=== JanC is now known as Guest41566 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [00:28] Are ya familiar with the xserver Bashing-om? ' startx '? [00:37] don't use startx on ubuntu [00:37] bad things happen! [00:38] even in a command line only setup? [00:38] what bad things [00:38] I tried it and now the pc starts and I see a prompt but I cannot do anything. [00:39] which user are you trying to run this as? [00:39] i'd be willing to bet you don't have enough of a DE to achieve anything, right there [00:39] DO I need to run it as root? [00:40] Possibly. [00:40] shouldn't be running startx as root on any distro [00:40] no you shouldn't be running a DE as root [00:40] Plymouthd crashes on startup on 16.04... anyone have any idea what might cause this? [00:40] this is the problem with pursuing this minimalist setup idea without experience, without the right packages you're gonna have a bad time [00:41] ibrumfield: this isn't a support channel - so #ubuntu for that [00:41] Well one never learns not takin risks. How elase if one is to learn but to jump in and try stuff out? [00:42] i'm just laying it out for you [00:46] NorbyDroid: Yeah ,, I have a bit of familiarity .. // Did you install any X componenbts .. like say xorg ??. Can not start what is not installed . [00:47] I start it and the screen goes blank and then it shows the prompt and that is all. I can get to a new login by usin Ctrl-Alt-F2 [00:47] norby [00:47] or start a non-present DE :) [00:47] Isn't X the DE? [00:47] or XServer [00:47] no [00:47] I have Xorg installed [00:47] X is the foundation, the DE's the walls [00:51] NorbyDroid: Who was it that said they were not going to run a GUI ? // And who said you were in for a steep learning curve ? [00:51] hehe [00:53] Okay okay toche [00:56] Okay I figured out one error (I've made plenty). I didn't have my program fully enabled so that was one problem. When I run it (doen't need a GUI/DE) it only shows in a small section of the screen. [00:57] NorbyDroid: We can work through this .. Just takes a bit of time .. and a lot of effort on your part for progressing on the linux curve . You chose to jump on here in the deep end . [00:57] I'm willin to loose a few strands. [00:59] NorbyDroid: // What have you now for a terminal TTY ? .. IF tty maybe we can set 'page=1' to allow ,ore than one page of code to be displayed ?? [01:00] I don't know, to be honest. I might just redo and start over not installing the stuff I did that messed it up. [01:01] it sounds like you'd be better off learning in a VM with this stuff [01:01] What does Control-Alt-F2 do? Restarts a new session? [01:01] install, snapshot, experiment... revert to the snapshot if you make a mistake [01:01] That does sound like a plan daftykins [01:02] I do have 15.04 CLI setup in vbox already [01:02] clear [01:02] that release is EOL, so it would not be worth working with [01:02] NorbyDroid: Well .. practice makes perfect .. but this is 'buntu .. always fixable with time effort and a liveDVD . So long as you can get a terminal one can remove and install; 'til ya get it like ya like . [01:04] True [01:05] NorbyDroid: In a default install there are 8 TTYs availabale . ( ctl+alt+F2 is TTY2) .. the GUI generally runs ion TTY7 . [01:07] Ah [01:07] Smoke break .. be back in just a bit . [01:17] * Bashing-om is back [01:19] NorbyDroid: As you have a strong background and an interest on 'buntu as the development environment, we will expend the foundational efforts to groom you such that soonest you can be a contributing member of the community . Takes time . I have heard that the curve is 10 years . [01:20] got a question for you all [01:20] im wanting to uninstall a bunch of junk i dont use [01:20] and want to make it more or less as simple as right click a menu item and select remove [01:21] eg if i wanted to remove xchat i would right click it in the internet sub menu and select a option remove i found this and it seems like im on the right track more or less [01:21] http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/3156 [01:21] basically would be a new contxt menu item [01:22] i know id need to enter my sudo pass each program but yeh should work [01:26] that's a support question [01:36] yeh i wasnt sure [01:36] seems a little of both really [01:40] what's wrong with sudo apt-get purge program1 program2 programN? [01:41] --purge remove [01:41] ? [01:41] have to look up each in the menu to see what i dont want and then make up a list etc [01:41] where this way i see what i dont want and just right click purge remove what ever [01:42] i want to create a script at some point to do it in one click [01:42] what's the matter with using synaptic? [01:42] ah [01:42] exactly [01:42] its faster to just right click and get rid of [01:42] i figure it is doable but just never tried it before [01:43] i know its possible to add right click options [01:43] Sounds like an equilivent to an uninstall link in WIndows [01:43] so should be able to do say apt-get purge somewildcardstring [01:43] basically yeh [01:43] seto: Consider; that is a functionality of synaptic . Does that job very well . [01:43] little simpler and cleaner though [01:43] true true [01:44] thast how i did it the last time [01:44] using installed [01:44] NorbyDroid: no, you don't need to specify both [01:44] prob is though it lists libs drivers etc as well [01:44] seto: i don't see why the design needs to change just for you, personally [01:45] i mean this task is being done once then you'll be sorted... [01:45] with me and my fooling around with stuff yeh prob not once lol [01:45] Okay daftykins. Does it wirk with just 'purge' or does it need the -- first? [01:46] you can read up the usage from the 'man' page [01:47] "man apt-get" [01:47] There are alot of man-pages I need to read upon. [01:47] a lot, yep [01:49] this linux stuff is a real pita... [01:50] Can ya define pita? Is that good or bad? [01:50] people eating tasty animals?? [01:50] pain in the butt [01:50] we have a racoon here we wanna get rid of ;) [01:51] ummm... [01:51] I find linux a joy. [01:51] me too, i love it [01:51] NorbyDroid: A wonderful thing we have a manual as close as the terminal . -- a wealth of documentation in /usr/share/doc/ directories . [01:51] Loved DOS. Liked Windows 3.x and Win 9x. Took a couple years to swap to XP. Now I run Linux as my main OS. [01:52] Will be scanning those into memory Bashing-om. [01:52] you don't ever come away from the command line if you do Windows in depth [01:54] :) [01:54] On my other desktop I have XP installed, but I run DOS on it more using a 16GB usb. [01:55] not wise running EOL operating systems [01:55] thing about xp is it is way more bloaty than windows 7 [01:55] I do it for legacy programs and stuff I refuse to leg go of. [01:55] seto: that's a really daft statement [01:55] i put the 32 bit ver of 7 on a very old compaq laptop that was orig xp pro [01:55] >let go of< [01:55] it used about 1/3 the ram and ran one heck of allot faster [01:56] I've litteraly killed a laptop runnin Win 7. [01:56] not really daftykins [01:56] i thought it was going to be a uge mistake to at first [01:56] yeah right, with XP being the used install no doubt - so an apples to oranges comparison [01:56] sorry but that's 100% rubbish [01:56] but just post install 7 was going on 300ish mb ram compaired to a bit over 500 on the laptop with 1gb ram [01:57] tried both ways honestly [01:57] I wish I could figure out how to stop ubuntu from deleting old kernels [01:57] i first reinstalled xp and was around 350 to 400 7 was about 310 or so [01:57] after tweaking a bit 7 was jusst south 300 [01:57] you know 7 caches like Linux and XP doesn't, right? [01:58] www.linuxatemyram.com [01:58] yep [01:58] think for 64 bit only [01:58] lol. [01:58] not sure on that would need to check to be sure [01:58] i can tell you already that's false [01:58] it's no wonder some folk flock to another OS when they don't understand the one they begin with [01:59] oh i understand windows quite well [01:59] im constantly working on windows comps kind of my job [01:59] just dont run in to 7 32 bit much [02:00] again, the above challenges that :) [02:00] actually other than my laptop i had i think i seen one other 32 bit install [02:00] I didn't like the way MS was goin startin with Vista so I went full on linux and haven't looked back. Not one regret. [02:00] if you say so [02:00] i just know that on my old system that it ran way leaner than xp ever did [02:00] esp with tweaking [02:00] then you sir, cannot configure Windows. [02:01] again believe what you want or dont i really dont much care [02:01] #windows [02:01] been working on computers for 22 years [02:01] Which sir? [02:02] working for one company right now for 30 a hour doing service calls and have already went back to previous customers for other comps of their a few times [02:02] In a way I enjoyed the home computers more than the personal computers we have now. [02:02] home? o0 [02:02] heh old hardware was more fun NorbyDroid [02:02] more hardware hacking possible than now [02:03] Yea know the3 old Commodore computers, TI, Tandy (Radio Shoack) etc. [02:03] I still have a TI-99/4a here [02:03] lol tsr80 color computer 2 :p [02:03] Not tryin to show my age, but oh well. lol [02:03] :P [02:04] 42 here so yeh i remember many of those old comps lol [02:04] intelevision 2 game consol any one :p [02:04] Close to my age. [02:04] console even [02:04] Just turned 46 last month [02:04] how about mfm hds or rfms hehe [02:05] and oops ment 43 not 2 typoed [02:05] Remember the old 8 inch floppies? [02:05] a little before my time [02:05] but not by much [02:05] i started working on computers for a living in 94 [02:05] fooled around with some basic ones tsr80s etc before that [02:05] If I remember the old Commodore PET and Radio Shack computers used those [02:06] i remember when the mmx cpus first hit etc [02:06] I used to go around and helpin people out with their systems. [02:06] yeh and tape drives lol [02:06] I still have one of those. [02:07] i had a old leading edge 386 20 at one point [02:07] with the daughter board that had the cpu and ram on it etc [02:07] those old tape drives were nice for remastering ld tapes you had [02:07] My oldest system here is a Packard 166Mhz. I maxed it out in ram, video menory and I added a DVD drive, 2 8GB hds a zip and tape drive as ell. [02:07] well [02:08] they had way better read and write heads than a walkman or boom box [02:08] I don't count the TI because that is a different beast. [02:08] hmm maxed out vid mem [02:08] The Packard has 128MB (max ram) and 2mb video. [02:08] im thinking s3 virge 2 meg upgradeable to 8? [02:09] or was it a tritan card [02:09] I took memory out of an old Cirrus logic board and used it in the packard to go from 1mb to 2mb [02:09] ahh ok [02:09] old cirus logics were nearly unkillable lol [02:09] i kept s3 virge cards in pci and agp for ever [02:10] for known good hardware for testing hard ware probs [02:10] I use an old Sound Blaster 64Gold for the sound. Sweet card. [02:10] yep [02:10] had that one the asound clone sb plat and the bay amp for it [02:10] also had a new q bay amp damn that thing was nice [02:11] paid 159 for it on release day [02:11] I have been meaning to get the Packard back up. It wasn't put in a safe place and when I started it the main drive popped and died. I have a new 8GB I need to put in it. [02:11] packard bell lol [02:11] does yours have the wires on the back of the mobo where they bypassed dead traces and such on the board lol [02:11] I love that old comp. Was my first PC. [02:12] No, I don't have one of those. [02:12] cant by pass dead traces any more really [02:12] I lost alot of stuff in my move some years back [02:12] 3+ layers killed that pretty much for good [02:13] back when they were single and dual layer only you could bypass dead traces or use a pint pen to bridge broken ones [02:13] paint even [02:13] If y'all like ASCII art and text stuff I would like y'alls opinion of my Norby project. [02:13] did a few old server boards that were dual layer pcb [02:13] It is all texst and includes alot of stuff. [02:15] well guess ill spend part of the day tomorow stripping away the extra stuff from my install [02:16] right now its hovering right around 9 gigs installed [02:16] on a chromebook with a piddly 16gb ssd thats a bit big lol [02:16] My system here has a 2TB hard drive split into 1tb/1tb partitions [02:16] Quite a bit of overkill, in my opinion [02:16] yeh this one doesnt have a upgradeable ssd [02:16] Dual core 3Ghz 3GB ram [02:17] i want to get one of the 16 gb ram pixels that have removeable ssds [02:17] figure get 16 gb ram model with 32 gb ssd [02:17] Referin to a desktop or laptop? [02:17] pull it and put a 750 gb to 1.5 tb mechanical in it [02:17] This is a slimline Lenovo desktop here I amreferin to [02:17] chromebook basically a laptop [02:17] ultra portable and light with crazy battery life lol [02:18] Leo has been talkin bout the chromebooks alot lately [02:18] right now with bloat from default install it boots in about 50 seconds from power off [02:18] Leo Laporte [02:18] ill have it down to sub 45 seconds soon enough [02:18] some of the high end ones are no joke [02:19] beefy little comps [02:19] i7 cpus [02:19] 16 to 32 gb ram 64 to 128 gb ssds [02:19] think the one even has a 4k display [02:19] with i think nvidia gpu [02:19] pretty basic one though [02:19] or maybe that is a to be released one [02:22] personally i want to get back in to custom builds again [02:22] and offer kubuntu or other variant of ubuntu as a os choice [02:23] in this day and age most do not need windows as they mostly just do web and email [02:23] most by a slim margine though [02:24] still lots of gamers who need windows for gaming because of direct x [02:24] i ended up installing linux for about 8 customers in the last month [02:25] all because they seen my chrome book and liked how it ran and worked [02:26] what gts the most comments is what the one guy called the start menu on steroids lol [02:26] he liked the way it organises every thing [02:26] and he dont do games etc [02:26] and has used open office for years any ways [02:27] so installed kubuntu etc [02:32] I just saw my old Pentium IBM ThinkPad. Forgot I had that. [02:32] Non-mmx if I am not mistaken. [02:36] HUGE ;) hard drive at 1gb [02:39] i ran smooth wll on a old compaq pent 90 with like 16mb ram and a 2gb hd [02:39] way way over powered for it [02:39] now granted i ran php my admin apache and squid and bind on it [02:40] all dns look ups were basically done on the box [02:41] cant remember now what dns servers it used for fall back before bind took over [02:41] eg some new site not already on the firewall box [02:41] i only rebooted that system once in like 8 years of service [02:42] the second time i tried rebooting it the hd refused to spin back up lol [02:42] had a old red hat machine as well as a win2k pro and another win2k machine that was adv server [02:43] also had a windows xp machine that started out as a 98 se machine [02:43] I did a reversal. Took an XP laptop and swapped it out for WIn 98 [02:44] eeew lol [02:45] i installed windows 3.0 on a ath clasic 700 mh with 64 mb ram once lol [02:45] that was uh interesting ... [02:45] obviously it did not read all the ram but yeh [02:45] I have 98 decked out with alot of updates, USB comparable to XP, a way to run XP-only programs, and an XP look. Really sweet setup. [02:45] oh and win 98 on a 386 20 mhz to once [02:45] that was a interesting poc lol [02:46] Ever had Win v1 runnin off a floppy drive? [02:46] modern system. [02:46] took hours to boot [02:46] lol [02:46] and did not shut down even after 5 days sitting [02:47] i had a legit win 1 system [02:47] was on a very old compaq 286 with mfm hd 300 meg [02:47] biggest mfm hd made [02:47] think was 380 mb total [02:47] double height 5.25 [02:48] it met its end by being fed to a repavers pavement grinder :p [02:48] road crew let me do it to lol [02:49] that was 17 years ago now that it got ate [02:49] still bits of it in the pavement [02:49] they use one of those single pass pavers [02:49] where it grinds up front heats melts mixxes lays down new [02:50] I am off to work on my project. Later taters. [02:50] yeh bed tme for me more or less [02:50] going to watch a ep or 2 of code geass [02:51] and the ncis ep i got cued up [02:51] Jinkies! About that time. [02:51] Didn't realize it was about 2300 hours. [02:53] yep [04:27] good morning to all [05:31] lotuspsychje: Morning [05:31] hi ibrumfield [05:34] * lotuspsychje is hitting a hot shower [11:46] Hey folks [11:46] hi BluesKaj [11:47] 'Morning pauljw [11:58] switched back to adblock lite on FF, bluhell was blocking the video player supplied by some sites, took me a while to figure it out ;-) [12:01] :) [12:20] Not sure if it is my systems or not but I cannot get the Lubuntu 16.04 i386 to work. === Switches is now known as Guest89183 === Guest89183 is now known as ZoiaGuyver === ZoiaGuyver is now known as Switches