <daftykins> but i was thinking you could have some banter
[06:54] <daftykins> "come on car, turbo!"
[06:54] <daftykins> "ich kann nicht, eric!"
[07:00] <EriC^^> lol
[07:01] <EriC^^> :D
[07:01] <EriC^^> ich kann nicht means i can't do it?
[07:01] <daftykins> yep :D well, roughly
[07:01] <daftykins> i haven't done German since school XD
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> breakfast :p
[07:04] <daftykins> where's ours :(
[07:09] <EriC^> got dc
[07:10] <EriC^> awesome doing some nachoz sauce in a few using cheddar cheese, i tried this once it was AWESOME
[07:10] <EriC^> i need butter though :/
[07:10] <EriC^> hmm some recipes dont say you need butter and flour with it and milk
[07:11] <ducasse> any of you good with hardware? i need a new cooler for my cpu, should i go with liquid or air?
[07:12] <daftykins> closed loop liquid coolers strike me as just moving the fans elsewhere
[07:12] <daftykins> what are you running CPU wise?
[07:12] <ducasse> i7 4790k
[07:12] <daftykins> and where in the world are you?
[07:12] <ducasse> norway
[07:13] <EriC^> carmen sandiego
[07:13] <EriC^> is that you?
[07:13] <ducasse> :)
[07:13] <EriC^> :)
[07:13] <daftykins> if there's no budget, Noctua NH-D15s remain top it seems, but there's some really cheap effective one somewhere
[07:14] <daftykins> http://www.techspot.com/products/cooling/cryorig-h7-universal.114339/
[07:14] <daftykins> this thing is some crazy cheap choice
[07:14] <ducasse> it runs a bit hot under load with the stock cooler, so i want to swap it with something better. the problem with the dh-15 is that it takes up so much space and blocks things.
[07:15] <daftykins> sure can
[07:15] <daftykins> always gotta read into those mobo compatibility lists
[07:16] <ducasse> yes, i guess i'll check what my usual place has in stock. so you mean liquid isn't worth it?
[07:17] <daftykins> they seem very expensive to me, since they're fixed you have to find a way to mount the radiators inside the case too
[07:18] <ducasse> there are two places inside the case designed for radiators, so that's not a problem.
[07:20] <EriC^> that fan looks pretty decent, the surface area is huge it seems and the fan blades have a curve designed into them even, hehe
[07:20] <EriC^> the site makes my pc heat up btw :P 100% firefox usage xD
[07:20] <daftykins> XD
[07:21] <daftykins> heatsink reviews in processor cooking shocker
[07:21] <daftykins> nice 25 deg C idle average across my i7-6700 right now \o/
[07:22] <EriC^> wow that's pretty low
[07:22] <EriC^> cpu's dont have efficiency temps do they?
[07:22] <ducasse> that's about what my i7 gets at regular use, but if i encode video it goes up to 80°C.
[07:24] <daftykins> like a minimum heat to run well, you mean?
[07:25] <EriC^> yeah like at this temp it runs better
[07:25] <daftykins> ducasse: mmm i just put this one together, it's probably helping that i don't use the on-die graphics... but i was thinking about making use of it so i can stream games on twitch with the quicksync intel tech to convert the video :D
[07:25] <daftykins> i might have to add a better heatsink later, but i like running stock so far
[07:26] <daftykins> EriC^: i don't think so, i know major overclockers used to have issues with some chips that didn't like being below 0
[07:27] <ducasse> EriC^: a cpu will throttle if it gets too hot, i believe.
[07:28] <EriC^> yeah mine was doing that yesterday
[07:28] <EriC^> just while using openshot
[07:28] <EriC^> 92'c +
[07:28] <daftykins> D:
[07:29] <daftykins> are you cooling it with a toaster?
[07:29] <EriC^> the editing software in linux is kind of lacking, openshot is nice but you can't put a slowmotion effect or speed up in the videos, kdenlive can but you lose the audio :/
[07:30] <EriC^> lol
[07:30] <daftykins> O_O
[07:30] <daftykins> those are quite the dealbreakers
[07:31] <EriC^> yeah indeed
[07:32] <ducasse> daftykins: there's no software for linux that can use quicksync to encode, is there? all i found was that intel media server package for $5000
[07:33] <daftykins> handbrake had experimental support, but i run Windows
[07:33] <daftykins> funky features work here (:
[07:34] <ducasse> i'm not going to install windows just for that :)
[07:34] <daftykins> i saw the feature in the broadcasting software OBS
[07:35] <ducasse> yes, i noticed that, but didn't really want to mess with it.
[07:36] <ducasse> hmmm, corsair hydro h75 looks interesting. good reviews too.
[07:37] <daftykins> i'm still waiting impatiently to pick a new graphics card to complete my new build \o/
[07:37] <ducasse> what did you get?
[07:37] <ducasse> congrats, btw :)
[07:39] <daftykins> hehe thanks, first new desktop since December 2007
[07:39] <daftykins> not ordering anything yet, just threw the 560Ti 2GB in my new build for now
[07:39] <daftykins> i'm not quite sure how my system boots in EFI happily since the card lacks an EFI GOP capable BIOS
[07:40] <ducasse> i bought my desktop last summer, because i got a lot of money back from taxes. spent way too much on it :)
[07:40] <daftykins> :D
[07:41] <daftykins> i only had to drop £600 to get a new case, motherboard, M.2 SSD, i7 6700 and 32GB RAM
[07:42] <daftykins> bit of a blurry pic - https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkbx3vbk4wu3e3w/IMG_20160421_223946.jpg?dl=0
[07:42] <ducasse> i spent more than that, but got a pretty similar system. hardware is expensive here.
[07:43] <ducasse> hey, i've got the exact same psu! :)
[07:43] <daftykins> D:
[07:43] <daftykins> 5 years old and still going strong - i reused that and the graphics card from my old build
[07:44] <ducasse> fractal design case?
[07:49] <ducasse> i thought about getting discrete graphics, but it's just so nice to run intel. no driver hassle, and it just works™. all i need is multiple hd outputs.
[07:49] <daftykins> Antec P280
[07:49] <daftykins> :) i'm going to step up the gaming again, so it's a no-brainer
[07:49] <daftykins> my 5 year old card gets 18fps in the new Hitman
[07:51] <ducasse> i haven't really gamed in many years. been thinking of getting a cheap controller just to play some old amiga classics, but it's not something i care deeply about any more.
[07:52] <daftykins> *nod*
[07:52] <ducasse> i almost flunked out of school due to civilization, though. :)
[07:52] <daftykins> i chose a bad time, new stuff is only just getting announced so i get to wait XD
[07:53] <daftykins> Computex on the 31st, E3 on the ~8th
[07:55] <ducasse> i bought my desktop just as skylake had come out, but there were so many problems back then that i didn't want to deal with. there's *always* the next big thing right around the corner.
[07:55] <daftykins> *nod*
[07:56] <daftykins> the graphics thing is pretty huge right now though, first process move in 5 years... 28nm -> 14/16nm
[07:56] <daftykins> makes for nice efficient kit
[07:56] <ducasse> the whole vr thing is interesting, though. wonder if it will take off this time. i think it's too expensive still.
[07:57] <daftykins> definitely too early, it's gimmick status until proven to me
[07:57] <daftykins> 3D i laughed at for a long time and sure enough it seems to have flopped
[07:58] <ducasse> visitor. bbl.
[09:24] <darthmaul> anyone ?
[09:34] <daftykins> well that was an excellent show of patience
[09:34] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[09:46] <EriC^> they could probably make some really cool VR game
[09:46] <EriC^> you put on VR glasses, and you stand on sort of like that gym walker thingy
[09:47] <EriC^> and when you walk the guy walks and when you run he runs, and jump he jumps
[09:47] <EriC^> lol
[09:49] <EriC^> i think there already are!
[09:50] <EriC^> minus the gym walker thing
[10:11] <ducasse> wow, that took forever. back now. vr could be interesting to play with, but i think at needs a few more years...
[10:24] <EriC^> we should make a program that's like ppa-purge but uses links, would be useful
[10:26] <ducasse> you mean, feed it the url to the repo and it does what ppa-purge does?
[10:26] <EriC^> yeah
[10:27] <EriC^> what would that be though, get the list of programs installed from that ppa
[10:27] <ducasse> shouldn't be too hard, all you need to do is compare the package list to installed packages, and remove them.
[10:28] <EriC^> then remove them, remove the ppa from the cache, and install older versions of the packages
[10:29] <EriC^> yeah probably there might be some programs installed like a .deb or so that depend on some of those too though, so maybe list the stuff that depends on them, and check if it'll still work without the ppa and warn they'll be totally removed if they continue
[10:29] <EriC^> like somebody using some ppa to get some program that's just a dependent for some .deb he wanted to install
[10:31] <EriC^> so get the stuff that depends on the ppa programs, check if the programs will still work once it's removed and normal packages installed, if it requires the ppa's version then say they'll be removed and whether to continue or not
[10:31] <ducasse> something like that, yes.
[10:33] <ducasse> i doubt i know python well enough to make something decent, but it would be a great learning project.
[10:33] <EriC^> why not bash?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[10:34] <ducasse> sure.
[10:34] <ducasse> afternoon, lotus!
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> hi ducasse
[10:35] <EriC^> afternoon lotuspsychje
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager
[10:41] <ubot5`> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.93-0ubuntu4 (xenial), package size 2064 kB, installed size 10744 kB (Only available for linux-any)
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1583114
[10:49] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1583114 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Dhcpdiscover loops on interval until network-manager restart" [Low,Triaged]
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> i have to compile a higher network-manager myself?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> if its a known unstream issue, why dont they patch it?
[10:53] <ducasse> if there's a patch, can't you apply it and build the package?
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah, but i dont understand if its known why dont they implement this in updates?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ive seen so many users suffer this wifi/eth icon bug already on xenial
[10:56] <ducasse> sure, i get your point. it must be on someone's todo list, but it's got priority 'low'.
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> bah
[10:57] <ducasse> besides, network manager is ritually unclean ;)
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> if this happens to john doe user..you we cant possibly imagine they have to do all the work themselfs on bugs
[10:59] <ducasse> that is very true.
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> especially when they found the problem causing it
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> im not gonna follow up this bug anymore
[11:00] <ducasse> i think they're a little overwhelmed by bugs after xenial release...
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: if they find a security issue it get patched right away right
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: they should find an automatic system the same way for average bugs aswell
[11:03] <ducasse> they usually get top priority.
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:07] <ducasse> tbh, if a bug can be worked around by restarting a program, i guess the 'low' priority is pretty fair. the fix will probably be included with another update.
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> ill wait the next update then
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> ill play john doe
[11:08] <ducasse> :)
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> !info network-manager yakkety
[11:08] <ubot5`> network-manager (source: network-manager): network management framework (daemon and userspace tools). In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.2-0ubuntu1 (yakkety), package size 2008 kB, installed size 10752 kB (Only available for linux-any)
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> so....
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> this is the version that fix
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> why cant xenial get it
[11:09] <ducasse> backport, maybe?
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, ill wait the official way :p
[11:10] <BluesKaj> HI lotuspsychje
[11:10] <ducasse> i meant you could ask for one :)
[11:10] <ducasse> hi, BluesKaj :)
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> ah
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[11:11] <BluesKaj> finally some needed rain here, it's been extremely dry ... lots of forest fires in our area
[11:12] <ducasse> we finally have nice weather, after a week of rain :)
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1583114
[11:14] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1583114 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Dhcpdiscover loops on interval until network-manager restart" [Low,Triaged]
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> there, updated
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> im curious what they will answer
[11:20] <ducasse> me too. odd that they ask end-users to compile upstream sources, when canonical is all 'linux for human beings'...
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: this is just why so many bugs returning across newer releases
[11:22] <ducasse> might well be true. imo xenial has been particularly bad, though.
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> i understand the opensource thinking, everyone can help bug out
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> but if the bug is known...
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> and a newer network-manager exists
[11:26] <ducasse> i agree with you, but xenial is an lts. they won't just update the whole package, they must backport the fixes, and that takes effort.
[11:28] <ducasse> so it would need to come as a backport.
[11:28] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[11:29] <ducasse> good afternoon :)
[11:29] <pauljw> hi ducasse :)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw , again :-)
[11:30] <pauljw> :D
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> hi pauljw
[11:34] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[11:38] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: if you could rebuild the xenial nm package with the patch, i am sure they would be more inclined to put it in -proposed...
[11:38] <ducasse> just a suggestion, though.
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: im not gonna shoot you as messenger
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> but i really dislike this situation
[11:41] <ducasse> i agree, i'm just saying that it would help. :)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> ill play the game the way around, and find some other users to file the same bug
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> im bit principle in this
[11:42] <ducasse> the more users that comment on a bug and make noise, the better the odds.
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: thats just what i mean, the more money politics get, the faster solutions come
[11:42] <ducasse> i found a really obscure libvirt bug that was hard to trigger once, and it got fixed in two days.
[11:43] <ducasse> so there is hope.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:45] <ducasse> linux is also dependent on users pitching in and help fixing things. that's just the nature of how it's supposed to work.
[11:45] <ducasse> i'm not critisizing you here, i'm just saying that's how free software is built.
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: yeah i understand this, but if the solution is known and a newer package that solves exist..
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> its like not wanting to solve then, in my opinion
[11:46] <ducasse> ...then somebody needs to build a package. who should do that if the distribution people have more important things to do?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> whats important and what not?
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> if i find 10 other users for this bug, its gets more important?
[11:47] <ducasse> but in principle i agree. canonical is responsible for shipping stable packages.
[11:47] <ducasse> it probably would, but most users can't be bothered to file or comment on bugs.
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: the same goes for the ubuntu phone now
[11:48] <ducasse> and that's a shame.
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: canonical came with ota10 with a nasty bug
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> and all phone users were affected
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> they had to release ota10.1
[11:48] <BluesKaj> ok , just saw your post about the BCM 4313 bug , which i also had on my lenovo laptop, but has since disappeared
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> the phone users isnt suppose to fix himself right?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: since what?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> not sure lotuspsychje , maybe an upgrade to nm  or it could be the new 4.6 kernel , not sure which came first
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: or perhaps i should see this in a bigger picture until 16.04.1
[11:51] <ducasse> maybe, lotuspsychje. i sincerely hope .1 will clean things up...
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> we are not really doing it the LTS way right now, greedy xenial testing :p
[11:53] <ducasse> you could say that, yes :)
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> plus, network-manager is real basic stuff the user needs
[11:53] <ducasse> absolutely, but how many users are affected? i only saw comments from you in the report, nobody else.
[11:54] <ducasse> users _need_ to comment to get things fixed.
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> yep i know
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> ill find some
[11:55] <ducasse> if you hear others have the same problem, *insist* that they comment, if only they write "i'm also affected". it really helps.
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> ill do
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but ive seen variants of all kind to network problems on xenial
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> not always easy to define
[11:56] <ducasse> that's the best advice i can give, i'm afraid.
[11:57] <ducasse> xenial has had it's share of problems, i think it's the most buggy release in a long time.
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/190359
[11:58] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 190359 in dhcp3 (Ubuntu) "dhclient continually seeks ip address on unconnected interface" [Low,Confirmed]
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> a 2008 bug with same symptons
[11:59] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: did i tell you i got the note added to the zfs wiki page about zfs on /?
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> not yet?
[12:00] <ducasse> so it's documented and easy to find now :)
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[12:01] <ducasse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS - at the top.
[12:03] <ducasse> have you looked at the xenial server guide? it's really good.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wow thats a nice one!
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> hi there Switches
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> !zfs
[12:06] <ubot5`> For information concerning ZFS and Ubuntu, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: great work!
[12:07] <ducasse> zfs for all the things! :)
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> coffeetime :p
[12:14] <ducasse> teatime :)
[12:20] <pauljw> nice work on the zfs page
[12:20] <pauljw> now i need to go buy 18 disks... :(
[12:21] <BluesKaj> hmm, looks like dual booting would be difficult with no partiitons or how does ZFS handle more than one OS?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> looks like it's meant mostly for servers
[12:21] <pauljw> i'm thinking it's best for data
[12:22] <ducasse> BluesKaj: in that case you would create partitions.
[12:22] <ducasse> personally, i use btrfs for / and zfs for everything else, including /home. it's just so nice :)
[12:23] <\9> what's so nice about this zfs?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> ducasse, from my reading it idoesn't have partitioning options
[12:24] <ducasse> BluesKaj: just create partitions like you normally would, then make a zpool on the one you want to use for zfs.
[12:25] <\9> oh, reliable data
[12:25] <ducasse> \9: data integrity, raidz, snapshots, zvols, etc.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> ducasse, so you wouldn't use zfs for / , just /home ?
[12:27] <ducasse> BluesKaj: no, it's currently to bothersome to install. it would be nice, i just don't care enough as btrfs is a good substitute for me.
[12:28] <BluesKaj> guess my understanding of zfs is beyond my scope :-) , looks like it's overkill or not really suitable for ordinary home user systems
[12:29] <ducasse> BluesKaj: all i want for / is snapshots and the ability to rollback. nice if installing or updating something breaks something else.
[12:30] <ducasse> only my server has zfs, plus /home on my desktop. in other places i usually wouldn't bother.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> right, thanks for the info ducasse
[12:31] <ducasse> np. i really hope btrfs becomes stable soon, though, as it would be nice to use instead of ext4.
[14:06] <BluesKaj> lotsa newnick action here
[14:08] <OerHeks> or old nicks in a fresh springjacket
[14:10] <nicomachus> everyone loves a fresh outfit for the spring
[14:12] <OerHeks> true, last sunday i sold a lot of old stuff on the fleamarket, but bought 5 fresh new shirts, cotton, nice colours and €2/piece :-D
[14:13] <OerHeks> re-waxed my leather coat, to store till winter
[14:14] <pauljw> biab
[14:16] <nicomachus> waxed...?
[14:17] <OerHeks> not sure it is wax, it is a leather protection wash
[14:20] <OerHeks> http://www.urad.com/history.cfm
[14:20] <OerHeks> that wax is as old as me :-D
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> dax: ducasse has arranged a subcategory for the !zfs trigger https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS via the wiki team
[21:10] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Are you where you can pick up on MrSanderson with a network-manager DNS issue ? Me no GUI experience to know.
[21:13] <OerHeks> now he can ping, not sure what is going on
[21:14] <OerHeks> maybe a lease on the mac adress from that same machine/windows ..
[21:14] <OerHeks> :-D
[21:17] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Last I was aware .. could not resolve ubuntu.com . As able to ping 8.8.8.8 .. indicates a DNS issue (resolv.conf) but I know not how to set it in a GUI .
[21:18] <OerHeks> why don't i run in all those issues :-D
[21:19] <OerHeks> oh i have one, some musicfiles will not play, wma
[21:22] <OerHeks> How about adding #ubuntu-discuss to the !ot factoid ??
[21:22] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Well ,, in the day, before I learned NOT to break the system . I did learn the hard way . Break it, fix it . Oh What fun.
[21:23] <OerHeks> It still is, i guess
[21:23] <OerHeks> one cannot damage hardware easily
[21:24] <IcAnu> they sent me here
[21:24] <tgm4883> OerHeks: I disagree, a hammer is pretty easy to damage hardware
[21:25] <IcAnu> so they think I'm a hammer?
[21:25] <IcAnu> (lumb)
[21:26] <Bashing-om> tgm4883: But the action words are " learned not to " . Use a hammer in a repsonsible manner :)
[21:27] <OerHeks> bend the motherboard before install
[21:31] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: OH yes, If it does not fit, bend it ! Now one is in for a real learning experience .
[21:45] <EriC^^> ducasse: you there?
[23:15] <Bashing-om> so much for helpong LUR
[23:15] <Bashing-om> helping*
[23:18] <OerHeks> his parents are proud yes
[23:19] <Bashing-om> recon he will live long enough to learn ?
[23:19] <OerHeks> still haven't found the answer if 16.04 supports 8" shugart drives
[23:31] <OerHeks> yay, http://www.wired.com/2016/05/google-doesnt-owe-oracle-cent-using-java-android-jury-finds/
[23:35] <Bashing-om> reading !
[23:40] <Bashing-om> Another ^ giant step forward in promoting open source / IMO .