[07:25] <yofel> clivejo: o/
[07:48] <acheron_uk> clivejo: great :)
[07:52] <acheron_uk> on plasma-desktop, seems this is no longer needed as applied upstream https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-desktop/tree/debian/patches/upstream_include_cmath_c++_fix.diff?h=kubuntu_unstable
[08:40] <clivejo> acheron_uk: https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-desktop/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=46651e7289f4f20c964d2fd4d81a8ef85c6bba45
[08:50]  * clivejo notices his git commits are still aol.com
[08:50]  * clivejo face palms
[09:01] <acheron_uk> cool the patch, not your old addy
[09:02] <acheron_uk> they've also pushed that change to 5.6 branch it seems
[09:04] <clivejo> yeah, but old patches prevent source being built
[09:04] <clivejo> which is why KCI is throwing a hissy fit over it!
[09:07] <acheron_uk> yeah, I get that
[09:22] <jimarvan> saluti
[09:25] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 Hi friends 😃
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Hi Sick_Rimmit
 Hi Rick
 o/
[11:56] <jimarvan> Hey :)
[12:22] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[12:49] <clivejo> yuppeeeee
[12:49]  * clivejo dances
[12:56] <clivejo> acheron_uk: can you see why - http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kpimtextedit/ - is failing?
[13:53] <clivejo> hi shadeslayer
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Hey
[13:56] <clivejo> is Jon about today?
[13:56] <clivejo> all the servers seem to be down
[13:57] <clivejo> qa.kubuntu.co.uk, *.neon.kde.org/
[13:57] <clivejo> etc
[13:59] <clivejo> can anyone explain to me why libkrdccore.so is still in list-missing - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/261645850/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.krdc_4%3A16.04.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa7_BUILDING.txt.gz
[14:00] <clivejo> when I have it in not-installed - https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/krdc/tree/debian/not-installed?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive
[14:02] <shadeslayer> clivejo: dunno, haven't seen him around
[14:03] <shadeslayer> clivejo: though we know about the servers
[14:04] <clivejo> shadeslayer: any idea whats wrong?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> nope, I don't maintain that infra
[14:04] <shadeslayer> and I don't have access to it
[15:07] <acheron_uk> clivejo: this failure http://paste.ubuntu.com/16733054/
[15:07] <acheron_uk> maybe
[15:10] <clivejo> yup
[15:10] <clivejo> do you know why its complaining about that?
[15:11] <acheron_uk> I need to read up on packaging, but surely that shouldn't be in the libkf5pimtextedit5.install file?
[15:12] <clivejo> acheron_uk: yes, take a look at the install file in git
[15:13] <acheron_uk> I did https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kpimtextedit/tree/debian/libkf5pimtextedit5.install?h=kubuntu_unstable
[15:13] <clivejo> do you see anything strange?
[15:14] <acheron_uk> I thought that shoudl just be files rather than the '<<<<<<< HEAD' and other stuff in there
[15:14] <clivejo> lines 3,5 and 6
[15:14] <clivejo> yup
[15:14] <acheron_uk> yes
[15:14] <clivejo> thats called a merge marker
[15:14] <clivejo> basically someone merged two branches
[15:15] <acheron_uk> figured it was something like that which had snuck in
[15:15] <clivejo> and there was a conflict, but didnt resolve it
[15:15] <sitter> how did that get past CI? there's a test for this. or there was one anyway
[15:16] <clivejo> sitter: no idea, maybe got knocked out with the move to LP?
[15:16] <clivejo> sitter: would you have time some day to teach me how KCI works, under the hood?
[15:17] <acheron_uk> clivejo: ah. you already knew. sorry. not too long back from a nice extended Friday bank holiday weekend pub lunch, so not 100% with it
[15:17] <clivejo> acheron_uk: yes, but I wanted you to know :)
[15:17] <acheron_uk> yeah I get that now a brain cell has fired up
[15:18] <clivejo> can you resolve the conflict?
[15:18] <sitter> clivejo: literally too complicated. you'd best poke and prod it and ask if questions arise you can't figure out
[15:18] <soee_> http://famillemontel.org/index.php/2016/05/27/answer-about-akonadi-for-e-mail-needs-to-die-blog/
[15:18] <clivejo> I dont want to break it
[15:18] <acheron_uk> not even gone near merges yet, so not sure
[15:19] <clivejo> well one branch is trying to install a file called kpimtexteditwidgets.so and the other isnt
[15:19] <clivejo> which one is right
[15:19] <clivejo> HEAD or kubuntu_stable
[15:20] <clivejo> if you look back at the buildlog, you can see the files the build is installing
[15:23] <acheron_uk> I'll have to come back to this in a little bit. sorry. 
[15:23] <clivejo> no problem
[15:23] <clivejo> just trying to make you think about it :)
[15:24] <clivejo> sitter: I dont have access to the git where the KCI code is kept?
[15:24] <clivejo> Im not a kubuntu-dev
[15:24] <clivejo> how can I play with it?
[15:26] <sitter> clivejo: become a kubuntu-dev
[15:26] <clivejo> :P
[15:28] <clivejo> sitter: do you have access to scaleway to see why the servers are down?
[15:29] <sitter> nope
[15:29] <sitter> clivejo: which server?
[15:30] <clivejo> http://packaging.neon.kde.org, qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ etc
[15:30] <sitter> we'll have to wait for jon
[15:30] <clivejo> all the ones at Scalewat
[15:30] <sitter> I'd guess out of disk
[15:31] <shadeslayer> packaging.neon is hosted on scaleway?
[15:31] <sitter> for reasons beyond my apprehension this isn't a sponsored server, so I am not monitoring it
[15:32] <clivejo> its pointing to 27-246-47-212.rev.cloud.scaleway.com
[15:32] <sitter> shadeslayer: it's weegie
[15:33] <clivejo> is it a git server too?>
[15:34] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:36] <sitter> clivejo: it's numerous things. of which more than half make me uneasy
[15:37] <clivejo> you get uneasy?
[15:38] <sitter> often. in particular when data integrity is at risk!
[15:44] <yofel> the only thing on weegie that made me uneasy was that it was running 'vivid'
[15:45] <yofel> which was also annoying, but as Jon is the only one with control panel access he should be upgrading that
[15:45] <yofel> (which he said he was planning to do a while ago...)
[15:46] <yofel> also, my ISP broke my internet at home 2 days ago and still hasn't fixed it, so I will again just do nothing this weekend
[15:48] <yofel> bbl (maybe)
[15:52] <clivejo> :(
[15:52] <clivejo> poor yofel
[15:56] <acheron_uk> clivejo: presumably as kpimtexteditwidgets.so is being built, then should be resolved in favour of the branch with that in?
[15:58] <acheron_uk> unstable as far as I can see
[18:14] <genii> xenial?
[18:14] <genii> oh, unstable 
 Acheron_uk if you have time and want to, you could fix it and post the git diff
[18:36] <acheron_uk> as is correct in the actual files, I would assume that is just removal of the markers then?
[18:40] <acheron_uk> i.e. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16740685/
[18:40] <acheron_uk> or not that simple?
 I think there are other files with same problem
 And you should also make a quick note in the changelog
[19:15] <sick_rimmit> valorie: Ping hi hun, you about ?
[19:31] <acheron_uk> clivejo: I see no other merge conflict markers, unless you simply mean something built and not in the install file at all 
[19:34] <valorie> hi sick_rimmit
[19:34] <valorie> sorry I couldn't make it to the dojo
[19:34] <sick_rimmit> Hey there :-D
[19:34] <sick_rimmit> No worries
[19:35] <valorie> I'm hoping you have a video somewhere!
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> Could you proof, and edit and article for the website for me please ?
[19:35] <valorie> yes
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> It's already drafted, Kubuntu Party 4 The Gathering of the Halflings
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> Just needs, grammar, spelling etc...
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> and then it can be published
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> :-D
[19:37] <sick_rimmit> I'm on hols for a week from tomorrow, so I wn't get the DoJo review writtten up until I return
[19:38] <valorie> oooo, have fun!
[19:40] <valorie> sick_rimmit: not seeing it?
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> Oh let me have a look 
[19:41] <sick_rimmit> 2 mins
[19:41] <valorie> there it is, sorry
[19:41] <valorie> need coffee!
[19:42] <sick_rimmit> Ah perfect
[19:48]  * genii hears the coffee call, and gets valorie a large mug of the Death Wish coffee, just the right temperature for sipping
[19:51] <valorie> excellent!
[19:51] <valorie> ty
[19:51] <clivejo> o/ valorie
[19:53] <genii> valorie: Anytime :)
[19:56]  * valorie has cold brew made from locally roasted beans
[19:56] <clivejo> cold brew?
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> Ah it's some funny notion some folks have.. 
[19:56]  * clivejo wonders if its anything like the home brew his neighbour makes
[19:56] <sick_rimmit> Can't say I get it myself
[19:57] <valorie> gosh, isn't there an easy way to link to a local time given a UTC time & date?
[19:57] <valorie> grrrr
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> Brew [19:57] <sick_rimmit> Oh boy... don't talk to me about Date Time
[19:57] <sick_rimmit> It blows my mind
[19:57]  * sick_rimmit tries mostly to run his life UTC
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> even do on the fly conversion to BST / GMT
[19:58] <valorie> http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2013/09/coffee-and-doctorow.html
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> Then twice a year they change it
[19:58] <clivejo> thats not very difficult!
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> valorie: LOL
[19:58] <sick_rimmit> See what you did there
[19:58] <valorie> sick_rimmit: someone has a service that when you click it, converts to local time
[19:59] <valorie> I thought it was timeanddate.com
[19:59] <valorie> not finding it though
[19:59] <sick_rimmit> Dojo was good, we signed up 6 new Yellow Belts
[20:00] <yofel> yay, my ISP did... something. I got fixed from "no connection at all" to "connection with consistent 30% packet loss" - that's progress... I guess
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> Although I blew it with loads of Tech Troubles
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> But I will fix that
[20:00] <sick_rimmit> yofel: It is progress that's for sure
 And I thought Internet here in Poland sucks :)
[20:03] <acheron_uk> clivejo: something like that then http://paste.ubuntu.com/16744055/
[20:04] <yofel> this is called "Modern Internet" - like VoIP and stuff. But I guess I just have bad luck since they switched me
[20:04] <clivejo> acheron_uk: looks good
[20:05] <clivejo> I pulled it a few minutes ago
[20:05] <clivejo> pushed
[20:05]  * clivejo is getting confused
[20:05] <acheron_uk> oh, so you did
[20:06] <clivejo> Im drawing a river on OSM
[20:06] <acheron_uk> good good :)
[20:07] <acheron_uk> maps?
[20:07] <clivejo> yup
[20:07] <clivejo> I’m a bit obsessed !
[20:07] <acheron_uk> handy to know where rivers are
[20:07] <acheron_uk> saves accidents
[20:07] <clivejo> true
[20:08] <clivejo> this one a bridge fell into it!
[20:08] <acheron_uk> a few did that in recent years in the UK with the flooding
[20:08] <valorie> sick_rimmit: publish?
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> valorie: Yes please :-D
[20:09] <valorie> I found the link, and it works for me
[20:09] <valorie> done
[20:09] <valorie> please test
[20:09] <sick_rimmit> Roger
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> Hey brilliant
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> That reads really well, with the exitment building as you read
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> Thanks valorie
[20:13] <sick_rimmit> :-D
[20:13] <clivejo> yofel: would you have time to give me a crash course on KCI some day?
[20:14] <clivejo> there are a number of new packages need added to it
[20:14] <yofel> I fear you have to ask scarlett that. I know none of the CLI commands that are required
[20:14] <clivejo> do you have access to the code?
[20:15] <BluesKaj> heh, I like your pun clivejo , ..crash course
[20:15] <yofel> the CI tooling in use is the one from her github account I believe
[20:15] <yofel> but let me do something else as we're talking about CI
[20:15] <clivejo> could we not keep it on LP?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> well that's all she wrote .....
[20:16] <yofel> I guess we could. The bluesystems code was on GH, so forking it was easiest..
[20:16] <clivejo> all who wrote?
[20:17] <yofel> you're a CI admin now
[20:17] <clivejo> I am?
[20:17] <yofel> at least jenkins UI wise
[20:17] <valorie> use your power wisely
[20:17] <valorie> :-)
[20:17] <yofel> ^
[20:17] <clivejo> to take over the world
[20:18]  * clivejo evil laughs
[20:18] <yofel> as long as I get some minister post, go ahead :P
[20:18] <valorie> to reeeeealy take over the world, ya gotta apply for Kubuntu Devel!
[20:19] <clivejo> valorie you are sounding like sitter
[20:19] <valorie> sgclark, yofel and sitter have all told you to do it, so......
[20:19] <valorie> I just want to watch you squirm in the meeting
[20:19] <clivejo> LOL since when have I done what Im told!
[20:19] <valorie> lol
[20:19] <valorie> totally selfish on my part
[20:19] <clivejo> yeah, I think thats what sitter wants too
[20:20] <valorie> of course!
[20:20] <clivejo> ask me hard questions and watch me sweat
[20:20] <clivejo> so mean!
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> It would be really good to celebrate clivejo becoming a devel in the Dojo.
[20:20] <valorie> which is why we love him
[20:20] <valorie> and you
[20:20] <sick_rimmit> It may sound cheesy, but it would really inspire others :-D
[20:21] <clivejo> I want a real party
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> Then my friend..
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> You came to the right place :-D
[20:21] <sick_rimmit> That sourt of thing I can fix
[20:22] <clivejo> maybe next year
[20:23] <clivejo> if Phil goes for his MOTU
[20:26] <clivejo> LOL that’s such a flattering screen grab of Marios!
[20:26] <clivejo> can you take the hyperlink off the picture, its linking to the back end
[20:26] <sick_rimmit> hehe
[20:27] <sick_rimmit> Sure let me look at that
[20:28] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: could you check it again, should be fixed
[20:29] <clivejo> could you link it to the high res version?
[20:30] <sick_rimmit> Nope, I don't have a hi-res version
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> Ah hangon...
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> sorry my bad I misunderstood
[20:31] <sick_rimmit> let me look
[20:35] <sick_rimmit> Ah ha
[20:35] <sick_rimmit> Try that
[20:36] <clivejo> thats better :)
[20:36] <sick_rimmit> :-)
[20:36] <sick_rimmit> nice!
[20:36] <valorie> clivejo, yofel -- I see from the ML that clay has kmymoney packaged in his PPA
[20:37] <valorie> any reason we can't release that?
[20:37] <clivejo> I dont have the upload rights to release anything
[20:37] <valorie> can you check it over or so?
[20:38] <clivejo> open a bug on the main package to get it upgraded
[20:38] <clivejo> and link to it packaged in the PPA
[20:40] <yofel> tomorrow maybe
[20:41] <yofel> I won't be able to upload it either though
[20:42] <yofel> so far that's a debian maintained thing
[20:55] <valorie> claydoh: ^^^
[20:56] <valorie> I wonder how many other applications are already packaged in PPAs
[20:59] <clivejo> probably a lot
[20:59] <clivejo> people dont know how to get them into the archive
[20:59] <clivejo> so just stick them in a PPA
[21:05] <claydoh> hey ho valorie Normally, Kmymoney in Debian has been up-to-date when it is imported into Ubuntu so my ppa was more for uppdating it post-release when Kmymoney devs released a new version. So of course after all these years it went right over my head that debian have not updated it as usual. 
[21:05] <valorie> ah, ok
[21:06] <clivejo> wow
[21:06] <claydoh> so I never thought about updating it for Ubuntu release until you mentioned it
[21:06] <clivejo> I must be a mind reader
[21:06] <valorie> at some point we should perhaps take a look around at all those applications in PPAs and suck them into the archive if they are fit/necessary
[21:06] <valorie> instead of re-doing all that work
[21:06] <sgclark> yeah I don't believe any of us can upload that
[21:07] <sgclark> try to ask shadeslayer nicely after you have checked the package
[21:07] <claydoh> the hard part is finding them I think
[21:07] <valorie> and those people who are packaging that stuff should be hanging out here, helping us with other stuff maybe!
[21:07] <claydoh> I mean finding what is outdated but  someone packages for in a ppa
[21:07] <valorie> right
[21:08] <sgclark> there is also kdenlive packages out there that we should have used as the kdenlive devs themsleves did it. I have no idea why folks would not come here and share..
[21:08] <claydoh> my brain is frazzled sorry
[21:08] <clivejo> sgclark: I think I remember when they did come here and asked
[21:09] <sgclark> ah cool
[21:09] <sgclark> good to know
[21:09] <clivejo> decided it was easier to just use a PPA
[21:10] <claydoh> older dudes should not work in warehouses doing young mens' work, nor should they get engaged :0
[21:10] <sgclark> ah bummer
[21:10] <sgclark> why not? older chicks do
[21:10] <claydoh> actually the latter is a lie, ring shopping is kinda fun if you don't look at prices
[21:11] <claydoh> we can't handle the stresses yall can we are weaker
[21:11] <sgclark> oh thought we were talking packaging haha
[21:12] <claydoh> lol maybe that too
[21:12] <sgclark> anyway I went from 0 to 2 jobs, I don't know that I will have much time for here :( will try when I can. Life is a bit crazy for me atm.
[21:12] <valorie> we may need to rebuild kde-spectacle for YY: 
[21:12] <valorie> $ aptitude why-not libkf5screen6
[21:13] <valorie> i   libkf5screen-bin Depends libkf5screen7 (>= 4:5.6.3)
[21:13] <valorie> i A libkf5screen7    Breaks  libkf5screen6
[21:13] <clivejo> it was rebuilt
[21:13] <valorie> it got uninstalled and I can't re-install
[21:13] <clivejo> in staging I think
[21:13] <valorie> ah
[21:13] <valorie> I removed staging
[21:13] <clivejo> yofel did it as far as I can remember
[21:13] <valorie> should I add it again?
[21:13] <valorie> and which one
[21:13] <valorie> for YY
[21:14] <clivejo> staging-plasma I think its in
[21:14] <clivejo> but my memory is bad!
[21:14] <clivejo> valorie: fancy testing apps ?
[21:15] <valorie> is it still breaking things?
[21:15] <valorie> I could try with my "old" laptop
[21:16] <clivejo> I think its stablish
[21:16] <valorie> so if staging plasma is all good, how come we don't upload the stuff to archive?
[21:16]  * valorie has been running on staging stuff for weeks with no problems
[21:17] <valorie> although there were updates last night and I haven't restarted yet
[21:18] <sgclark> I thought that was one of the last things I did? upload plasma that is
[21:18] <clivejo> some of it is stuff in proposed
[21:18] <sgclark> should only be apps left
[21:18] <clivejo> stuck
[21:18] <sgclark> ah : /
[21:19] <clivejo> well all the important bits!
[21:23] <valorie> I guess we just have to wait on proposed
[21:23] <valorie> but at least we are on it well in advance this round
[21:52] <clivejo> why does LP start throwing these errors
[22:16] <valorie> when shall we have our annual Kubuntu meeting at QtCon this year?
[22:16] <valorie> I want to figure out schedules so I can request funding