[00:00] <seto> so i figure kde plasma various drivers chrome for my browser vlc and few other needed apps
[00:00] <Bashing-om> I like ! .. All I can say . Fast, light and your own configuration to suit your own use case . There is a steep learning curve .
[00:00] <seto> stripping out stuff manually i got this install down to like 3 gb
[00:00] <seto> well i installed pure debian before
[00:01] <seto> so it shouldnt be to hard honestly
[00:01] <seto> i suspect that my wifi drivers will be there im just using a basic intel wifi card
[00:02] <seto> Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 83)
[00:02] <Bashing-om> well, the trick is discovering what you do not have .. for instance anacron .
[00:02] <Bashing-om> seto: Nope .. no WIFI .. ya got to build it .
[00:02] <seto> ahh crap
[00:03] <seto> wont work then
[00:03] <seto> uck wants to put all the tmp files in my home dir
[00:03] <seto> meanign i cant build because of no space
[00:03] <seto> bleh typos
[00:04] <Bashing-om> set one can move /tmp to ram .
[00:05] <seto> yeh doubt that will work well lol
[00:05] <seto> 2gb ram only on this thing lol
[00:06] <seto> i have lots of space on my 32gb sd card
[00:06] <seto> but not seeing much in the way of help for making uck use that
[00:09] <Bashing-om> You want your cake and eat it too ? - install wired and build the WIFI ?? There are ways to trim down the install footprint . system directories elsewhere with symlinks ??
[00:10] <seto> well with this thing i got no wired lol
[00:10] <seto> i got 2x usb ports charge port and sd card slot and a hdmi thats it
[00:11] <seto> symlinks might be my only other option
[00:13] <seto> what i wonder is how small i can got with ubuntu with kde plasma chrome and vlc
[00:13] <seto> im thinking pretty damn small really
[00:14] <seto> if/when i learn enough i might try putting together my own deb based distro
[00:14] <Bashing-om> seto: Well .. do not know .. From what I have seen tearing down to a small size is disaster prone .
[00:14] <seto> aim for something very tiny
[00:15] <seto> yeh can end up with a non functional system pretty fast lol
[00:16] <Bashing-om> seto: Tiny is "tiny core" .. or DSL . I do meam tiny ! But the amazing thing is that they work and are full featured .
[00:16] <seto> heheh dsl i remember that one
[00:17] <Bashing-om> DSL impresses me much. I have installed it on several clients with old old hardware they do not want to dump .
[00:17] <seto> im just wondering is dsl will run properly on my chrome book
[00:18] <seto> distros can be goofy with sound and vid on this thing
[00:18] <Bashing-om> seto: A d/l is quick .. soon find out .. I have not messeed with a chromebook .. so I do not know  other than there can be "problems" installing another OS .
[00:19] <seto> well this is already a full linux no chrome os setup
[00:19] <seto> i played with the chroot set up quite fun
[00:19] <seto> but quite limited on hd space lit barely 2gb remained
[00:20] <seto> was looking at tiny core all i can say is lol 12mb ....
[00:21] <seto> my biggest fear with dsl would be dependencies
[00:21] <seto> like i want vlc kde plasma and chrome full sound net and proper vid
[00:21] <seto> if it can do that the rest i can fiddle with
[00:22] <Bashing-om> seto: All I can say is I have installed DSL mostly Intel based .. and never a problem with the default/standard install .
[00:23] <seto> what about installing various stuff like chrome etc?
[00:24] <Bashing-om> seto: Now that might be a problem .. the default browser is firefox . I have never changed it .
[00:25] <seto> yeh i play exactly one game and it is flash based
[00:25] <seto> ff flash support blows fecking chunks
[00:27] <Bashing-om> seto: Agreed . Why I now run google-chrome . Shame on Adobe ,, My wife runs a graphics work station ; when flash failed us she had to return to Windows ..
[00:27] <seto> ooooh nice whats the specs on the work station?
[00:27] <seto> i use to own a bit of history
[00:28] <seto> i had the sgi workstation that had the exact same specs as the ones used for the original jurasic park!
[00:28] <seto> i paid 4500 for it about 4 or 5 years after JP came out
[00:28] <seto> and put another 4500 in it to bring it up to date
[00:29] <Bashing-om> Bad boy Intel with 16 Gigs ram . running Win10 .
[00:29] <seto> nice all but 10 .....
[00:29] <seto> i wouldnt put ten on a system if you paid me 500 a day to run it lol
[00:30] <seto> i think that windows is gona be gone flat out with in5 years time
[00:30] <seto> MS screwed p to many times
[00:30] <seto> they had 4 major os flops now
[00:30] <Bashing-om> Hey, not my choice, or my likes .. It is her system and her work .. and what she likes .. she does affirm she likes the new Win10 .
[00:30] <seto> ME vista 8/8.1 and ten
[00:31] <seto> they had 2 (3 if you count 8 and 8.1 seperately) flops in a row
[00:31] <daftykins> pathetic opinion regarding Windows
[00:32] <daftykins> no doubt you've read into the classic sensational rubbish online :)
[00:32] <seto> not really
[00:32] <Bashing-om> detI have a distict aversion to anyuthing Windows . I came up open source, tried Windows .. and came running back to open source .. settled on ubuntu // from ubuntu I have looked at no other .
[00:32] <seto> i work on comps all the time lol
[00:32] <seto> comp tech with 22 years under my belt
[00:32] <daftykins> gone in 5 years when you still have to edit xorg.conf to get ubuntu working on certain configs? get real
[00:32] <daftykins> can't be that good at what you do then
[00:32] <seto> actually im very good
[00:33] <daftykins> hah modest too
[00:33] <seto> the problem is windows 10 is a jacked up spyish os
[00:33] <seto> why be modest?
[00:33] <daftykins> careful, your tinfoil body suit is showing
[00:33] <seto> no tinfoil here
[00:33] <seto> i use to be a windows fan
[00:33] <seto> all i used was windows as my main os
[00:34] <seto> i just know what i see
[00:34] <daftykins> no you're regurgitating what the news sites have said
[00:34] <seto> I just did a computer the other day that had a windows 10 auto and forced (basically) update
[00:34] <seto> the system no longer boots at all
[00:35] <daftykins> reports of that are dubious at best
[00:35] <seto> had to reinstall windows 8.1 from bootable usb to fix it
[00:35] <seto> dubious?
[00:35] <seto> this guy never clicked on any thing
[00:35] <seto> he comes in to work and his system is hanging on boot
[00:35] <seto> we got it booted once
[00:35] <seto> and was presented with the windows 10 desk top
[00:36] <seto> he clicked the x on the upgrade notice box a few days prior
[00:36] <seto> thinking it would do as it always does and cancle the box
[00:36] <seto> cancel even
[00:36] <daftykins> you don't need to keep pressing enter btw, gets quite spammy
[00:36] <seto> instead that is the same as agreeing to the install
[00:36] <seto> sorry
[00:37] <seto> and there are others who have had the same issue that i have worked on. Some just do not like 10 others had no clue it was going to install etc
[00:38] <daftykins> i think they're just biased from the fear of change, so they're soured against it for that reason
[00:38] <seto> well i like allot of people like some of the changes to 10
[00:39] <seto> but not the way ms is basically forcing it on people thats just a bad idea
[00:39] <seto> as for fear of change in the last 5 or 6 weeks i have installed kubuntu on prob 15 or so systems for my customers
[00:40] <seto> and sense when does deb have live cd images? ...
[00:41] <dax> debian? about a decade
[00:41] <seto> with live cds?
[00:41] <dax> yes
[00:41] <dax> they're not default, but they're there
[00:41] <seto> i never seen it with a live desk top based install
[00:41] <seto> well damn lol
[00:41] <seto> my issues just got solved ....
[00:42] <seto> i know i can strip a deb install way the hell down
[00:42] <seto> my issue with debian was no internet at install time
[00:42] <seto> i suspect i can get deb to sub 3 gb install with lots of ease
[01:04] <NorbyDroid> Thank you Bashing-om.
[01:04] <NorbyDroid> I have been runnin a test on the drive and I will say it definately needs to be replaced.
[01:05] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Me .. I say again .. KISS .. I like it simple .
[01:05] <daftykins> SMART data > SMART tests
[01:05] <NorbyDroid> Quite.
[01:05] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Ouch ! I got a flakey drive too I have to replace .
[01:06] <NorbyDroid> Smart tests say the drive is good but the actual surface and other tests reveals alof of bad read/write areas.
[01:06] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: daftykins is great on SMART results .
[01:07] <daftykins> some call me... the disk killer
[01:07] <NorbyDroid> The system I am workin to use as a main system for my project is an old tablet computer (laptop) Centrino Duo (dual core) 2Ghz 2GB ram.
[01:07] <daftykins> Centrino is not a processor
[01:08] <NorbyDroid> The project is originally DOS but I also have it in Linux.  It is all text no graphics and includes time, date, progress bars, a robot, train, earth and moon, and a calendar for creating events that will be displayed on the train.
[01:16] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Got another drive handy .. or is the project at a stand still ?
[01:20] <NorbyDroid> I work on it with multiple computers and OS so definately not at a standstill.  I don't have another drive for the laptop and considering 1) 16GB SSD, SD->SATA adapter, or another SATA hard drive.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: UuuHHH.. SSD fast ! Not evem another thought .
[01:24] <daftykins> 16GB though? that's not an SSD
[01:25] <NorbyDroid> Quite, but I don't need speed.
[01:25] <NorbyDroid> Yes it is.  Let me find the link.
[01:27] <NorbyDroid> http://www.amazon.com/Kingspec-KSD-SA25-7-Channel-Internal-Solid/dp/B00JYB99O4/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
[01:29] <NorbyDroid> I am doin alot of research before I make my final decision.
[01:30] <OerHeks> lol 8 gb .. http://www.amazon.com/KingDian-Advertising-machine-client-Router/dp/B014VT6MLQ
[01:34] <NorbyDroid> I think that title is definately wrong.  It seems to be just a normal SSD not anything else.
[01:36] <daftykins> i wouldn't touch that
[01:38] <NorbyDroid> I look at reviews.  The more the better.  Ones with very little to none are really iffy and should be approached with extreme caution.
[01:40] <NorbyDroid> over 500 errors so far.  Definately a bad drive.
[01:51] <daftykins> "smartctl -a /dev/sdx" <-- all that's needed
[02:00] <seto> well 2 hours 30 more minutes till me deb live cd is finished dling lol
[02:01]  * daftykins looks at the channel name
[02:02] <OerHeks> just keep on watching youtube while you wait, seto
[02:02] <NorbyDroid> Please define ranting.
[02:02] <seto> heheh how did you know :p
[02:38] <NorbyDroid> Okay, don't tell me, but I took an 80GB sata outa an xp laptop and gonna try the ubuntu net install again.  Didn't want to but....
[02:40] <daftykins> why net install?
[02:41] <NorbyDroid> I wanna have the barest possible install and that is the only way I know to do it.  Just the command interface, x11, package support and internet.
[02:41] <NorbyDroid> And whatever is needed for said items.
[02:42] <daftykins> mmhmm.
[02:42] <NorbyDroid> Not sayin that what I wanna do will succeed, but I am gonna give it a go and see what happens.  Can't do any harm.
[02:43] <NorbyDroid> Actually I find tryin out stuff to be quite enjoyable.
[02:45] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: You are not only held tp a netinstall for a minimal install ; See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD .
[02:45] <NorbyDroid> otw
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> That is what I use.  The mini.iso image for Ubuntu 16.04
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> 32Bit edition
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> Called NetBoot
[02:51] <daftykins> no, net boot is deb talk
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:38] <tntsp1> Good morning.
[03:43] <tntsp1> I've recently installed Lubuntu on a few older computers. I'd love to pick up some tips on using it to its full potential from a few old hats. Do ya'll have any favorite pieces of software/applications for ubuntu?
[03:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: o/ ; shift change already ?
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om im bit early :p
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> tntsp1: defenatly preload
[03:44] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | tntsp1
[03:44] <Bashing-om> OH get your IRC quota before "work" ?
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: tuesday my 2 weeks course starts :p
[03:46] <Bashing-om> Well, we all look forward to the tid bits that get added into the IRC pantry .
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: i wont leave for sure, but it will shorten my online times
[03:49] <tntsp1> This sounds like a great application, even for low RAM systems. I'm now taking notes. Any others? Free games, like supertuxkart?
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> tntsp1: yeah for games check software center
[03:53] <lotuspsychje> tntsp1: mupdf and smplayer are nice, powerfull and lightweight
[03:57] <tntsp1> lotuspsychje: I have and telling which games are decent is difficult, to say the least. Why smplayer over VLC?
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> tntsp1: i found smplayer lighter then vlc on many 1080p movies
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> tntsp1: depends mostly on the graphics card ofcourse, but still smplayer is a nice piece of software
[04:02] <tntsp1> lotuspsychje: That makes sense, although the system currently only has a 360p screen. I'll have to install it over VLC from now on, if it is less resource hungry.
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> we recently discussed how robots will take over jobs here...
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> check this out: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> morning baizon
[05:43] <baizon> hi lotuspsychje
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> ibrumfield: morning
[05:49] <ibrumfield> lotuspsychje: morning
[05:53] <ibrumfield> lotuspsychje: how ya been?
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> great tnx and you ibrumfield
[05:55] <ibrumfield> lotuspsychje: not bad, picked up a raspberry pi 3. messing with that in the little free time i have
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:17] <ducasse> morning all
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse :p
[06:22] <ducasse> you good, lotuspsychje? :)
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> great and yourself ducasse ?
[06:23] <ducasse> bright-eyed and bushy-tailed ;)
[06:26] <ducasse> i've ordered the mikrotik router, and am waiting for lg to get back to me on how to unlock the bootloader on my phone. today i hpåe to do a little work on the ppa-purge wrapper Eric^^ and I were working on.
[06:26] <ducasse> *hope
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:28] <ducasse> trying to rewrite the main part in sed, but i'm just so bad with regexps :(
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah im not script wizard myself, sed aint easy
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: how much did the router cost?
[06:30] <ducasse> i got it brand-new for about half price, about £65.
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> neat
[06:31] <ducasse> http://routerboard.com/RB2011iL-RM
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> nice piece
[06:34] <ducasse> i'm just going to use it as a firewall + switch, so it should be good. i have a few 100mbps clients (like the rpi), so 5 gbps ports is enough. i use an openwrt router as an ap.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> great
[06:37] <ducasse> i think it will be fine. do you have any experience with any of the httpd daemons?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> no sorry
[09:22] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[09:22] <ducasse> hi, BluesKaj
[09:23] <BluesKaj> Hi ducasse
[09:23] <BluesKaj> woke up early
[09:25] <ducasse> i've been up for a few hours, it's *pouring* down here.
[09:27] <BluesKaj> warm and humid here today, 30C and 90% humidity
[09:27] <BluesKaj> forecast
[09:28] <ducasse> 30 is too hot for me, can't stand anything over 25 :)
[09:30] <BluesKaj> we're becoming used to the warmer temps and ppl are buying A/C systems or having them installed much more than in past yrs
[09:34] <ducasse> winters have gotten warmer here, but i haven't noticed it in the summers. when i was a kid we regularly had -30° and a meter of snow for four mmonths, now we might have -15 and 20cm.
[09:37] <BluesKaj> last winter was much milder than the previous, but we still have the odd -25 cold nights
[09:41] <ducasse> nights might get that cold here, but not days. at least not for several years. but i live pretty far south.
[09:43] <ducasse> i'm trying to choose a web server daemon for my ubuntu vps, not sure if i should go with one of the big ones or use something lightweight.
[09:43] <BluesKaj> well, by european stds we're quite far south, but not by NA perspective
[09:46] <BluesKaj> dunno anything about vps , never had the need for one i guess
[09:48] <ducasse> i use it as a mail server, and so i have access to a familiar shell with my usual tools when i can't reach my home network. now i need to serve a few static pages, stuff like my public gpg key etc.
[09:53] <BluesKaj> we have simple needs , gmail webmail works for our setups
[09:55] <ducasse> for many it does, but i don't want google scanning my mail to push the most profitable ads at me. never mind who they might share them with.
[09:58] <BluesKaj> adblock works
[10:01] <ducasse> sure, i never actually see ads, but that's not the point - my mail should be private. i encrypt a lot of it anyway, but i still don't want it to be automatically scanned by anyone.
[10:02] <ducasse> but that's just my opinion. i'm pretty particular about things like that.
[10:08] <BluesKaj> never had anything worriesome happen using gmail. It's just ordinary family or friends correspondence
[10:10] <ducasse> sure, i think europeans might feel more strongly about privacy in general...
[10:19] <BluesKaj> my family is originally from Finland, we emigrated to Canada in 1947 when i was a small child, but we were never more private than most of the people born here, they were actually more private than what our family was used to.
[10:20] <BluesKaj> fear of strangers, suspicious
[10:24] <ducasse> possible. north americans seem more willing to accept mass-surveillance than we do, though. also, the government here heavily advocates using encryption. unlike the us, for example.
[10:25] <ducasse> ...and we actually _have_ data protection laws. dunno about canada, though, i admit that.
[10:26] <BluesKaj> i have nothing to hide anyway , live a pretty ordinary life , don't think we draw much attention
[10:27] <ducasse> me neither. but i don't think "if you have nothing to hide..." is any kind of argument. we all have things we like to keep private.
[10:32] <ducasse> another thing is that i just like things like email to be under my control. i can do what i want with the server, set up any fubctionality i might want, and tailor it to suit my needs. but it's too much work for most people, i recognize that. email can be hard to administer correctly.
[10:32] <ducasse> *functionality
[10:32] <BluesKaj> of course, but there are some things we don't talk about in public anyway, encrypted or not, that's my POV
[10:33] <ducasse> i don't view email as "in public" :)
[10:35] <BluesKaj>  you must, otherwise why the encryption ?
[10:37] <ducasse> you need to expressly take action to intercept someone's email, and not anyone can do it. it's still a semi-private conversation that nobody except sender and recipient has any business reading.
[10:40] <BluesKaj> well, then privacy is a matter of degree, and I regard email/webmil as public if it can be intercepted by intersted parties, that's all , but I don't think my emails are all that interesting :-)
[10:45] <ducasse> under our laws, email is considered private. i just have a problem with facebook and google having so much information on people, so i use neither.
[10:45] <ducasse> but my emails are _not_ interesting either :-)
[10:47] <BluesKaj> of course emails are private correspondence under most democratic countries' laws, that's a given, but there are plenty of lawbrekers out there
[10:48] <ducasse> that's why i encrypt :)
[10:51] <BluesKaj> and tha's why i look at email as public, but I still see the point of encrypting ordinary email, because  who really cares anyway?
[10:52] <BluesKaj> don't see the point  :-)
[10:53] <ducasse> it's just so easy to set up, so in my opinion - why not? :) of course, i still correspond with people who don't use pgp, and i don't insist on it. i'm not fanatical about it or anything.
[10:59] <ducasse> but if anyone were to decrypt my emails they would be terribly disappointed to have expended the effort :) no plots to overthrow any governments :)
[17:11] <NorbyDroid> Bashing-om, It sems the 16.04 is broken at this time.  All tests in virtual and live systems it goes through the install fine but once completed ya cannot get in without goin through the 'Recovery Mode'.  14.04 and 15.10 do work as expected.
[17:12] <NorbyDroid> The mini.iso installs.
[17:16] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Ouch .. I have not to this time looked at the 16.04 mini . Do not know what to say other than verify the md5sums .
[17:18] <NorbyDroid> Just lettin ya know my tests.  No worries.  Gonna use the 15.10 for now.
[17:19] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: I do appreciate the heads up and I do intend a fresh clean install of 16.04 mini when I get a longed for SSD to install onto .
[17:20] <NorbyDroid> Bashing-om, Okay.  Let me know when ya do and the results.  Thank you.
[17:21] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Maybe a while as finances are tight right now .
[17:21] <NorbyDroid> Bashing-om, I know how that is all too well.
[17:24] <Bashing-om> My system is "crippled" with an un-reliable hard drive .. but I can limp along 'til I can do better ,, and the better is - I want an SSD !
[17:25] <NorbyDroid> That is understandable.
[17:25] <BluesKaj> the samsung evo 850s are on sale at amazon Bashing-om ...I think
[17:28] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Well .. will have to check .. Presently if $100.00 were on sale for $10.00, I would not be able to purchase :) Daughters !
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, understood , i have 3 duaghters , all grown and gone now , but I recall very well what you mean. :-)
[17:31] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Be prepared .. Daughters can return with more bodies in tow than they left with .
[17:32] <BluesKaj> daughters even...it already happened
[17:33] <OerHeks> al least you don't have to trim daughters.
[17:33] <BluesKaj> no trim needed for the newer ssds
[17:34] <BluesKaj> altho I suppose it can't hurt
[17:35] <OerHeks> just finished chicken and rice .. or should i have waited for the chicken
[17:37] <Bashing-om> Chicken is good, in some instances serves better than an SSD .
[17:38] <OerHeks> yes, they are picky
[17:41] <Bashing-om> Done advised daughters, they can cease being picky - daddy wants his SSD ( and a decent Nvidia graphic's card ).
[17:43] <ducasse> i'm lookin for a nice m.2 ssd for my desktop to replace a sata ssd, can't decide between samsung and intel.
[17:45] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Samsung is really playing their new controller algorythims up ... sure looks enticing for the money as compared to what Intel wants .
[17:46] <ducasse> yes, the 950 looks nice. i'll probably go for that as the other ssd (the one i'll keep) in that machine is samsung.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> ducasse, the M2 are almost twice the price of the sata
[17:48] <ducasse> i know, but *much* faster :)
[17:49] <BluesKaj> don't see how it could get much faster on this old pc , proly can't use the M2 type anyway
[17:49] <ducasse> i'm just getting a small one for / anyway, i have a big sata ssd for /home - good enough.
[17:51] <BluesKaj> yeah, I have  / and /home on this ssd , but all the media files are on an outboard sata drive
[17:53] <ducasse> all the media and stuff is on my zfs mirror on the nfs server, i don't care about speeds for that. root and home, however...
[22:24] <NorbyDroid> I am fully functional now.  Had to go and use 14.04  including wifi.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Outstanding ! Glad ya made it .
[22:28] <NorbyDroid> Not as much as I Bashing-om.
[22:29] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: I can imagine .. logging .. check that you need 'anacron' I had to install it in my 1st install way bck .
[22:29] <Bashing-om> back*
[22:30] <NorbyDroid> I don't get why I can't boot via 15.10/16.04 installs, but 14.04 seems to be fully functional so will start there.
[22:31] <NorbyDroid> I have wifi (usin an external wifi usb stick) so that is a plus.
[22:32] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: I do not have a clue why 15.10+ would have issues . but 14.04 will upgrade when the need arises :)
[22:33] <NorbyDroid> That is good.
[22:35] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: I am a nut about my logs. check ' cat /etc/crontab ' is "anacron" required in your install per that file ?
[22:35] <NorbyDroid> one moment and i'll check.
[22:39] <NorbyDroid> It is mentioned 3 times in the file.
[22:39] <NorbyDroid> /usr/sbin/anacron
[22:40] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Took me a WHILE to fugure out in that initial install that anacron is not installed . check ' dpkg -l anacron ' .
[22:44] <NorbyDroid> un anacron none none no description
[22:44] <NorbyDroid> I guess it might not be installed
[22:44] <NorbyDroid> What is that needed for?
[22:45] <NorbyDroid> I have the compiler I use and the dependencies installed.  Now I have to transfer over my source files and compile and run it to see if it works.
[22:45] <NorbyDroid> Where is the pizza and party hats?  rofl
[22:46] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Logging . do : ' apt show anacron ' for an eyefull .
[22:48] <Bashing-om> After all the effort, and expectation .. past and future .. you are for sure ready to celebrate .. bring on the party !
[22:48] <NorbyDroid> lol
[22:49] <NorbyDroid> Okay I now have alot of learning to get used to the linux command line.
[22:49] <NorbyDroid> I am already well versed in the art of DOS, but this is a new turkey.
[22:50] <NorbyDroid> If I hook up a USB stick to the USB port, how do I get it usable?
[22:50] <NorbyDroid> I know mount and umount are commands to actually connect/disconnect it
[22:53] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: System will auto detect -- ouch no desktop . let's stick it in and see what the logs say ' tail -f /var/log/syslog ' and them connect the usb drive . Generally  gvfs will pick up and mount it .. no GUI not sure what will happen .
[22:54] <NorbyDroid> oops already connected it.
[22:55] <NorbyDroid> Mentions sdb
[22:56] <NorbyDroid> ChronosBot Kernel  lol
[22:57] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: well .. single hard drive on the box ? then we can "assume" sdb is the usb drive .. verify by ' sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[22:58] <NorbyDroid> Verified
[23:00] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: ' ls -al /media/<username> ' gives us the ID of the device ..once we have the ID we can access it in terminal .
[23:01] <NorbyDroid> /dev/sdb1
[23:03] <NorbyDroid> I did a quick google search and got it.  Now the issue is copyin the MyNorby folder to the home folder.
[23:04] <NorbyDroid> For me, at least, this stuff is a breeze.  lol
[23:05] <NorbyDroid> If I run ' cp MyNorby ~/ ' I get error ' omitting directory MyNorby '
[23:09] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: K .. still need to know that mount point . ' ls -al /media/sysop/ >> drwx------  10 sysop sysop 16384 Dec 31  1969 8023-774F ' . Where I am sysop . then one cam see the foiles on the usb drive like so ' ls -al ls -al /media/sysop/8023-774F ' .
[23:10] <NorbyDroid> Right now the USB is viewable on /mnt/usbdrive mounted from /dev/sdb1
[23:10] <Bashing-om> nor. so who owns that directory // ' ls -al ~/MyNorby ' .. root ??
[23:13] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Light reading : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions ; http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions .
[23:13] <NorbyDroid> right now there is no folder in the home folder.
[23:13] <NorbyDroid> Gotcha
[23:13] <NorbyDroid> chmod
[23:15] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: NTFS file system is not posix complient .. if it ain't linux ./.. exercise more care .
[23:16] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: chmod only works for linux file systems .
[23:20] <NorbyDroid> Oh.  I just remember chmod from days gone by.
[23:20] <NorbyDroid> when it comes to permissions in linux
[23:21] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Back in the day .. linux did not talk Windows and OSX // now we can . but the proprieties must be observed .