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* dpaterso is punchy this evening05:21
* dpaterso half caught a rat under the deck. Listening to it rattle around under there05:22
dpatersoWhy did Matt stop co-hosting the Linux Action show?05:23
yo123hi08:03
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alan_Hello world09:04
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Guest26728Hi can I add a networked printer09:05
Guest26728Easy, thanks for all your help09:06
guyk啊   哈 我也安装了 ubuntu mate09:30
guyk大家好  你们用的 默认的源 还是修改了10:00
guyk我用了UBUNTU的 163的元源   怎么更新的时候全是忽略啊10:03
guykHello everyone you use the default software source it?10:52
guykI added the source 163 how updates are prompted to skip ah10:52
armanhi11:03
guyk怎么都 没有人说话啊11:54
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francesco_Hello everyone, i'm trying Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my pc (a desktop, a Dell Inspiron 530) and the cabled network doesn't seem to work... here is some data (ifconfig, dmesg, lspci -vv):  http://pastebin.com/raw/UPJkx5xD15:16
guykI use Toshiba's computer, there is no cable, no you say this15:28
francesco_the ethernet cable is connected, i have just rebooted to use irc and i'm writing from lubuntu 14.0415:31
francesco_if have eth0 instead of enp0s25 and ifconfig reports Link encap:Ethernet  IndirizzoHW 00:1e:c9:6e:6c:??         indirizzo inet:192.168.1.1315:32
gordonjcpfrancesco_: that all looks pretty normal15:34
gordonjcpfrancesco_: and it doesn't get an IP address at all, in 16.04?15:35
francesco_Ok but this is the message from lubuntu 14.04. With 16.04 i don't get an ip.15:35
francesco_gordonjcp, i'll try to reboot with ubuntu mate 16.04 and to use dhclient. Thank you.15:42
francesco_I'm writing this from ubuntu mate 16.04 . Dhclient hasn't worked. I have removed and replugged the ethernet cable from the router and it works. relevant dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809823/plain/15:50
ubuntu-mateHola15:51
ubuntu-mate¿Alguien habla español?15:52
jeffreyAnyone know if the Mate forum is down?16:25
mate|15007hello guys16:25
mate|15007i wanna ask a question16:25
mate|15007my laptop is x86_64 1GB RAM16:26
mate|15007can I use 64 bit ubuntu mate 16.04 that require 1,5GB RAM?16:26
ubuntu-mate_Hola, quiero instalar Ubuntu Mate 16.04- Necesito ayuda16:27
ubuntu-mate_quiero instalarlo junto con Wind716:27
TheMariusmate|15007, maybe go for something lighter ... such as www.lxle.net16:28
TheMariusor lubuntu16:28
steffen-piHi :-)16:28
mate|15007themarius how if I install 32 bit version ubuntu mate 16.0416:28
ubuntu-mate_¿Alguien habla español?16:29
TheMariusif you have that slow of a computer id seriosly rather go with www.lxle.net or lubuntu or crunchbang plusplus16:29
ubuntu-mate_32bit16:29
ubuntu-mate_U-MATE 16.04 32bit16:29
steffen-pioh my Pi is heating up :(16:29
TheMariuslook them up, mate|15007 ... its not that much different ... ubuntu mate is good but so is lxle and crunchbang16:30
ubuntu-mate_Not Lubunto, I like Ubuntu MATE16:30
TheMariusis it you with the 1.5 gb ram?16:30
TheMariusubuntu-mate_,16:30
TheMariusin that case id probably go either lxle or crunchbang16:31
TheMariusits as stripped down as it gets, yet good looking and functional16:31
TheMariusexcept maybe puppy linux and slitaz but then you're going lightweight and functionality drops16:32
ubuntu-mate_¿Como elijo la particiOn junto con Wind7?16:32
TheMariustheres lightweight like lxle and crunchbang that works well.. and theres ultralightweight like puppy and slitaz (or arch) but then you should know what youre doing16:32
steffen-pi%n = Steffen16:33
steffen-pixD16:33
ubuntu-mate_¿nadie habla español?16:34
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azteria2000okay thanks for your advice16:38
azteria2000but I do know ubuntu mate is for minimal hardware16:38
azteria2000minimal for 512 RAM16:39
ubuntu-mate_:(16:41
ubuntu-mate_¿antes de instalar U-MATE debo crear una particiOn en Wind7?16:44
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LangleyHelp, my installation wont boot unless the install USB is plugged in, otherwise it'll just say "Read error"17:58
nedstarkLangley, use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/17:59
nedstarkif grub is broke, it fixes it automatically18:00
MyshaDoes everybody have a Firefox in 16.04 that scrolls the wrong way round: Jumps when clicking on the scrollbar and scrolls when shift-clicking?18:07
SonikkuAmericaMysha: I wouldn't know, I use Chrome18:11
MyshaWell, is that a "No", or do you have an unused Firefox installed that you could fire up to check?18:12
SonikkuAmericaWell, I just installed Arch Linux with an Xubuntu image, which, like all the other Ubuntu flavours, comes with Firefox, so you're in luck, testing-wise18:23
SonikkuAmericabut scrolling acted normally in Xubuntu 16.04 LTS18:24
SonikkuAmericaand this persists across Firefox and computer restarts?18:24
MyshaAcross Firefox, in that in page scroll bars misfunction that way as well. And I think I have in fact reboot at some point since I installed 16.04 last week, so: Yes, that to.18:27
Mysha(What would "normal" be to you?)18:27
LangleyI can't boot that boot repair cd..18:34
MyshaI have no idea, but; What happens if you try?18:46
LangleyI can't get this thing installed. It just boots with "Loading operation system... read error" if the USB key is not present18:59
SonikkuAmericaMysha: It scrolls according to whether or not natural scrolling is enabled, ofc19:00
MyshaSonikkuAmerica: Enlighten me about natural scrolling, and where it's en/dis-able, please?19:13
SonikkuAmericaMysha: Ever used OS X?19:14
MyshaLangley: So, basically you tried to install from an USB but it didn't do it right? Or did it work right earlier?19:15
Mysha"USB stick"19:15
LangleyI can install fine but it wont boot afterwards if the USB is not present19:16
MyshaSonikkuAmerica: There's an ibook somewhere on this desk. Nothing recent, though. I think the snow beast couldn't be installed on it.19:16
SonikkuAmericaMysha: Ah. OS X has it enabled by default; it's where the scroll wheel is inverted19:17
MyshaOK, don't know what that's called when translated. Can I switch it of in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, because to me reading a page is by nature going down bit by bit, not jumping somewhere and finding out where you are.19:18
Mysha?19:18
Mysha<Langley>: I guess I would qualify that as "not installed correctly".19:19
LangleySo how would I install it "correctly"19:19
MyshaThat's the part where I said to start with: "I have no idea." I could get you to describe the situation clearer, but now I hope someone else can step in who does have a clue.19:20
LangleyI've just installed it into a harddrive and put he bootloader there. And then it just says "Read error" when trying to boot, if the USB is not plugged in19:22
MyshaOK; the bootloader is on the hard disk, but is it also trying to boot the OS you installed on the hard disk?19:25
LangleyHow would I know?19:26
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Mysha<SonikkuAmerica>: It looks like natural scrolling is about the direction you scroll, rather than about the mode of scrolling.19:26
SonikkuAmericaYou'd be right.19:26
SonikkuAmericaThat's the only option I can think of, though.19:27
SonikkuAmericaSo - have you tried with multiple pointing devices?19:27
Mysha<Langley>: The bootloader can be told to show aninterface, I believe, but if you don't see an appropriate message flash by, you'll need someone with bootloader knowledge. I haven't messed with those for several years.19:28
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Mysha<SonikkuAmerica>: Adding an extra mouse? How would that make a difference? Anyway, it's Firefox doing this, as far as I can tell: Even Thunderbird is OK.19:30
SonikkuAmericaI was about to say "it may be hardware-specific"19:31
MyshaOh: Did I try a different mouse." No, I didn't. Unlikely for a single program, though.19:31
LangleyMaybe it's the hard drive... tried installing Solus, it's stuck at "Loading operating system...GRUB loading"19:33
Mysha<SonikkuAmerica>: Tried a different mouse, just to be sure. No different.19:34
SonikkuAmericaOK19:35
SonikkuAmericaMysha: Did you try purging and reinstalling?19:35
MyshaLangley: It's an oldie, but did you see this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903015 ?19:38
Mysha<SonikkuAmerica>: So far I haven't. It's quite normal for me to constantly have projects open in Firefox where I'm several steps in a tree I'm walking.19:40
MyshaBut if I'm the only one who has this problem, then eventually I probably will.19:40
LangleySo his solution was to update BIOS... good idea19:45
LangleyGood thing I didn't begin replacing the drive right away19:45
dev_Hi19:52
skorpnanybody home today with a few minutes to help a guy out with mate install please?20:31
skorpnI was forced to use Ubuntu Server 16.04 so I could install my SSD's into a raid array so that my ubuntu machine has a nice large ssd to call home. After install I updated and installed ubuntu-desktop because mate would not install with an error that said ubuntu-mate-core was not found.20:33
skorpnSo now that I have desktop almost installed I am wondering if I can try again with proper install commands?20:33
skorpnSo question is, does anyone here know how to install MATE via command line onto Server that already has Unity installed? Please20:35
bdragonslseems way more complicated than anything I've ever done.  But i really don't mess around with Linux too much.  I plan to change that thought.20:38
bdragonsl*though20:38
skorpnsame here20:39
skorpnafter 30 years of messing with Microsoft, I am calling 2016 my year to dump them20:39
bdragonslright now I'm just glad I'm not using windows.  All the horror stories about sneak upgrades to windows 10 is insane.20:39
bdragonsl2015 was my year to go back full steam20:40
skorpnI been using Linux since the mid 90's however its always been the dual boot or second machine kind of thing, and my old employers did not do linux20:41
skorpnSince I am in Albuqerque, Microsofts origiinal home all the tech businesses here practically grew up on Windows20:42
bdragonslsame here, I always kept it as a backup kinda thing, but it's gotten to the point to where you can use it for a daily driver and is probably better for that use-case than windows is now.20:42
bdragonslah, windows die-hards huh20:42
skorpnI dont think I can totally give it up so I want to try Linux on the main SSD and instead of dual booting, do a VM with the latest Windows 10 preview installed. Then I can have my beloved MATE booting regularly, with the occasional Windows 10 bout within VM20:44
skorpnHoping that suits me better20:44
bdragonslwhat did you use on win10 that you need?20:44
skorpnvery little20:45
skorpnlol20:45
skorpnI LOVE the new Skype UWP app20:45
skorpnblack theme with light colored text20:46
skorpncant get that on Linux20:46
bdragonslskype can be installed on linux20:46
skorpnyeah a very old crappy build20:46
skorpnGoogle Earth on Windows actually has photos that pop up, something that is only a white bubble on Linux20:47
skorpnI've spent days trying to fix that to no avail20:47
bdragonslI was never a fan of skype.  I do think android is going the right way though.  Their new duo app looks like it might make people actually use video calling on their phones now.20:47
skorpnproblem is my employer was using Skype ever since its creation, so I have hundreds of contacts on Skype20:48
bdragonslyeah, google usually forgets linux, even though their chromebooks would be crap without it.20:48
skorpnlol20:48
bdragonslleast they could do is provide better support for the linux community since they basically owe it to Linux for having a platform to customize and build off of.  Otherwise they'd have had to start completely from scratch.20:49
skorpnyes20:49
skorpnwell I have Ubuntu working now20:51
skorpnJust need to figure out how to turn that into Ubuntu MATE20:51
bdragonslgratz!20:51
bdragonslmate as in the de? Or as a full install?20:52
skorpnde20:54
skorpnI thought this would work20:54
skorpnsudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \20:54
skorpnubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop20:54
skorpnbut it does NOT20:54
skorpnthrows up an error20:54
skorpnsays ubuntu-mate-core can not be found20:54
skorpnI wonder if I now remove Unity, if it will retain the video card drivers and thus let me use MATE20:55
bdragonsltry this:  sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core20:55
skorpnjust never done this before20:55
skorpnok20:55
skorpnbrb20:55
bdragonslsorry, go here first.20:56
bdragonslhttp://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download20:56
bdragonslit has install instructions for for the mate de that should get it installed for you.20:56
bdragonslbrb, vape break20:57
skorpnk20:58
skorpnhmm, this unity feels OK to me. Granted I havn't tried it since it was first released and hated it back then21:04
skorpnlol21:04
skorpnthis is confusing, during install I had internet, but after installing Unity I have no network connection21:07
petermorehello21:07
skorpnhello21:07
petermorei installa mate 16.0421:08
petermoreand all is right21:08
petermorebut i cant change the brightness21:08
petermoresomeone have the same problem?21:08
skorpnOK nevermind me, it was easy enough to get it working21:09
petermoredo you know how fix¿?21:10
skorpnIm here for help myself21:10
skorpnnoob me is21:10
skorpndont you have a brightness button on your display?21:11
petermoreyes21:11
petermorei press the botton and i see the display21:12
petermorebut not change21:12
skorpnhmm21:12
skorpnmine barely changes anything21:12
Mysha<skorpn>: Once you have one Ubuntu running, the other desktops are in the repository. That should now be true for MATE as well.21:12
skorpnoh really21:12
skorpnso the previous commands should work the second time then?21:12
MyshaCommands?21:13
skorpnyeah my previous attempt to install threw up an error21:13
MyshaHold on, I'll read back to see what I missed.21:14
skorpnsudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \21:14
skorpnubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop21:14
skorpnTHAT told me that core was not found21:14
skorpnusing instructions from --> http://hiroom2.jimdo.com/2016/05/21/install-mate-desktop/#sec-221:15
skorpnreading thru the official stuff now21:15
skorpnoh wait, I think it is working a second try21:18
MyshaHm, that looks weird. Like they're forgetting to install the desktop itself.21:18
skorpnyeah21:18
MyshaIt works?21:18
skorpnits actually doing something this time21:18
skorpnlol21:18
skorpnits downloading files now21:18
skorpn1126 MB21:18
skorpnsounds like a de to me21:19
MyshaDrum rolls21:19
skorpnlol21:19
bdragonslhuzzah!!21:19
skorpnnow I have to figure out how to switch from unity to mate and back21:20
skorpnI assume I can have two de's at the same time installed21:20
MyshaDidn't you just remove unity?21:20
skorpnno21:20
skorpnI was scared to do that considering how big of a dl it is if it failed21:21
randallyeah skorpn you can have as many as you want, and just awitch at login21:21
skorpnits well over 2gb21:21
bdragonslgonna switch clients, brb21:21
skorpnok21:21
MyshaBVut, yes, you can have multiple desktops and choose at log in. (At least, that used to be true; I haven't messed with that recently.)21:21
MyshaRandall: Ah, good to hear that.21:21
bdragons1did it work @skorpn21:22
MyshaHe's not back yet.21:22
bdragons1ah21:22
skorpnits still downloading21:22
bdragons1just starting my jump to irssi.  Seems pretty cool.  trying to get into using the terminal for more stuff.21:23
skorpnsome host servers are soooo slow21:23
skorpn1 hour it tells me21:23
skorpnlol21:23
bdragons1one thing I did like about linux mint was that it would prompt you to find the best one for your location.  I wish that ubuntu would pick that feature up.21:24
skorpnOK here is a question, if MATE works good and I have no need for unity can I just remove unity and it automatically then will boot to mate afterwards?21:24
skorpnI cant believe I got this installed correctly in RAID. Im so proud of myself right now21:27
skorpnlol21:27
skorpnOK, how do I select a de at login screen?21:28
skorpnwoah it says its Done21:30
bdragons1glad to hear it!21:31
skorpnWell I guess its installed21:37
skorpnbut only Unity launches when I sign in21:38
MyshaThat's usually how desktops are set up.21:39
MyshaTo not launch at the same time.21:39
skorpnlol, it gives me the MATE login screen, but I get the Unity desktop21:39
skorpnhaha21:39
skorpnok hmm what am I missing21:39
bdragons1so there should be a place really close to where you login that will have a gear or other icon to choose your desktop environment.21:40
skorpnyeah I better go look again I guess21:40
skorpnlol21:40
skorpnI might just keep Unity21:40
skorpnI didnt realize it was going to run this good21:41
skorpnI thought it was bloated and slow21:41
MyshaThere's a row of buttons at the top right, when you are at login. (Should be.) Selecting the desktop ought to be in there somewhere.21:42
skorpnyou were right, but the MATE selection gear is in the upper right hand corner next to the restart button21:42
skorpnThanks Mysha21:42
skorpnIm going back and forth from a small laptop screen to my main rig21:43
skorpndidnt see your reply21:43
skorpnsorry21:43
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skorpnand sure enough it works21:44
skorpnyay21:44
MyshaYW21:44
skorpnturned 50 yesterday and just learned a new trick21:44
skorpnfeeling good now21:45
MyshaNever too old!21:45
skorpnis kernel 4.6 recommended?21:48
skorpnwait, is 1.12.1 the latest MATE version?21:49
skorpnI thought they were at like 1.81 or something21:49
skorpnor was that 1.8.1, lol21:50
MyshaThat was 1.8.1, this is 1.12.1.21:50
MyshaYou're fine.21:50
skorpncool21:50
skorpnjeez this runs so good21:51
skorpnbrb21:52
skorpngoing to try and find this irc channel on the new ubuntu install and shut down this laptop21:52
skorpnthanks guys and gals21:53
MyshaThere's a welcome tool with a connection.21:53
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skorpnwell im back22:09
skorpnEverything is working just fantastic so far22:10
bdragons1good!22:11
skorpnNow I have to find some sort of guide to help me figure out how to put 3 ssd's into a raid 0 config. I bet that wont be as easy, lol.22:11
bdragons1yeah, don't have a clue on that one.  I haven't messed with raid in 5+ years.22:12
skorpni been doing nothing but raid since the 90's22:12
skorpnbut all on Windows22:12
skorpnlol22:12
bdragons1Since hdds have gotten so huge I haven't seen the need other than the redundancy factor, but I just use a separate drive for all my important stuff.22:12
skorpnunfortunately I have a dozen 128gb SSD's so I cant justify another larger drive22:13
skorpnI have to raid them or nothing22:13
bdragons1whatever you're doing to get enough money for that I want in!! LOL22:15
skorpnsome day I will get a Intel 1TB 750 SSD, maybe by xmas22:15
skorpnonly three of those i bought, dad retired the others and upgraded solely to PCIe SSD's, so now I have 4 Samsung 840 Pro's, 4 Crucial C300's and 4 older OCZ 64GB SSD's22:16
skorpnThree of the crucials I want in raid 0 on this machine since those are Enterprise level drives22:17
skorpnThe rest go into my other Windows machine and my Linux laptop22:18
skorpnlol22:18
skorpnAll my BIG spinning drives are now in my Home Server, lol22:18
skorpn;)22:18
skorpnexcept for my 1TB that I have hooked up via external eSATA22:19
skorpnwhich is what I will use to backup the raid0 data for safe keeping. I'm simply not concerned with any raid failure as its so rare for me22:19
skorpnplus Im told linux software raid is very robust, probably better than windows raid22:20
skorpnI hope22:20
skorpnThe main reason other than size, is the fact that my ICH10R transfers at 700 MB/s when in raid, and when in single drive I only get 250 MB/s. Since my PC is a PCIe 2.0 x58 machine from 2010. I just prefer the 700 MB/s, lol22:24
skorpnThat is for at least 3 drives though22:25
bdragons1122:27
skorpnwow not a single guide can be found on the internet for doing raid in linux. Unbelievable to say the least. or my search skills suck, probably the later23:04
nomichttps://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=setting+up+raid+in+linux23:19
nomic?23:19
nomichttp://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html  How to configure RAID in Linux - Tutorial23:19
nomic how. to . set. up. raid in linux ... I just googled & it told me  how. to . set. up. raid in linux23:20
nomichttp://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html23:20

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