[00:02] <diddledan> here's the evidence I posted a while back: https://twitter.com/diddledan/status/722883209877295106
[00:06] <Switches> lol
[00:08] <daftykins> fancy not using a hyphen
[00:08] <daftykins> there's a bit more of a risqué item on your link however...
[00:12] <diddledan> yeah, that profile pic needs to not exist
[00:12] <daftykins> nah at the top
[00:13] <diddledan> as I say
[00:14] <diddledan> whoever that was needs to be shamed off the net
[00:15] <diddledan> I don't really understand why it's listed in the thread
[00:18] <m0nkey_> can the ubuntu server install do mdadm?
[00:19] <daftykins> hrmm not sure
[00:19] <daftykins> i'd VM to check
[00:20] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/advanced-installation.html seems to claim so
[00:20]  * penguin42 would be surprised if it couldnt
[00:25] <m0nkey_> the answer is, yes it does.
[00:37] <mapito> hi all
[00:37] <daftykins> mapito: 'lo o/
[00:37] <daftykins> what's new?
[00:38] <mapito> nada, watching NBA..and prob watch mr right after
[00:38] <mapito> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2091935/
[00:38] <mapito> or triple 9
[00:38] <daftykins> looks suitably trashy ;)
[00:39] <mapito> pfff it sounds good
[00:39] <mapito> i havent seen zoolander..so no point seeing 2nd..and dont cre for stiller
[00:39] <mapito> you watchin baseball?
[00:40] <daftykins> got a BBC documentary on Legal Highs in Portsmouth on atm
[00:40] <daftykins> shocking stuff
[00:41] <mapito> whens it from?
[00:41] <daftykins> might be 2 years old, no idea
[00:41] <mapito> new? il dl nd watch if so
[00:41] <mapito> ah
[00:41] <mapito> think ive seen thn
[00:43] <daftykins> hmm guy in Amsterdam 'Dr. Z' that cooks up these things, horrible :/
[01:39] <daftykins> http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/25/girl-orders-cushions-from-ebay-but-the-reality-she-received-is-a-lot-smaller-5903184/
[02:11] <mappps> phew my nets back
[02:11] <mappps> ya daftykins  but people dont have to take them
[02:11] <daftykins> true
[02:11] <daftykins> still immoral to make
[02:37] <mappps> hm what was tht stacey dooley documentary i saw advertised a month or so ago
[02:38] <mappps> grmpf cant remember
[02:39] <daftykins> no idea of that name
[07:00] <diplo> Morning all
[07:01] <daftykins> \o
[07:01] <daftykins> g'day
[07:13] <MooDoo> morning
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:03] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:03] <daftykins> \o
[09:04] <brobostigon> o/
[09:04] <daftykins> yay new PSU arrived to make up my old desktop again :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> :)
[09:29] <zmoylan-pi> you can unplug your pc parts from the scaletrix power supply \o/ :-P
[09:29] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:30] <SuperMatt> Also means you don't have to hold down the little trigger to make your PC go
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> pull too  hard and the pc explodes... :-)
[09:34] <daftykins> nah i pinched the PSU for my new build, the old desktop has sat in a partially empty case
[12:04] <diddledan> so I finally, after 10 years of living here, figured-out that my tv antenna sockets aren't connected to anything and that I was receiving TV on the wire only
[12:05] <diddledan> it was surprising it worked at all
[12:05] <diddledan> I now have a proper antenna
[12:06] <diddledan> ooh, tv tonight. referendum debate
[12:07] <zmoylan-pi> in the 80s a mate had his spectrum wired up to a portable tv and also had a set of bunny ears on it.  there was so much signal leakage in his built up area he got cable tv channels on the bunny ears
[12:08] <diddledan> cable tv on bunny-ears? how?
[12:08] <diddledan> that's nuts
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> i saw it working... someone must have had a repeater broadcasting the cable tv channels nearby
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> very illegally. for years...
[12:10] <SuperMatt> diddledan: which channel is the debate on?
[12:10] <diddledan> bbc1 I think
[12:10] <SuperMatt> cool, I might check iplayer later
[12:10] <SuperMatt> not that it's going to make a blind bit of difference which way I vote
[12:10] <TwistedLucidity> Will it be done Gladitators style? I'd watch that
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> thunderdome rules...
[12:11] <diddledan> 1 man enters. 2 men leave.
[12:11] <diddledan> wait..
[12:11] <TwistedLucidity> A) Their corrupt and out-of-touch toffs or B) Our corrupt and out-of-touch toffs
[12:11] <SuperMatt> diddledan: that explains how male twins are born
[12:11] <diddledan> lol
[12:12] <SuperMatt> This whole thing should never really have happened
[12:12] <diddledan> aye
[12:13] <TwistedLucidity> They only have themselves to blame
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> no no you blame the voters this way
[12:14] <SuperMatt> If the media had done a better job in the last few years of informing the electorate about how EU politics works, and how they can get involved, then we would never have had this referendum
[12:14] <diddledan> I'm on holiday when the election happens so I'm hoping my postal ballot arrives in time
[12:14] <SuperMatt> The Greens have won the prize for today’s most outlandish EU referendum headline. Sian Berry, the Green London assembly member, sent out a press release headed: Brexit could mean break-up for 1 in 10 London couples
[12:14] <TwistedLucidity> I will confess to having no idea who my MEP is. I know who my MP is and that information depresses me
[12:14] <diddledan> I'll be on my way back home on the Friday following election night
[12:15] <SuperMatt> TwistedLucidity: that's exactly it, there is no EU engagement
[12:15] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: Indeed. It's just a country club where the champagne is subsidised by us. All meetings in secret etc etc
[12:16] <TwistedLucidity> It *should* be good, but it isn't.
[12:16] <SuperMatt> Then we need to make sure we're voting in the correct MEPs
[12:16] <TwistedLucidity> A united Europe would be a great thing, the EU is a horror
[12:17] <SuperMatt> As it stands, maybe, but we can't change anything by getting out
[12:17] <TwistedLucidity> We can't change anything in the UK, let alone the EU!
[12:17] <SuperMatt> We had the chance with the voting referendum
[12:17] <SuperMatt> Can't believe we stuck with FPTP!
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> it suits both parties
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> keeps out those pesky 3rd parties from getting a foothold
[12:22] <TwistedLucidity> Just look at our continuing failures to stamp out corruption in the City (dodgy bankers, tax evasion...), Westminster (expenses) and so on
[12:24] <SuperMatt> TwistedLucidity: that's fine, but that's only due to local politicians being complacent, and nothing to do with the EU
[12:24] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: I was more thinking, if we can't get our own house in order how can we hope to sort out the EU?
[12:25] <SuperMatt> sure, I agree
[12:25] <SuperMatt> so let's not cut off our nose to spite our face
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> when was the last time you could trust the city?
[12:26] <SuperMatt> I trust it now with Sadiq sitting atop the iron throne
[12:26] <TwistedLucidity> More just give up and try to survive
[12:27] <foobarry> !politics
[12:27] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[12:27] <foobarry> heh
[12:27] <SuperMatt> heh
[12:27] <foobarry> i wonder if thats even a chan
[12:27] <TwistedLucidity> Can we have a vote on that?
[12:28] <diddledan> I vote that it's not a real channel
[12:28] <diddledan> :-p
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> probably just tells you to go to #argument-uk
[12:28] <penguin42> or #argument-eu
[12:29] <zmoylan-pi> argument-eu is where you go to get the french all riled up
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> by very clearly and repeatedly typing 'NO... SPEAKO... FROGGO...' :-P
[12:31] <diddledan> or "no parley frenchais"
[12:31] <TwistedLucidity> ¿Que?
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> cé?
[12:33] <diddledan> \o/ bank holiday rain
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> not a proper bank holiday unless it rains
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> and you're stuck behind a caravan in a traffic jam
[12:34] <diddledan> everyone plans a barbemacue and end-up cooking it indoors
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> or under an umbrella on a bbq in the rain
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> seering the skin on your front with ice water running down your back... trapped between fire and ice...
[12:41] <diplo> zmoylan-pi: I did a bbq in the rain on the last one! It was dry when I started :)
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> it's always dry when you start.  the weather waits till you're committed... :-)
[12:42] <diplo> I was told to bring it inside, NEVER! was my response and it all worked out
[12:42] <penguin42> wouldn't it be a bit dangerous running a bbq inside?
[12:42] <diplo> :P
[12:48] <foobarry> i've hit ctrl-q too many times. getting the firefox addon
[12:48] <foobarry> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/disable-ctrl-q-shortcut/
[12:48]  * penguin42 sighs at addons that should be configs
[12:50] <foobarry> its a very small piece of code
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> especially as ctrl-w is used so often
[12:53] <diddledan> ctrl+w is a pain when you start getting used to using nano's search feature
[12:54] <diddledan> use nano regularly and get used to using ctrl+w for find. move to browser and try to find some text on the page..
[12:54]  * diplo doesn't use ctrl-w, whats that for...? Investigates
[12:54] <diplo> close window
[12:57] <Dave> diddledan: and then you get to learn about ctrl+shift+t
[13:04] <zmoylan-pi> all hail the genius who added ctrl-shift-t
[13:04] <diplo> ooooohhhhh all the shortcuts today!
[13:05] <penguin42> my favorite KDE shortcut is ctrl-alt-shift-pageup
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi>  /texttosearchfor is probably my most used...
[13:07] <diddledan> http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technology/us-military-uses-8-inch-floppy-disks-to-coordinate-nuclear-operations/ar-BBtvwsY?ocid=spartandhp
[13:07] <diddledan> sorry for the Microsoft link :-/
[13:08] <penguin42> well, it's pretty much hacker proof
[13:08] <diddledan> aye
[13:08] <diddledan> that's what I thought when reading it
[13:09] <diddledan> I mean what's the chances that a kid has a dialup modem that they would use to phone WAPR?
[13:09] <zmoylan-pi> no no you just leave a few 8" floppies on the ground outside with a virus on them... :-)
[13:09] <diddledan> even if they did have a modem it probably would try connecting too fast
[13:09] <diddledan> lol
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> of course the capacity of 8" floppies is small you'll have to label the floppies 1-3 and make sure they insert them in the right order so instructions to install all the virus will be needed...
[13:11] <zmoylan-pi> depressingly this will work...
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> and i still have a modem around here that will do 300baud which is what a lot of the old systems talk...
[13:20] <diddledan> I know I did have a modem around here, but not sure where it is right now
[13:21] <diddledan> a proper rs232 one rather than the winmodem-style
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> none of tha winmodem rubbish... proper hayes compatible jobbie...
[13:22] <diddledan> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/google-to-bring-official-android-support-to-the-raspberry-pi-3
[13:52] <diddledan> how do they keep finding people who can sing that aren't already known? http://www.itv.com/britainsgottalent/live-shows/beau-dermott-gives-us-goosebumps
[13:53] <SuperMatt> turns out people can practice
[13:53] <SuperMatt> and some people who didn't want to go on before have changed their mid
[13:53] <SuperMatt> *mind
[13:53] <SuperMatt> it's inconceivable, I know
[13:53] <SuperMatt> but it happens
[13:55] <SuperMatt> that is a pretty fantastic voice, to be fair
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Talent, determination, luck, connections.
[14:03] <TwistedLucidity> You need at least 3 out of 4
[14:04] <SuperMatt> also, I'm sure that Cowell's cronies are told to find only a couple of a certain type of person each season, so good talents are left behind because they're not marketable... yet
[14:05] <TwistedLucidity> She maybe 12, but that voice is around 25 :-P
[14:41] <davmor2> diddledan, TwistedLucidity, SuperMatt: this was one of my favourite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5dvu4feCFk
[14:43] <diddledan> davmor2: that's the one in fifth elephant, right?
[14:43] <davmor2> diddledan: it is
[14:44] <TwistedLucidity> I'm getting sore throat in sympathy
[14:52] <SuperMatt> davmor2: christ almighty, that's impressive
[15:06] <SuperMatt> Trump is officially the republican party nominee
[15:07] <popey> (lol)
[15:09] <penguin42> SuperMatt: How long until he finds the launch disk ?
[15:10] <SuperMatt> someone get a magnet to it now
[15:12] <penguin42> SuperMatt: And apparently he's currently leading Clinton in the polls - so he really could get in
[15:13] <SuperMatt> considering the news out today, it seems quite possible
[15:14] <SuperMatt> I just hope america comes to its senses
[15:14] <penguin42> this seems unlikely
[15:16] <diddledan> I think Obama's last act should be to nuke his own country to save the world from enduring Trumpageddon
[15:16] <diddledan> obviously that's a jest
[15:16] <TwistedLucidity> !politics
[15:16] <lubotu3`> Please take political discussion to ##politics-uk. Thank you!
[15:16] <TwistedLucidity> :-)
[15:17] <diddledan> I would hope that Trump be more sensible should he win the office.
[15:17] <TwistedLucidity> Well, Trump will scrap TTIP. So that's at least something
[15:17] <diddledan> true
[15:17] <diddledan> just the ttip
[15:18] <TwistedLucidity> Bernie is probably the best, shame he's anti-science
[15:18] <diddledan> said the actress to the ..
[15:18] <TwistedLucidity> Then again, they all are
[15:18] <TwistedLucidity> What're the standings in the Democract race anyway? Is it Clinton, Bernie or Ficus?
[15:19] <SuperMatt> Clinton is a mere cat's wisker away from being the Democratic Party nominee
[15:20] <popey> bernie is refusing to step aside
[15:20] <TwistedLucidity> Isn't she being impeached or something?
[15:20] <popey> I was in a cab in the US and the passengers all agreed he should step aside for her
[15:20] <TwistedLucidity> popey: All the passengers were morons
[15:21] <popey> they were american
[15:21] <SuperMatt> The biggest problem with news from the states, is that it's quite often passed through a filter of an extremely vocal yet completely uninformed electorate
[15:21] <TwistedLucidity> Careful now, I am sure cultural stereotyping is against the CoC
[15:21] <popey> I said nothing
[15:21] <TwistedLucidity> LOL
[15:21] <popey> Just clarified where I was.
[15:21] <TwistedLucidity> I'll still balme you though. :-)
[15:21] <popey> ok
[15:22] <TwistedLucidity> In case anyone was wondering why I said "Ficus". #13 http://hoaxes.org/Top/satirical_candidates/P10/
[15:22] <popey> For once in their lifetimes they have a real opportunity for positive change in their country
[15:22] <popey> And they're going to screw it up and let Trump or Clinton in.
[15:22] <popey> Morons, yes.
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> Thing is, if you have change and fairness, transparency etc, you now have to pay the true cost. Who would vote for that?
[15:25] <TwistedLucidity> Clear thinking people, sure. How many of those are there?
[15:27] <diddledan> are you allowed to culturally stereotype your own culture?
[15:27] <diddledan> like Jewish lawyers referring to themselves as sheisters?
[15:28] <TwistedLucidity> So I can say "All Irish are drunken idiots"?
[15:28] <diddledan> that's what I'm wondering
[15:29] <TwistedLucidity> Hrm...I guess context is the thing. One has to be so careful these days, some folks are so quick to take offence when none was intended or there was a simple misunderstanding.
[15:30] <diddledan> I reserve the right to offend
[15:30] <diddledan> I also reserve the right to be offended
[15:30] <diddledan> that doesn't mean you're not allowed to offend me though. you have that right, so have at it
[15:31] <TwistedLucidity> At what point does the right of indiviuals' to cause offence through free speech become an issue? e.g. hounding of people.
[15:32] <TwistedLucidity> I guess it also comes down to saying "That idea is stupid" as opposed to "You are stupid". If someone is deeply invested into an idea, they can still take offence at the former even when there's nothing to take offence at.
[15:33] <TwistedLucidity> Me, I prefer to take little notice of the lower orders. ;-)
[15:33] <diddledan> stupid is as stupid does
[15:34] <TwistedLucidity> My box of chocolates always told life was like momma
[15:34] <TwistedLucidity> Wait, what?
[15:34] <diddledan> mah momma always said laaf is laak a box of chocolets
[15:35] <diddledan> gotta love Tom Hanks
[15:35] <diddledan> he's had some amazing films
[15:36] <diddledan> poor Wilson, though.. that was heartbreaking
[15:36] <TwistedLucidity> Have you seen "John Wick"?
[15:37] <TwistedLucidity> (I know it's not a Hanks film)
[15:37] <diddledan> I have, but I've forgotten it
[15:37] <TwistedLucidity> [WARNING SPOLIERS] One word: puppy
[15:37] <diddledan> gotcha
[15:38] <TwistedLucidity> I felt sick
[15:38] <diddledan> that's enough to remind me :-)
[15:38] <TwistedLucidity> I think that's the first time I've Reeves do an expression other than "gormless"
[15:38] <TwistedLucidity> That said, loved him in Constantine
[16:36] <davmor2> diddledan: hmmm john wick great film
[17:09] <daftykins> not sure what they'll do for #2!
[17:11] <zmoylan-pi> disappoint the fans is the usual thing to do... :-P
[18:07] <daftykins> my friend brought me 5 dead iDevices... https://www.dropbox.com/s/tuy8buigtrmo7ku/IMG_20160526_174629.jpg?dl=0
[18:07] <daftykins> so much fun awaits!
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> someone queued for all those devices...
[18:08] <Switches> daftykins: lol looks like it
[18:09]  * Switches goes back to finding Dual 8pin PSU and EATX case
[18:09] <daftykins> a physicist might say they all have dual spin, Switches ;D
[18:11] <Switches> daftykins: Trying to find a PSU with dual 8 pins for CPUs, If I can find one. If not guess I'm going to be getting a splitter :(
[18:11] <daftykins> ah the EPS connections?
[18:11] <Switches> Yep
[18:12] <daftykins> i saw a Y of those just the other day when ordering my extension for my new PSU
[18:12] <daftykins> (for the Q6600)
[18:12] <Switches> Think amazon does the Y splitters, but was trying to find a PSU that doesn't need it as it makes the cabling look horrible :p
[18:13] <daftykins> *nod* i know what you mean
[18:13] <daftykins> i've ordered a white replacement screen for the iPhone 5 in the pic, for <£18 :)
[18:13] <Switches> Hmm that's an idea actually.. could get a custom splitter made I guess
[18:13]  * Switches runs off to look at cablemods site
[18:13] <daftykins> :D
[18:14] <zmoylan-pi> bare wires wrapped around matches plugged into the mother board always looks neat...
[18:14]  * daftykins finds Switches in 3 weeks, debating pink braided wire vs. black and green
[18:14] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: ah a man of taste
[18:15] <Switches> Well I got two Xeon E5620 Quads sat here doing jack, just found a Supermicro board on ebay for them so looking at what it will cost me to build a decent storage machine
[18:16] <daftykins> that backblaze study suggests HGST SATA 3.5" hard disks rule the roost, if it's of any relevance/interest :)
[18:17] <Switches> Yeah so I read, was thinking of maybe getting a few of them and a couple of small ssd for caching on ZFS
[18:18] <daftykins> hmm would the data you store be of the type to justify such a cache, or would it be for the fun of it?
[18:18] <Switches> I mean having a server with 8 cores, 16 threads and a few nice drives should work ok, even if my credit card will hate me for a few months :p
[18:19] <Switches> For the fun of it really
[18:21] <daftykins> has anyone done an iPad screen swap before?
[18:24] <daftykins> they strike me as a risky beast, evil glue 'n' all
[18:31] <daftykins> (please forgive my poor grammar, rocking a 30hr all-nighter right now :) )
[18:34]  * penguin42 notes that doing an iPad screen swap after a 30hr all-nighter might not be he best move
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> unless you want the weirdest frankenpad in the office :-)
[18:34] <daftykins> haha, oh no i've not got the tool, ifixit sell this neat microwaveable strip thingy
[18:35] <daftykins> https://eustore.ifixit.com/out/pictures/master/product/1/5e47b6830415a055facbb468665cb3ae.mtAZTMRDOMhYBGHN.jpg
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> why's the screen sideways...? :-P
[18:35] <daftykins> you know those fruity types :)
[18:36] <daftykins> in fairness i've exercised quite remarkable restraint, i took the two screws out of the iPhone and prised the screen off... but i've left it there, only 2 screws out!
[18:36] <daftykins> i'm even umm-ing and arr-ing over a 99p SIM tray :D
[18:38]  * zmoylan-pi gets ready to start ripping 30 rock dvds
[18:43] <diddledan> I've started listening to the david lagercranz girl with the dragon tattoo sequel audiobook
[19:16] <daftykins> diddledan: ah yes that's the commissioned fellow? good call, i was going to try that
[19:16] <daftykins> heard there was quite the complaint from the guys estranged wife, mostly along the lines of £££
[19:33] <daftykins> my software dev friend just asked me how, on a Linux system, you would generate the current time for use in a tag in a database - any thoughts?
[19:34] <penguin42> daftykins: In C  clock_gettime or gettimeofday
[19:36] <diddledan> ooh the debate is on
[19:36] <diddledan> forgot to watch out for it
[19:36] <daftykins> apparently it's running in a docker container o0
[19:37] <daftykins> "db takes any string as a tag"
[19:37] <penguin42> daftykins: One thing I'd warn would be don't overly specify the time; using high res timers can be expensive on some systems
[19:37] <diddledan> what language, daftykins ?
[19:37] <daftykins> i know she primarily devs with java but i've not heard a clear answer yet, hrmm
[19:38] <diddledan> daftykins: then whatever java provides for it's timeofday function
[19:38] <penguin42> oh java probably has some class hierarchy for finding times
[19:38] <diddledan> seems a bit of a silly question to me
[19:38] <diddledan> "I want X" .. the answer is "get X then"
[19:39] <daftykins> :D she does have a wee habit of such
[19:39] <diddledan> most languages have portable libraries which implement such things
[19:40] <diddledan> Linux isn't some magic unicorn that you have to do things strangely
[19:41]  * daftykins looks at the stable he built, glances back
[19:41] <daftykins> diddledan: i've got some hay and sugar cubes you can buy...
[19:41] <diddledan> rainbow poo
[19:41] <daftykins> only if you play your cards right
[19:41] <daftykins> thanks folks, awaiting a response but it's slowgoing XD
[19:42] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/YbYWhdLO43Q
[20:34] <diddledan> well I'll be jiggery-pokeried by a monkey's uncle
[20:38] <diddledan> ooh, popeylicious! the ubuntu podcast has been updated
[20:38] <diddledan> that there America, eh?
[20:47] <diddledan> OMG GOOGLE WON!!!!!!!1!!111! http://www.cio.com/article/3069529/linux/linux-is-the-largest-software-development-project-on-the-planet-greg-kroah-hartman.html
[20:47] <diddledan> wrong link
[20:47] <diddledan> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/05/google-wins-trial-against-oracle-as-jury-finds-android-is-fair-use/
[20:48] <penguin42> now, for the appeals
[20:48] <diddledan> awww, don't ruin it!
[20:54] <m0nkey_> holy cow. Canonical has an office in Montreal
[20:54]  * m0nkey_ looks them up to see if any jobs are going
[20:55] <popey> we've had an office there for many years
[21:02] <m0nkey_> I've never really checked. But I was looking at this Landscape thing, noticed the support number was a 514 area code
[21:03] <m0nkey_> On Boul St. Laurent :)
[21:03] <penguin42> m0nkey_: You do realise that for a lot of tech companies they let you work at home; you don't actually need to be in/at one of their offices?
[21:04] <penguin42> m0nkey_: Obviously unless your job is to put the smoke back in to machines that happen to be there
[21:04] <diddledan> I love that magic smoke
[21:04] <m0nkey_> The magic blue smoke?
[21:04] <diddledan> it's always best to let it be free
[21:04] <penguin42> where would we be without it?
[21:05]  * diddledan takes a photo of his picase
[21:06] <m0nkey_> wha? 16.04 doesnt come with nfs-common installed?! what is this world coming to?
[21:16] <diddledan> https://cloud.bowlhat.net/s/UJvXDyLLqDJZ5cJ <-- magic blue smoke
[21:17] <lopta> What does NFS-Common do?
[21:17] <lopta> (I mean, I know what NFS is)
[21:17] <diddledan> provides common nfs stuff
[21:17] <lopta> ...-common?
[21:17] <lopta> Ah, ok
[21:17] <diddledan> stuff that gets shared by multiple nfs-related packages
[21:18] <lopta> Ah, I should have guessed that by the name.
[21:18] <diddledan> i.e. stuff that nfs-server and nfs-client both need
[21:18] <m0nkey_> can't mount nfs shares from fstab without it :)
[21:18] <m0nkey_> i'm in the process of moving my freenas jails to VMs on my proxmox box
[21:19] <m0nkey_> best of all worlds there.. debian base, ZFS and ubuntu VMs :)
[21:24] <lopta> m0nkey_: Is there an advantage to mixing Debian and Ubuntu?
[21:26] <m0nkey_> Probably not. But Proxmox is Debian based
[21:27]  * lopta doesn't know what a Proxmox is.
[21:29] <m0nkey_> It's a virtualization platform based on KVM
[21:29] <lopta> Ah, ok
[21:29] <m0nkey_> It also contains LXC goodies too
[21:29] <lopta> LXC?
[21:29] <m0nkey_> Linux Containers
[21:29] <lopta> Oh, those.
[21:29] <m0nkey_> And the kernel has ZFS baked in. I love the ZFS filesystem.
[21:30] <lopta> I know the Solaris, Illumos and FreeBSD people like it.
[21:30] <lopta> ...but I've heard it wants gobs and gobs of RAM.
[21:30]  * m0nkey_ has become a FreeBSD guy
[21:30] <m0nkey_> Yeah, my FreeNAS box typically uses 12GB RAM
[21:30] <lopta> I haven't tried it recently. Last time was about fifteen years ago.
[21:31] <lopta> I'm typing this on a NetBSD box.
[21:31] <lopta> (at the office)
[21:32] <diddledan> m0nkey_: they replaced the openvz then, or is that still in there too?
[21:32] <lopta> I should probably learn FreeBSD for ZFS and Jails.
[21:32] <diddledan> in proxmox I mean
[21:32] <m0nkey_> openzv is gone as per v4 of proxmox
[21:32] <lopta> ...it's a challenge to make the time though.
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> spacex livecast starting in a mo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBYC4f79iXc
[21:58] <penguin42> hmm, still starting soon
[21:59]  * zmoylan-pi remembers waiting for apollo missions to be launched while waiting at nearby tv shop window so waiting for youtube to start is a little easier... :-)
[22:00]  * penguin42 isn't that old
[22:03] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: It's showing 1hr:32min countdown until the livestream starts
[22:06] <zmoylan-pi> yeah seems to have been pushed back :-(
[22:18] <diddledan> it feels later than 11:20
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> are you east of gmt? :-)
[22:21] <Switches> Hmm don't you just love BST
[22:41] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Looks like it's flipped to tomorrow