[00:54] <_stink_> yo
[01:28] <rick_h_> evening
[13:45] <cmaloney> morning!
[13:46] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[13:46] <rick_h_> not too bad
[13:46]  * rick_h_ is in the woods
[13:46] <rick_h_> albiet in the woods backed up to a road
[13:46] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That didn't take long. :)
[13:47] <rick_h_> no, got in last night
[13:47] <rick_h_> got one of the last 2 spots in the campgroudnm
[13:47] <rick_h_> holiday weekend rush to get a spot
[13:47] <cmaloney> Didn't even give it a proper pre-flight check. ;)
[13:47] <rick_h_> only way to test it is to use it!
[13:48] <rick_h_> though do need to head back to the house for a few things that I missed while loading yesterday
[13:48] <cmaloney> heh
[13:48] <cmaloney> Though if you're only "up the street" then it's not too big of a deal
[13:49] <rick_h_> yea, it's a 15min drive down dixie hwy
[13:49] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's "towing distance"
[13:49] <rick_h_> towing distance is anywhere! :P
[13:49] <cmaloney> heh
[13:50] <rick_h_> kind of bummed we're not going as many miles this year as last year
[13:50]  * rick_h_ needs to find some more states to visit
[13:50] <cmaloney> Ask Congress about Puerto Rico
[13:50] <cmaloney> and the Virgin Islands.
[13:51] <cmaloney> I think we're overdue for some new states
[13:52] <cmaloney> Also: do they do camping in Europe? :)
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> morning
[14:04] <cmaloney> https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4l24hn/ <- MySQL is a better NoSQL
[14:05] <jrwren> rick_h_: you working from that woods?
[14:06] <jrwren> cmaloney: i just threw up in my mouth a little.
[14:06] <jrwren> oh.... but compared to mongodb, I'll agree!
[14:07] <cmaloney> heh
[14:07] <jrwren> lol "MongoDB: so bad that it makes MySQL look good in comparison."
[14:07] <cmaloney> Basically they take away a lot of the things that MySQL does poorly (transactions, joins) and suddenly it's performant
[14:08] <jrwren> that is well known for ANY RDBMS.
[14:08] <jrwren> amazon told us that 15yrs ago.
[14:09] <cmaloney> Right but it's humorous to see MongoDB get the whipping it deserves
[14:09] <cmaloney> MongoDB is terrible. Period.
[14:10] <rick_h_> jrwren: yep
[14:11]  * rick_h_ wants to stand up for the product his teams use...and can't
[14:11] <wolfger> Mongo vs Access: go!
[14:11] <jrwren> I prefer Access.
[14:11] <rick_h_> mongodb brought something to the table when it had a form of HA before others did
[14:11] <rick_h_> but ... now not so applicaable
[14:11] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is a fair point.
[14:11] <jrwren> rick_h_: and honestly, I don't think I'd hate mongo nearly as much if we weren't using gridfs.
[14:11] <rick_h_> it's why Juju used it, they'd get HA for "free"
[14:12] <jrwren> hahaha, NEVER believe you get something "free" ;]
[14:12] <rick_h_> jrwren: true enough
[14:12] <rick_h_> (on the gridfs front)
[14:12] <jrwren> i definitely succomb to teh temptation often enough.
[14:13] <jrwren> re: mysql scaling: slashdot showed us this in 1998 when they had insanely high page views for DB page rendering at the time.
[14:18] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yep. Slashdot was a testament to the 1990's LAMP stack
[14:18] <cmaloney> P being Perl
[18:26] <greg-g> and wikipedia is the other P LAMP stack testament :)
[18:36] <wolfger> P LAMP?
[18:40] <jrwren> choose your P.  we have perl and php covered. Someone give python and pike examples :]
[18:43] <cmaloney> There's alleged pr0n sites running Turbogears. ;)
[18:43] <cmaloney> Though not sure what their database is.
[18:44] <jrwren> reddit is django, but I don't know if they use mysql or other.
[18:45] <cmaloney> Well, iirc Reddit started off in LISP so it's anyone's guess what they use for a backend
[18:46] <jrwren> postgresql
[18:46] <jrwren> http://highscalability.com/blog/2013/8/26/reddit-lessons-learned-from-mistakes-made-scaling-to-1-billi.html
[18:46] <jrwren> started off in lisp because paul graham has strong opinions :p
[18:46] <cmaloney> Honestly PostgreSQL is the answer to a lot of life's questions
[18:46] <jrwren> truth.
[18:46] <cmaloney> That's HN
[18:47] <jrwren> i'll be quoting you on that.
[18:47] <cmaloney> Reddit was not a Paul Grahm joint iirc
[18:47] <jrwren> cmaloney: read the url I just pasted and learn otherwise :p
[18:47] <cmaloney> No! You can't make me learn.
[18:47] <cmaloney> AAIIIUUUGGGHHH!
[18:47] <cmaloney> I'M ENLIGHTENED AND IT HURTS!
[18:48] <wolfger> heh
[18:48] <cmaloney> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Ohanian
[18:48] <wolfger> Enlightenment was always one of my favorite desktops
[18:49] <jrwren> Enlightenment turned into a still interesting C gui toolkit.
[19:42] <cmaloney> Yeah, Enlightenment was when folks were still interested in doing neat things with X
[19:43] <cmaloney> I still think X is a great system, but I understand it's getting way long in the tooth
[19:43] <cmaloney> I'm just glad it's lasted as long as it has
[19:43] <jrwren> X has the big problem: no security.
[19:44] <cmaloney> worse, terrible security
[19:44] <cmaloney> There's a minimal effort to lock it down and it's laugably naive.
[19:46] <jrwren> mir and wayland will get us there.
[19:48] <cmaloney> I hope so
[19:48] <cmaloney> my fear is they'll muddy the waters
[19:49] <jrwren> they'll do that too.
[20:00] <cmaloney> Apparently the jury came to a verdict on Oracle vs. Google.
[20:01] <cmaloney> I think there's only one correct verdict in this case:
[20:01] <cmaloney> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:03] <cmaloney> They found for Google
[20:03] <cmaloney> Fucking Hallelujah
[20:12] <brousch> So we're not all out of jobs?
[20:13] <cmaloney> Thankfully
[20:13] <cmaloney> And I'm only slightly ashamed that I find the jury wise with this decision. Had they found for Oracle I would consider them dense.