[03:13] <berglh> anyone in here know about zfs on ubuntu 16.04?
[03:13] <berglh> i upgraded from 15.10 and noticed i have some dkms modules that are not consistent with what is instaleld
[03:14] <berglh> i get the impression that the old dkms modules build on a new kernel install, even though this is done by default already
[03:14] <berglh> wondering if i have to remove a package to prevent this
[07:00] <rory> I'm using Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 and I have a couple of questions. (1) How do I disable hot corners? (2) How do I disable mouse acceleration?
[07:01] <rory> Isudo apt install shutter
[07:01] <rory> mn2100iabc
[07:03] <rory>     curl https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/txt/xenial/sources_886112814d843d0931bcc396b517157db24d272b.txt | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:03] <rory> oh fucking lame
[07:16] <rory> https://bugs.launchpad.net/terminator/+bug/1586734
[18:00] <extinct_potato> Hello everyone
[18:00] <SonikkuAmerica> hi
[18:01] <SonikkuAmerica> can we help ya?
[18:01] <extinct_potato> i've just installed Ubuntu GNMOME, and I like it but I've got some performance issues
[18:02] <extinct_potato> mainly talking about boot process
[18:02] <extinct_potato> it takes a little bit too much time to boot up - 30 seconds or something according to systemd-analyze
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> !pastebin
[18:03] <SonikkuAmerica> can you pastebin the output of [ inxi -F ]?
[18:04] <extinct_potato> of course, wait a second
[18:05] <extinct_potato> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16815715/
[18:05] <extinct_potato> here you go
[18:06] <SonikkuAmerica> How much RAM is in the machine?
[18:06] <extinct_potato> 2 gigs
[18:07] <SonikkuAmerica> 2 GB + Core 2 Duo = a bit slow
[18:08] <extinct_potato> yeah, but I can still remember that Win7 used to run fine on it :/
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> You have a 64-bit CPU, so I'd slap a little more RAM in that thing.
[18:08] <SonikkuAmerica> It was probably 32-bit Windows 7. 64-bit wouldn't run remotely as fast as 32-bit would on only 2 GB
[18:09] <extinct_potato> You're right, it was 32-bit
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> See? I have telepathic powers!
[18:09] <extinct_potato> So, do you think that adding 2GB more of RAM would be enough?
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> :P
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 4 GB on a Core 2 should get you by.
[18:09] <extinct_potato> what about actually improving my boot speed?
[18:09] <SonikkuAmerica> And use the amd64 image.
[18:09] <extinct_potato> I do use amd64
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK
[18:10] <SonikkuAmerica> As for your dedicated boot time, we throw a ton of hooks in after loading up the Linux kernel and the initial ramdisk. Unless you know what you're doing you shouldn't really play around in there.
[18:11] <extinct_potato> Can you explain me why does it take longer to boot that Windows?
[18:11] <extinct_potato> I'm not trolling or something, just asking.
[18:12] <jbicha> if you're upgrading your ram, you might want to max it out, that model may support 8GB total
[18:12] <SonikkuAmerica> jbicha has a point extinct_potato
[18:12] <extinct_potato> Didn't even know. Might as well give it 8GB.
[18:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, Windows and Ubuntu handle boot processes differently under the hood, but the gist is essentially the same. However, Windows isn't busy loading (as many) kernel drivers and modules at boot, like the Linux kernel does.
[18:14] <extinct_potato> I don't need many of them, do I?
[18:16] <extinct_potato> I mean, the kernel modules.
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> well, in Linux, a lot of drivers for which open-source software is coded are already in the kernel itself and get unloaded with the kernel itself. Well, Windows and Ubuntu handle boot processes differently under the hood
[18:16] <SonikkuAmerica> err
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> ignore the 2nd sentence.
[18:17] <SonikkuAmerica> http://qdb.us/39938 is a crude, but well-written explanation
[18:18] <extinct_potato> Dude, that actually so accurate
[18:18] <extinct_potato> It really makes me mad whenever I plug a USB stick on windows machine
[18:18] <extinct_potato> it has to install drivers for separate ports (!)
[18:19] <extinct_potato> Actually Linux handles it better
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Agreed.
[18:19] <SonikkuAmerica> And with systemd (which is default in 15.04 onward), we have one hook for all modules
[18:20] <extinct_potato> Speaking of systemd...
[18:20] <extinct_potato> is there any option to install OS with upstart instead of systemd?
[18:20] <extinct_potato> I've got an old ass laptop from 2003 that doesn't like systemd
[18:20] <extinct_potato> Specifically it goes to sleep every 16 seconds
[18:21] <extinct_potato> Doesn't happen with upstart or sysvinit though
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> You can head into "Advanced options for Ubuntu" at the GRUB menu and select the option that uses upstart
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> I dunno how long that will last though.
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> You may want to ask in #ubuntu-devel.
[18:23] <extinct_potato> Oh, okay, will try to ask them
[18:23] <extinct_potato> I've got only one question left and I'll be going
[18:23] <extinct_potato> it's related to Gnome
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> k
[18:24] <extinct_potato> so it works like a breeze at first, but after, let's say, few hours applications take longer to load, and the whole experience is just more laggy
[18:24] <extinct_potato> what might be causing it?
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> 2 GB of RAM, maybe a GPU
[18:25] <jbicha> a fresh install of Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 does not come with upstart
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh it doesn't? Xubuntu does.
[18:25] <SonikkuAmerica> (but that's Xubuntu's design choice, probably)
[18:26] <jbicha> yes and it looks like Unity does, but not UG: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/16.04/release/ubuntu-gnome-16.04-desktop-amd64.manifest
[18:26] <extinct_potato> I use Xubuntu on that laptop anyway
[18:26] <extinct_potato> Nothing else would work
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> also, that would make sense, because GNOME past 3.14 REQUIRES systemd, I think
[18:26] <extinct_potato> It's really old and crappy, lol
[18:26] <SonikkuAmerica> or is it including 3.14?
[18:29] <extinct_potato> it is inclufing 3.14
[18:31] <extinct_potato> buuuut...
[18:31] <extinct_potato> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/GNOME_Without_systemd
[18:31] <extinct_potato> yeah, it is possible.
[18:32] <extinct_potato> actually I've been thinking recently about doing an Arch or Gentoo install
[18:32] <extinct_potato> is it worth all the hassle?
[18:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Well that's your choice, really
[18:37] <extinct_potato> yeah, I think i'll just stick to ubuntu gnome. anyway, thanks for help, and have nice day!
[18:38] <SonikkuAmerica> k bye
[18:42] <sej> he must try out some other de imo
[18:42] <sej> oh, he is online
[18:42] <sej> i think gnome is heavy
[18:43] <sej> in terms of ram atleast
[18:43] <sej> it starts with evolution,calendar syncing etc suite
[18:44] <sej> maybe lxde or mate?
[18:44] <sej> if u dont plan on using the evolution suite that is
[18:50] <extinct_potato> yeah, i'm a genious, forgot to close hexchat
[18:50] <extinct_potato> well, I don't use evolution anyway
[18:50] <extinct_potato> that'd be great if I could remove it some way
[18:50] <extinct_potato> and also get rid  of telepathy
[18:50] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt remove evolution telepathy* ]
[18:51] <extinct_potato> That is not wise thing to do to be honest
[18:51] <extinct_potato> It will also remove gnome-desktop
[18:51] <extinct_potato> and gdm3
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> it removes gdm?
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> wow
[18:56] <extinct_potato> yeah, and everything related to gnome
[18:56] <jbicha> evolution-data-server is needed by gnome
[18:57] <extinct_potato> what for? ;/
[18:57] <sej> yes
[18:57] <sej> it removes gdm
[18:57] <jbicha> gnome-shell uses it for the built-in calendar in the top bar for instance
[18:57] <sej> and many other core gnome things
[18:57] <extinct_potato> oh, I get it
[18:57] <SonikkuAmerica> Haha, integration strikes again!
[18:57] <extinct_potato> but telepathy?
[18:57] <jbicha> you can remove evolution
[18:57] <jbicha> but e-d-s is a system library
[18:57] <sej> whats telepathy
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> I didn't say remove evolution*, just evolution
[18:58] <extinct_potato> umm its that service that claims to make communication easy
[18:58] <extinct_potato> basically a framework of some sort
[18:58] <sej> ]just evolution also removes everything @ SonikkuAmerica
[18:58] <sej> oh
[18:58] <sej> ok
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> err
[18:58] <sej> so y remove that?
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> no it doesn't.
[18:59] <extinct_potato> well evolution doesn't remove eveything
[18:59] <SonikkuAmerica> It may call [ apt-mark auto ] though
[18:59] <extinct_potato> no, it worked just fine when I removed evolution
[18:59] <sej> hmm
[18:59] <sej> seems to work fine now
[18:59] <extinct_potato> yup
[19:00] <sej> but
[19:00] <sej> what was that i tried removing which removed all gnome related, i forgot
[19:01] <extinct_potato> yeah, but "sudo apt-get remove telepathy*" wants to remove gnome-desktop, gdm3 and so on
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> You may not want to do that.
[19:01] <sej> hmm
[19:01] <sej> but i didnt know about telepathy
[19:01] <extinct_potato> Yeah, definetly don't wanna do that
[19:01] <sej> so mostly i didnt do that
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> try tossing [ empathy ]
[19:01] <sej> naa
[19:01] <extinct_potato> already got rid of it
[19:02] <sej> just empathy it gets rid of
[19:02] <sej> 1
[19:02] <sej> i havent removed
[19:02] <sej> jsut for the idea of builtin message notification and reply system
[19:02] <sej> although i never use empathy
[19:02] <sej> like ever
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> but doesn't that use notify-osd?
[19:02] <sej> i have no idea
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> (and libnotify?)
[19:03] <sej> it lets you reply from the notification bar
[19:03] <sej> not bar
[19:03] <sej> whatever u call the center thing
[19:03] <sej> top
[19:03] <sej> if only they could integrate thunderbird into GNOME rather than the shitty evolution
[19:04] <extinct_potato> If there is no way to remove telepathy, maybe there's some way to prevent it from starting in the background?
[19:04] <sej> y do u want to stop telepathy
[19:04] <sej> is it that heavy?
[19:05] <extinct_potato> yeah, would like to chop of some ram usage ;P
[19:06] <sej> i am sure u didnt install chrome
[19:06] <sej> :'D
[19:06] <extinct_potato> no, I don't use chrome
[19:06] <extinct_potato> I use Firefox
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> No, I'm the one using Chrome
[19:06] <sej> even if u want
[19:06] <sej> u cant
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> ?!
[19:07] <extinct_potato> why?!
[19:07] <sej> 2gb ram bruh :P
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Chrome will run easily on 2 GB RAM
[19:07] <sej> tsk tsk
[19:07] <sej> i know
[19:08] <sej> not if u have 10tabs and few extension
[19:08] <sej> nvm
[19:08] <sej> how much is ur ram SonikkuAmerica
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8
[19:09] <sej> extinct_potato: telepathy taking 2mb of ram for me
[19:09] <sej> oh
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 bits
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[19:09] <sej> same as me SonikkuAmerica
[19:09] <sej> lol
[19:09] <extinct_potato> yeah, noticed it too
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 GB 1 TB. Running Arch with KDE.
[19:09] <extinct_potato> i must have mistaken it with another service
[19:09] <sej> 8gb with 1.25tb ubuntu gnome :/
[19:10] <sej> kde man, its too heavy
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> 1.25 TB? Where on earth do you get a 1.25 TB disk?
[19:10] <sej> 1tb + 250gb ssd
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> ah
[19:10] <sej> :umm:
[19:10] <sej> and whats with the fucking app names
[19:10] <sej> K
[19:10] <sej> K
[19:10] <sej> K
[19:10] <sej> urgh
[19:10] <sej> its not intensional, i know but still :P
[19:11] <sej> intentional*
[19:11] <extinct_potato> but k3b is dope
[19:11] <sej> k3b?
[19:11] <extinct_potato> best disc suite out there
[19:11] <extinct_potato> cd/dvd/bluray ripping, recording, got them all
[19:11] <sej> oh
[19:11] <sej> who uses a dvd bruh
[19:11] <extinct_potato> and it happens to be from kde suite
[19:12] <extinct_potato> I do ;P
[19:12] <sej> tsk tsk tsk
[19:12] <sej> what do u use it for
[19:12] <extinct_potato> mainly for linux install discs
[19:12] <extinct_potato> actually only for that
[19:12] <sej> ever heard of a pen dirve
[19:12] <extinct_potato> ever heard of ancient computers I have to work with? :P
[19:12] <sej> oh :P
[19:12] <sej> sry
[19:12] <sej> my bad
[19:12] <extinct_potato> people who I meet have various machines :)
[19:13] <sej> u must have an interesting life :')
[19:13] <SonikkuAmerica> 8 bits of RAM would be just horrible
[19:13] <extinct_potato> yeah, 16 y/o doing linux installations for computer illiterates
[19:13] <extinct_potato> very cool
[19:13] <sej> haha
[19:14] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm 22 and an independent computer technician (not cert'ed yet but working on it)
[19:14] <extinct_potato> Do you actually make money on what you do?
[19:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I just got paid today
[19:15] <sej> whats a computer technician
[19:16] <sej> like hardware n all
[19:16] <SonikkuAmerica> hardware, software, basic and advanced troubleshooting, etc.
[19:16] <sej> hmm
[19:16] <sej> it pays well?
[19:16] <sej> in ur country at least?
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> sej: In the USA? Absolutely!
[21:02] <sej> oh
[21:02] <sej> nice
[21:02] <sej> what about college degrees then