[00:41] new one on me [00:41] https://www.dropbox.com/s/97pnqycygeyp9m9/paypal_issue.PNG?dl=0 [00:42] TAX DODGE! [00:44] that must be a real pain [00:45] it's not stopped me before from ebay items, this was ifixit europe [00:45] changed from "UK Guernsey" to "UK", took the £2.50 VAT hit and now it's on its' way :P [00:45] quite tired of being a second class citizen though [00:46] haha so you just list it as UK but specify the right postcode? [00:46] heh, i said it was a tax dodge :P [00:46] indeed! [00:46] and shunted a couple of fields back so i could put 'Guernsey' as my city [00:47] anyone know of any decent open source monitoring tools that aren't nagios? [00:49] 'fraid not [00:51] m0nkey_: I've heard of but not tried opennms [03:38] https://www.dropbox.com/s/xs5xgzsa8np9666/IMG_20160528_043131.jpg?dl=0 [03:39] an ex glass/digitiser XD [09:14] morning boys and girls. [09:32] * zmoylan-pi fires up 80s fact of the day dos app... 'ian fleming b.1908' [11:56] “I’m running umbunto warty. how I upgrade 16.4?" [11:56] that’s pretty much everything wrong with the internet morons [11:58] yes, it's leenux ubunto warty... :-P [12:46] I blow my nose in your general direction [13:02] * zmoylan-pi builds giant wooden rabbit and prepares trebuchet... [13:08] RUN AWAY! [13:09] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs [13:10] downloaded all of england OSM, did a search for various tags, there appears to be only one place that is tagged yurts in the whole of the UK [13:10] where? [13:10] and one tagged winniedepooh 😖 [13:10] lets see [13:11] whereas loads of places are tagged mine.... [13:11] hm, this isn't as easy as I thought 😃 [13:12] I want to extract a bunch of points of interest, like maybe some statues, post boxes and a few other things [13:12] I'll settle for just statues for now [13:13] so far I grabbed the gb pbf file from geofabrik, and converted with osmconvert to o5m format, then used osmfilter to extract stuff, but it generates many many GB xml files [13:13] need to limit it a bit further, kills my laptop doing this, giant IO wait [13:13] points of interest... post boxes... :-P [13:13] those are GB files for GB? [13:14] yes [13:15] zmoylan-pi: yeah, not especially interested in those [13:15] it's for a game [13:15] this a scavenger hunt type of thing? [13:15] bit like ingress. I want to find some points in the UK that people can go to and find/do something [13:15] yeah [13:15] but want to make the sourcing of the points of interest easy [13:16] as people outside the UK may play, want to use some specific tags which might work everywhere, or is that perhaps optimistic :) [13:16] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=tourism%3Dartwork and http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=historic%3Dmemorial look good [13:37] hmmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/16768306/ === Romin is now known as Guest16984 [15:02] I do like the waffle irons on the SpaceX rockets [15:03] takes care of any passing seagulls [15:27] how do i tell apache which php version to use? if i have several php versions installed? [16:01] hmm apparently the Beeb have commissioned a new series of HHGttG [16:01] (radio based on 'And Another Thing' [16:14] i'd prefer more cabin pressure at this point [16:16] because they'd have to recast a lot of parts for the series and it would feel just a little off [16:18] it's not impossible it would work; just slightly improbable [16:19] * zmoylan-pi plugs improbability drive into piece of fairy cake and a really strong cup of tea [17:16] m0nkey_: there is icing, which is nagios-like in that it reuses nagios agents [17:16] incinga**\ [17:17] icinga** [17:17] damned interfering mac osx [17:18] I found the motherload [17:18] http://omdistro.org/start [17:18] it includes icinga [17:19] It has Nagios + plugins, NagVis, Icinga, pnp4nagios, rrdtool, check_mk, and ton of other stuff pre-installed and configured [17:21] interesting [17:23] why both nagios and icinga installed together? o_O [17:23] seems redundant [17:24] not sure, about to try it [17:26] why doesn't anyone provide KVM qcow2 images for 'appliances'? [17:36] how the heck do you say 'icinga' .. because ici.. french, here.. nga.. ummmm. wont go there [17:36] I'm never sure if it's eye-king-ah or icing-ah [18:50] i use adagios [18:50] nagios but the bad bits fixed === szaman is now known as Guest65369 [20:34] Evening ubunuts! === MooDoo is now known as Guest40713 [21:38] hi [22:18] sebThreeM10white: Curiously long nick you have there [22:18] penguin42: yeah, but you know who I am, and what my knick means right :)? [22:20] sebThreeM10white: Well, I suspect I know who you are, but the rest of the name, hmmm - I'm not sure what the M10 is - I mean Daystrom only went upto m5 [22:22] sebsebseb: Got a White BQ M10 then :p [22:22] tis the ubuntu phone [22:23] 10 is the tablet? [22:23] yeah [22:24] Switches: yep bingo and the white is the HD, not the black one that most of the fan boys got [22:24] that's F HD [22:24] I may get one of those at a much later date as well [22:24] but that's really low on my things I may want to buy that are tech list :d [22:24] since I hav this one :) [22:24] sebThreeM10white: So, how are you liking it? [22:25] 720p screen rather than the 1080p? or is a 900p? [22:25] PaulW2U: well using it instead of lap top right now with blue tooth keyboards:d [22:25] uh for penguin42 [22:25] nod [22:25] switches something like that, but I bought htis at a time when I was short enough on money for 40 pounds or so difference to actsually be quite a lot [22:26] switches plus I like having the one thats the like rejected one h e h eh or mostly rjected, well if you read the things I did on omgubuntu etc I mean he heh [22:26] Well tbh mate I don't see the point in all the Full HD screens in tabs and phones... but thats just me [22:26] at least osmeone else has the white one though, since there was a review he did that went on there [22:27] switches whys that? [22:27] * sebThreeM10white prefers the colour white now for tech as well, black is so uhmm standard common and boring [22:27] as for the camera yes the other one has a bit of a better one but genreally the one I ghot here should be fine enough. altough the app crashed the other day when I was trying to take a more detailed photo with it hmm [22:28] Switches: I dunno, full HD is reasonable; the quad-hd is getting a bit silly; the size of a pixel for a full-hd tablet at arms length is similar to a full HD TV at TV distance [22:28] Well you can't really stream Full HD over most the "cheaper" versions Wireless connections, mine only streams 720p with a 900p screen. but then I'm just a cheap bastard [22:28] switches its pretty much the same hardware excpet for a few little differences [22:29] * sebThreeM10white thinks that yes for basic such as IRC email play8ing msuic etc, sure can replace a lap top nicely with these Ubuntu devices really, but can also do more than just basics with them, espeically once got xmir set up to do so :d [22:29] I can understand that some need the higher resolutions with things like Miracast becoming more of a thing (and Convergence stuff). But I mean just for walking around [22:30] switches yeah or your popey and anyting with a less res is now seen as bad [22:30] a low res [22:30] :p [22:31] sebThreeM10white: penguin I think the xmir feature is going to be more interesting than convergence :d [22:31] for penguin42 switches [22:31] sebThreeM10white: What do you mean by switches? [22:31] that's his nick [22:32] oh [22:32] the tablet has a demo of some of the desktop linux apps on it by default [22:32] firefox, gedit, the gimp and xchat gnome [22:32] and libre office [22:32] right, all that stuff should just work [22:32] and it's got 2GB of RAM so it should be useful (even if it's just A53 cores) [22:32] however there's a way to hack that so it can run lots of other things, vlc and yep yep yep lots of stuff,,but it's getting offical support worked on now well i MEAN IN A more suprted way] [22:33] I think the next over the air up date has the like start of that being more supported etc more properly, no need for the hack [22:33] want other stuff ok [22:33] Well Xmir isn't really a "future" thinking thing though, it's more a "keep old stuff going for now" thing. I don't find it that interesting, I do understand the need for it though [22:33] * penguin42 doubts X is going to disappear quickly [22:33] switches well yes it's to make the old desktop linux stuff work, but it's still interesting :) [22:33] certain stuff wont' work with it, but it should be able to run most things in the future :) [22:33] What's got me interested at the mo is Mir having Vulkan support [22:34] oh yeh I must look at Vulkan [22:34] Vulkan sounds familur, what's that? [22:34] Vulkan is going to change a lot of thinking [22:34] Replacement for OpenGL [22:34] Used to be called AMD Mantle [22:34] oh right yeah that [22:34] I think read about that before [22:34] or possibly [22:35] switches I see that as an advantage being able to run well thousands of Desktop Linux programs on the Ubuntu devices :) [22:35] and well enough for most of them to I guess, well in the future, xmir is still experimental etc now it seems [22:35] Yeah it's a "low level" graphics API, exposes a lot more hardware resources and allows a lot better resource management [22:36] well I havrn't reid the hack thing, was meaning to. but I know can get vlc and inkscape and lots of things working like that [22:36] but libertine is goingg to have like more proper support in the GUI etc in Ubuntu touch for that kind of thing so [22:37] yeah libertine sounds interesting [22:37] sebThreeM10white: yeah thats for xmir what it uses etc [22:37] uh for switches [22:38] * sebThreeM10white probably doesnt really need to try and highlight now anyway switches is around and probably penguin42 as well [22:38] sebThreeM10white: Yeah it looks to have a lot of advantages [22:39] Switches: penguin42 I should have probably said how great the chrome book was the other day, to my older brother, even if not quite what I thought, since now since his WIndows computer got slow, hes bought a cheap net book with WIndows 10 instead hmm [22:39] lol [22:39] a chromebook would have at least been lLinux hmm [22:39] Chromebooks are pretty amazing tbf [22:40] switches yeah he's been using a lapt op with WIndows 7 for quite a few years now [22:40] there are a few that are actually good spec now as well; but still most are pretty poor [22:40] I said something about the OS being to basic, probably shoudn't have said that in a way [22:40] it is basic though by default [22:40] penguin42: I really like the "pixel" specs [22:42] Switches: Yeh, HPe were talking about a nice spec one as well [22:42] Yeah saw some posts about that and seems Asus got a new one soon aswell [22:42] switches penguin chromebooks are meant to be quite nice with a proper Linux distro on. however he might have been hmm to be me putting one on so uh [22:43] lol [22:43] switches penguin42 apparnatly they out sold macs as well going by an article from like last week [22:43] that first time they out sold macs [22:43] Yeah [22:43] but thats not so suprisng since macs are expensive [22:43] sebThreeM10white: Mostly to schools I think [22:43] and apple has most of its sales as a result from the iphone and ipad [22:44] still, it's good they're putting decent spec displays in them - having less than full-HD is IMHO just cheapskating it [22:44] for the chomre book you mean? [22:44] Well when you look at the panel technology now, yeah it is [22:44] yeh [22:44] did bq cheap sake it then to [22:44] sebThreeM10white: Yeh [22:44] or just thought lets have both versions sold at same time [22:44] for the tablet instad of what they did with the phone [22:45] sebThreeM10white: Sorry, I have no sympathy in going below fullHD - ask why they didn't go above fullHD for the high spec version [22:45] came out with the low end bq awuara 4.5 first, then like three months later came out with a bf e5 hd as well ( I hope I can still buy one of those hmm, but not yet ( [22:45] Anything badged as "high spec" should be Full HD atleast [22:45] Apple get a lot of sales for just glorious displays they have [22:45] penguin42 you can go above full hd ? even bigger better resolution ? [22:46] sebThreeM10white: Why not? [22:46] switches pengui42 m10 white so hd, and m10 black so fhd, are both sold at nearly the same price, its about 40 pounds price difference thats all [22:46] both devices cost over 200 pounds [22:47] sebThreeM10white: My phone is 1440x2560 pixels (5.5") - which admittedly is ludicrous (I won it - I probably wouldn't have bought that spec) - but less than full-HD is just silly, and you can easily go more [22:48] yeah theres a few QHD displays now, My argument about the Full HD was more aimed at things like phones and small tablets, once you get to around 10"+ viewable Full HD should be standard [22:48] sebThreeM10white: The Chromebook pixel-c is 2560x1800 on 10.2" [22:48] well thist mostly rejected by the fan boys etc Ubnuntu fan boys and so on, is still a nice device, but yes hd [22:49] * sebThreeM10white wonders what kind of difference if any really would notice between the HD and FHD [22:49] when it comes to resolution [22:49] the screen [22:50] also appantatly yes bq generally come out with lower quality hardware, compared to say Meizu :) [22:50] if wanting something more high end thats Ubuntu, yep Meizu is the way to go for now [22:50] It's not much pixel density is better the higher you go, but on small screens imo it doesn't pay, especially when you look at the money difference [22:51] switches its not really worth it at times the hgher price you mean for stuff like that? [22:51] with tablets? [22:51] i see mr.chatty has an annoying name to match now [22:51] But then I hardly ever use my phone for anything but calls and texts, my tablet is basically an "ebook reader" lol [22:51] daftykins ha ha you love me really :d :p <3 [22:52] ;) [22:52] switches indeed ebook readers hmm, I saw there was something on indiegogo being crowd funded, but I thought like eh, I got tablets anyway, so why have that [22:53] Switches: I use gmaps/osm on my phone, browse the web/news read on it, even ssh/read my mail [22:53] mreant to havr been a bigger screened e book reade than the usaul size though [22:54] Unless you have money to burn or you use the tablet a lot, it's not worth it for me. I can get a tablet for like £90 that does what I need (maybe less than that if there's a deal on). So paying like £200+ for something just for a Full HD is a waste for my use [22:54] switches I see your point, but it's good to have at least one Ubuntu touch device trust me :) [22:54] and a few options now [22:54] for which one to buy :d [22:54] lol [22:55] or did bq really stop selling the 4.5 and ef hd hmm if so that's stupid] [22:55] Well once I can get one from EE I will :p [22:55] Switches: why buy it from EE though? [22:55] well for the ef hd its stupid. there are stil people otu there wanting to buy one of those or at some stage, that's uhmm me, and I think even popey [22:55] e5 hd hasnt even been sold for a year by them and apparnatly no longer sold hmm [22:56] I get it with money off cause of my account, that's the only reason :p [22:56] I guess they want people buying m10's now, but a tablt is not a phone, would be better if they had a ubuntu phone and a tablet on the market [22:56] Switches: Oh right, yeh I did that when I got my first smart phone; the ZTE Blade (aka Orange San francisco) [22:56] switches EE/Orange suck I think, I was so glad to switch away, had a not good contract for the money from ORange [22:56] Well I gotta say I like the look of the M5 [22:57] I pay about half of what I did with EE for a better deal with Giffgaff :d [22:57] * penguin42 is on a stupidly good ee/orange/t-mobile PAYG deal [22:57] switches the m5? do you mean the Meizu Pro 5? [22:57] oops yeah the Pro 5 [22:58] ok whats your number so I can phone you penguin42 :d ok that will be ok, I need daftykins though since he'll get annoyed at me I guess if I do that :d [22:58] The one Alan been showing off on G+ [22:58] Also the one Alan dropped on Youtube xD [22:58] switches that might have issues with some convergence thing the miracast or whatever it was, but otherwise that will be an awesome device, I have the MX 4 and been using that as my phone for months now [22:58] switches the pro 5 is the upgrade [22:59] Well popey showed it off connecting to the TV no problems over a MS dongle [22:59] That's what impressed me with it :p [22:59] And the performance looks like its right on point [23:02] switches ok so buy one :) ?/ [23:04] switches I want to buy a pro 5 eventually, but its reasonably low down on my tech devices I want to buy list, since I have the MX 4, but since the Mx 4 is good quality I know the pro 5 shoul d be as well [23:05] switches I got to give my address for two intersting crowd funded things, and then should get them next month :d and something else is already on the verge of coming to me crowd funded [23:08] Nice one seb! [23:09] I will buy an Pro 5 once I finish what I have planned for my PC, can't spend way to much :p [23:09] Switches: was a disapointment the LUG meeting earlier, since you didnt turn up h e h :d [23:09] lol [23:10] switches you should come next month seriously :) espeically if you want to see some interesting crowd funded stuff, I think I'll have the things I got in mind by then :) [23:10] Well we will see. [23:11] Switches: most people didnt turn up earlier, but that happens at timnes, only some turn up genreally [23:11] switches about 10 people at most which is ashame really, yars ago before I Went it had more [23:12] maybe the guy earlier had a point, are people still using LInux or just not that interestd anymore h e h [23:12] Well over time peoples lives change they can't always make the time [23:12] switches indeed [23:12] thingshappen other things to do [23:12] people move away as well etc [23:13] Well I think it's more people just don't have time to attend meetings and the likes, plus everything nowadays seems to be on the net lol [23:13] switches you mentione some stuff a bit, but as long as you can walk around the streets of Bristol a bit, then sure why not come to the LUG :) ? [23:13] Maybe we should just get a monthly Mumble server lol [23:13] switches its at a pub, but to get there you'll have to be on the streets a bit I guess he heh [23:14] Well once I can walk around the streets of bristol I will turn up :p [23:14] switches podcasting can be fun, unless got annoying people in the background when wanting to podcast, which is quite likely in my case since where I live currently and who with etc [23:14] Well i was thinking more just somewhere to sit and chat with a few cans, not a podcast as such :p [23:15] switches maybe but meeting in perosn is still better [23:15] switches have a pint some food etc [23:15] Yeah I know [23:15] switches altough I dont think the food is pariatuarly good at that pub, but then I Go eat some where else usaully after before going home :d [23:16] lol [23:16] switches tried a newish place for my second time earlier, hadnt been there for months, and oh that ice creame was great :) [23:16] the food was alright to that had [23:16] ooh ice cream [23:16] Well that's good [23:16] switches when I went first time I was disapointed with the menu seemed lacking of stuff etc, but maybe they impved it a bit or something [23:17] penguin42 switches yeah but not just any ice creame and only veggie or vegan ice creame, actsaully that whole place its a veggie and vegan only food place [23:17] one of Bristols four or so places like that [23:17] near the bus st aiton to which is quite nice :) [23:18] sebThreeM10white: Hey well as long as it's chocolate ice cream.... [23:18] penguin42 yeah chocolate brownie I semed to get, in well ice creame they had made them selves that tasted great :) [23:18] and actsually a resoanble amount to [23:18] for what had paid as well unlike certian places [23:19] yeh well, I mean there's no point in having a little bit of ice cream [23:19] yeah there's like a indian place around here, well her own indian food etc, I remember having ice cremae there [23:19] but the portion of her own made ice cremae was well not much at all [23:19] about a scoop and that was it uh [23:20] switches yes weather spoons pubs are quite sucky genreally for food it seems [23:20] switches lug meets up in one so [23:21] penguin42 indeed if buying any ice creame, you want a good amount, I agree with that :) [23:33] this is fun proof why not to ever touch Apple gear, strong language in this video though - some info is a bit out of date too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVAmnV65_zw [23:52] daftykins: TBF I don't think any vendor releases test suites [23:55] not so much that as the 'replace motherboard' at authorised sites angle [23:55] daftykins: I don't know; most places are pretty dumb about it [23:58] daftykins: Most repair places don't do component level repair - they just swap boards/modules [23:58] I wonder if there is a bug or something maybe with Ubuntu touch [23:58] where it likes putting the volume back on some kind of default set one or whatever it is that is loud [23:58] when got a new song on, or that youtube video [23:58] sebThreeM10white: Does it only do that if it detects it would be really embarrassing - like if in a library? [23:59] or it does taht sometimes, started doing that to me just now