[05:16] <magespawn> good morning
[05:50] <mazal> Morning
[06:01] <anton_may> 0/
[06:14] <chesedo> morning magespawn mazal anton_may and all others
[06:19] <theblazehen> Morning magespawn,mazal,anton_may,chesedo
[06:20] <chesedo> hi theblazehen, how are you?
[06:20] <theblazehen> Alright and you chesedo?
[06:20] <chesedo> good good ty theblazehen
[07:27] <inetpro> goeie more
[07:28] <mazal> Hi guys , do one need to restart to get disk related updates to take effect ?
[07:28] <mazal> mount , uuid and fdisk components updated
[07:31] <inetpro> uh oh!
[07:36] <anton_may> for fdisk just issue mount -a
[07:37] <mazal> NVM , was hpoing they fixed the KDE bug of formatting memory sticks , but it's just worse now in fact
[07:37] <mazal> Now the system applet for usb devices crashes also
[07:38] <anton_may> why not just mount it normal way?
[07:38] <mazal> anton_may, no I'm not struggling with mounting
[07:38] <anton_may> k
[07:39] <mazal> Just wanted to know if the changes would be actibe without booting , but rebooted anyway
[07:39] <mazal> active*
[07:40] <mazal> Where is oom kilos ?
[07:41] <anton_may> slaap seker nog
[07:41] <mazal> Hope he is ok
[07:50] <Kilos> morning all. power just returned
[07:51] <Kilos> copper snapped off at the copper to all crimping lug
[07:53] <Kilos> copper to ally
[07:54] <Kilos> sparkeys blame the cold
[07:55] <MaNI> sounds like a terrible crimping job to me
[07:55] <Kilos> yeah ill look at it with a magnifying glass
[07:56] <Kilos> seems the copper snapped ogg at the en of the lug
[07:56] <Kilos> s/ogg/off
[07:56] <Kilos> then that shorted onto another phase
[08:01] <MaNI> crazy
[08:02] <Kilos> bit melted hehe
[08:02] <Kilos> maybe a bird was swinging on the loop
[08:32] <urbanslug> You guys, does it snow in South Africa?
[08:35] <theblazehen> urbanslug: Sometimes
[08:44] <MaNI> yes, but not frequently and usually only in certain areas
[08:45] <MaNI> it is not uncommon to find people in JHB for instance who have never seen snow before
[08:47] <MaNI> when it does snow it's usually a light coating on the mountaintops drakensberg/cederberg/helderberg
[08:48] <mazal> Môre oom Kilos
[08:48] <mazal> Was bekommer
[08:48] <mazal> d
[08:50] <Kilos> skuus man. blamerr pta electicity
[09:01] <theblazehen> hey magespawn
[09:56] <magespawn> in and out, sorry, i must just remember to disconnect first
[09:56] <Kilos> np
[10:24] <magespawn> on that note chat later.
[11:24] <mazal> Julle is stil vandag , wat gaan aan ?
[11:26] <Kilos> moeg
[11:32] <mazal> Het nou 'n lekker middagete ingewerk , nou het ek probleem met my oë
[11:34] <magespawn> going again
[11:34] <Kilos> ai!
[11:34] <Kilos> wat eet jy
[11:37] <mazal> Hoender , wors en chips
[11:40] <Kilos> en dit maak probleme met jou oeie?
[11:40] <Kilos> oge
[11:41] <Kilos> daai goed bo en langs jou neus
[11:42] <mazal> Ja , ek kan nou nie myself sien verder werk vandag nie
[11:51] <Kilos> ai!
[15:13] <Kilos> hi kulelu88 
[15:16] <kulelu88> Hi
[17:00] <Kilos> excuse me from this hectic conversation to go have supper
[17:08] <pavlushka> Hello every one?
[17:08] <pavlushka> !
[17:09] <FusionSparc> Hi pavlushka..
[17:10] <pavlushka> Hello FusionSparc !
[17:10] <pavlushka> how are you?
[17:10] <FusionSparc> good and you?
[17:11] <pavlushka> I am ok, thanks!
[17:11] <FusionSparc> Where you from pavlushka?
[17:12] <pavlushka> From Bangladesh.
[17:14] <FusionSparc> I see,you new to the channel or been here before?
[17:15] <pavlushka> For some months
[17:15] <pavlushka> and You?
[17:16] <FusionSparc> ok, a few Months as well.
[17:16] <pavlushka> You people here are very welcoming, its nice.
[17:17] <FusionSparc> Any favourite Linux distro's?
[17:17] <FusionSparc> Yes, most members are quite helpful in their fields.. :)
[17:18] <pavlushka> Ubuntu itself and Ubuntu-MATE and I use xubuntu as well.
[17:18] <pavlushka> these are my favs.
[17:19] <FusionSparc> Ok, I started with Xubuntu but Kubuntu Won my vote.. :P
[17:19] <pavlushka> and curious about lubuntu
[17:19] <FusionSparc> ok, Have not played with Lubuntu yet though..
[17:19] <pavlushka> my pc is of low config, I cant indulge Kubuntu.
[17:20] <FusionSparc> hehe, I know your pain...Ubuntu Mate should work well, nicely balanced interface with most things you need bundled..
[17:21] <pavlushka> yes, I just love that.
[17:23] <FusionSparc> The Gui repo installer I'm not too fond of,feels limited somehow but thats just me..
[17:23] <pavlushka> me too, I always use apt-get and now just apt.
[17:24] <Kilos> hi FusionSparc kde rocks
[17:25] <pavlushka> and Here he come, smelling Kubuntu, :p
[17:25] <Kilos> lol
[17:25] <FusionSparc> Hi Kilos...Yes it does..:P
[17:26] <pavlushka> both K rocks
[17:27] <FusionSparc> Probably the most popular DE out there....
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz see inetpro 
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: What?
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly 
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 2 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes and 57 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-25 07:17:29 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-05-22 22:31:15 PDT
[17:27] <Kilos> oh my so long
[17:27] <Kilos> Maaz seen inetpro 
[17:27] <Maaz> Kilos: inetpro was last seen 9 hours, 56 minutes and 26 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-27 00:31:17 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-05-22 07:43:15 PDT
[17:27] <pavlushka> maaz seen inetpro 
[17:27] <Maaz> pavlushka: inetpro was last seen 9 hours, 56 minutes and 36 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-27 00:31:17 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-05-22 07:43:15 PDT
[17:29] <pavlushka> maaz what inetpro 's frequency? is it 10 hours?
[17:29] <Maaz> pavlushka: One learns a new thing every day
[17:30] <Kilos> he is getting old so we must make allowances
[17:45] <Kilos> yay, it came back
[17:45] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[17:45]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[17:47] <inetpro> Maaz: last set factoid
[17:47] <Maaz> inetpro: It was: what inetpro 's frequency
[17:47] <squish101> enjoying working from home... when there isn't too much work to do
[17:47] <inetpro> Maaz: forget what inetpro 's frequency
[17:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[17:47] <inetpro> good evening
[17:48] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[17:48] <Kilos> hi Guest62041 
[17:48] <Kilos> ai!
[17:49] <pavlushka> hello Kilos !
[17:49] <pavlushka> Heya inetpro !
[17:49] <squish101> i lost a number there :(
[17:49] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:49] <inetpro> squish102: why not squish103?
[17:49] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <squish102> only next year ;\
[17:50] <inetpro> ai!
[17:50] <Kilos> you ok inetpro ?
[17:50] <inetpro> good, good and you?
[17:50] <Kilos> the fly been gone a long time
[17:51] <Kilos> im ok ty
[17:51] <inetpro> you back from aussieland yet?
[17:51] <Kilos> havent even left yet man
[17:51] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:51] <Kilos> still waiting for cop clearance to be passed
[17:52] <Kilos> sigh
[17:52] <Kilos> inetpro question
[17:52] <Kilos> i added a new server in konversation
[17:53] <Kilos> but i can open this one or that one
[17:53] <Kilos> for mattermost that is
[17:53] <Kilos> aquarat why so silent
[17:53] <Kilos> and ambo_ ?
[17:54] <Kilos> half the room is afk
[17:54] <Kilos> wb chesedo 
[17:54] <inetpro> Kilos: there's a command field together with the server setup stuff?
[17:55] <Kilos> yes
[17:55] <inetpro> add the command '/msg mattermost login your@email.address YourMattermostPassword' in there 
[17:55] <Kilos> ok ty
[18:08] <chesedo> ty Kilos
[18:09] <Kilos> Maaz it doesnt work
[18:09] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:10] <Kilos> Maaz it doesn't work
[18:10] <Maaz> Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.
[18:13] <Kilos> inetpro what does one use to edit ibid.db
[18:13] <Kilos> i tried kate and nano and sqlite
[18:14] <Kilos> or must one rather edit the source code
[18:20] <paddatrapper> Kilos: some SQL server (should be sqlite) should allow you to execute commands on it 
[18:20] <Kilos> oh my
[18:20] <Kilos> i was just trying to edit it here
[18:21] <Kilos> we need to look into making bots use duckduckgo instead of google too
[18:21] <Kilos> whew
[18:50] <paddatrapper> Definitely 
[18:51] <Kilos> i had the source code  about 3 pcs back when magespqwn and i wanted to teach it to braai but that was heavy
[18:59] <paddatrapper> Pray tell, how does source code braai? 
[18:59] <Kilos> hahahaha man
[18:59] <paddatrapper> And where has this braaing source code been all my life?? 
[19:00] <Kilos> we were trying to teach maaz how to braai not just make coffee
[19:00] <Kilos> i actually had a clone of me i think at one time that could braai
[19:00] <paddatrapper> Lol nice. Good idea 
[19:01] <paddatrapper> Maaz: braai some wors 
[19:01] <Maaz> paddatrapper: Sorry...
[19:01] <Kilos> oh gremble also worked on making ibids do the braai thing
[19:01] <paddatrapper> I'll take a look at the code next week hopefully, this weekend is crazy
[19:02] <Kilos> where did you get the code
[19:02] <Kilos> github too difficult for me
[19:02] <Kilos> push pull stuff sucks
[19:02] <Kilos> i like .deb
[19:03] <Kilos> right click install with gdebi
[19:03] <paddatrapper> git clone git@github.com:paddatrapper/ibid.git
[19:04] <paddatrapper> Then compile and run. That way I can edit the source, recompile and test again 
[19:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:05] <paddatrapper> I just need to get it running 
[19:05] <Kilos> there are commands to use
[19:05] <Kilos> ibid-setup
[19:06] <Kilos> next week man
[19:06] <paddatrapper> Yup. That's what's throwing it's toys about about the DB
[19:06] <Kilos> you dont have time now
[19:06] <paddatrapper> I can talk about it now, but can't test or implement anything at the moment 
[19:07] <Kilos> oh
[19:07] <Kilos> Maaz tell superfly this is too long away from us sir
[19:07] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[19:08] <Kilos> i need to sleep. maybe some rugger tomorrow
[19:08] <paddatrapper> Who's playing? 
[19:08] <Kilos> oh paddatrapper it doesnt run on ubuntu system after 12.04
[19:09] <Kilos> bulls and lions  but i havent checked who else
[19:09] <paddatrapper> Ah... Dan moet ek 'n plan maak 
[19:09] <Kilos> lol
[19:09] <Kilos> ill announce tomorrow 
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: why edit the database?
[19:10] <Kilos> inetpro you have a better way
[19:10] <Kilos> paddatrapper listen
[19:10] <inetpro> you don't edit the database unless you're a developer
[19:10] <inetpro> you connect to the database with ibid and let the bot do the editing of data
[19:11] <Kilos> thats why i asked paddatrapper to look at it remember
[19:11] <Kilos> oh my
[19:12] <paddatrapper> But when ibid refuses to make the db in the first place, another plan needs to be made 
[19:13] <Kilos> it makes that when installing right?
[19:13] <paddatrapper> When ibid-setup is run
[19:13] <Kilos> ya
[19:14] <Kilos> and you can only do that on 12.04 or using inetpro s workaround
[19:14] <paddatrapper> inetpro's workaround? 
[19:14] <Kilos> in a virtual box thing
[19:14] <paddatrapper> Ah
[19:15] <paddatrapper> Is there any point trying to port it to 14.04/16.04?
[19:15] <Kilos> there is major work to make it work on 14.04
[19:15] <Kilos> well they run
[19:16] <paddatrapper> B
[19:16] <inetpro> paddatrapper: just follow instructions at http://ibid.omnia.za.net/docs/0.1.0/install.html#prerequisites
[19:16] <paddatrapper> How much? 
[19:16] <paddatrapper> Thanks inetpro
[19:16] <Kilos> and we know the commands
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: don't lie
[19:16] <Kilos> about what
[19:16] <inetpro> "you can only do that on 12.04"
[19:17] <Kilos> man , you know what i mean
[19:17] <Kilos> you cant install it directly
[19:17] <inetpro> that's a different story
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> i dont lie
[19:18] <Kilos> rev 21:8
[19:18] <inetpro> point is, you can make it work on new versions of ubuntu 
[19:19] <inetpro> it just requires a bit more effort 
[19:19] <Kilos> yes man but not as it was originally designed
[19:20] <Kilos> used to be a .deb install 
[19:20] <Kilos> no prerequisits and stuff
[19:22] <paddatrapper> The works for straight install and run, developing requires being able to modify and run straight from source. The deb just hides that from you
[19:22] <Kilos> thats why i like them
[19:22] <Kilos> head doesnt need more stress
[19:23] <Kilos> thats for younger guys
[19:23] <paddatrapper> Most things are better as debs
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe it's time to just move on to something else
[19:29] <Kilos> away from i bib inetpro ?
[19:30] <inetpro> it's old, it's complicated and developers have moved on
[19:30] <Kilos> after debconf ill nad the weed to upgrade it
[19:31] <Kilos> s/nab/nag
[19:32] <Kilos> he can spend his next leave rewriting our favourite bot
[19:33] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[19:33] <Kilos> or the idle rich
[19:34] <inetpro> just let it rot away 
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> and we use what? meetingology
[19:35] <Kilos> ai!
[19:35] <inetpro> why not?
[19:35] <Kilos> it cant make coffee
[19:35] <Kilos> or google
[19:35] <inetpro> you can make your own coffee
[19:35] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:35] <Kilos> shup you
[19:36] <theblazehen> inetpro,Kilos how about https://sopel.chat/ ?
[19:37] <Kilos> can it do meeting minutes etc
[19:37] <inetpro> Kilos: see, there's many other alternatives
[19:37] <Kilos> ibid was written for us especislly
[19:37] <Kilos> especially
[19:38] <theblazehen> Kilos: Yes it can
[19:39] <paddatrapper> Looks pretty extensible too - probably can use slang, etc
[19:39] <Kilos> lol
[19:39] <inetpro> the software evolution process does not end at the death of an individual software system but usually continues over generations through being replaced by newly built software
[19:40] <Kilos> eish
[19:40] <Kilos> another github thing
[19:41] <Kilos> ill sulk for a week if we give up on ibid
[19:41] <theblazehen> Kilos: At least it's not sourceforge :) And svn or something..
[19:41] <Kilos> inetpro gdebi has worked from the beginning of ubuntu
[19:42] <Kilos> so can ibid
[19:42] <Kilos> its not impossible
[19:42] <inetpro> very few people prefer to keep working on same project or code base forever
[19:43]  * theblazehen steps out of *this* conversation
[19:43] <Kilos> tumbleweed help
[19:43] <Kilos> tell them it can be done
[19:43] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I do still care about ibid
[19:43] <tumbleweed> I'm just rather busy with debconf right now
[19:44] <theblazehen> Kilos: Just because it can doesn't mean it's a good idea :)
[19:44] <Kilos> yay ty tumbleweed ill find you helpers after debconf
[19:44] <Kilos> paddatrapper you know tumbleweed already
[19:45] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Yes I do
[19:45] <Kilos> he maintained ibid for years and he still cares
[19:45] <Kilos> yay
[19:45] <paddatrapper> tumbleweed: Welcome back to this side of the internet :P
[19:45] <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: :P
[19:45] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I care. But I also have to admit that I haven't touched it in a long time
[19:46] <tumbleweed> getting back into it won't be easy
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: see, you don't have to worry for now :-)
[19:46] <tumbleweed> but I do have to do this at some point :P
[19:46] <Kilos> you re tough so i believe the challenge will be interesting
[19:46] <paddatrapper> DebCamp sprint? lol
[19:46] <tumbleweed> paddatrapper: I'm betting ENOTIME
[19:47] <paddatrapper> Probablu!
[19:47] <paddatrapper> s/Probablu/Probably/
[19:47] <tumbleweed> yeah
[19:48] <Kilos> see inetpro it will happen
[19:48] <Kilos> VW didnt stop making cars because bikes were easier to make
[19:49] <inetpro> that's an invalid argument
[19:49] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:49] <Kilos> ok
[19:50] <Kilos> VW didnt stop making cars with fuel fed engines because electric cars are coming into fashion
[19:50] <inetpro> oom kan nou rustig gaan slaap, voor ek weer die skuld kry...
[19:50] <Kilos> they started making them as well
[19:50] <Kilos> hahahaha
[19:51] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed ill  sleep better tonight
[19:51] <Kilos> you take care
[19:52] <tumbleweed> Kilos: :P
[19:52] <Kilos> night everybody. sleep tight
[19:52] <mazal> Nag oom
[19:53] <Kilos> sjoe jy nog wakker mazal 
[19:53] <mazal> Yep
[19:53] <Kilos> lekker slaap seun'
[19:53] <mazal> Dankie selle daar
[20:02]  * theblazehen isn't getting any work done :(
[20:02] <theblazehen> Guess I'm going to bed. Night all
[20:02] <mazal> Night theblazehen
[20:05] <theblazehen> Nevermind. /me is getting back to work
[20:22] <inetpro> theblazehen: gaan werk nou
[20:22] <theblazehen> inetpro: Yeah, I'm working now :)
[20:23] <inetpro> mazal: wat maak jy so laat?
[20:23] <mazal> Minecraft
[20:23] <inetpro> ai!
[20:24] <mazal> Vrydae aande moet benut word :)
[20:59] <inetpro> https://bryanquigley.com/memory-usage/ubuntu-16-04-livecd-memory-usage-compared
[20:59] <inetpro> Ubuntu 16.04 LiveCD Memory Usage Compared
[20:59] <inetpro> a very intersting little comparison
[21:00] <mazal> Surprising that K is more than unity
[21:01] <inetpro> not really
[21:02] <inetpro> KDE has always been a bit tough on resources
[21:02] <inetpro> I still prefer it above others though
[21:02] <mazal> What I don't get is that my install on fresh boot uses less than that live cd , how is that possible
[21:03] <mazal> Mine's about 780mb
[21:08] <inetpro> live cd will always use more
[21:09] <inetpro> s/always/usually/
[21:11] <mazal> I think that be enoug building for one night , eyes don't see lekker anymore
[21:11] <mazal> Lekker slaap