[06:58] <amazoniantoad> Where can I download ubuntu touch? Does it turn into a full desktop when connected to a mouse/keyboard?
[08:17] <moritz311> hey guys :)
[08:27] <popey> morphis: :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/aethercast/+bug/1585933
[08:27] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1585933 in aethercast "aethercast no longer connects" [Undecided,New]
[08:28] <morphis> popey: thanks but is a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/aethercast/+bug/1574444
[08:28] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1574444 in Canonical System Image "wpa_supplicant claims P2P support is not available" [Critical,In progress]
[08:29] <morphis> popey: simply reboot
[08:33] <popey> i have rebooted
[08:33] <popey> (I said that in the bug) :)
[08:36] <popey> many reboots later... it connects
[08:56] <morphis> popey: hm, looks like I was a bit too was in saying its a duplicate
[08:56] <morphis> popey: did you power cycle the dongle?
[09:07] <popey> morphis: yes
[09:08] <morphis> popey: and that didn't help?
[09:11] <popey> eventually after many reboots it did
[09:12] <MasseR> Is anyone else having trouble opening the screen on UT device (nexus7)
[09:13] <MasseR> As in, I can click the screen button for a couple of minutes before it opens the screen
[09:30] <emawolf> Hello. I own an Ubuntu Phone. Since I use LINE Messenger on android, I checked their website and saw they support FIrefox and Chrome, so maybe they could support Ubuntu Touch too
[09:31] <emawolf> I searched for a contact email but found nothing. Would any dev have enought time to port the app to Ubuntu?
[09:31] <emawolf> Or how can I contact LINE team in order to ask them directly?
[09:32] <davmor2> emawolf: just try using it in the web browser
[09:32] <brunch875> given the app lifecycle that might not work too well
[09:32] <davmor2> MasseR: no opens on tapping the button here but I'm on official devices here not nexus7
[09:33] <MasseR> davmor2: sorry, a bit difficult to follow, so you're having similar problems?
[09:34] <emawolf_> davmor2: how can I use it in the browser? Is it possible?
[09:34] <davmor2> MasseR: no it works fine here on the 5 devices I test
[09:34] <MasseR> Ok thanks
[09:35] <davmor2> emawolf_: if it is supported in firefox and chrome the browser app is based on chrome's open source chromium browser so there is a good chance it will just work unless they have plugins for the browser to make it work
[09:36] <emawolf_> davmor2: Do i have to open chrome web store to install the exstension?
[09:37] <davmor2> emawolf_: the ubuntu browser has no store so that wouldn't work, it would need to not use a plugin
[09:38] <emawolf_> davmor: so maybe I can't use it with the browser.... I read the only way to use it on Chrome is install the app via the store
[09:38] <emawolf_> davmor2: How can I ask to LINE support about it?
[09:39] <davmor2> emawolf_: no idea
[09:39] <emawolf_> davmor2: For contacting support, there's only a web form in their page
[09:40] <davmor2> emawolf_: I would say that would be how you contact them then
[09:41] <emawolf_> davmor2: I'll try... if this wouldn't work, how could I contact others ubuntu devs who could be interested?
[09:44] <davmor2> emawolf_: you can ask here but I wouldn't hold your breath as the plugin side is likely to be proprietary and not available for devs outside the company to hack on
[09:45] <davmor2> emawolf_: so their webform would be the best place
[09:47] <emawolf_> davmor2: I'll try to contact the support team then, thank you
[09:48] <davmor2> no worries
[11:45] <colongolGron> hi
[11:45] <colongolGron> I would be interested in the technical details of who ubuntu phone works
[11:45] <colongolGron> actually in such details to rebuild something similar with a linux distro of my choice and include the programs of my choice
[11:51] <davmor2> colongolGron: that's not so easy
[11:51] <colongolGron> davmor2: ok
[11:51] <colongolGron> davmor2: could you explain to me the theory?
[11:52] <s`> get android and build everything on top of it
[11:52] <davmor2> colongolGron: what theory you would need to completely rebuild the system from the ground up like the kubuntu team did, it is not an easy task
[11:53] <popey> colongolGron: you're asking a big question, can you be more specific?
[11:53] <popey> we have some presentations which give high level stuff about the architecture
[11:53] <colongolGron> popey: since i have only a vague idea of how it is done, its hard for me to be more specific yet
[11:54] <colongolGron> popey: that would be interesting. hopefully it would enable me to ask more detailed questions
[11:56] <colongolGron> popey: if you could point me to those presentations it would be cool
[11:58] <popey> yeah, if I can find them
[12:06] <colongolGron> not too easy it seems :)
[12:20] <popey> colongolGron: sorry, was in a meeting
[12:20] <colongolGron> popey: no problem
[12:20] <colongolGron> i am still here :)
[12:20] <popey> colongolGron: had a look through some and they're a bit too high level
[12:20] <colongolGron> well maybe they would interesting nevertheless
[12:20] <popey> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/Ubuntu%20Touch%20Internals_1.pdf is  agood start
[12:21] <popey> a bit old
[12:21] <popey> not sure what else we have.
[12:23] <colongolGron> thanks for that one
[12:35] <mardy> dobey: hi! I'm finally convinced, about the fact that we should let plugins specify which UI should be used for re-authenticating the user
[12:36] <mardy> dobey: especially in order to implement immediate error messages and validation of fields (like "password must be at least 6 characters long")
[12:37] <mardy> dobey: but... I'll first go with the ugly version, make it somehow acceptable, while working on the real one, which might take longer
[12:48] <colongolGron> popey: okay i read it, it was interesting
[12:49] <colongolGron> I wonder: on which devices can one run the ubuntu touch?
[12:50] <popey> !devices | colongolGron
[12:50] <ubot5`> colongolGron: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[12:50] <popey> colongolGron: basically Nexus 4, Nexus 7 (2013), bq e4.5, bq e5, bq M10, Meizu MX4, Meizu Pro 5. Plus a bunch of community ports including Nexus 5, OnePlus One.
[12:52] <colongolGron> yay
[12:52]  * colongolGron has a oneplus one
[12:53] <popey> Works quite nicely on that device. mariogrip maintains the port.
[12:53] <colongolGron> thats good new
[12:53] <colongolGron> s/new/news
[12:54] <colongolGron> i was never concerned about this so i have no expeirence with it and have to ask: is it possible to put the vendors android back on the phone again after one put ubuntu touch on it?
[12:54] <colongolGron> in case one wants to change back
[12:58] <OsakaFoo> would it be easy to port on electron based program?
[12:58] <OsakaFoo> s/on/an
[13:04] <popey> colongolGron: yes
[13:06] <colongolGron> popey: any preparations i should undertake before flashing the new on ontop?
[13:06] <popey> on a oneplus one? ask mariogrip
[13:09] <dobey> mardy: ok. i'm trying to get through reviewing the current branch
[13:47] <tnth> Hello, I can't figure out how to use "sessionCookieMode" or "cookiePolicy" in the Main.qml file.  I have tried setting "preferences.sessionCookieMode: persistent"  this in the webconext section of the  code but the app crashes. I am not a developer so any guidance is appreciated.
[13:50] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, or alex-abreu  ^
[13:52] <alex-abreu> tnth, hi, I guess you are trying to develop an Ubuntuwebview based app?
[13:53] <tnth> background is that I nabbed some qml code to create a google books app. While the code works great and I can read the books as long as I am online. When I am offline, the books do not show up when off line
[13:53] <tnth> Hi alex-abreu, Yes I am
[13:55] <alex-abreu> tnth, I am not familiar with the google books app, why are you trying to tweak the cookies to achieve offline support?
[13:57] <tnth> Currently, as long as you have internet connection and you refresh the page, the books  will disply for reading. When not connected to internet, the books do no show. I assumed that its because the cookies are cached or stored for the app to read.
[13:57] <tnth> are not*
[13:58] <tnth> This would help with trips or plane flights or  camping.
[14:00] <alex-abreu> tnth, I dont think that the cookies are related to the offline behavior, they usually are just used for state management & auth and are online related bits
[14:00] <dobey> no, cookies are something that get sent to the server. if offline, there's no server to send them to
[14:00] <dobey> it sounds like you want LocalStorage (HTML5 Storage), but i don't know if google books does that
[14:00] <alex-abreu> tnth, did you try to manually download the books?
[14:01] <alex-abreu> dobey, no localstorage is still another thing
[14:01] <oSoMoN> tnth, try "sessionCookieMode: WebContext.SessionCookieModePersistent"
[14:02] <oSoMoN> (not saying this is going to help with the offline behaviour, but it might help with your crash)
[14:02] <alex-abreu> tnth, you shoudl remove the cookies bits
[14:04] <tnth> Ah, thanks for the cookie info. I didn't know that and makes sense.  In the app, you can download the book for offline mode an ( it also states downloaded) but with no internet connection, the webpage states offline and no books are displayed.
[14:05] <moritz311> http://pastebin.com/KdGaBbuY
[14:05] <moritz311> when syncing ubuntu touch with ubp-5.1
[14:05] <moritz311> any idea ?
[14:05] <alex-abreu> tnth, on what are you testing?
[14:06] <tnth> @oSoMoN I will try that line to see if it helps with the crash for my own curiosity but will remove all cookie bits
[14:07] <tnth> @alex-abreu I have a BQ FHD tablet
[14:08] <alex-abreu> tnth, do you have your project handy? it might be easier for me to haev a look
[14:12] <tnth> Alex, I do not have it online but I nabbed "Oliver Grawert" Googl+ code and just changed the URL patterns to google books.  https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/junk/google-plus-app   --  Or I can send you a shared link to my code on google drive. Which do you prefer sir?
[14:13] <dobey> pretty sure you need to hook up the localstorage bits
[14:16] <tnth> @dobey,  in the code it has  "preferences.localStorageEnabled: true"   Is this the same area you are referring too?
[14:27] <mariogrip> colongolGron: nope, just flash on top of android works fine
[14:28] <mariogrip> colongolGron: yeah, you can put vendor android back on it
[14:28] <mariogrip> colongolGron: also if you just want to test ubuntu touch, you can use something called multirom if you got an rooted device
[14:33] <brunch875> https://clbin.com/wGjkuM.png
[14:33] <brunch875> https://clbin.com/TrRSma.png
[14:33] <brunch875> haha, what?
[14:34] <popey> ooh, you're the second person to report that
[14:34] <popey> davmor2: ^
[14:34] <brunch875> I'm on rc-proposed by the way
[14:34] <davmor2> brunch875: there is a bug for it breakage in unity8
[14:35] <brunch875> any steps I could follow to be helpful?
[14:35] <davmor2> brunch875: reboot gets rid of it :)
[14:36] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1585645
[14:36] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1585645 in ubuntu-settings-components (Ubuntu) "Huge icons in network indicator" [Undecided,Triaged]
[14:36] <brunch875> I mean, apart from hitting 'affects me too', is there any tool I should run for dumps?
[14:36] <brunch875> to help you peeps debug and stuff
[14:36] <davmor2> brunch875: nope already being worked on
[14:37] <brunch875> thumbs up then, good luck!
[14:45] <bqE5BlackScreen> Hi! I just purchased BQ E5 and it's screen goes to black all the time for about 5 sec.. Is this a know issue ?
[14:46] <bqE5BlackScreen> I have tried to google that for an hour, but i cannot find anything.. :(
[14:46] <mcphail> bqE5BlackScreen: doesn't sound normal to me
[14:47] <davmor2> bqE5BlackScreen: not a known issue that I know to
[14:48] <pmcgowan> bqE5BlackScreen, just a guess, turn of autobrightness if its on?
[14:48] <bqE5BlackScreen> I will check that out
[14:51] <bqE5BlackScreen> autobrightness has been (and is still) turned off.
[14:52] <bqE5BlackScreen> Do you think that i have received hw that has defect ?
[14:53] <bqE5BlackScreen> I cannot use that phone more than 20-40 sec an then it goes to black screen
[14:54] <bqE5BlackScreen> It will wake up from that usually after about 5 second, but sometimes 10%-20% is stucks for that long time
[14:55] <pmcgowan> bqE5BlackScreen, what is the inactivity timer set to
[14:55] <bqE5BlackScreen> only way to get it up, is to push power button (to shut down screen virtually (as it is black already)) and wait some time
[14:55] <pmcgowan> but it blacks out while using it?
[14:56] <bqE5BlackScreen> and then push power button again and it will wake up, if I waited long enough.
[14:56] <bqE5BlackScreen> yes, it backs out when using it
[14:56] <bqE5BlackScreen> screen saver timer is turned off (i was hoping that it would help on that)
[14:57] <pmcgowan> never heard of a problem like this
[14:58] <bqE5BlackScreen> I am not a developer, but if i can provide something useful information I am happy to do that
[14:59] <pmcgowan> bqE5BlackScreen, so you do not see the system restarting, just the screen goes black
[14:59] <bqE5BlackScreen> I can file a bug, if somebody can help me a bit.. (=give link where to file it) and help me produce something (logs?) to solve it
[15:00] <pmcgowan> bqE5BlackScreen, you can file one at https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug
[15:00] <bqE5BlackScreen> otherways I am then planning to contact BQ and send this device back to them
[15:00] <pmcgowan> include /var/log/syslog
[15:00] <pmcgowan> but it sounds maybe like hardware issue
[15:01] <bqE5BlackScreen> oki pmcgowan. I file a bug to that place and include that log. After that I return the device. Thanks!
[15:02] <pmcgowan> bqE5BlackScreen, include your version info as well from about
[15:03] <bqE5BlackScreen> ok. it is lates ot10.1 i thnk..
[15:38] <OsakaFoo> what is the best way to create an ssh tunnel for use with another app
[15:39] <colongolGron> mariogrip: thanks i will look for multirom then first :)
[15:41] <OsakaFoo> I've ran ssh -L .. on the terminal and netstat reports it - But my app seems to not want to connect - is there some persmissions I am missing?
[15:42] <mcphail> OsakaFoo: well, the ssh client (and terminal) will be stopped when you switch to your app
[15:43] <OsakaFoo> mcphail: ah so that's not the best route - atm I'm running the ssh from adb
[15:44] <mcphail> OsakaFoo: aah. I don't think adb sessions get stopped
[15:44] <OsakaFoo> just wanted to have weechat's glowing bear to go via ssh rather than tls - but I guess that's not sure a big issue
[15:44] <OsakaFoo> s/sure/such
[15:49] <moritz311> someone have an idea why i'm not able to checkout ubuntu source ?
[16:57] <altker128> Anyone using OTA-11 ?
[16:59] <dobey> plenty of people use rc-proposed
[16:59] <altker128> Any thoughts on lag/delays?
[17:00] <dobey> different devices are different
[17:01] <OsakaFoo> is it possible to update my phoen to rc-proposed from stable, and then back to stable if it does not work well without losing data?
[17:02] <dobey> mostly
[17:02] <brunch875> I use the aquaris e4.5 (which is mediocre hardware, right?) and I experience no lags on rc-proposed
[17:03] <altker128> brunch875: Did you have a different experience with lag prior to rc-proprosed?
[17:03] <brunch875> eh... not really, no...
[17:03] <brunch875> but I've been on rc-proposed for most of the time
[17:04] <brunch875> I think I've used the stable image only for two weeks after buying
[17:04] <brunch875> so more than a year now :Þ
[17:47]  * OsakaFoo updates phone to dev
[17:48] <OsakaFoo> but first let me backup my stuff .. runs rsync
[17:48]  * OsakaFoo hugs ubuntu
[18:07] <mcphail> OsakaFoo: is the dev channel working? rc-proposed is the usual option
[18:12] <dobey> mcphail: no it's not
[18:12] <dobey> (devel/devel-proposed not working, i mean)
[18:13] <davmor2> mcphail: actually the recommended one is stable :) if you want to test the latest and greatest then you can use rc-proposed.
[18:17] <mcphail> davmor2: i assumed that was OsakaFoo's intention :)
[18:18] <davmor2> mcphail: :D
[18:20] <OsakaFoo> indeed it is
[22:15] <ahoneybun> popey you picked my article for the Podcast?
[22:15] <ahoneybun> :)
[22:16] <popey> yup :)
[22:17] <ahoneybun> sweet
[22:17] <ahoneybun> trying to find it in the podcast
[22:17] <popey> you'll find it if you listen to the whole thing
[22:18] <ahoneybun> ohh
[22:20] <ahoneybun> that's so cool lol
[22:21] <ahoneybun> popey no comment about convergnce?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> mm the Ubuntu Podcast does not work in Podbird?
[22:29] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[22:29] <ahoneybun> now it does
[22:33] <popey> ahoneybun: we talked about the M10 in the previous episode :)
[22:33] <ahoneybun> oh makes since
[22:33] <ahoneybun> but Hangouts works now!
[22:33] <ahoneybun> oh uNav works
[22:33] <popey> \o/
[22:33] <ahoneybun> I had a screenshot of that working
[22:33] <ahoneybun> on my 24in monitor too
[22:41] <ahoneybun> popey the Nexus 7 does not handle close to the Nexus 4 though
[22:41] <ahoneybun> that thing is smooth
[22:41] <ahoneybun> hopefully OTA 12 fixes that
[22:58] <popey> ahoneybun: eh?
[22:58] <popey> i thought the specs of nexus 7 2013 and nexus 4 were similar