=== james is now known as Guest21660 [05:21] * dpaterso is punchy this evening [05:22] * dpaterso half caught a rat under the deck. Listening to it rattle around under there [05:23] Why did Matt stop co-hosting the Linux Action show? [08:03] hi === rw is now known as Guest30369 [09:04] Hello world === alan_ is now known as Guest26728 [09:05] Hi can I add a networked printer [09:06] Easy, thanks for all your help [09:30] 啊 哈 我也安装了 ubuntu mate [10:00] 大家好 你们用的 默认的源 还是修改了 [10:03] 我用了UBUNTU的 163的元源 怎么更新的时候全是忽略啊 [10:52] Hello everyone you use the default software source it? [10:52] I added the source 163 how updates are prompted to skip ah [11:03] hi [11:54] 怎么都 没有人说话啊 === r is now known as Guest91375 [15:16] Hello everyone, i'm trying Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my pc (a desktop, a Dell Inspiron 530) and the cabled network doesn't seem to work... here is some data (ifconfig, dmesg, lspci -vv): http://pastebin.com/raw/UPJkx5xD [15:28] I use Toshiba's computer, there is no cable, no you say this [15:31] the ethernet cable is connected, i have just rebooted to use irc and i'm writing from lubuntu 14.04 [15:32] if have eth0 instead of enp0s25 and ifconfig reports Link encap:Ethernet IndirizzoHW 00:1e:c9:6e:6c:?? indirizzo inet:192.168.1.13 [15:34] francesco_: that all looks pretty normal [15:35] francesco_: and it doesn't get an IP address at all, in 16.04? [15:35] Ok but this is the message from lubuntu 14.04. With 16.04 i don't get an ip. [15:42] gordonjcp, i'll try to reboot with ubuntu mate 16.04 and to use dhclient. Thank you. [15:50] I'm writing this from ubuntu mate 16.04 . Dhclient hasn't worked. I have removed and replugged the ethernet cable from the router and it works. relevant dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809823/plain/ [15:51] Hola [15:52] ¿Alguien habla español? [16:25] Anyone know if the Mate forum is down? [16:25] hello guys [16:25] i wanna ask a question [16:26] my laptop is x86_64 1GB RAM [16:26] can I use 64 bit ubuntu mate 16.04 that require 1,5GB RAM? [16:27] Hola, quiero instalar Ubuntu Mate 16.04- Necesito ayuda [16:27] quiero instalarlo junto con Wind7 [16:28] mate|15007, maybe go for something lighter ... such as www.lxle.net [16:28] or lubuntu [16:28] Hi :-) [16:28] themarius how if I install 32 bit version ubuntu mate 16.04 [16:29] ¿Alguien habla español? [16:29] if you have that slow of a computer id seriosly rather go with www.lxle.net or lubuntu or crunchbang plusplus [16:29] 32bit [16:29] U-MATE 16.04 32bit [16:29] oh my Pi is heating up :( [16:30] look them up, mate|15007 ... its not that much different ... ubuntu mate is good but so is lxle and crunchbang [16:30] Not Lubunto, I like Ubuntu MATE [16:30] is it you with the 1.5 gb ram? [16:30] ubuntu-mate_, [16:31] in that case id probably go either lxle or crunchbang [16:31] its as stripped down as it gets, yet good looking and functional [16:32] except maybe puppy linux and slitaz but then you're going lightweight and functionality drops [16:32] ¿Como elijo la particiOn junto con Wind7? [16:32] theres lightweight like lxle and crunchbang that works well.. and theres ultralightweight like puppy and slitaz (or arch) but then you should know what youre doing [16:33] %n = Steffen [16:33] xD [16:34] ¿nadie habla español? === steffen-pi is now known as DankSoul3 === DankSoul3 is now known as Stefen [16:38] okay thanks for your advice [16:38] but I do know ubuntu mate is for minimal hardware [16:39] minimal for 512 RAM [16:41] :( [16:44] ¿antes de instalar U-MATE debo crear una particiOn en Wind7? === littlebunnyfufu is now known as SonikkuAmerica [17:58] Help, my installation wont boot unless the install USB is plugged in, otherwise it'll just say "Read error" [17:59] Langley, use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/ [18:00] if grub is broke, it fixes it automatically [18:07] Does everybody have a Firefox in 16.04 that scrolls the wrong way round: Jumps when clicking on the scrollbar and scrolls when shift-clicking? [18:11] Mysha: I wouldn't know, I use Chrome [18:12] Well, is that a "No", or do you have an unused Firefox installed that you could fire up to check? [18:23] Well, I just installed Arch Linux with an Xubuntu image, which, like all the other Ubuntu flavours, comes with Firefox, so you're in luck, testing-wise [18:24] but scrolling acted normally in Xubuntu 16.04 LTS [18:24] and this persists across Firefox and computer restarts? [18:27] Across Firefox, in that in page scroll bars misfunction that way as well. And I think I have in fact reboot at some point since I installed 16.04 last week, so: Yes, that to. [18:27] (What would "normal" be to you?) [18:34] I can't boot that boot repair cd.. [18:46] I have no idea, but; What happens if you try? [18:59] I can't get this thing installed. It just boots with "Loading operation system... read error" if the USB key is not present [19:00] Mysha: It scrolls according to whether or not natural scrolling is enabled, ofc [19:13] SonikkuAmerica: Enlighten me about natural scrolling, and where it's en/dis-able, please? [19:14] Mysha: Ever used OS X? [19:15] Langley: So, basically you tried to install from an USB but it didn't do it right? Or did it work right earlier? [19:15] "USB stick" [19:16] I can install fine but it wont boot afterwards if the USB is not present [19:16] SonikkuAmerica: There's an ibook somewhere on this desk. Nothing recent, though. I think the snow beast couldn't be installed on it. [19:17] Mysha: Ah. OS X has it enabled by default; it's where the scroll wheel is inverted [19:18] OK, don't know what that's called when translated. Can I switch it of in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, because to me reading a page is by nature going down bit by bit, not jumping somewhere and finding out where you are. [19:18] ? [19:19] : I guess I would qualify that as "not installed correctly". [19:19] So how would I install it "correctly" [19:20] That's the part where I said to start with: "I have no idea." I could get you to describe the situation clearer, but now I hope someone else can step in who does have a clue. [19:22] I've just installed it into a harddrive and put he bootloader there. And then it just says "Read error" when trying to boot, if the USB is not plugged in [19:25] OK; the bootloader is on the hard disk, but is it also trying to boot the OS you installed on the hard disk? [19:26] How would I know? === james is now known as Guest30941 [19:26] : It looks like natural scrolling is about the direction you scroll, rather than about the mode of scrolling. [19:26] You'd be right. [19:27] That's the only option I can think of, though. [19:27] So - have you tried with multiple pointing devices? [19:28] : The bootloader can be told to show aninterface, I believe, but if you don't see an appropriate message flash by, you'll need someone with bootloader knowledge. I haven't messed with those for several years. === Guest30941 is now known as JamesMB [19:30] : Adding an extra mouse? How would that make a difference? Anyway, it's Firefox doing this, as far as I can tell: Even Thunderbird is OK. [19:31] I was about to say "it may be hardware-specific" [19:31] Oh: Did I try a different mouse." No, I didn't. Unlikely for a single program, though. [19:33] Maybe it's the hard drive... tried installing Solus, it's stuck at "Loading operating system...GRUB loading" [19:34] : Tried a different mouse, just to be sure. No different. [19:35] OK [19:35] Mysha: Did you try purging and reinstalling? [19:38] Langley: It's an oldie, but did you see this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903015 ? [19:40] : So far I haven't. It's quite normal for me to constantly have projects open in Firefox where I'm several steps in a tree I'm walking. [19:40] But if I'm the only one who has this problem, then eventually I probably will. [19:45] So his solution was to update BIOS... good idea [19:45] Good thing I didn't begin replacing the drive right away [19:52] Hi [20:31] anybody home today with a few minutes to help a guy out with mate install please? [20:33] I was forced to use Ubuntu Server 16.04 so I could install my SSD's into a raid array so that my ubuntu machine has a nice large ssd to call home. After install I updated and installed ubuntu-desktop because mate would not install with an error that said ubuntu-mate-core was not found. [20:33] So now that I have desktop almost installed I am wondering if I can try again with proper install commands? [20:35] So question is, does anyone here know how to install MATE via command line onto Server that already has Unity installed? Please [20:38] seems way more complicated than anything I've ever done. But i really don't mess around with Linux too much. I plan to change that thought. [20:38] *though [20:39] same here [20:39] after 30 years of messing with Microsoft, I am calling 2016 my year to dump them [20:39] right now I'm just glad I'm not using windows. All the horror stories about sneak upgrades to windows 10 is insane. [20:40] 2015 was my year to go back full steam [20:41] I been using Linux since the mid 90's however its always been the dual boot or second machine kind of thing, and my old employers did not do linux [20:42] Since I am in Albuqerque, Microsofts origiinal home all the tech businesses here practically grew up on Windows [20:42] same here, I always kept it as a backup kinda thing, but it's gotten to the point to where you can use it for a daily driver and is probably better for that use-case than windows is now. [20:42] ah, windows die-hards huh [20:44] I dont think I can totally give it up so I want to try Linux on the main SSD and instead of dual booting, do a VM with the latest Windows 10 preview installed. Then I can have my beloved MATE booting regularly, with the occasional Windows 10 bout within VM [20:44] Hoping that suits me better [20:44] what did you use on win10 that you need? [20:45] very little [20:45] lol [20:45] I LOVE the new Skype UWP app [20:46] black theme with light colored text [20:46] cant get that on Linux [20:46] skype can be installed on linux [20:46] yeah a very old crappy build [20:47] Google Earth on Windows actually has photos that pop up, something that is only a white bubble on Linux [20:47] I've spent days trying to fix that to no avail [20:47] I was never a fan of skype. I do think android is going the right way though. Their new duo app looks like it might make people actually use video calling on their phones now. [20:48] problem is my employer was using Skype ever since its creation, so I have hundreds of contacts on Skype [20:48] yeah, google usually forgets linux, even though their chromebooks would be crap without it. [20:48] lol [20:49] least they could do is provide better support for the linux community since they basically owe it to Linux for having a platform to customize and build off of. Otherwise they'd have had to start completely from scratch. [20:49] yes [20:51] well I have Ubuntu working now [20:51] Just need to figure out how to turn that into Ubuntu MATE [20:51] gratz! [20:52] mate as in the de? Or as a full install? [20:54] de [20:54] I thought this would work [20:54] sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \ [20:54] ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop [20:54] but it does NOT [20:54] throws up an error [20:54] says ubuntu-mate-core can not be found [20:55] I wonder if I now remove Unity, if it will retain the video card drivers and thus let me use MATE [20:55] try this: sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core [20:55] just never done this before [20:55] ok [20:55] brb [20:56] sorry, go here first. [20:56] http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download [20:56] it has install instructions for for the mate de that should get it installed for you. [20:57] brb, vape break [20:58] k [21:04] hmm, this unity feels OK to me. Granted I havn't tried it since it was first released and hated it back then [21:04] lol [21:07] this is confusing, during install I had internet, but after installing Unity I have no network connection [21:07] hello [21:07] hello [21:08] i installa mate 16.04 [21:08] and all is right [21:08] but i cant change the brightness [21:08] someone have the same problem? [21:09] OK nevermind me, it was easy enough to get it working [21:10] do you know how fix¿? [21:10] Im here for help myself [21:10] noob me is [21:11] dont you have a brightness button on your display? [21:11] yes [21:12] i press the botton and i see the display [21:12] but not change [21:12] hmm [21:12] mine barely changes anything [21:12] : Once you have one Ubuntu running, the other desktops are in the repository. That should now be true for MATE as well. [21:12] oh really [21:12] so the previous commands should work the second time then? [21:13] Commands? [21:13] yeah my previous attempt to install threw up an error [21:14] Hold on, I'll read back to see what I missed. [21:14] sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \ [21:14] ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop [21:14] THAT told me that core was not found [21:15] using instructions from --> http://hiroom2.jimdo.com/2016/05/21/install-mate-desktop/#sec-2 [21:15] reading thru the official stuff now [21:18] oh wait, I think it is working a second try [21:18] Hm, that looks weird. Like they're forgetting to install the desktop itself. [21:18] yeah [21:18] It works? [21:18] its actually doing something this time [21:18] lol [21:18] its downloading files now [21:18] 1126 MB [21:19] sounds like a de to me [21:19] Drum rolls [21:19] lol [21:19] huzzah!! [21:20] now I have to figure out how to switch from unity to mate and back [21:20] I assume I can have two de's at the same time installed [21:20] Didn't you just remove unity? [21:20] no [21:21] I was scared to do that considering how big of a dl it is if it failed [21:21] yeah skorpn you can have as many as you want, and just awitch at login [21:21] its well over 2gb [21:21] gonna switch clients, brb [21:21] ok [21:21] BVut, yes, you can have multiple desktops and choose at log in. (At least, that used to be true; I haven't messed with that recently.) [21:21] Randall: Ah, good to hear that. [21:22] did it work @skorpn [21:22] He's not back yet. [21:22] ah [21:22] its still downloading [21:23] just starting my jump to irssi. Seems pretty cool. trying to get into using the terminal for more stuff. [21:23] some host servers are soooo slow [21:23] 1 hour it tells me [21:23] lol [21:24] one thing I did like about linux mint was that it would prompt you to find the best one for your location. I wish that ubuntu would pick that feature up. [21:24] OK here is a question, if MATE works good and I have no need for unity can I just remove unity and it automatically then will boot to mate afterwards? [21:27] I cant believe I got this installed correctly in RAID. Im so proud of myself right now [21:27] lol [21:28] OK, how do I select a de at login screen? [21:30] woah it says its Done [21:31] glad to hear it! [21:37] Well I guess its installed [21:38] but only Unity launches when I sign in [21:39] That's usually how desktops are set up. [21:39] To not launch at the same time. [21:39] lol, it gives me the MATE login screen, but I get the Unity desktop [21:39] haha [21:39] ok hmm what am I missing [21:40] so there should be a place really close to where you login that will have a gear or other icon to choose your desktop environment. [21:40] yeah I better go look again I guess [21:40] lol [21:40] I might just keep Unity [21:41] I didnt realize it was going to run this good [21:41] I thought it was bloated and slow [21:42] There's a row of buttons at the top right, when you are at login. (Should be.) Selecting the desktop ought to be in there somewhere. [21:42] you were right, but the MATE selection gear is in the upper right hand corner next to the restart button [21:42] Thanks Mysha [21:43] Im going back and forth from a small laptop screen to my main rig [21:43] didnt see your reply [21:43] sorry === dan_ is now known as Guest14779 [21:44] and sure enough it works [21:44] yay [21:44] YW [21:44] turned 50 yesterday and just learned a new trick [21:45] feeling good now [21:45] Never too old! [21:48] is kernel 4.6 recommended? [21:49] wait, is 1.12.1 the latest MATE version? [21:49] I thought they were at like 1.81 or something [21:50] or was that 1.8.1, lol [21:50] That was 1.8.1, this is 1.12.1. [21:50] You're fine. [21:50] cool [21:51] jeez this runs so good [21:52] brb [21:52] going to try and find this irc channel on the new ubuntu install and shut down this laptop [21:53] thanks guys and gals [21:53] There's a welcome tool with a connection. [21:54] gals= [22:09] well im back [22:10] Everything is working just fantastic so far [22:11] good! [22:11] Now I have to find some sort of guide to help me figure out how to put 3 ssd's into a raid 0 config. I bet that wont be as easy, lol. [22:12] yeah, don't have a clue on that one. I haven't messed with raid in 5+ years. [22:12] i been doing nothing but raid since the 90's [22:12] but all on Windows [22:12] lol [22:12] Since hdds have gotten so huge I haven't seen the need other than the redundancy factor, but I just use a separate drive for all my important stuff. [22:13] unfortunately I have a dozen 128gb SSD's so I cant justify another larger drive [22:13] I have to raid them or nothing [22:15] whatever you're doing to get enough money for that I want in!! LOL [22:15] some day I will get a Intel 1TB 750 SSD, maybe by xmas [22:16] only three of those i bought, dad retired the others and upgraded solely to PCIe SSD's, so now I have 4 Samsung 840 Pro's, 4 Crucial C300's and 4 older OCZ 64GB SSD's [22:17] Three of the crucials I want in raid 0 on this machine since those are Enterprise level drives [22:18] The rest go into my other Windows machine and my Linux laptop [22:18] lol [22:18] All my BIG spinning drives are now in my Home Server, lol [22:18] ;) [22:19] except for my 1TB that I have hooked up via external eSATA [22:19] which is what I will use to backup the raid0 data for safe keeping. I'm simply not concerned with any raid failure as its so rare for me [22:20] plus Im told linux software raid is very robust, probably better than windows raid [22:20] I hope [22:24] The main reason other than size, is the fact that my ICH10R transfers at 700 MB/s when in raid, and when in single drive I only get 250 MB/s. Since my PC is a PCIe 2.0 x58 machine from 2010. I just prefer the 700 MB/s, lol [22:25] That is for at least 3 drives though [22:27] 1 [23:04] wow not a single guide can be found on the internet for doing raid in linux. Unbelievable to say the least. or my search skills suck, probably the later [23:19] https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=setting+up+raid+in+linux [23:19] ? [23:19] http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html How to configure RAID in Linux - Tutorial [23:20] how. to . set. up. raid in linux ... I just googled & it told me how. to . set. up. raid in linux [23:20] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html