[00:00] <valorie> cleaned, auto-cleaned, still no plasma
[00:00] <acheron_uk> no sddm?
[00:01] <valorie> no, never gets to boot
[00:01] <acheron_uk> oh. not even startx works
[00:01] <valorie> at least I have all the ttys
[00:02] <valorie> but that's it
[00:02] <darin> OK, which one of these is proposed: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[00:03] <acheron_uk> proposed as in the main archive
[00:03]  * valorie is clueless in black diamond
[00:05] <valorie> I'll just leave it running until someone has a suggestion
[00:27] <DarinMiller> Uncle: I've enabled every PPA that I know to enable.  which PPA is the "main" archive?
[00:35] <valorie> DarinMiller: it isn't a PPA
[00:35] <valorie> it's a repo
[00:36] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed
[00:37] <valorie> just like the PPAs though, it is advised to add, update, and then remove again, once you have the package you want
[00:37] <valorie> unless you live on the edge like I guess we are.....
[00:38] <DarinMiller> Ohkhhh, gotcha.
[08:25] <acheron_uk> urgh.. that is a lot of stuff on stable failing to build
[09:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:43] <acheron_uk> so in YY why would the akonadiserver binary be in the libkf5akonadiserver-dev package?
[09:44] <acheron_uk> from https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/akonadi/commit/debian/libkf5akonadiserver-dev.install?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive&id=ede3eac8a94692c67af782b04e06236f4505d43f
[09:45] <allee> acheron_uk: if it's the case it's bug in the *.install file(s)
[09:47] <acheron_uk> seems that way to me, but as I'm new(ish) to this I have to pose the question
[09:53] <allee> acheron_uk: both akonadi*server should be in akonadi-server pkg like in xenial
[09:53] <allee> sgclark: ^^   
[09:54] <allee> acheron_uk: or have you commit access?
[10:05] <acheron_uk> allee: no I don't. still learning here
[10:06]  * clivejo wonders how that happened
[10:20] <clivejo> someone remind me to look at that later!
[10:45] <clivejo> acheron_uk: if you have time and want to, you could post a git diff of the changes to fix that paclage
[10:45] <clivejo> or anyone for that matter!
[11:05] <acheron_uk> doubtful I will get to it today
[11:13]  * jimarvan waves
[11:13] <allee> clivejo: I'll give akonadi a try.  Which branch kubuntu_unstable?
[11:34] <allee> clivejo: what are the prefered git diff options and where should I upload it?
[11:39] <allee> git diff -> https://owncloud-test.mpe.mpg.de/~test/6.0/index.php/s/Donawop5FXhx3dk
[12:16]  * acheron_uk looks at that and thinks simpler than he thought
[12:29] <allee> :-)
[12:32] <allee> acheron_uk: in retrospect I think I should have checked the changelog if there is a mention of the earlier move and get rid of it
[12:36] <acheron_uk> allee: not sure there isn't also other files in the wrong package there
[12:37] <allee> acheron_uk: I've not checked but the last commits in unstable didn't show up more problems like that
[12:38] <acheron_uk> fair enough.
[12:40] <acheron_uk> that prob just stood out as clivejo was wanting people to try to replicate a bug in korganizer with his YY staging PIM, and it complained akonadi wouldn't start
[12:40] <acheron_uk> then went looking for the binary and found that oddity
[14:19] <allee> acheron_uk: you're right.  At least akonadictl is in wrong pkg too.  Currently in -dev-bin
[14:23] <allee> akonadi_agent_launcher was in akonadi-server in XX too
[16:28]  * clivejo cant work out why Scarlett would have moved those files
[16:28] <clivejo> there must have been a reason
[17:20] <allee> clivejo: I assume it was a merge error
[17:20] <clivejo> cant see how though
[17:21] <allee> first commit after debian merge removed usr/bin from akonadi-server
[17:23] <allee> maybe she wanted to move some binaries from akonadi-server to anohter pkg, but moving the server itself is no good idea.   Try: ps -ef | grep akonadi[-_]  some pkgs like akonadi_agent_control are always started
[17:24] <clivejo> allee: do you want to fix it and send me the diff?
[17:24] <allee> But you are right, it maybe better to ask sgclark what her intention was
[17:24] <clivejo> I notice maxy has done some work on it in Debian - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/akonadi.git/
[17:24] <clivejo> might be worth pulling that in
[17:25] <allee> clivejo: in the commit she also removed 3 bin pkgs.  So I'm also not sure what's all to revert
[17:25] <clivejo> allee: I know, Ive been trying to understand it
[17:25] <clivejo> but cant
[17:26] <allee> Uh, 6 hours ago.  I was sitting at the same desk at this time :-(
 Well I bit the bullet
[17:26] <clivejo> but my gut feeling is just to follow Debian lead
 I hope the installer does not crash lol
[17:27] <clivejo> the current packages arent going to work properly
[17:27] <clivejo> shouldnt have to install a dev package in a run-time environment
[17:28] <clivejo> @ahoneybun what you installing?
 Kubuntu on my desktop
[17:29] <clivejo> what version?
 16.04?
 Of course
[17:29] <clivejo> chicken :P
 Whatever
 Lop
 I finally got tired of the time it took windows to boot
[17:30] <clivejo> *clivejo is running Yakkey Yak with extra Yak*
 Backuped all my stufff
 Just need to get my keyboard to work
 I found something that might work
[17:30] <clivejo> is that your gaming bax?
 Yea
[17:31] <clivejo> box
 Let's see how Tomb Raider runs in this lol
[17:31] <clivejo> oh I thought Linux framerate wasnt good enough for you?
 Its pretty old CPU though
 Most likely not
 But I'm playing less and less
[17:32] <clivejo> convert it to a packaging box :)
 Might get some games for the Xbox 360 that I want to play
 No ssd
 It would be slow
[17:32] <clivejo> help us get KCI on and running again
[17:32] <clivejo> up and
 That's beyond me
[17:33] <clivejo> its beyond me too, but I still keep trying!
 Mm
 Let's get my PGP key moved first lol
[17:36] <clivejo> LOL
 My machine is not booting
[17:36] <clivejo> we still havent managed to get a key created in Dojo!
[17:37] <acheron_uk> ahoneybun: 16.04 is nice with the backports
 We'll fix that
 I know acheron
 Run it on my laptop
 The heck
[17:39] <acheron_uk> clivejo: I looked at the previous packaging party and that cra**ed out at the key generation stage as well
[17:39] <clivejo> indeed
 I'm getting a blinking underscore
[17:39] <clivejo> its a time consuming process
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/y5HItpG8/file_91.jpg
[17:39] <clivejo> it wants you to type something
 But its not booting
[17:40] <acheron_uk> I think just don't expect people to generate a key in a live tutorial
[17:40] <clivejo> Try  4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42
[17:41] <acheron_uk> !info haveged
 Try to be a bit more serious Clifford
[17:42] <acheron_uk> can use haveged to speed up key generation for demo purposes
 *puts on serious face*
 Lol
 I did everything that I normally do
 Efi partition, mark that as the boot
 Boot install
[17:43] <clivejo> I think if we just pre-baked that kind of stuff and had it ready to go
[17:44] <acheron_uk> no login manger
[17:44] <acheron_uk> ^ ?
[17:44] <clivejo> and Rick can pull it out of his hat and say, heres one I made earlier
[17:44] <clivejo> isnt it lovely
[17:44] <clivejo> and we can all nod and agree on its lovelyness
[17:45] <acheron_uk> I really hate sddm, 2 laptops I've had to give up on that and install lightdm
[18:02] <allee> acheron_uk: no sddm problem with with Dell and Apple laptops.  What's your problem?
 second time worked
 mm modprode not found
[18:46] <ahoneybun> alright back on Kubuntu
[18:47] <ahoneybun> with a working Razer Keyboard
[18:50] <ahoneybun> ovidiuflorin:  we never put it on the site that 5.6.4 was out on 16.04
[18:51] <acheron_uk> ahoneybun: that is great
[18:51] <ahoneybun> http://pez2001.github.io/razer_chroma_drivers/
[18:51] <ahoneybun> only thing missing is setting macros
[18:52] <ahoneybun> it lets you enable them but no GUI to set them
 Mm my machine froze
[19:10] <ahoneybun> valorie: do you have access to the site?
[19:27] <ahoneybun> mm Steam does not launch
[19:29] <soee_> o/
[19:30] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:30] <ahoneybun> I do need to install the newer drivers
[19:30] <DarinMiller> o/
[19:30] <ahoneybun> what is with the hands up?
[19:30] <ahoneybun> what's

[19:31] <ahoneybun> soee_:  do you have access to the site?
 Keep freezing
 Must be the disk
[19:34] <soee_> ahoneybun: nope, yofel, ovidiuflorin or valorie probably have 
[19:35] <ahoneybun> yea but no one is here right now
[19:35] <soee_> some urgent situation 
[19:35] <soee_> ?
[19:35] <ahoneybun> not really
[19:35] <ahoneybun> but we have no news on the site about 5.6.4
[19:35] <ahoneybun> though one together from the G+ post
[19:35] <ahoneybun> at least
[19:48] <soee_> yeah i asked Philip to add some 
[19:49] <ahoneybun> mm reboot got it to work
[19:55]  * clivejo hi fives ahoneybun
[19:55] <ahoneybun> spectacle is in here now
[19:55] <ahoneybun> for some reason
[19:55] <clivejo> what you mean, for some reason
[19:55] <clivejo> thats the replacement for ksnapshot
[19:55] <ahoneybun> it's not on my laptop yet
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I thought something was broken so it was not used yet
[19:56] <clivejo> might have to install it manually
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I did not
[19:56] <clivejo> we had some issues with it installing
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I think the PPA got it in
 Mm I'm having more problems here then with Win
[20:00] <ahoneybun> I think my drive is dieing
[20:02] <clivejo> install SMART tools
[20:02] <clivejo> do a check
[20:03] <ahoneybun> smartmontools?
[20:06] <ahoneybun> says PASSED
[20:06] <clivejo> have you had kubuntu on this hardware before?
[20:07] <ahoneybun> yea
[20:07] <ahoneybun> it just freezes like the harddrive is getting used too much
[20:07] <ahoneybun> it's done it 2 times so far
[20:07] <ahoneybun> seems to be when using YouTube 
[20:07] <ahoneybun> maybe using too many tabs and windows
[20:08] <ahoneybun> also Konsole is not saving my settings
[20:09] <clivejo> does ksysguard show any memory leaks or CP usage?
[20:09] <clivejo> allee: did you look into merging akonadi with debian ?
[20:49] <jimarvan> ;)
[20:49] <ahoneybun> hey jimarvan
[20:50] <jimarvan> ahoneybun: hey! :D
[20:50] <ahoneybun> sup
[20:51] <jimarvan> just chilling listening to c64 covers hehe. you?
[20:51] <ahoneybun> clivejo: my CPU usage is high but nothing 100%
[20:51] <clivejo> whats using it?
[20:51] <ahoneybun> listening to Google Play Music jimarvan
[20:51] <ahoneybun> stuff?
[20:51] <jimarvan> swedish metal at its finest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2fJQlSkCc
[20:51] <ahoneybun> looks like a lot of Chrome
[20:51] <jimarvan> last ninja 2 cover :D
[20:55] <ahoneybun> mm clivejo so it would be helpful for me to setup a machine with a key made already?
[20:55] <ahoneybun> I can do that a few days before
[20:56] <allee> clivejo: no.  Busy with other things.
[20:56] <clivejo> yeah, i think we should determine the course of the lesson and do a trial run before hand
[20:57] <ahoneybun> alright cool, can you give me a list of packages needed to build?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> or a link somewhere
[20:57] <clivejo> for what?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> I'll have everythiung installed and ready to go
[21:01] <jimarvan> setting up for next dojo?
[21:02] <clivejo> I think we need a communal box to do stuff on
[21:02] <ahoneybun> yea jimarvan
[21:03] <ahoneybun> community?
[21:03] <clivejo> every one can at least watch the commands/output etc
[21:03] <clivejo> yeah, like Jon had
[21:03] <jimarvan> hmm
[21:03] <clivejo> on AWS
[21:03] <ahoneybun> not byobu you mean
[21:03] <ahoneybun> it's all the same
[21:03] <ahoneybun> he used byobu so everyone could log in
[21:03] <ahoneybun> we could record setting up the keys
[21:04] <valorie> what's going on?
[21:04] <ahoneybun> have everyone watch and you explain
[21:04] <valorie> friend dropped over to visit
[21:04] <ahoneybun> valorie: I have a article on the site about 5.6.4 release and need a review before posting
[21:04] <clivejo> yeah, and feed the screen into BBB too
[21:04] <ahoneybun> BBB does not handle that well I think
[21:04] <valorie> ok, I'll review and publish
[21:05] <ahoneybun> really bad FPS
[21:05] <ahoneybun> thanks valorie
[21:05] <ahoneybun> it's very minimal atm valorie
[21:05] <ahoneybun> just something to have out really
[21:05] <ahoneybun> clivejo: I think Hangouts handles video playback better
[21:06] <ahoneybun> I tried it in BBB with the game review
[21:07] <clivejo> hangouts cant support numerious people
[21:07] <ahoneybun> it does
[21:07] <valorie> published
[21:07] <jimarvan> those suggestions on google plus that people mentioned?
[21:07] <ahoneybun> jimarvan:  the other platforms you mean?
[21:07] <jimarvan> ye
[21:08] <ahoneybun> holy hell
[21:08] <ahoneybun> 6gbs of RAM used?
[21:08] <jimarvan> let me guess. chrome tabs?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> mm system monitor says different
[21:09] <ahoneybun> anyway
[21:10] <ahoneybun> jimarvan: people have very strong options on platforms to use
[21:10] <ahoneybun> BBB has been pretty great for us so far
[21:10] <jimarvan> agree
[21:11] <jimarvan> although that flush-plugin requirement its a minor annoyance hehe
[21:11] <jimarvan> but so far worked good
[21:12] <ahoneybun> flash is minor to me as well
[21:20]  * clivejo isnt fussed on Hangout as he doesnt trust Google!
[21:20]  * ahoneybun loves Google
[21:26] <clivejo> but then you love Windows
[21:27] <clivejo> so your vote doesnt count :P
[21:27] <ahoneybun> mm never said I loved that crap
[21:27] <ahoneybun> just dealt with it
[21:27] <valorie> I respect and fear google
[21:28] <valorie> no hate, no love
[22:01] <jimarvan> gn peeps!
[22:02] <ahoneybun> night jim
[22:25] <blaze> soee: are you around?