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* dpaterso is punchy this evening | 05:21 | |
* dpaterso half caught a rat under the deck. Listening to it rattle around under there | 05:22 | |
dpaterso | Why did Matt stop co-hosting the Linux Action show? | 05:23 |
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yo123 | hi | 08:03 |
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alan_ | Hello world | 09:04 |
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Guest26728 | Hi can I add a networked printer | 09:05 |
Guest26728 | Easy, thanks for all your help | 09:06 |
guyk | 啊 哈 我也安装了 ubuntu mate | 09:30 |
guyk | 大家好 你们用的 默认的源 还是修改了 | 10:00 |
guyk | 我用了UBUNTU的 163的元源 怎么更新的时候全是忽略啊 | 10:03 |
guyk | Hello everyone you use the default software source it? | 10:52 |
guyk | I added the source 163 how updates are prompted to skip ah | 10:52 |
arman | hi | 11:03 |
guyk | 怎么都 没有人说话啊 | 11:54 |
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francesco_ | Hello everyone, i'm trying Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my pc (a desktop, a Dell Inspiron 530) and the cabled network doesn't seem to work... here is some data (ifconfig, dmesg, lspci -vv): http://pastebin.com/raw/UPJkx5xD | 15:16 |
guyk | I use Toshiba's computer, there is no cable, no you say this | 15:28 |
francesco_ | the ethernet cable is connected, i have just rebooted to use irc and i'm writing from lubuntu 14.04 | 15:31 |
francesco_ | if have eth0 instead of enp0s25 and ifconfig reports Link encap:Ethernet IndirizzoHW 00:1e:c9:6e:6c:?? indirizzo inet:192.168.1.13 | 15:32 |
gordonjcp | francesco_: that all looks pretty normal | 15:34 |
gordonjcp | francesco_: and it doesn't get an IP address at all, in 16.04? | 15:35 |
francesco_ | Ok but this is the message from lubuntu 14.04. With 16.04 i don't get an ip. | 15:35 |
francesco_ | gordonjcp, i'll try to reboot with ubuntu mate 16.04 and to use dhclient. Thank you. | 15:42 |
francesco_ | I'm writing this from ubuntu mate 16.04 . Dhclient hasn't worked. I have removed and replugged the ethernet cable from the router and it works. relevant dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809823/plain/ | 15:50 |
ubuntu-mate | Hola | 15:51 |
ubuntu-mate | ¿Alguien habla español? | 15:52 |
jeffrey | Anyone know if the Mate forum is down? | 16:25 |
mate|15007 | hello guys | 16:25 |
mate|15007 | i wanna ask a question | 16:25 |
mate|15007 | my laptop is x86_64 1GB RAM | 16:26 |
mate|15007 | can I use 64 bit ubuntu mate 16.04 that require 1,5GB RAM? | 16:26 |
ubuntu-mate_ | Hola, quiero instalar Ubuntu Mate 16.04- Necesito ayuda | 16:27 |
ubuntu-mate_ | quiero instalarlo junto con Wind7 | 16:27 |
TheMarius | mate|15007, maybe go for something lighter ... such as www.lxle.net | 16:28 |
TheMarius | or lubuntu | 16:28 |
steffen-pi | Hi :-) | 16:28 |
mate|15007 | themarius how if I install 32 bit version ubuntu mate 16.04 | 16:28 |
ubuntu-mate_ | ¿Alguien habla español? | 16:29 |
TheMarius | if you have that slow of a computer id seriosly rather go with www.lxle.net or lubuntu or crunchbang plusplus | 16:29 |
ubuntu-mate_ | 32bit | 16:29 |
ubuntu-mate_ | U-MATE 16.04 32bit | 16:29 |
steffen-pi | oh my Pi is heating up :( | 16:29 |
TheMarius | look them up, mate|15007 ... its not that much different ... ubuntu mate is good but so is lxle and crunchbang | 16:30 |
ubuntu-mate_ | Not Lubunto, I like Ubuntu MATE | 16:30 |
TheMarius | is it you with the 1.5 gb ram? | 16:30 |
TheMarius | ubuntu-mate_, | 16:30 |
TheMarius | in that case id probably go either lxle or crunchbang | 16:31 |
TheMarius | its as stripped down as it gets, yet good looking and functional | 16:31 |
TheMarius | except maybe puppy linux and slitaz but then you're going lightweight and functionality drops | 16:32 |
ubuntu-mate_ | ¿Como elijo la particiOn junto con Wind7? | 16:32 |
TheMarius | theres lightweight like lxle and crunchbang that works well.. and theres ultralightweight like puppy and slitaz (or arch) but then you should know what youre doing | 16:32 |
steffen-pi | %n = Steffen | 16:33 |
steffen-pi | xD | 16:33 |
ubuntu-mate_ | ¿nadie habla español? | 16:34 |
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azteria2000 | okay thanks for your advice | 16:38 |
azteria2000 | but I do know ubuntu mate is for minimal hardware | 16:38 |
azteria2000 | minimal for 512 RAM | 16:39 |
ubuntu-mate_ | :( | 16:41 |
ubuntu-mate_ | ¿antes de instalar U-MATE debo crear una particiOn en Wind7? | 16:44 |
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Langley | Help, my installation wont boot unless the install USB is plugged in, otherwise it'll just say "Read error" | 17:58 |
nedstark | Langley, use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ | 17:59 |
nedstark | if grub is broke, it fixes it automatically | 18:00 |
Mysha | Does everybody have a Firefox in 16.04 that scrolls the wrong way round: Jumps when clicking on the scrollbar and scrolls when shift-clicking? | 18:07 |
SonikkuAmerica | Mysha: I wouldn't know, I use Chrome | 18:11 |
Mysha | Well, is that a "No", or do you have an unused Firefox installed that you could fire up to check? | 18:12 |
SonikkuAmerica | Well, I just installed Arch Linux with an Xubuntu image, which, like all the other Ubuntu flavours, comes with Firefox, so you're in luck, testing-wise | 18:23 |
SonikkuAmerica | but scrolling acted normally in Xubuntu 16.04 LTS | 18:24 |
SonikkuAmerica | and this persists across Firefox and computer restarts? | 18:24 |
Mysha | Across Firefox, in that in page scroll bars misfunction that way as well. And I think I have in fact reboot at some point since I installed 16.04 last week, so: Yes, that to. | 18:27 |
Mysha | (What would "normal" be to you?) | 18:27 |
Langley | I can't boot that boot repair cd.. | 18:34 |
Mysha | I have no idea, but; What happens if you try? | 18:46 |
Langley | I can't get this thing installed. It just boots with "Loading operation system... read error" if the USB key is not present | 18:59 |
SonikkuAmerica | Mysha: It scrolls according to whether or not natural scrolling is enabled, ofc | 19:00 |
Mysha | SonikkuAmerica: Enlighten me about natural scrolling, and where it's en/dis-able, please? | 19:13 |
SonikkuAmerica | Mysha: Ever used OS X? | 19:14 |
Mysha | Langley: So, basically you tried to install from an USB but it didn't do it right? Or did it work right earlier? | 19:15 |
Mysha | "USB stick" | 19:15 |
Langley | I can install fine but it wont boot afterwards if the USB is not present | 19:16 |
Mysha | SonikkuAmerica: There's an ibook somewhere on this desk. Nothing recent, though. I think the snow beast couldn't be installed on it. | 19:16 |
SonikkuAmerica | Mysha: Ah. OS X has it enabled by default; it's where the scroll wheel is inverted | 19:17 |
Mysha | OK, don't know what that's called when translated. Can I switch it of in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, because to me reading a page is by nature going down bit by bit, not jumping somewhere and finding out where you are. | 19:18 |
Mysha | ? | 19:18 |
Mysha | <Langley>: I guess I would qualify that as "not installed correctly". | 19:19 |
Langley | So how would I install it "correctly" | 19:19 |
Mysha | That's the part where I said to start with: "I have no idea." I could get you to describe the situation clearer, but now I hope someone else can step in who does have a clue. | 19:20 |
Langley | I've just installed it into a harddrive and put he bootloader there. And then it just says "Read error" when trying to boot, if the USB is not plugged in | 19:22 |
Mysha | OK; the bootloader is on the hard disk, but is it also trying to boot the OS you installed on the hard disk? | 19:25 |
Langley | How would I know? | 19:26 |
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Mysha | <SonikkuAmerica>: It looks like natural scrolling is about the direction you scroll, rather than about the mode of scrolling. | 19:26 |
SonikkuAmerica | You'd be right. | 19:26 |
SonikkuAmerica | That's the only option I can think of, though. | 19:27 |
SonikkuAmerica | So - have you tried with multiple pointing devices? | 19:27 |
Mysha | <Langley>: The bootloader can be told to show aninterface, I believe, but if you don't see an appropriate message flash by, you'll need someone with bootloader knowledge. I haven't messed with those for several years. | 19:28 |
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Mysha | <SonikkuAmerica>: Adding an extra mouse? How would that make a difference? Anyway, it's Firefox doing this, as far as I can tell: Even Thunderbird is OK. | 19:30 |
SonikkuAmerica | I was about to say "it may be hardware-specific" | 19:31 |
Mysha | Oh: Did I try a different mouse." No, I didn't. Unlikely for a single program, though. | 19:31 |
Langley | Maybe it's the hard drive... tried installing Solus, it's stuck at "Loading operating system...GRUB loading" | 19:33 |
Mysha | <SonikkuAmerica>: Tried a different mouse, just to be sure. No different. | 19:34 |
SonikkuAmerica | OK | 19:35 |
SonikkuAmerica | Mysha: Did you try purging and reinstalling? | 19:35 |
Mysha | Langley: It's an oldie, but did you see this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903015 ? | 19:38 |
Mysha | <SonikkuAmerica>: So far I haven't. It's quite normal for me to constantly have projects open in Firefox where I'm several steps in a tree I'm walking. | 19:40 |
Mysha | But if I'm the only one who has this problem, then eventually I probably will. | 19:40 |
Langley | So his solution was to update BIOS... good idea | 19:45 |
Langley | Good thing I didn't begin replacing the drive right away | 19:45 |
dev_ | Hi | 19:52 |
skorpn | anybody home today with a few minutes to help a guy out with mate install please? | 20:31 |
skorpn | I was forced to use Ubuntu Server 16.04 so I could install my SSD's into a raid array so that my ubuntu machine has a nice large ssd to call home. After install I updated and installed ubuntu-desktop because mate would not install with an error that said ubuntu-mate-core was not found. | 20:33 |
skorpn | So now that I have desktop almost installed I am wondering if I can try again with proper install commands? | 20:33 |
skorpn | So question is, does anyone here know how to install MATE via command line onto Server that already has Unity installed? Please | 20:35 |
bdragonsl | seems way more complicated than anything I've ever done. But i really don't mess around with Linux too much. I plan to change that thought. | 20:38 |
bdragonsl | *though | 20:38 |
skorpn | same here | 20:39 |
skorpn | after 30 years of messing with Microsoft, I am calling 2016 my year to dump them | 20:39 |
bdragonsl | right now I'm just glad I'm not using windows. All the horror stories about sneak upgrades to windows 10 is insane. | 20:39 |
bdragonsl | 2015 was my year to go back full steam | 20:40 |
skorpn | I been using Linux since the mid 90's however its always been the dual boot or second machine kind of thing, and my old employers did not do linux | 20:41 |
skorpn | Since I am in Albuqerque, Microsofts origiinal home all the tech businesses here practically grew up on Windows | 20:42 |
bdragonsl | same here, I always kept it as a backup kinda thing, but it's gotten to the point to where you can use it for a daily driver and is probably better for that use-case than windows is now. | 20:42 |
bdragonsl | ah, windows die-hards huh | 20:42 |
skorpn | I dont think I can totally give it up so I want to try Linux on the main SSD and instead of dual booting, do a VM with the latest Windows 10 preview installed. Then I can have my beloved MATE booting regularly, with the occasional Windows 10 bout within VM | 20:44 |
skorpn | Hoping that suits me better | 20:44 |
bdragonsl | what did you use on win10 that you need? | 20:44 |
skorpn | very little | 20:45 |
skorpn | lol | 20:45 |
skorpn | I LOVE the new Skype UWP app | 20:45 |
skorpn | black theme with light colored text | 20:46 |
skorpn | cant get that on Linux | 20:46 |
bdragonsl | skype can be installed on linux | 20:46 |
skorpn | yeah a very old crappy build | 20:46 |
skorpn | Google Earth on Windows actually has photos that pop up, something that is only a white bubble on Linux | 20:47 |
skorpn | I've spent days trying to fix that to no avail | 20:47 |
bdragonsl | I was never a fan of skype. I do think android is going the right way though. Their new duo app looks like it might make people actually use video calling on their phones now. | 20:47 |
skorpn | problem is my employer was using Skype ever since its creation, so I have hundreds of contacts on Skype | 20:48 |
bdragonsl | yeah, google usually forgets linux, even though their chromebooks would be crap without it. | 20:48 |
skorpn | lol | 20:48 |
bdragonsl | least they could do is provide better support for the linux community since they basically owe it to Linux for having a platform to customize and build off of. Otherwise they'd have had to start completely from scratch. | 20:49 |
skorpn | yes | 20:49 |
skorpn | well I have Ubuntu working now | 20:51 |
skorpn | Just need to figure out how to turn that into Ubuntu MATE | 20:51 |
bdragonsl | gratz! | 20:51 |
bdragonsl | mate as in the de? Or as a full install? | 20:52 |
skorpn | de | 20:54 |
skorpn | I thought this would work | 20:54 |
skorpn | sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \ | 20:54 |
skorpn | ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop | 20:54 |
skorpn | but it does NOT | 20:54 |
skorpn | throws up an error | 20:54 |
skorpn | says ubuntu-mate-core can not be found | 20:54 |
skorpn | I wonder if I now remove Unity, if it will retain the video card drivers and thus let me use MATE | 20:55 |
bdragonsl | try this: sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core | 20:55 |
skorpn | just never done this before | 20:55 |
skorpn | ok | 20:55 |
skorpn | brb | 20:55 |
bdragonsl | sorry, go here first. | 20:56 |
bdragonsl | http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download | 20:56 |
bdragonsl | it has install instructions for for the mate de that should get it installed for you. | 20:56 |
bdragonsl | brb, vape break | 20:57 |
skorpn | k | 20:58 |
skorpn | hmm, this unity feels OK to me. Granted I havn't tried it since it was first released and hated it back then | 21:04 |
skorpn | lol | 21:04 |
skorpn | this is confusing, during install I had internet, but after installing Unity I have no network connection | 21:07 |
petermore | hello | 21:07 |
skorpn | hello | 21:07 |
petermore | i installa mate 16.04 | 21:08 |
petermore | and all is right | 21:08 |
petermore | but i cant change the brightness | 21:08 |
petermore | someone have the same problem? | 21:08 |
skorpn | OK nevermind me, it was easy enough to get it working | 21:09 |
petermore | do you know how fix¿? | 21:10 |
skorpn | Im here for help myself | 21:10 |
skorpn | noob me is | 21:10 |
skorpn | dont you have a brightness button on your display? | 21:11 |
petermore | yes | 21:11 |
petermore | i press the botton and i see the display | 21:12 |
petermore | but not change | 21:12 |
skorpn | hmm | 21:12 |
skorpn | mine barely changes anything | 21:12 |
Mysha | <skorpn>: Once you have one Ubuntu running, the other desktops are in the repository. That should now be true for MATE as well. | 21:12 |
skorpn | oh really | 21:12 |
skorpn | so the previous commands should work the second time then? | 21:12 |
Mysha | Commands? | 21:13 |
skorpn | yeah my previous attempt to install threw up an error | 21:13 |
Mysha | Hold on, I'll read back to see what I missed. | 21:14 |
skorpn | sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \ | 21:14 |
skorpn | ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop | 21:14 |
skorpn | THAT told me that core was not found | 21:14 |
skorpn | using instructions from --> http://hiroom2.jimdo.com/2016/05/21/install-mate-desktop/#sec-2 | 21:15 |
skorpn | reading thru the official stuff now | 21:15 |
skorpn | oh wait, I think it is working a second try | 21:18 |
Mysha | Hm, that looks weird. Like they're forgetting to install the desktop itself. | 21:18 |
skorpn | yeah | 21:18 |
Mysha | It works? | 21:18 |
skorpn | its actually doing something this time | 21:18 |
skorpn | lol | 21:18 |
skorpn | its downloading files now | 21:18 |
skorpn | 1126 MB | 21:18 |
skorpn | sounds like a de to me | 21:19 |
Mysha | Drum rolls | 21:19 |
skorpn | lol | 21:19 |
bdragonsl | huzzah!! | 21:19 |
skorpn | now I have to figure out how to switch from unity to mate and back | 21:20 |
skorpn | I assume I can have two de's at the same time installed | 21:20 |
Mysha | Didn't you just remove unity? | 21:20 |
skorpn | no | 21:20 |
skorpn | I was scared to do that considering how big of a dl it is if it failed | 21:21 |
randall | yeah skorpn you can have as many as you want, and just awitch at login | 21:21 |
skorpn | its well over 2gb | 21:21 |
bdragonsl | gonna switch clients, brb | 21:21 |
skorpn | ok | 21:21 |
Mysha | BVut, yes, you can have multiple desktops and choose at log in. (At least, that used to be true; I haven't messed with that recently.) | 21:21 |
Mysha | Randall: Ah, good to hear that. | 21:21 |
bdragons1 | did it work @skorpn | 21:22 |
Mysha | He's not back yet. | 21:22 |
bdragons1 | ah | 21:22 |
skorpn | its still downloading | 21:22 |
bdragons1 | just starting my jump to irssi. Seems pretty cool. trying to get into using the terminal for more stuff. | 21:23 |
skorpn | some host servers are soooo slow | 21:23 |
skorpn | 1 hour it tells me | 21:23 |
skorpn | lol | 21:23 |
bdragons1 | one thing I did like about linux mint was that it would prompt you to find the best one for your location. I wish that ubuntu would pick that feature up. | 21:24 |
skorpn | OK here is a question, if MATE works good and I have no need for unity can I just remove unity and it automatically then will boot to mate afterwards? | 21:24 |
skorpn | I cant believe I got this installed correctly in RAID. Im so proud of myself right now | 21:27 |
skorpn | lol | 21:27 |
skorpn | OK, how do I select a de at login screen? | 21:28 |
skorpn | woah it says its Done | 21:30 |
bdragons1 | glad to hear it! | 21:31 |
skorpn | Well I guess its installed | 21:37 |
skorpn | but only Unity launches when I sign in | 21:38 |
Mysha | That's usually how desktops are set up. | 21:39 |
Mysha | To not launch at the same time. | 21:39 |
skorpn | lol, it gives me the MATE login screen, but I get the Unity desktop | 21:39 |
skorpn | haha | 21:39 |
skorpn | ok hmm what am I missing | 21:39 |
bdragons1 | so there should be a place really close to where you login that will have a gear or other icon to choose your desktop environment. | 21:40 |
skorpn | yeah I better go look again I guess | 21:40 |
skorpn | lol | 21:40 |
skorpn | I might just keep Unity | 21:40 |
skorpn | I didnt realize it was going to run this good | 21:41 |
skorpn | I thought it was bloated and slow | 21:41 |
Mysha | There's a row of buttons at the top right, when you are at login. (Should be.) Selecting the desktop ought to be in there somewhere. | 21:42 |
skorpn | you were right, but the MATE selection gear is in the upper right hand corner next to the restart button | 21:42 |
skorpn | Thanks Mysha | 21:42 |
skorpn | Im going back and forth from a small laptop screen to my main rig | 21:43 |
skorpn | didnt see your reply | 21:43 |
skorpn | sorry | 21:43 |
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skorpn | and sure enough it works | 21:44 |
skorpn | yay | 21:44 |
Mysha | YW | 21:44 |
skorpn | turned 50 yesterday and just learned a new trick | 21:44 |
skorpn | feeling good now | 21:45 |
Mysha | Never too old! | 21:45 |
skorpn | is kernel 4.6 recommended? | 21:48 |
skorpn | wait, is 1.12.1 the latest MATE version? | 21:49 |
skorpn | I thought they were at like 1.81 or something | 21:49 |
skorpn | or was that 1.8.1, lol | 21:50 |
Mysha | That was 1.8.1, this is 1.12.1. | 21:50 |
Mysha | You're fine. | 21:50 |
skorpn | cool | 21:50 |
skorpn | jeez this runs so good | 21:51 |
skorpn | brb | 21:52 |
skorpn | going to try and find this irc channel on the new ubuntu install and shut down this laptop | 21:52 |
skorpn | thanks guys and gals | 21:53 |
Mysha | There's a welcome tool with a connection. | 21:53 |
hid|ninja | gals= | 21:54 |
skorpn | well im back | 22:09 |
skorpn | Everything is working just fantastic so far | 22:10 |
bdragons1 | good! | 22:11 |
skorpn | Now I have to find some sort of guide to help me figure out how to put 3 ssd's into a raid 0 config. I bet that wont be as easy, lol. | 22:11 |
bdragons1 | yeah, don't have a clue on that one. I haven't messed with raid in 5+ years. | 22:12 |
skorpn | i been doing nothing but raid since the 90's | 22:12 |
skorpn | but all on Windows | 22:12 |
skorpn | lol | 22:12 |
bdragons1 | Since hdds have gotten so huge I haven't seen the need other than the redundancy factor, but I just use a separate drive for all my important stuff. | 22:12 |
skorpn | unfortunately I have a dozen 128gb SSD's so I cant justify another larger drive | 22:13 |
skorpn | I have to raid them or nothing | 22:13 |
bdragons1 | whatever you're doing to get enough money for that I want in!! LOL | 22:15 |
skorpn | some day I will get a Intel 1TB 750 SSD, maybe by xmas | 22:15 |
skorpn | only three of those i bought, dad retired the others and upgraded solely to PCIe SSD's, so now I have 4 Samsung 840 Pro's, 4 Crucial C300's and 4 older OCZ 64GB SSD's | 22:16 |
skorpn | Three of the crucials I want in raid 0 on this machine since those are Enterprise level drives | 22:17 |
skorpn | The rest go into my other Windows machine and my Linux laptop | 22:18 |
skorpn | lol | 22:18 |
skorpn | All my BIG spinning drives are now in my Home Server, lol | 22:18 |
skorpn | ;) | 22:18 |
skorpn | except for my 1TB that I have hooked up via external eSATA | 22:19 |
skorpn | which is what I will use to backup the raid0 data for safe keeping. I'm simply not concerned with any raid failure as its so rare for me | 22:19 |
skorpn | plus Im told linux software raid is very robust, probably better than windows raid | 22:20 |
skorpn | I hope | 22:20 |
skorpn | The main reason other than size, is the fact that my ICH10R transfers at 700 MB/s when in raid, and when in single drive I only get 250 MB/s. Since my PC is a PCIe 2.0 x58 machine from 2010. I just prefer the 700 MB/s, lol | 22:24 |
skorpn | That is for at least 3 drives though | 22:25 |
bdragons1 | 1 | 22:27 |
skorpn | wow not a single guide can be found on the internet for doing raid in linux. Unbelievable to say the least. or my search skills suck, probably the later | 23:04 |
nomic | https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=setting+up+raid+in+linux | 23:19 |
nomic | ? | 23:19 |
nomic | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html How to configure RAID in Linux - Tutorial | 23:19 |
nomic | how. to . set. up. raid in linux ... I just googled & it told me how. to . set. up. raid in linux | 23:20 |
nomic | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html | 23:20 |
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