[08:29] <acheron_uk> KCI fell off it's perch? I notice even it's channel bot has timed out.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:54] <clivejo> acheron_uk: looks like its totally dead
[10:55] <clivejo> starbuck1: is http://kci.pangea.pub offline?
[11:00] <starbuck1> clivejo: i see, it is reported running normal, but maybe something on the server got stuck
[11:00] <starbuck1> will reboot
[11:00] <clivejo> is the www interface responding for you?
[11:01]  * clivejo cant be sure its not his rubbish internet
[11:07] <starbuck1> comes up now after boot: http://kci.pangea.pub/
[11:08] <clivejo> nice one, thanks starbuck1
[11:11] <clivejo> thats one way to have it quiet for a day!
[11:13] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[11:14] <clivejo> hi lordievader
[11:14] <clivejo> acheron_uk: can you fix this one - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/262024669/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.artikulate_4%3A16.04.1+p16.04+git20160528.0025-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:15] <lordievader> Hey clivejo, how are you?
[11:16] <clivejo> lordievader: Im good thankyou
[11:16] <clivejo> and you?
[11:16] <lordievader> Doing good here too :D
[11:18]  * clivejo wonders why he gets a spam email every day from West Elm in brooklyn, ny
[11:22] <acheron_uk> clivejo: I'll have a look later :)
[11:23] <clivejo> Ill go ahead and fix it
[11:23] <clivejo> might as well use this chance to fix stuff when KCI is quite
[11:24] <clivejo> quiet
[11:24] <acheron_uk> no probs. I'll look at the log later, decide what I would do, then have a look to see what you actually did
[11:39] <clivejo> looks like I wont be able to use it
[12:10] <acheron_uk> clivejo: ok. adding that dep is what I concluded
[12:12] <acheron_uk> the kicker patch in kubuntu_stable (and merged since into unstable) now causes both to fail on KCI as is already applied upstream 
[12:13] <acheron_uk> does that get reverted/removed? or does it have to stay somewhere as is still in theory valid for 5.6.4 (e.g backports ppa)?
[12:27] <acheron_uk> on artikulate, still fails as looks like they switched backends so qtgstreamerbackend.so is no longer being built
[12:27] <acheron_uk> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=artikulate.git&a=commitdiff&h=88df2ed701d5cbf6106adf509c5a26132c51f267&hp=c759fb95a6f6c119872cd84b29a8511531d6db7f
[13:24] <sitter> maxyz: https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=show&project_id=97
 Acheron_uk that's why we need branches
 They track the different archives and ppas
[18:43] <acheron_uk> yes, I get that
[18:49] <Niklas__> hey
[18:51] <acheron_uk> clivejo: but rather defeats the point if it is put into the stable branch to fix 5.6.4 in the ppa, and then that stable branch is merged with stable/unstable, and KCI pulls from both of those resulting in broken builds since it has been patched upstream
[18:52] <clivejo> stable should be 5.6.4
[18:52] <clivejo> unstable is git master
[18:59] <acheron_uk> clivejo: KCI stable is the upstream stable + and changes in their git that will be the next stable point release, yes? 
[19:02]  * jimarvan waves
[19:04] <clivejo> acheron_uk: sounds right
[19:04] <clivejo> what was the package needs the patches removed?
[19:04] <clivejo> hi jimarvan
[19:06] <acheron_uk> clivejo: ah. I think I was getting the 2 patches you applied for me mixed up. they have such similar messages when just looking at the log, I thought the 1st had been applied in both when it really wasn't
[19:08] <clivejo> if and when the patch is applied upstream, it needs to be removed from unstable for it to build properly
[19:08] <acheron_uk> yep
[19:09] <acheron_uk> that fact was never unclear
[19:09] <clivejo> KCI is to try and give us a head start with upcoming changes
[19:09] <clivejo> so we can package them as the changed happen
[19:10] <clivejo> but its like a stack of cards
[19:11] <clivejo> if something breaks low down, the whole lot comes tumbling down!
[19:11] <acheron_uk> yes, I realised that from the start. all filters down in the end meaning if you keep on top of that, your eventual job packaging for the real distro/paas will be much easier
[19:12] <acheron_uk> ha. I like the pack of cards comparison
[19:13] <clivejo> and then LP issues dont help either
[19:14] <acheron_uk> not sure, but looked from the logs the LP went AWOL for a short time in the wee hours last night
[19:15] <clivejo> ah
[19:16] <clivejo> kio seems to be looking for the packaging on debian - git.debian.org:/git/pkg-kde/frameworks/kio
[19:20] <acheron_uk> xenial_stable_plasma-desktop was failing on 'upstream_include_cmath_c++_fix.diff' http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_plasma-desktop/65/console
[19:21] <acheron_uk> 'Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Skipping patch.'
[19:27] <acheron_uk> and similarly xenial_stable_plasma-desktop if failing on 'upstream_fix_kicker_recent_documents.diff' as that is upstream
[19:29] <acheron_uk> it was those 2 I was getting mixed up earlier, switching between multiple browser tabs
[19:32] <acheron_uk> ^^^ I mean UNsnable on the 2nd of those FFS. lol
[19:33] <acheron_uk> or even *UNstable
[19:33] <acheron_uk> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-desktop/141/console 
[19:57] <acheron_uk> also I don't get the logic of this merge https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-desktop/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=59ebd3a35fc8d2f56dea7758325bfcc79d6989de
[19:58] <acheron_uk> as it took that patch into unstable where it wasn't needed and would conflict
[20:01] <sitter> it doesn't know that
[20:02] <acheron_uk> I gathered now
[20:14]  * acheron_uk should pay more attention to origin of the merge messages
[20:28] <acheron_uk> at least I can see what has happened and why now
[20:29]  * acheron_uk hits git with a quantum physics textbook
[20:30] <acheron_uk> both confusing
[20:37] <clivejo> I need to learn how to work CI
[20:41] <acheron_uk> you have access now?
[20:51] <clivejo> not sure
[20:51] <clivejo> yofel added me to something
[20:52]  * clivejo doesnt feel well
[20:52] <clivejo> there weather feels so heavy and humid
[20:53] <jimarvan> where? :)
[20:53] <clivejo> here
[20:53] <jimarvan> ah
[20:53] <clivejo> my head feels like its gonna explode
[20:54] <jimarvan> same here, cant see after 5 meters, too dense fog
[20:54] <jimarvan> thank god for champions league :P
[20:55] <clivejo> a good storm would clear the air, but I doubt that as my neighbour is cutting sillage
[20:56] <acheron_uk> I saw you got added to the kubuntu-kci-gods team whatever that is
[20:57] <clivejo> yeah, I got an email about that
[20:57] <acheron_uk> warm/humid here as well, but so far so good
[21:00] <clivejo> cant seem to hold a train of though
[22:45] <clivejo> valorie: did you install apps 16.04.1?
[22:53] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I have apps staging enabled on YY, running updates now.  What would you like me to check?
[22:53] <clivejo> just check it installs and the apps work as expected
[22:54] <clivejo> Im having issues with korganizer 
[22:54] <clivejo> and not having any luck finding someone to answer my bug report
[23:01] <valorie> oh, lemme start up my old laptop
[23:01] <valorie> got caught up in genealogy.....
[23:03] <valorie> the mysteries of the past are easier than those of the present, sometimes
[23:06] <clivejo> I cant settle my head to the past or present
[23:09] <DarinMiller> korganizer not installed, unmet depends libkf5calendarsupport5  + 6 other pacs.
[23:10] <clivejo> can you pastebin the output#
[23:14] <darin> clivejo: https://paste.kde.org/ph3utetaw
[23:15] <clivejo> do you know which of those it is having the problems with
[23:16] <DarinMiller> how do I check?
[23:18] <clivejo> see what it says when you try to install each of the ones its complaining about
[23:19] <clivejo> see if you can whittle it down to one problem package
[23:19] <darin> trying now...
[23:26] <valorie> hmmm, this old lappy doesn't want to boot into plasma
[23:26] <valorie> I haz tty....
[23:28] <valorie> at least tty6
[23:29] <valorie> trying again
[23:32] <valorie> nope, only tty6
[23:32] <valorie> it doesn't seem to be online
[23:33] <valorie> not sure how to proceed, actually
[23:35] <valorie> wire works, at least
[23:36] <valorie> so I'll finish upgrading, then add back staging-plasma, then try staging-apps or whatever it's actually called
[23:45] <valorie> yay I have plasma back
[23:45] <valorie> I think
[23:46] <valorie> nope, starts but never lets me login
[23:46] <valorie> just gray
[23:46] <acheron_uk> I 'll try in a YY VM tomorrow if it'll help
[23:47] <valorie> now I get tty 1-6
[23:47] <valorie> no clue what to do next....
[23:48] <valorie> startx still gray
[23:49] <DarinMiller> valorie, had same issue the other day.  Packages moved around and I had to install all 3 staging PPA's followed by updates to make everything work.
[23:49] <DarinMiller> is your network up in your tty?
[23:50] <valorie> wire is
[23:50] <valorie> no wifi
[23:51] <DarinMiller> ensure apps, FW and plasma ppa are enabled, run updates and plasma should start after that.
[23:52] <valorie> thanks, DarinMiller, trying that
[23:52] <valorie> now dist-upgrading
[23:54] <valorie> and rebooting
[23:56] <valorie> nope, no plasma
[23:57] <darin> Ok I have tried installing everything that pops up and summarize the trail here: https://paste.kde.org/p2l3dcmmy
[23:58] <clivejo> ah!
[23:58] <acheron_uk> DarinMiller: you may need to enable proposed to get libical2
[23:58] <clivejo> darin: libical2 is in proposed
[23:58] <acheron_uk> had that the other day
[23:58] <clivejo> me too, and totally forgot about it