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daftykinsnew one on me00:41
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/97pnqycygeyp9m9/paypal_issue.PNG?dl=000:41
m0nkey_TAX DODGE!00:42
penguin42that must be a real pain00:44
daftykinsit's not stopped me before from ebay items, this was ifixit europe00:45
daftykinschanged from "UK Guernsey" to "UK", took the £2.50 VAT hit and now it's on its' way :P00:45
daftykinsquite tired of being a second class citizen though00:45
penguin42haha so you just list it as UK but specify the right postcode?00:46
m0nkey_heh, i said it was a tax dodge :P00:46
daftykinsindeed!00:46
daftykinsand shunted a couple of fields back so i could put 'Guernsey' as my city00:46
m0nkey_anyone know of any decent open source monitoring tools that aren't nagios?00:47
daftykins'fraid not00:49
penguin42m0nkey_: I've heard of but not tried opennms00:51
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/xs5xgzsa8np9666/IMG_20160528_043131.jpg?dl=003:38
daftykinsan ex glass/digitiser XD03:39
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.09:14
* zmoylan-pi fires up 80s fact of the day dos app... 'ian fleming b.1908'09:32
diddledan<troll> “I’m running umbunto warty. how I upgrade 16.4?"11:56
diddledanthat’s pretty much everything wrong with the internet morons11:56
zmoylan-piyes, it's leenux ubunto warty... :-P11:58
diddledanI blow my nose in your general direction12:46
* zmoylan-pi builds giant wooden rabbit and prepares trebuchet... 13:02
diddledanRUN AWAY!13:08
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs13:09
popeydownloaded all of england OSM, did a search for various tags, there appears to be only one place that is tagged yurts in the whole of the UK13:10
penguin42where?13:10
popeyand one tagged winniedepooh 😖13:10
popeylets see13:10
zmoylan-piwhereas loads of places are tagged mine....13:11
popeyhm, this isn't as easy as I thought  😃13:11
popeyI want to extract a bunch of points of interest, like maybe some statues, post boxes and a few other things13:12
popeyI'll settle for just statues for now13:12
popeyso far I grabbed the gb pbf file from geofabrik, and converted with osmconvert to o5m format, then used osmfilter to extract stuff, but it generates many many GB xml files13:13
popeyneed to limit it a bit further, kills my laptop doing this, giant IO wait13:13
zmoylan-pipoints of interest... post boxes... :-P13:13
penguin42those are GB files for GB?13:13
popeyyes13:14
popeyzmoylan-pi: yeah, not especially interested in those13:15
popeyit's for a game13:15
penguin42this a scavenger hunt type of thing?13:15
popeybit like ingress. I want to find some points in the UK that people can go to and find/do something13:15
popeyyeah13:15
popeybut want to make the sourcing of the points of interest easy13:15
popeyas people outside the UK may play, want to use some specific tags which might work everywhere, or is that perhaps optimistic :)13:16
popeyhttp://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=tourism%3Dartwork and http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=historic%3Dmemorial look good13:16
popeyhmmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/16768306/13:37
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penguin42I do like the waffle irons on the SpaceX rockets15:02
zmoylan-pitakes care of any passing seagulls15:03
brobostigonhow do i tell apache which php version to use? if i have several php versions installed?15:27
penguin42hmm apparently the Beeb have commissioned a new series of HHGttG16:01
penguin42(radio based on 'And Another Thing'16:01
zmoylan-pii'd prefer more cabin pressure at this point16:14
zmoylan-pibecause they'd have to recast a lot of parts for the series and it would feel just a little off16:16
penguin42it's not impossible it would work; just slightly improbable16:18
* zmoylan-pi plugs improbability drive into piece of fairy cake and a really strong cup of tea16:19
diddledanm0nkey_: there is icing, which is nagios-like in that it reuses nagios agents17:16
diddledanincinga**\17:16
diddledanicinga**17:17
diddledandamned interfering mac osx17:17
m0nkey_I found the motherload17:18
m0nkey_http://omdistro.org/start17:18
m0nkey_it includes icinga17:18
m0nkey_It has Nagios + plugins, NagVis, Icinga, pnp4nagios, rrdtool, check_mk, and ton of other stuff pre-installed and configured17:19
penguin42interesting17:21
diddledanwhy both nagios and icinga installed together? o_O17:23
diddledanseems redundant17:23
m0nkey_not sure, about to try it17:24
m0nkey_why doesn't anyone provide KVM qcow2 images for 'appliances'?17:26
m0nkey_how the heck do you say 'icinga' .. because ici.. french, here.. nga.. ummmm. wont go there17:36
penguin42I'm never sure if it's eye-king-ah or icing-ah17:36
foobarryi use adagios18:50
foobarrynagios but the bad bits fixed18:50
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SwitchesEvening ubunuts!20:34
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sebThreeM10whitehi21:38
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Curiously long nick you have there22:18
sebThreeM10whitepenguin42: yeah, but you know who I am, and what my knick means right :)?22:18
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Well, I suspect I know who you are, but the rest of the name, hmmm - I'm not sure what the M10 is - I mean Daystrom only went upto m522:20
Switchessebsebseb: Got a White BQ M10 then :p22:22
zmoylan-pitis the ubuntu phone22:22
penguin4210 is the tablet?22:23
Switchesyeah22:23
sebThreeM10whiteSwitches: yep bingo and the white is the HD, not the black one that most of the fan boys got22:24
sebThreeM10whitethat's F HD22:24
sebThreeM10whiteI may get one of those at a much later date as well22:24
sebThreeM10whitebut that's really low on my things I may want to buy that are tech list :d22:24
sebThreeM10whitesince I hav this one :)22:24
penguin42sebThreeM10white: So, how are you liking it?22:24
Switches720p screen rather than the 1080p? or is a 900p?22:25
sebThreeM10whitePaulW2U: well using it instead of lap top right now with blue tooth keyboards:d22:25
sebThreeM10whiteuh for penguin4222:25
penguin42nod22:25
sebThreeM10whiteswitches something like that, but I bought htis at a time when I was short enough on money for 40 pounds or so difference to actsually be quite a lot22:25
sebThreeM10whiteswitches plus I like having the one thats the like rejected one h e h eh or mostly rjected, well if you read the things I did on omgubuntu etc I mean he heh22:26
SwitchesWell tbh mate I don't see the point in all the Full HD screens in tabs and phones... but thats just me22:26
sebThreeM10whiteat least osmeone else has the white one though, since there was a review he did that went on there22:26
sebThreeM10whiteswitches whys that?22:27
* sebThreeM10white prefers the colour white now for tech as well, black is so uhmm standard common and boring22:27
sebThreeM10whiteas for the camera yes the other one has a bit of a better one but genreally the one I ghot here should be fine enough.  altough the app crashed the other day when I was trying to  take a more detailed photo with it hmm22:27
penguin42Switches: I dunno, full HD is reasonable; the quad-hd is getting a bit silly; the size of a pixel for a full-hd tablet at arms length is similar to a full HD TV at TV distance22:28
SwitchesWell you can't really stream Full HD over most the "cheaper" versions Wireless connections, mine only streams 720p with a 900p screen. but then I'm just a cheap bastard22:28
sebThreeM10whiteswitches its pretty much the same hardware excpet for a few little differences22:28
* sebThreeM10white thinks that yes for basic such as IRC email play8ing msuic etc, sure can replace a lap top nicely with these Ubuntu devices really, but can also do more than just basics with them, espeically once got xmir set up to do so :d22:29
SwitchesI can understand that some need the higher resolutions with things like Miracast becoming more of a thing (and Convergence stuff). But I mean just for walking around22:29
sebThreeM10whiteswitches yeah or your popey and anyting with a less res is now seen as bad22:30
sebThreeM10whitea low res22:30
Switches:p22:30
sebThreeM10whitesebThreeM10white: penguin I think the xmir feature is going to be more interesting than convergence :d22:31
sebThreeM10whitefor penguin42 switches22:31
penguin42sebThreeM10white: What do you mean by switches?22:31
sebThreeM10whitethat's his nick22:31
penguin42oh22:32
sebThreeM10whitethe tablet has a demo of some of the desktop linux apps on it by default22:32
sebThreeM10whitefirefox, gedit, the gimp and xchat gnome22:32
sebThreeM10whiteand libre office22:32
penguin42right, all that stuff should just work22:32
penguin42and it's got 2GB of RAM so it should be useful (even if it's just A53 cores)22:32
sebThreeM10whitehowever there's a way to hack that so it can run lots of other things, vlc and yep yep yep lots of stuff,,but it's getting offical support worked on now well i MEAN IN A  more suprted way]22:32
sebThreeM10whiteI think the next over the air up date has the like start of that being more supported etc more properly, no need for the hack22:33
sebThreeM10whitewant other stuff ok22:33
SwitchesWell Xmir isn't really a "future" thinking thing though, it's more a "keep old stuff going for now" thing. I don't find it that interesting, I do understand the need for it though22:33
* penguin42 doubts X is going to disappear quickly22:33
sebThreeM10whiteswitches well yes it's to make the old desktop linux stuff work, but it's still interesting :)22:33
sebThreeM10whitecertain stuff wont' work with it, but it should be able to run most things in the future :)22:33
SwitchesWhat's got me interested at the mo is Mir having Vulkan support22:33
penguin42oh yeh I must look at Vulkan22:34
sebThreeM10whiteVulkan sounds familur, what's that?22:34
SwitchesVulkan is going to change a lot of thinking22:34
SwitchesReplacement for OpenGL22:34
SwitchesUsed to be called AMD Mantle22:34
sebThreeM10whiteoh right yeah that22:34
sebThreeM10whiteI think read about that before22:34
sebThreeM10whiteor possibly22:34
sebThreeM10whiteswitches I see that as an advantage being able to run well thousands of Desktop Linux programs on the Ubuntu devices :)22:35
sebThreeM10whiteand well enough for most of them to I guess, well in the future, xmir is still experimental etc now it seems22:35
SwitchesYeah it's a "low level" graphics API, exposes a lot more hardware resources and allows a lot better resource management22:35
sebThreeM10whitewell I havrn't reid the hack thing,  was meaning to.  but I know can get vlc and inkscape and lots of things working like that22:36
sebThreeM10whitebut libertine is goingg to have like more proper support in the GUI etc in Ubuntu touch  for that kind of thing so22:36
Switchesyeah libertine sounds interesting22:37
sebThreeM10whitesebThreeM10white: yeah thats for xmir what it uses etc22:37
sebThreeM10whiteuh for switches22:37
* sebThreeM10white probably doesnt really need to try and highlight now anyway switches is around and probably penguin42 as well22:38
SwitchessebThreeM10white: Yeah it looks to have a lot of advantages22:38
sebThreeM10whiteSwitches: penguin42 I should have probably said  how great the chrome book was the other day,  to my older brother, even if not quite what I thought, since now since his WIndows computer got slow, hes bought a cheap net book with WIndows 10 instead hmm22:39
Switcheslol22:39
sebThreeM10whitea chromebook would have at least been lLinux hmm22:39
SwitchesChromebooks are pretty amazing tbf22:39
sebThreeM10whiteswitches yeah he's been using a lapt op with WIndows 7 for quite a few years now22:40
penguin42there are a few that are actually good spec now as well; but still most are pretty poor22:40
sebThreeM10whiteI said  something about the OS  being to basic,  probably shoudn't have said that in a way22:40
sebThreeM10whiteit is basic though by default22:40
Switchespenguin42: I really like the "pixel" specs22:40
penguin42Switches: Yeh, HPe were talking about a nice spec one as well22:42
SwitchesYeah saw some posts about that and seems Asus got a new one soon aswell22:42
sebThreeM10whiteswitches penguin chromebooks are meant to be quite nice with a proper Linux distro on.  however he might have been hmm to be me putting one on so uh22:42
Switcheslol22:43
sebThreeM10whiteswitches penguin42 apparnatly they out sold macs as well going by an article from like last week22:43
sebThreeM10whitethat first time they out sold macs22:43
SwitchesYeah22:43
sebThreeM10whitebut thats not so suprisng since macs are expensive22:43
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Mostly to schools I think22:43
sebThreeM10whiteand apple has most of its sales as a result from the iphone and ipad22:43
penguin42still, it's good they're putting decent spec displays in them - having less than full-HD is IMHO just cheapskating it22:44
sebThreeM10whitefor the chomre book you mean?22:44
SwitchesWell when you look at the panel technology now, yeah it is22:44
penguin42yeh22:44
sebThreeM10whitedid bq cheap sake it then to22:44
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Yeh22:44
sebThreeM10whiteor just thought lets have both versions sold at same time22:44
sebThreeM10whitefor the tablet instad of what they did with the phone22:44
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Sorry, I have no sympathy in going below fullHD - ask why they didn't go above fullHD for the high spec version22:45
sebThreeM10whitecame out with the low end bq awuara 4.5 first, then like three months later came out with a bf e5 hd as well ( I hope I can still buy one of those hmm, but not yet (22:45
SwitchesAnything badged as "high spec" should be Full HD atleast22:45
penguin42Apple get a lot of sales for just glorious displays they have22:45
sebThreeM10whitepenguin42 you can go above full hd ?  even bigger better resolution ?22:45
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Why not?22:46
sebThreeM10whiteswitches pengui42  m10  white so hd,  and m10 black so fhd, are both sold at nearly the same price,  its about 40 pounds price difference thats all22:46
sebThreeM10whiteboth devices cost over 200 pounds22:46
penguin42sebThreeM10white: My phone is 1440x2560 pixels (5.5") - which admittedly is ludicrous (I won it - I probably wouldn't have bought that spec) - but less than full-HD is just silly, and you can easily go more22:47
Switchesyeah theres a few QHD displays now, My argument about the Full HD was more aimed at things like phones and small tablets, once you get to around 10"+ viewable Full HD should be standard22:48
penguin42sebThreeM10white: The Chromebook pixel-c is 2560x1800 on 10.2"22:48
sebThreeM10whitewell thist mostly rejected by the fan boys etc Ubnuntu fan boys and so on, is still a nice device, but yes hd22:48
* sebThreeM10white wonders what kind of difference if any really would notice between the HD and FHD22:49
sebThreeM10whitewhen it comes to resolution22:49
sebThreeM10whitethe screen22:49
sebThreeM10whitealso appantatly yes bq generally come out with lower quality hardware,  compared to say Meizu :)22:50
sebThreeM10whiteif  wanting something more high end thats Ubuntu,  yep Meizu is the way to go for now22:50
SwitchesIt's not much pixel density is better the higher you go, but on small screens imo it doesn't pay, especially when you look at the money difference22:50
sebThreeM10whiteswitches its not really worth it at times the hgher price you mean for stuff like that?22:51
sebThreeM10whitewith tablets?22:51
daftykinsi see mr.chatty has an annoying name to match now22:51
SwitchesBut then I hardly ever use my phone for anything but calls and texts, my tablet is basically an "ebook reader" lol22:51
sebThreeM10whitedaftykins ha ha you love me really :d :p <322:51
daftykins;)22:52
sebThreeM10whiteswitches indeed ebook readers hmm,  I saw there was something on indiegogo being crowd funded,  but I thought like eh,  I got tablets anyway, so why have that22:52
penguin42Switches: I use gmaps/osm on my phone, browse the web/news read on it, even ssh/read my mail22:53
sebThreeM10whitemreant to havr been a bigger screened e book reade than the usaul size though22:53
SwitchesUnless you have money to burn or you use the tablet a lot, it's not worth it for me. I can get a tablet for like £90 that does what I need (maybe less than that if there's a deal on). So paying like £200+ for something just for a Full HD is a waste for my use22:54
sebThreeM10whiteswitches I see your point, but it's good to have at least one Ubuntu touch device trust me :)22:54
sebThreeM10whiteand a few options now22:54
sebThreeM10whitefor which one to buy :d22:54
Switcheslol22:54
sebThreeM10whiteor did bq really stop selling the 4.5  and ef hd hmm if so that's stupid]22:55
SwitchesWell once I can get one from EE I will :p22:55
penguin42Switches: why buy it from EE though?22:55
sebThreeM10whitewell for the ef hd its stupid.  there are stil people otu there wanting  to buy one of  those or at some stage, that's uhmm me, and I think even popey22:55
sebThreeM10whitee5 hd hasnt even been sold for a year by them and apparnatly no longer sold hmm22:55
SwitchesI get it with money off cause of my account, that's the only reason :p22:56
sebThreeM10whiteI guess they want people buying m10's now, but  a tablt is not a phone, would be better if they had a ubuntu phone and a tablet on the market22:56
penguin42Switches: Oh right, yeh I did that when I got my first smart phone; the ZTE Blade (aka Orange San francisco)22:56
sebThreeM10whiteswitches EE/Orange suck I think,  I was so glad to switch away,   had a not good contract for the money from ORange22:56
SwitchesWell I gotta say I like the look of the M522:56
sebThreeM10whiteI pay about half of what I did with EE for a better deal with Giffgaff :d22:57
* penguin42 is on a stupidly good ee/orange/t-mobile PAYG deal22:57
sebThreeM10whiteswitches the m5? do you mean the Meizu Pro 5?22:57
Switchesoops yeah the Pro 522:57
sebThreeM10whiteok whats your number so I can phone you penguin42  :d  ok that will be ok,  I need daftykins though since he'll get annoyed at me I guess if I do that :d22:58
SwitchesThe one Alan been showing off on G+22:58
SwitchesAlso the one Alan dropped on Youtube xD22:58
sebThreeM10whiteswitches that might have issues with some convergence thing the miracast or whatever it was, but otherwise that will be an awesome device, I have the MX 4 and been using that as my phone for months now22:58
sebThreeM10whiteswitches the pro 5 is the upgrade22:58
SwitchesWell popey showed it off connecting to the TV no problems over a MS dongle22:59
SwitchesThat's what impressed me with it :p22:59
SwitchesAnd the performance looks like its right on point22:59
sebThreeM10whiteswitches ok so buy one :) ?/23:02
sebThreeM10whiteswitches I want to buy a pro 5 eventually, but its reasonably low down on my tech devices I want to buy list, since I have the MX 4,  but since the Mx 4 is good quality I know the pro 5 shoul d be as well23:04
sebThreeM10whiteswitches I got to give my address for two intersting crowd funded things, and then should get them next month :d   and something else is already on the verge of coming to me crowd funded23:05
SwitchesNice one seb!23:08
SwitchesI will buy an Pro 5 once I finish what I have planned for my PC, can't spend way to much :p23:09
sebThreeM10whiteSwitches: was a disapointment the LUG meeting earlier, since you didnt turn up h e h :d23:09
Switcheslol23:09
sebThreeM10whiteswitches you should come next month seriously :)  espeically if you want to see some interesting crowd funded stuff, I think I'll have the things I got in mind by then :)23:10
SwitchesWell we will see.23:10
sebThreeM10whiteSwitches: most people didnt turn up earlier,  but that happens at timnes, only some turn up  genreally23:11
sebThreeM10whiteswitches about 10 people at most which is ashame really,  yars ago before I Went it had  more23:11
sebThreeM10whitemaybe the guy earlier had a point, are people still using LInux or just not that interestd anymore  h e h23:12
SwitchesWell over time peoples lives change they can't always make the time23:12
sebThreeM10whiteswitches indeed23:12
sebThreeM10whitethingshappen other things to do23:12
sebThreeM10whitepeople move away as well etc23:12
SwitchesWell I think it's more people just don't have time to attend meetings and the likes, plus everything nowadays seems to be on the net lol23:13
sebThreeM10whiteswitches you mentione some stuff a bit, but as long as you can walk around the streets of Bristol a bit,  then sure why not come to the LUG :) ?23:13
SwitchesMaybe we should just get a monthly Mumble server lol23:13
sebThreeM10whiteswitches its at a pub, but to get there you'll have to be on the streets a bit I guess he heh23:13
SwitchesWell once I can walk around the streets of bristol I will turn up :p23:14
sebThreeM10whiteswitches podcasting can be fun,  unless got annoying people in the background when wanting to podcast,  which is quite likely in my case since where I live currently and who with etc23:14
SwitchesWell i was thinking more just somewhere to sit and chat with a few cans, not a podcast as such :p23:14
sebThreeM10whiteswitches maybe but meeting in perosn is still better23:15
sebThreeM10whiteswitches have a pint some food etc23:15
SwitchesYeah I know23:15
sebThreeM10whiteswitches altough I dont think the food is pariatuarly good at that pub, but then I Go eat some where else usaully after before going home :d23:15
Switcheslol23:16
sebThreeM10whiteswitches tried a newish place  for my second time earlier,  hadnt been there for months, and oh that ice creame was great :)23:16
sebThreeM10whitethe food was alright to that had23:16
penguin42ooh ice cream23:16
SwitchesWell that's good23:16
sebThreeM10whiteswitches when I went first time I was disapointed with the menu seemed lacking of stuff etc, but maybe they impved it a bit or something23:16
sebThreeM10whitepenguin42 switches yeah  but not just any ice creame and only veggie or vegan ice creame,  actsaully that whole place its a veggie and vegan  only food place23:17
sebThreeM10whiteone of Bristols four or so places like that23:17
sebThreeM10whitenear  the bus st aiton to which is quite nice :)23:17
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Hey well as long as it's chocolate ice cream....23:18
sebThreeM10whitepenguin42  yeah chocolate brownie I semed to get, in well ice creame they had made them selves that tasted great :)23:18
sebThreeM10whiteand actsually a resoanble amount to23:18
sebThreeM10whitefor what had paid as well unlike certian places23:18
penguin42yeh well, I mean there's no point in having a little bit of ice cream23:19
sebThreeM10whiteyeah there's like a indian place around here, well her own indian food etc, I remember having ice cremae there23:19
sebThreeM10whitebut the portion of her own made ice cremae was well not much at all23:19
sebThreeM10whiteabout a scoop and that was it uh23:19
sebThreeM10whiteswitches yes weather spoons pubs are quite   sucky genreally for food it seems23:20
sebThreeM10whiteswitches lug meets up in one so23:20
sebThreeM10whitepenguin42 indeed if buying any ice creame,  you want a good amount, I agree with that :)23:21
daftykinsthis is fun proof why not to ever touch Apple gear, strong language in this video though - some info is a bit out of date too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zw23:33
penguin42daftykins: TBF I don't think any vendor releases test suites23:52
daftykinsnot so much that as the 'replace motherboard' at authorised sites angle23:55
penguin42daftykins: I don't know; most places are pretty dumb about it23:55
penguin42daftykins: Most repair places don't do component level repair - they just swap boards/modules23:58
sebThreeM10whiteI wonder if there is a bug or something maybe with Ubuntu touch23:58
sebThreeM10whitewhere it likes putting the volume back on some kind of default set one or whatever it is that is loud23:58
sebThreeM10whitewhen got  a new song on, or that youtube video23:58
penguin42sebThreeM10white: Does it only do that if it detects it would be really embarrassing - like if in a library?23:58
sebThreeM10whiteor it does taht sometimes, started doing that to me just now23:59

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