[03:32] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/26/microsoft_clarifies_upgrade_trick/
[03:40] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Up before the birds ? Had your cuppa tea ?
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> oh no, i forgot lol
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> i need coffee :p
[03:42] <Bashing-om> coffee is good .
[06:27] <ducasse> morning, all
[10:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:41] <ducasse> morning :)
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[10:46] <ducasse> everything good? it's really quiet in here today :)
[10:49] <BluesKaj> good here, how about there?
[10:49] <ducasse> quiet :)
[11:20] <EriC^^> ducasse: hey man
[11:20] <ducasse> hi, EriC^^
[11:21] <EriC^^> what's up?
[11:21] <ducasse> not much, looking for prices on cpu coolers
[11:22] <EriC^^> cool
[11:26] <ducasse> also looking at disks for my nfs servers, hgst looks good. they have a good reputation.
[11:28] <EriC^^> cool
[11:28] <EriC^^> wanna work a little on the ppa-purge thing?
[11:29] <ducasse> don't know how much i have to contribute, i'm not a developer...
[11:30] <EriC^^> neither am i..
[11:31] <ducasse> hmm, ppa-purge is just a bash script, shouldn't be too hard to add what's needed...
[11:31] <EriC^^> it is?
[11:31] <ducasse> look at /usr/sbin/ppa-purge
[11:31] <EriC^^> i think it works via launchpad though only, let's see
[11:31] <ducasse> it does, but the infrastructure is all there.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> I thought ppa-purge was meant for non LP ppas since most of the ppa packages there eventually end up in the the backport repos.
[11:34] <BluesKaj> or am I mistaken ....again  :-)
[11:35] <ducasse> oh, no, there's *lots* of stuff on lp that never gets into the repos at all. and ppa-purge only handles lp.
[11:35] <EriC^^> it's pretty concise, 200lines
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ok ducasse thanks for the info
[11:37] <EriC^^> ok it first gets the list of packages from the pc itself from /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa*_Packages
[11:38] <ducasse> EriC^^: the easiest might be to add an option to specify a .list file that contains a repo to purge...
[11:38] <EriC^^> then gets the list of packages to revert to
[11:39] <EriC^^> yeah
[11:39] <EriC^^> i think we dont need to modify it even
[11:40] <ducasse> then it wouldn't be hard to parse which package list to read in /var/lib/apt/lists
[11:40] <EriC^^> if we pass it the arguments it takes export $PPAHOST=.... ppa-purge
[11:40] <EriC^^> it might work i think
[11:40] <EriC^^> this is what it uses PPA_LIST=/var/lib/apt/lists/${PPAHOST}_${PPAOWNER}_${PPANAME}_*_Packages
[11:41] <EriC^^> this is what's in my apt/lists/ for google repo dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages
[11:41] <EriC^^> and this is what's in the sources.list.d/.list deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[11:42] <ducasse> [arch...] is rarely used.
[11:42] <EriC^^> yeah just google mainly
[11:43] <ducasse> DIST can also vary from the actual distribution codename, some use 'stable', for example.
[11:44] <EriC^^> ok so basically if somebody wants to remove a ppa with a link we just tell him to get the name from /var/lib/apt/lists
[11:44] <EriC^^> and construct $PPAHOST and $PPAOWNER and $PPANAME so they match that _Packages file
[11:44] <EriC^^> let me try with google to see how it goes
[11:46] <EriC^^> here $PPAHOST=dl.google.com $PPAOWNER=linux_chrome_deb $PPANAME=dists_stable_main
[11:48] <EriC^^> i did sudo ppa-purge -s dl.google.com -o linux_chrome_deb -p dists_stable_main
[11:49] <EriC^^> "PPA purged successfully"
[11:49] <EriC^^> seems to have worked!
[11:50] <ducasse> brilliant, i wonder if it will work with the suse-hosted repos, they use a weird setup.
[11:51] <EriC^^> it should i guess
[11:52] <ducasse> seems it does :)
[11:52] <EriC^^> :)
[11:55] <ducasse> ooops, killed the wireless here :)
[11:56] <ducasse> it would be nice to just have ppa-purge construct the right line if given a .list file, though.
[11:57] <EriC^^> yeah i was just thinking that
[11:57] <EriC^^> maybe a one liner that splits it into 3 pieces
[11:58] <EriC^^> bla_bla_bla_bla_bla-bla-bla_Packages need to translate to -s bla_bla -o ... -p ..
[11:59]  * ducasse digs out "mastering regular expressions" again :)
[11:59] <EriC^^> hehe
[11:59] <ducasse> i suck at regexps
[11:59] <EriC^^> same here
[11:59] <EriC^^> this is pretty complicated
[12:00] <EriC^^> there's an ugly way to do it i guess, get the last one, then one before the _ then the whole rest
[12:01] <ducasse> it's probably easiest to just cheat and parse it in three passes to get the parameters, but that's a hack.
[12:01] <ducasse> ninja'd :)
[12:01] <EriC^^> it'll end up like this ppa-purge -s dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb -o stable -p main
[12:01] <EriC^^> hehe
[12:02] <EriC^^> or the opposite really, was thinking we need to remove the last binary-amd64 thing first
[12:03] <ducasse> sure.
[12:08] <ducasse> trying to grok the sed lines in ppa-purge, some of it is new to me.
[12:10] <EriC^^> we could use the .list file
[12:10] <EriC^^> i'm unsure of the format though, it's pretty much there though
[12:10] <EriC^^> deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
[12:11] <EriC^^> main and stable are there and the whole link is there
[12:11] <EriC^^> but are they always like that? http://link something somethingelse
[12:15] <DJones> BluesKaj: Didn't know you spoke japanese :) Nice catch in #u
[12:15] <ducasse> look at this:
[12:16] <ducasse> deb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/Horst3180/xUbuntu_15.10/ /
[12:16] <DJones> A person of many talents :)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> DJones, I don't , it's just a guess ;-0
[12:16] <EriC^^> ducasse: wow
[12:16] <EriC^^> ducasse: that's pretty out there :D
[12:16] <DJones> Heh, random characters then, or google translate7
[12:16] <EriC^^> ducasse: what does the _Package file look like?
[12:17] <ducasse> hang on, brb
[12:17] <BluesKaj> nope just subbed the chatroooms and server where they might fit
[12:36] <EriC^^> ducasse: i did it in a really ugly way
[12:36] <EriC^^> var=$(echo dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages | rev | cut -d_ -f3- | rev); PPAHOST=$(echo $var | cut -d_ -f1); PPAOWNER=$(echo $var | cut -d_ -f2); PPANAME=$(echo $var | cut -d_ -f3-)
[12:40] <ducasse> great, i'm still fiddling with sed :)
[14:02] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[14:03] <pauljw> hi lotuspsychje
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[14:03] <pauljw> :)
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows what that rss icon is called: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/color-picker-tool-for-linux-desktops-750x417.png
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Hey pauljw
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> hi BluesKaj
[14:13] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj :)
[14:15] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje , rss in kde has the same icon , akregator is all i can find about the name in kde
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: didnt agregator has the glasses also in the icon?
[14:17]  * BluesKaj dons his glasses for a closer look  ;)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:18] <BluesKaj> it does here
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> hmm perhaps the guy added it via a ppa
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hi proc
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^
[15:19] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[15:22] <EriC^^> any luck ducasse?
[15:23] <nacc> (my) morning all!
[15:23] <ducasse> EriC^^: sorry, been eating dinner, just finished :)
[15:23] <EriC^^> oh, cool :)
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> hi nacc and ducasse
[15:24] <EriC^^> hi nacc
[15:25] <ducasse> hi, lotuspsychje, started training for the new job yet? :)
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: thuesday :p
[15:27] <ducasse> i'm thinking of getting this for a firewall: http://routerboard.com/RB2011iL-RM
[15:28] <EriC^^> the perfect typo
[15:29] <EriC^^> can't know if you hit the h by mistake or e instead of r
[15:29] <EriC^^> thursday i guess though?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> tuesday :p
[15:30] <EriC^^> ah
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> i get a 2 weeks course first
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> payed
[15:31] <EriC^^> cool
[15:31] <ducasse> best kind of training :)
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> :p
[15:33] <EriC^^> me and ducasse were trying to make ppa-purge that can use links we modified ppa-purge in the end so it can take links and use them
[15:33] <EriC^^> ppa=dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-amd64_Packages; var=$(echo $ppa | rev | cut -d_ -f3- | rev); sudo ppa-purge -s $(echo $var | cut -d_ -f1) -o $(echo $var | cut -d_ -f2) -p $(echo $var | cut -d_ -f3-)
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> oO wow
[15:34] <EriC^^> you put instead of dl.google... the ppa name from /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa....._Package
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:34] <EriC^^> ducasse is working on a shorter and more elegant sed version
[15:35] <ducasse> hope i can get it to work, sed is hard.
[15:39] <ducasse> EriC^^: i've been looking at the script to figure out how to add an option to use a link, need to read a few man pages :)
[15:41] <ducasse> i've been thinking it might be cleaner to rewrite the whole thing in python, though. split it up into smaller functions, modularize it a bit, it would be easier to extend or work on in the future.
[15:42] <EriC^^> sure why not
[15:43] <EriC^^> i like to see it check if other packages that depend on the ppa stuff will break and warn about that, i dont think it does that, was kind of surprised
[15:44] <ducasse> that's the kind of thing i was thinking of, it would make it easier to add things like that...
[15:45] <ducasse> _or_ we could do something like this: https://github.com/mufc4martin/ppaag/blob/master/ppaag - just a wrapper around ppa-purge.
[15:46] <EriC^^> yeah that would be nice too
[15:47] <EriC^^> could even make one that lists the ppa's and the user can select which to remove (i have a weird obsession with making menu's in the cli)
[15:50] <EriC^^> just like
[15:50] <EriC^^> [1] dl.google.chrome
[15:50] <EriC^^> [2] something.else
[15:50] <ducasse> ncurses type thing? :)
[15:50] <EriC^^> nothing fancy, nah :)
[15:53] <ducasse> that would just require parsing every .list file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and list the repos so they can be toggled on/off. or something like that.
[15:53] <nacc> EriC^^: yeah, i'm kind of surprised ppa-purge doesn't have a 'dry-run' mode
[15:54] <nacc> although i spend so much time in git, i also wonder why everything doesn't have a ~ 'add -i mode and then a commit mode
[15:56] <EriC^^> hehe
[15:56] <nacc> it makes too much sense to 'stage' changes
[15:56] <ducasse> the debian devs were talking about adding a rollback/undo function to apt, i'm still hoping that happens...
[15:56] <nacc> ducasse: nice! that would be good
[15:56] <nacc> i guess for ubuntu, snaps is the plan there
[15:57]  * nacc still doesn't fully understand the interplay between .debs and snaps -- will have to learn
[15:57] <ducasse> apt will still be there for a long time yet, i think.
[15:57] <nacc> yeah
[15:57] <nacc> well, if for no other reason then it is sync'ing from debian :)
[15:58] <ducasse> and tbh, the day ubuntu strays too far from debian, i'll switch back to straight sid :)
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> nacc: snap find in terminal :p
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap install yoursnap
[15:59]  * nacc learns from lotuspsychje 
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> nacc: i think the unity team wants the same security model as ubuntu-touch in the future
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> locked down apps/snaps that cant harm the base system
[16:02] <nacc> lotuspsychje: ack, 'convergence'
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> and mark leaving us the choice between 2 worlds
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> unity7/xorg/debs or unity8/mir/snaps
[16:03] <EriC^^> i'm installing unity8 right now
[16:03] <EriC^^> i wanna give it a test run
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: last time i tried it crashed for me on xenial
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> not sure how it runs on yakkety these days
[16:04] <EriC^^> nice, apt has a progress bar
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> apt is fantastic isnt it
[16:05] <EriC^^> it's depressing me, i didn't know packages take this long to install
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> depends wich ones
[16:05] <EriC^^> lol, if it takes long apt should keep it to itself
[16:05] <EriC^^> i think unity8 comprises of a million small packages that's why
[16:06] <EriC^^> it reached GET 100+ while fetching stuff, they're all pretty small too
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:06] <EriC^^> reached them very quickly, i just have 1mb/sec max
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> apt vs windows updates..i know wich to choose!
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> !info unity8
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> !info unity yakkety
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> oops
[16:07] <EriC^^> ok moment of truth
[16:07] <EriC^^> brb
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> !info unity8 yakkety
[16:12] <ducasse> checked my machines for removed packages wit residual config earlier today, the list was terrifying. to get rid of them, run this: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' | xargs /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/dpkg --purge
[16:12] <ducasse> *with
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> wb
[16:15] <EriC^^> thx
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> siema grzegorz
[16:15] <EriC^^> it's kind of shitty
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: still alot of work isnt it
[16:16] <EriC^^> the mouse feels funny, didn't have a launcher
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> hmm, launcher should be there
[16:16] <EriC^^> just a window that said browser, and store, and check apps, browser doesn't open store pretty much empty
[16:17] <EriC^^> the notification in the top is like windows 10, if you click on wifi it opens a huge black bar to the bottom of the screen and you can click on other stuff like power etc to switch between them too
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> yep
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> sounds still the same as when it came out
[16:18] <EriC^^> i did like the busy sign while the browser was loading, kind of silly but it's a nice touch
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> i really wonder if they will get it right on time for yakkety release..
[16:18] <ducasse> you guys usually run unity?
[16:18] <EriC^^> it was like 3 dots swirling and you can see the 3 dots, sort of like the ubuntu logo i think
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: im a unity fan indeed
[16:19] <EriC^^> i doubt for yakkety
[16:19] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: unity 8 will _never_ be finished for yakkety. no chance in hell.
[16:19] <EriC^^> it seemed empty
[16:19] <EriC^^> and the mouse feels really funny, like graphics are odd, i guess it's the mir
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i like the fact that unity is ease for noob machines also
[16:20] <EriC^^> ducasse: yes i use unity too
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> my 76y old father never got it crashed yet
[16:21] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: i can agree with that. if i were to set up a machine for a newbie, i would probably use mate or xfce, though.
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: well, i also like xubuntu but i prefer only on older boxes
[16:21] <EriC^^> i thought it was odd when i first got ubuntu that it had no menu
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: as some stuff on xubuntu isnt as simple as unity
[16:22] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: my desktop used to be xubuntu, but i've switched all of them to i3 by now. light on resources and fast :)
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> i should probably test it also :p
[16:23] <OerHeks> i use unity, else i end up with unused ram
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: but i3 isnt really for noobs right
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: lol
[16:24] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: no, that's true. it's a different way of using a gui.
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> and tweaked, unity is fast as rocket aswell
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> thats the good news of xenial under the hood
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> faster boot/shutdown/dash and systemd
[16:25] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: it has gl-accelerated almost everything, doesn't it?
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[16:25] <EriC^^> time to fix unity
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:25] <EriC^^> lol something called mediascanner is going through my ext hdd like nuts using cpu
[16:26] <EriC^^> cpu 93'c
[16:27] <ducasse> EriC^^: it can probably be disabled.
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> oO
[16:27] <EriC^^> looks like a service or something
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> not sure if its wise to disable
[16:28] <EriC^^> it says mediascanner-ex and mediascanner-se
[16:29] <ducasse> EriC^^: looks like it just indexes media files for easy/fast search.
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> !info mediascanner
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1294303
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !info mediascanner2
[16:30] <EriC^^> !find mediascanner-ex
[16:30] <ducasse> !info mediascanner2.0
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx
[16:31] <ducasse> look at apt show's description :)
[16:31] <ducasse> "This package provides the media scanner service."
[16:31] <ducasse> :)
[16:31] <EriC^^> it seems it was installed by unity8
[16:32] <ducasse> that's not very informative :)
[16:32] <EriC^^> i think i should better remove everything it installed
[16:33] <ducasse> unity8 is just for devs at this point.
[16:33] <EriC^^> yeah
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> purge yep
[16:34] <EriC^^> i think i'm screwed though, the list has dbus i think and other stuff
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> let em play around for a bit
[16:34] <ducasse> EriC^^: it won't remove anything in use by other parts of the system.
[16:34] <ducasse> at least, it shouldn't.
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:34] <EriC^^> yeah i mean if i remove the actual list from history.log
[16:35] <EriC^^> let me try to uninstall the metapackage and try autoremove
[16:35] <EriC^^> nice
[16:35] <ducasse> EriC^^: that's the recommended way (metapackage + autoremove)
[16:36] <EriC^^> metapackage 55kb disk space will be freed
[16:36] <EriC^^> autoremove,
[16:36] <ducasse> autoremove will take the rest.
[16:36] <EriC^^> 1 point 6 mega bytes
[16:37] <EriC^^> lol, i'm doomed now
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:37]  * ducasse wonders whether to order the mikrotik box or not...
[16:38] <EriC^^> i had written a script once that takes 1 de and another de and tries to completely remove it while keeping the first de and it's packages
[16:38] <EriC^^> it wasn't very reliable though, it used apt-rdepends and debfoster to get the list and stuff so i never really used it or recommended it to anyone
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: i hear good things on pfsense, sure you want to spend money on the hardware?
[16:39] <EriC^^> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16736101
[16:39] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: my pfsense box died, new hardware for that would be more expensive.
[16:39] <ducasse> i need new hardware either way.
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ah
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ##hardware or #netfilter guys might give you hints on it?
[16:41] <ducasse> i asked in ##mikrotik, and for my needs this box should have good performance. i really want something that is "set up and forget" and regularly patched.
[16:41] <EriC^^> i might be able to use /var/log/dpkg.log to get the new packages it actually installed
[16:42] <ducasse> EriC^^: autoremove _should_ get everything, possibly except packages that fulfill recommends: or suggests: of other installed packages.
[16:43] <EriC^^> ducasse: nah it doesn't remove much
[16:43] <EriC^^> it literally rmoved 1.6mb of packages
[16:43] <EriC^^> like 4-6 or so, it installed like a 100
[16:44] <EriC^^> mir this mir that
[16:44] <EriC^^> i just need to know if history.log will show packages that are already on the system or not
[16:45] <ducasse> EriC^^: yes, it will show you exactly what was installed.
[16:46] <ducasse> EriC^^: this is why the debian devs wants 'apt undo'
[16:47] <EriC^^> this is what it installed http://termbin.com/6q35
[16:47] <EriC^^> ducasse: yeah, arch has had it for a long time, pacman with recursive remove
[16:48] <ducasse> oh, $deity, so many firefox tabs! i'm a monster!
[16:48] <ducasse> ;)
[16:48] <EriC^^> that's why i tried to make that de removal script
[16:48] <EriC^^> everybody installs another de to try it and they can't remove the extra packages later
[16:49] <EriC^^> it doesn't work though, debfoster somehow recommended pastebinit to be removed, it showed up as a dependency in xubuntu
[16:49] <EriC^^> and not in unity
[16:49] <EriC^^> i'll try it on my pc just to see the list it gives and maybe diff it with that one
[16:52] <EriC^^> it gave a very tiny list
[16:52] <EriC^^> http://termbin.com/3eqi
[16:53] <EriC^^> i had made it very conservative in the end, it uses debfoster also also apt-rdepends and takes the minimum, it's not really accurate and nice though
[16:54] <ducasse> hmmm, no suggestions from me, i'm afraid.
[16:54] <EriC^^> history.log is my only hope
[16:55] <EriC^^> that program sucks, nobody should ever use it
[16:55] <EriC^^> the script i mean
[16:55] <EriC^^> anyways i'll try to remove the metapackage, and uninstall one random package from it, and see what history.log looks like after i try to reinstall the metapackage
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner
[16:57] <EriC^^> cool, history.log only lists the newly installed one, not the metapackage contents
[16:57] <ducasse> EriC^^: probably the best way to go.
[16:59] <ducasse> EriC^^: you might also look at the relevant entry in term.log
[16:59] <EriC^^> yeah that's also a good idea
[17:00] <EriC^^> forgot about that
[17:02] <ducasse> the developers of apt have trouble with handling this properly, so don't be sad your script is not perfect :)
[17:02] <ducasse> EriC^^: ^^
[17:06] <EriC^^> hehe :)
[17:06] <EriC^^> ok done removing the packages, time to see if it'll reboot
[17:06] <EriC^^> :D
[17:06] <EriC^^> brb
[17:09] <EriC^^> seems still working
[17:10] <Switches> EriC^^: That's a bonus then
[17:10] <EriC^^> :D
[17:10] <ducasse> EriC^^: good, but unity8 is gone?
[17:10] <EriC^^> yeah i think so
[17:11] <EriC^^> i used the list from history.log and used sed to remove the things between ()
[17:11] <EriC^^> then xargs -a list sudo apt-get purge
[17:12] <EriC^^> oh man
[17:12] <EriC^^> i tried apt install <unity8 package> to see the size it's going to say that it's going to install, it said 130mb
[17:12] <EriC^^> i think it said something like 52mb before
[17:13] <EriC^^> lol can someone run sudo apt install unity8-desktop-session-mir
[17:13] <EriC^^> then cancel it when it asks to continue or not? just check the size it says after install
[17:13] <EriC^^> oh ok, it says need to get 32mb  i think that's what i glimpsed before
[17:13] <EriC^^> would appreciate the check though!
[17:16] <pauljw> mine says 33mb
[17:17] <EriC^^> to be downloaded? or additional space will be used?
[17:17] <ducasse> mine says 298mb :)
[17:17] <pauljw> to be downloaded, 131mb additional EriC^^
[17:17] <EriC^^> pauljw: ah ok, cool
[17:18] <ducasse> (additional. 90mb to be downloaded)
[17:18] <EriC^^> it's like mine, you're using unity?
[17:19] <pauljw> i'm using unity, yes.
[17:19] <ducasse> mine isn't.
[17:19] <EriC^^> ok, cool, thanks guy :)
[17:19] <EriC^^> *guys
[17:19] <pauljw> :)
[17:41] <ducasse> BluesKaj: maybe we should move the sound discussion here, instead of cluttering up #ubuntu?
[17:42] <BluesKaj> well, I would but I still have my back lawn to cut ;-)
[17:42] <BluesKaj> BBIAB
[17:44] <ducasse> :)