[05:21]  * dpaterso is punchy this evening
[05:22]  * dpaterso half caught a rat under the deck.  Listening to it rattle around under there
[05:23] <dpaterso> Why did Matt stop co-hosting the Linux Action show?
[08:03] <yo123> hi
[09:04] <alan_> Hello world
[09:05] <Guest26728> Hi can I add a networked printer
[09:06] <Guest26728> Easy, thanks for all your help
[09:30] <guyk> 啊   哈 我也安装了 ubuntu mate
[10:00] <guyk> 大家好  你们用的 默认的源 还是修改了
[10:03] <guyk> 我用了UBUNTU的 163的元源   怎么更新的时候全是忽略啊
[10:52] <guyk> Hello everyone you use the default software source it?
[10:52] <guyk> I added the source 163 how updates are prompted to skip ah
[11:03] <arman> hi
[11:54] <guyk> 怎么都 没有人说话啊
[15:16] <francesco_> Hello everyone, i'm trying Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on my pc (a desktop, a Dell Inspiron 530) and the cabled network doesn't seem to work... here is some data (ifconfig, dmesg, lspci -vv):  http://pastebin.com/raw/UPJkx5xD
[15:28] <guyk> I use Toshiba's computer, there is no cable, no you say this
[15:31] <francesco_> the ethernet cable is connected, i have just rebooted to use irc and i'm writing from lubuntu 14.04
[15:32] <francesco_> if have eth0 instead of enp0s25 and ifconfig reports Link encap:Ethernet  IndirizzoHW 00:1e:c9:6e:6c:??         indirizzo inet:192.168.1.13
[15:34] <gordonjcp> francesco_: that all looks pretty normal
[15:35] <gordonjcp> francesco_: and it doesn't get an IP address at all, in 16.04?
[15:35] <francesco_> Ok but this is the message from lubuntu 14.04. With 16.04 i don't get an ip.
[15:42] <francesco_> gordonjcp, i'll try to reboot with ubuntu mate 16.04 and to use dhclient. Thank you.
[15:50] <francesco_> I'm writing this from ubuntu mate 16.04 . Dhclient hasn't worked. I have removed and replugged the ethernet cable from the router and it works. relevant dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16809823/plain/
[15:51] <ubuntu-mate> Hola
[15:52] <ubuntu-mate> ¿Alguien habla español?
[16:25] <jeffrey> Anyone know if the Mate forum is down?
[16:25] <mate|15007> hello guys
[16:25] <mate|15007> i wanna ask a question
[16:26] <mate|15007> my laptop is x86_64 1GB RAM
[16:26] <mate|15007> can I use 64 bit ubuntu mate 16.04 that require 1,5GB RAM?
[16:27] <ubuntu-mate_> Hola, quiero instalar Ubuntu Mate 16.04- Necesito ayuda
[16:27] <ubuntu-mate_> quiero instalarlo junto con Wind7
[16:28] <TheMarius> mate|15007, maybe go for something lighter ... such as www.lxle.net
[16:28] <TheMarius> or lubuntu
[16:28] <steffen-pi> Hi :-)
[16:28] <mate|15007> themarius how if I install 32 bit version ubuntu mate 16.04
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿Alguien habla español?
[16:29] <TheMarius> if you have that slow of a computer id seriosly rather go with www.lxle.net or lubuntu or crunchbang plusplus
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> 32bit
[16:29] <ubuntu-mate_> U-MATE 16.04 32bit
[16:29] <steffen-pi> oh my Pi is heating up :(
[16:30] <TheMarius> look them up, mate|15007 ... its not that much different ... ubuntu mate is good but so is lxle and crunchbang
[16:30] <ubuntu-mate_> Not Lubunto, I like Ubuntu MATE
[16:30] <TheMarius> is it you with the 1.5 gb ram?
[16:30] <TheMarius> ubuntu-mate_,
[16:31] <TheMarius> in that case id probably go either lxle or crunchbang
[16:31] <TheMarius> its as stripped down as it gets, yet good looking and functional
[16:32] <TheMarius> except maybe puppy linux and slitaz but then you're going lightweight and functionality drops
[16:32] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿Como elijo la particiOn junto con Wind7?
[16:32] <TheMarius> theres lightweight like lxle and crunchbang that works well.. and theres ultralightweight like puppy and slitaz (or arch) but then you should know what youre doing
[16:33] <steffen-pi> %n = Steffen
[16:33] <steffen-pi> xD
[16:34] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿nadie habla español?
[16:38] <azteria2000> okay thanks for your advice
[16:38] <azteria2000> but I do know ubuntu mate is for minimal hardware
[16:39] <azteria2000> minimal for 512 RAM
[16:41] <ubuntu-mate_> :(
[16:44] <ubuntu-mate_> ¿antes de instalar U-MATE debo crear una particiOn en Wind7?
[17:58] <Langley> Help, my installation wont boot unless the install USB is plugged in, otherwise it'll just say "Read error"
[17:59] <nedstark> Langley, use this https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/
[18:00] <nedstark> if grub is broke, it fixes it automatically
[18:07] <Mysha> Does everybody have a Firefox in 16.04 that scrolls the wrong way round: Jumps when clicking on the scrollbar and scrolls when shift-clicking?
[18:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: I wouldn't know, I use Chrome
[18:12] <Mysha> Well, is that a "No", or do you have an unused Firefox installed that you could fire up to check?
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I just installed Arch Linux with an Xubuntu image, which, like all the other Ubuntu flavours, comes with Firefox, so you're in luck, testing-wise
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> but scrolling acted normally in Xubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> and this persists across Firefox and computer restarts?
[18:27] <Mysha> Across Firefox, in that in page scroll bars misfunction that way as well. And I think I have in fact reboot at some point since I installed 16.04 last week, so: Yes, that to.
[18:27] <Mysha> (What would "normal" be to you?)
[18:34] <Langley> I can't boot that boot repair cd..
[18:46] <Mysha> I have no idea, but; What happens if you try?
[18:59] <Langley> I can't get this thing installed. It just boots with "Loading operation system... read error" if the USB key is not present
[19:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: It scrolls according to whether or not natural scrolling is enabled, ofc
[19:13] <Mysha> SonikkuAmerica: Enlighten me about natural scrolling, and where it's en/dis-able, please?
[19:14] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Ever used OS X?
[19:15] <Mysha> Langley: So, basically you tried to install from an USB but it didn't do it right? Or did it work right earlier?
[19:15] <Mysha> "USB stick"
[19:16] <Langley> I can install fine but it wont boot afterwards if the USB is not present
[19:16] <Mysha> SonikkuAmerica: There's an ibook somewhere on this desk. Nothing recent, though. I think the snow beast couldn't be installed on it.
[19:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Ah. OS X has it enabled by default; it's where the scroll wheel is inverted
[19:18] <Mysha> OK, don't know what that's called when translated. Can I switch it of in Firefox on Ubuntu Mate, because to me reading a page is by nature going down bit by bit, not jumping somewhere and finding out where you are.
[19:18] <Mysha> ?
 I guess I would qualify that as "not installed correctly".
[19:19] <Langley> So how would I install it "correctly"
[19:20] <Mysha> That's the part where I said to start with: "I have no idea." I could get you to describe the situation clearer, but now I hope someone else can step in who does have a clue.
[19:22] <Langley> I've just installed it into a harddrive and put he bootloader there. And then it just says "Read error" when trying to boot, if the USB is not plugged in
[19:25] <Mysha> OK; the bootloader is on the hard disk, but is it also trying to boot the OS you installed on the hard disk?
[19:26] <Langley> How would I know?
 It looks like natural scrolling is about the direction you scroll, rather than about the mode of scrolling.
[19:26] <SonikkuAmerica> You'd be right.
[19:27] <SonikkuAmerica> That's the only option I can think of, though.
[19:27] <SonikkuAmerica> So - have you tried with multiple pointing devices?
 The bootloader can be told to show aninterface, I believe, but if you don't see an appropriate message flash by, you'll need someone with bootloader knowledge. I haven't messed with those for several years.
 Adding an extra mouse? How would that make a difference? Anyway, it's Firefox doing this, as far as I can tell: Even Thunderbird is OK.
[19:31] <SonikkuAmerica> I was about to say "it may be hardware-specific"
[19:31] <Mysha> Oh: Did I try a different mouse." No, I didn't. Unlikely for a single program, though.
[19:33] <Langley> Maybe it's the hard drive... tried installing Solus, it's stuck at "Loading operating system...GRUB loading"
 Tried a different mouse, just to be sure. No different.
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[19:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Mysha: Did you try purging and reinstalling?
[19:38] <Mysha> Langley: It's an oldie, but did you see this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903015 ?
 So far I haven't. It's quite normal for me to constantly have projects open in Firefox where I'm several steps in a tree I'm walking.
[19:40] <Mysha> But if I'm the only one who has this problem, then eventually I probably will.
[19:45] <Langley> So his solution was to update BIOS... good idea
[19:45] <Langley> Good thing I didn't begin replacing the drive right away
[19:52] <dev_> Hi
[20:31] <skorpn> anybody home today with a few minutes to help a guy out with mate install please?
[20:33] <skorpn> I was forced to use Ubuntu Server 16.04 so I could install my SSD's into a raid array so that my ubuntu machine has a nice large ssd to call home. After install I updated and installed ubuntu-desktop because mate would not install with an error that said ubuntu-mate-core was not found.
[20:33] <skorpn> So now that I have desktop almost installed I am wondering if I can try again with proper install commands?
[20:35] <skorpn> So question is, does anyone here know how to install MATE via command line onto Server that already has Unity installed? Please
[20:38] <bdragonsl> seems way more complicated than anything I've ever done.  But i really don't mess around with Linux too much.  I plan to change that thought.
[20:38] <bdragonsl> *though
[20:39] <skorpn> same here
[20:39] <skorpn> after 30 years of messing with Microsoft, I am calling 2016 my year to dump them
[20:39] <bdragonsl> right now I'm just glad I'm not using windows.  All the horror stories about sneak upgrades to windows 10 is insane.
[20:40] <bdragonsl> 2015 was my year to go back full steam
[20:41] <skorpn> I been using Linux since the mid 90's however its always been the dual boot or second machine kind of thing, and my old employers did not do linux
[20:42] <skorpn> Since I am in Albuqerque, Microsofts origiinal home all the tech businesses here practically grew up on Windows
[20:42] <bdragonsl> same here, I always kept it as a backup kinda thing, but it's gotten to the point to where you can use it for a daily driver and is probably better for that use-case than windows is now.
[20:42] <bdragonsl> ah, windows die-hards huh
[20:44] <skorpn> I dont think I can totally give it up so I want to try Linux on the main SSD and instead of dual booting, do a VM with the latest Windows 10 preview installed. Then I can have my beloved MATE booting regularly, with the occasional Windows 10 bout within VM
[20:44] <skorpn> Hoping that suits me better
[20:44] <bdragonsl> what did you use on win10 that you need?
[20:45] <skorpn> very little
[20:45] <skorpn> lol
[20:45] <skorpn> I LOVE the new Skype UWP app
[20:46] <skorpn> black theme with light colored text
[20:46] <skorpn> cant get that on Linux
[20:46] <bdragonsl> skype can be installed on linux
[20:46] <skorpn> yeah a very old crappy build
[20:47] <skorpn> Google Earth on Windows actually has photos that pop up, something that is only a white bubble on Linux
[20:47] <skorpn> I've spent days trying to fix that to no avail
[20:47] <bdragonsl> I was never a fan of skype.  I do think android is going the right way though.  Their new duo app looks like it might make people actually use video calling on their phones now.
[20:48] <skorpn> problem is my employer was using Skype ever since its creation, so I have hundreds of contacts on Skype
[20:48] <bdragonsl> yeah, google usually forgets linux, even though their chromebooks would be crap without it.
[20:48] <skorpn> lol
[20:49] <bdragonsl> least they could do is provide better support for the linux community since they basically owe it to Linux for having a platform to customize and build off of.  Otherwise they'd have had to start completely from scratch.
[20:49] <skorpn> yes
[20:51] <skorpn> well I have Ubuntu working now
[20:51] <skorpn> Just need to figure out how to turn that into Ubuntu MATE
[20:51] <bdragonsl> gratz!
[20:52] <bdragonsl> mate as in the de? Or as a full install?
[20:54] <skorpn> de
[20:54] <skorpn> I thought this would work
[20:54] <skorpn> sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \
[20:54] <skorpn> ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[20:54] <skorpn> but it does NOT
[20:54] <skorpn> throws up an error
[20:54] <skorpn> says ubuntu-mate-core can not be found
[20:55] <skorpn> I wonder if I now remove Unity, if it will retain the video card drivers and thus let me use MATE
[20:55] <bdragonsl> try this:  sudo apt-get install mate-desktop-environment-core
[20:55] <skorpn> just never done this before
[20:55] <skorpn> ok
[20:55] <skorpn> brb
[20:56] <bdragonsl> sorry, go here first.
[20:56] <bdragonsl> http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[20:56] <bdragonsl> it has install instructions for for the mate de that should get it installed for you.
[20:57] <bdragonsl> brb, vape break
[20:58] <skorpn> k
[21:04] <skorpn> hmm, this unity feels OK to me. Granted I havn't tried it since it was first released and hated it back then
[21:04] <skorpn> lol
[21:07] <skorpn> this is confusing, during install I had internet, but after installing Unity I have no network connection
[21:07] <petermore> hello
[21:07] <skorpn> hello
[21:08] <petermore> i installa mate 16.04
[21:08] <petermore> and all is right
[21:08] <petermore> but i cant change the brightness
[21:08] <petermore> someone have the same problem?
[21:09] <skorpn> OK nevermind me, it was easy enough to get it working
[21:10] <petermore> do you know how fix¿?
[21:10] <skorpn> Im here for help myself
[21:10] <skorpn> noob me is
[21:11] <skorpn> dont you have a brightness button on your display?
[21:11] <petermore> yes
[21:12] <petermore> i press the botton and i see the display
[21:12] <petermore> but not change
[21:12] <skorpn> hmm
[21:12] <skorpn> mine barely changes anything
 Once you have one Ubuntu running, the other desktops are in the repository. That should now be true for MATE as well.
[21:12] <skorpn> oh really
[21:12] <skorpn> so the previous commands should work the second time then?
[21:13] <Mysha> Commands?
[21:13] <skorpn> yeah my previous attempt to install threw up an error
[21:14] <Mysha> Hold on, I'll read back to see what I missed.
[21:14] <skorpn> sudo apt-get install -y mate-desktop-environment-extras \
[21:14] <skorpn> ubuntu-mate-core ubuntu-mate-desktop
[21:14] <skorpn> THAT told me that core was not found
[21:15] <skorpn> using instructions from --> http://hiroom2.jimdo.com/2016/05/21/install-mate-desktop/#sec-2
[21:15] <skorpn> reading thru the official stuff now
[21:18] <skorpn> oh wait, I think it is working a second try
[21:18] <Mysha> Hm, that looks weird. Like they're forgetting to install the desktop itself.
[21:18] <skorpn> yeah
[21:18] <Mysha> It works?
[21:18] <skorpn> its actually doing something this time
[21:18] <skorpn> lol
[21:18] <skorpn> its downloading files now
[21:18] <skorpn> 1126 MB
[21:19] <skorpn> sounds like a de to me
[21:19] <Mysha> Drum rolls
[21:19] <skorpn> lol
[21:19] <bdragonsl> huzzah!!
[21:20] <skorpn> now I have to figure out how to switch from unity to mate and back
[21:20] <skorpn> I assume I can have two de's at the same time installed
[21:20] <Mysha> Didn't you just remove unity?
[21:20] <skorpn> no
[21:21] <skorpn> I was scared to do that considering how big of a dl it is if it failed
[21:21] <randall> yeah skorpn you can have as many as you want, and just awitch at login
[21:21] <skorpn> its well over 2gb
[21:21] <bdragonsl> gonna switch clients, brb
[21:21] <skorpn> ok
[21:21] <Mysha> BVut, yes, you can have multiple desktops and choose at log in. (At least, that used to be true; I haven't messed with that recently.)
[21:21] <Mysha> Randall: Ah, good to hear that.
[21:22] <bdragons1> did it work @skorpn
[21:22] <Mysha> He's not back yet.
[21:22] <bdragons1> ah
[21:22] <skorpn> its still downloading
[21:23] <bdragons1> just starting my jump to irssi.  Seems pretty cool.  trying to get into using the terminal for more stuff.
[21:23] <skorpn> some host servers are soooo slow
[21:23] <skorpn> 1 hour it tells me
[21:23] <skorpn> lol
[21:24] <bdragons1> one thing I did like about linux mint was that it would prompt you to find the best one for your location.  I wish that ubuntu would pick that feature up.
[21:24] <skorpn> OK here is a question, if MATE works good and I have no need for unity can I just remove unity and it automatically then will boot to mate afterwards?
[21:27] <skorpn> I cant believe I got this installed correctly in RAID. Im so proud of myself right now
[21:27] <skorpn> lol
[21:28] <skorpn> OK, how do I select a de at login screen?
[21:30] <skorpn> woah it says its Done
[21:31] <bdragons1> glad to hear it!
[21:37] <skorpn> Well I guess its installed
[21:38] <skorpn> but only Unity launches when I sign in
[21:39] <Mysha> That's usually how desktops are set up.
[21:39] <Mysha> To not launch at the same time.
[21:39] <skorpn> lol, it gives me the MATE login screen, but I get the Unity desktop
[21:39] <skorpn> haha
[21:39] <skorpn> ok hmm what am I missing
[21:40] <bdragons1> so there should be a place really close to where you login that will have a gear or other icon to choose your desktop environment.
[21:40] <skorpn> yeah I better go look again I guess
[21:40] <skorpn> lol
[21:40] <skorpn> I might just keep Unity
[21:41] <skorpn> I didnt realize it was going to run this good
[21:41] <skorpn> I thought it was bloated and slow
[21:42] <Mysha> There's a row of buttons at the top right, when you are at login. (Should be.) Selecting the desktop ought to be in there somewhere.
[21:42] <skorpn> you were right, but the MATE selection gear is in the upper right hand corner next to the restart button
[21:42] <skorpn> Thanks Mysha
[21:43] <skorpn> Im going back and forth from a small laptop screen to my main rig
[21:43] <skorpn> didnt see your reply
[21:43] <skorpn> sorry
[21:44] <skorpn> and sure enough it works
[21:44] <skorpn> yay
[21:44] <Mysha> YW
[21:44] <skorpn> turned 50 yesterday and just learned a new trick
[21:45] <skorpn> feeling good now
[21:45] <Mysha> Never too old!
[21:48] <skorpn> is kernel 4.6 recommended?
[21:49] <skorpn> wait, is 1.12.1 the latest MATE version?
[21:49] <skorpn> I thought they were at like 1.81 or something
[21:50] <skorpn> or was that 1.8.1, lol
[21:50] <Mysha> That was 1.8.1, this is 1.12.1.
[21:50] <Mysha> You're fine.
[21:50] <skorpn> cool
[21:51] <skorpn> jeez this runs so good
[21:52] <skorpn> brb
[21:52] <skorpn> going to try and find this irc channel on the new ubuntu install and shut down this laptop
[21:53] <skorpn> thanks guys and gals
[21:53] <Mysha> There's a welcome tool with a connection.
[21:54] <hid|ninja> gals=
[22:09] <skorpn> well im back
[22:10] <skorpn> Everything is working just fantastic so far
[22:11] <bdragons1> good!
[22:11] <skorpn> Now I have to find some sort of guide to help me figure out how to put 3 ssd's into a raid 0 config. I bet that wont be as easy, lol.
[22:12] <bdragons1> yeah, don't have a clue on that one.  I haven't messed with raid in 5+ years.
[22:12] <skorpn> i been doing nothing but raid since the 90's
[22:12] <skorpn> but all on Windows
[22:12] <skorpn> lol
[22:12] <bdragons1> Since hdds have gotten so huge I haven't seen the need other than the redundancy factor, but I just use a separate drive for all my important stuff.
[22:13] <skorpn> unfortunately I have a dozen 128gb SSD's so I cant justify another larger drive
[22:13] <skorpn> I have to raid them or nothing
[22:15] <bdragons1> whatever you're doing to get enough money for that I want in!! LOL
[22:15] <skorpn> some day I will get a Intel 1TB 750 SSD, maybe by xmas
[22:16] <skorpn> only three of those i bought, dad retired the others and upgraded solely to PCIe SSD's, so now I have 4 Samsung 840 Pro's, 4 Crucial C300's and 4 older OCZ 64GB SSD's
[22:17] <skorpn> Three of the crucials I want in raid 0 on this machine since those are Enterprise level drives
[22:18] <skorpn> The rest go into my other Windows machine and my Linux laptop
[22:18] <skorpn> lol
[22:18] <skorpn> All my BIG spinning drives are now in my Home Server, lol
[22:18] <skorpn> ;)
[22:19] <skorpn> except for my 1TB that I have hooked up via external eSATA
[22:19] <skorpn> which is what I will use to backup the raid0 data for safe keeping. I'm simply not concerned with any raid failure as its so rare for me
[22:20] <skorpn> plus Im told linux software raid is very robust, probably better than windows raid
[22:20] <skorpn> I hope
[22:24] <skorpn> The main reason other than size, is the fact that my ICH10R transfers at 700 MB/s when in raid, and when in single drive I only get 250 MB/s. Since my PC is a PCIe 2.0 x58 machine from 2010. I just prefer the 700 MB/s, lol
[22:25] <skorpn> That is for at least 3 drives though
[22:27] <bdragons1> 1
[23:04] <skorpn> wow not a single guide can be found on the internet for doing raid in linux. Unbelievable to say the least. or my search skills suck, probably the later
[23:19] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=setting+up+raid+in+linux
[23:19] <nomic> ?
[23:19] <nomic> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/linux-raid.html  How to configure RAID in Linux - Tutorial
[23:20] <nomic>  how. to . set. up. raid in linux ... I just googled & it told me  how. to . set. up. raid in linux
[23:20] <nomic> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html