[00:28] <NorbyDroid> Are ya familiar with the xserver Bashing-om?  ' startx '?
[00:37] <daftykins> don't use startx on ubuntu
[00:37] <daftykins> bad things happen!
[00:38] <NorbyDroid> even in a command line only setup?
[00:38] <dax> what bad things
[00:38] <NorbyDroid> I tried it and now the pc starts and I see a prompt but I cannot do anything.
[00:39] <daftykins> which user are you trying to run this as?
[00:39] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet you don't have enough of a DE to achieve anything, right there
[00:39] <NorbyDroid> DO I need to run it as root?
[00:40] <NorbyDroid> Possibly.
[00:40] <dax> shouldn't be running startx as root on any distro
[00:40] <daftykins> no you shouldn't be running a DE as root
[00:40] <ibrumfield> Plymouthd crashes on startup on 16.04... anyone have any idea what might cause this?
[00:40] <daftykins> this is the problem with pursuing this minimalist setup idea without experience, without the right packages you're gonna have a bad time
[00:41] <daftykins> ibrumfield: this isn't a support channel - so #ubuntu for that
[00:41] <NorbyDroid> Well one never learns not takin risks.  How elase if one is to learn but to jump in and try stuff out?
[00:42] <daftykins> i'm just laying it out for you
[00:46] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Yeah ,, I have a bit of familiarity .. // Did you install any X componenbts .. like say xorg ??. Can not start what is not installed .
[00:47] <NorbyDroid> I start it and the screen goes blank and then it shows the prompt and that is all.  I can get to a new login by usin Ctrl-Alt-F2
[00:47] <NorbyDroid> norby
[00:47] <daftykins> or start a non-present DE :)
[00:47] <NorbyDroid> Isn't X the DE?
[00:47] <NorbyDroid> or XServer
[00:47] <dax> no
[00:47] <NorbyDroid> I have Xorg installed
[00:47] <daftykins> X is the foundation, the DE's the walls
[00:51] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Who was it that said they were not going to run a GUI ? // And who said you were in for a steep learning curve ?
[00:51] <daftykins> hehe
[00:53] <NorbyDroid> Okay okay toche
[00:56] <NorbyDroid> Okay I figured out one error (I've made plenty).  I didn't have my program fully enabled so that was one problem.  When I run it (doen't need a GUI/DE) it only shows in a small section of the screen.
[00:57] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: We can work through this .. Just takes a bit of time .. and a lot of effort on your part for progressing on the linux curve . You chose to jump on here in the deep end .
[00:57] <NorbyDroid> I'm willin to loose a few strands.
[00:59] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: // What have you now for a terminal TTY ? .. IF tty maybe we can set 'page=1' to allow ,ore than one page of code to be displayed ??
[01:00] <NorbyDroid> I don't know, to be honest.  I might just redo and start over not installing the stuff I did that messed it up.
[01:01] <daftykins> it sounds like you'd be better off learning in a VM with this stuff
[01:01] <NorbyDroid> What does Control-Alt-F2 do?  Restarts a new session?
[01:01] <daftykins> install, snapshot, experiment... revert to the snapshot if you make a mistake
[01:01] <NorbyDroid> That does sound like a plan daftykins
[01:02] <NorbyDroid> I do have 15.04 CLI setup in vbox already
[01:02] <NorbyDroid> clear
[01:02] <daftykins> that release is EOL, so it would not be worth working with
[01:02] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: Well .. practice makes perfect .. but this is 'buntu .. always fixable with time effort and a liveDVD . So long as you can get a terminal one can remove and install; 'til ya get it like ya like .
[01:04] <NorbyDroid> True
[01:05] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: In a default install there are 8 TTYs availabale . ( ctl+alt+F2 is TTY2) .. the GUI generally runs ion TTY7 .
[01:07] <NorbyDroid> Ah
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Smoke break .. be back in just a bit .
[01:17]  * Bashing-om is back
[01:19] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: As you have a strong background and an interest on 'buntu as the development environment, we will expend the foundational efforts to groom you such that soonest you can be a contributing member of the community . Takes time . I have heard that the curve is 10 years .
[01:20] <seto> got a question for you all
[01:20] <seto> im wanting to uninstall a bunch of junk i dont use
[01:20] <seto> and want to make it more or less as simple as right click a menu item and select remove
[01:21] <seto> eg if i wanted to remove xchat i would right click it in the internet sub menu and select a option remove i found this and it seems like im on the right track more or less
[01:21] <seto> http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/h/3156
[01:21] <seto> basically would be a new contxt menu item
[01:22] <seto> i know id need to enter my sudo pass each program but yeh should work
[01:26] <daftykins> that's a support question
[01:36] <seto> yeh i wasnt sure
[01:36] <seto> seems a little of both really
[01:40] <daftykins> what's wrong with sudo apt-get purge program1 program2 programN?
[01:41] <NorbyDroid> --purge remove
[01:41] <NorbyDroid> ?
[01:41] <seto> have to look up each in the menu to see what i dont want and then make up a list etc
[01:41] <seto> where this way i see what i dont want and just right click purge remove what ever
[01:42] <seto> i want to create a script at some point to do it in one click
[01:42] <pauljw> what's the matter with using synaptic?
[01:42] <pauljw> ah
[01:42] <seto> exactly
[01:42] <seto> its faster to just right click and get rid of
[01:42] <seto> i figure it is doable but just never tried it before
[01:43] <seto> i know its possible to add right click options
[01:43] <NorbyDroid> Sounds like an equilivent to an uninstall link in WIndows
[01:43] <seto> so should be able to do say apt-get purge somewildcardstring
[01:43] <seto> basically yeh
[01:43] <Bashing-om> seto: Consider; that is a functionality of synaptic . Does that job very well .
[01:43] <seto> little simpler and cleaner though
[01:43] <seto> true true
[01:44] <seto> thast how i did it the last time
[01:44] <seto> using installed
[01:44] <daftykins> NorbyDroid: no, you don't need to specify both
[01:44] <seto> prob is though it lists libs drivers etc as well
[01:44] <daftykins> seto: i don't see why the design needs to change just for you, personally
[01:45] <daftykins> i mean this task is being done once then you'll be sorted...
[01:45] <seto> with me and my fooling around with stuff yeh prob not once lol
[01:45] <NorbyDroid> Okay daftykins.  Does it wirk with just 'purge' or does it need the -- first?
[01:46] <daftykins> you can read up the usage from the 'man' page
[01:47] <daftykins> "man apt-get"
[01:47] <NorbyDroid> There are alot of man-pages I need to read upon.
[01:47] <daftykins> a lot, yep
[01:49] <pauljw> this linux stuff is a real pita...
[01:50] <NorbyDroid> Can ya define pita?  Is that good or bad?
[01:50] <pauljw> people eating tasty animals??
[01:50] <pauljw> pain in the butt
[01:50] <NorbyDroid> we have a racoon here we wanna get rid of ;)
[01:51] <pauljw> ummm...
[01:51] <NorbyDroid> I find linux a joy.
[01:51] <pauljw> me too, i love it
[01:51] <Bashing-om> NorbyDroid: A wonderful thing we have a manual as close as the terminal . -- a wealth of documentation in /usr/share/doc/ directories .
[01:51] <NorbyDroid> Loved DOS.  Liked Windows 3.x and Win 9x.  Took a couple years to swap to XP.  Now I run Linux as my main OS.
[01:52] <NorbyDroid> Will be scanning those into memory Bashing-om.
[01:52] <daftykins> you don't ever come away from the command line if you do Windows in depth
[01:54] <pauljw> :)
[01:54] <NorbyDroid> On my other desktop I have XP installed, but I run DOS on it more using a 16GB usb.
[01:55] <daftykins> not wise running EOL operating systems
[01:55] <seto> thing about xp is it is way more bloaty than windows 7
[01:55] <NorbyDroid> I do it for legacy programs and stuff I refuse to leg go of.
[01:55] <daftykins> seto: that's a really daft statement
[01:55] <seto> i put the 32 bit ver of 7 on a very old compaq laptop that was orig xp pro
[01:55] <NorbyDroid> >let go of<
[01:55] <seto> it used about 1/3 the ram and ran one heck of allot faster
[01:56] <NorbyDroid> I've litteraly killed a laptop runnin Win 7.
[01:56] <seto> not really daftykins
[01:56] <seto> i thought it was going to be a uge mistake to at first
[01:56] <daftykins> yeah right, with XP being the used install no doubt - so an apples to oranges comparison
[01:56] <daftykins> sorry but that's 100% rubbish
[01:56] <seto> but just post install 7 was going on 300ish mb ram compaired to a bit over 500 on the laptop with 1gb ram
[01:57] <seto> tried both ways honestly
[01:57] <dbz2k> I wish I could figure out how to stop ubuntu from deleting old kernels
[01:57] <seto> i first reinstalled xp and was around 350 to 400 7 was about 310 or so
[01:57] <seto> after tweaking a bit 7 was jusst south 300
[01:57] <daftykins> you know 7 caches like Linux and XP doesn't, right?
[01:58] <daftykins> www.linuxatemyram.com
[01:58] <seto> yep
[01:58] <seto> think for 64 bit only
[01:58] <daftykins> lol.
[01:58] <seto> not sure on that would need to check to be sure
[01:58] <daftykins> i can tell you already that's false
[01:58] <daftykins> it's no wonder some folk flock to another OS when they don't understand the one they begin with
[01:59] <seto> oh i understand windows quite well
[01:59] <seto> im constantly working on windows comps kind of my job
[01:59] <seto> just dont run in to 7 32 bit much
[02:00] <daftykins> again, the above challenges that :)
[02:00] <seto> actually other than my laptop i had i think i seen one other 32 bit install
[02:00] <NorbyDroid> I didn't like the way MS was goin startin with Vista so I went full on linux and haven't looked back.  Not one regret.
[02:00] <seto> if you say so
[02:00] <seto> i just know that on my old system that it ran way leaner than xp ever did
[02:00] <seto> esp with tweaking
[02:00] <daftykins> then you sir, cannot configure Windows.
[02:01] <seto> again believe what you want or dont i really dont much care
[02:01] <ibrumfield> #windows
[02:01] <seto> been working on computers for 22 years
[02:01] <NorbyDroid> Which sir?
[02:02] <seto> working for one company right now for 30 a hour doing service calls and have already went back to previous customers for other comps of their a few times
[02:02] <NorbyDroid> In a way I enjoyed the home computers more than the personal computers we have now.
[02:02] <daftykins> home? o0
[02:02] <seto> heh old hardware was more fun NorbyDroid
[02:02] <seto> more hardware hacking possible than now
[02:03] <NorbyDroid> Yea know the3 old Commodore computers, TI, Tandy (Radio Shoack) etc.
[02:03] <NorbyDroid> I still have a TI-99/4a here
[02:03] <seto> lol tsr80 color computer 2 :p
[02:03] <NorbyDroid> Not tryin to show my age, but oh well.  lol
[02:03] <NorbyDroid> :P
[02:04] <seto> 42 here so yeh i remember many of those old comps lol
[02:04] <seto> intelevision 2 game consol any one :p
[02:04] <NorbyDroid> Close to my age.
[02:04] <seto> console even
[02:04] <NorbyDroid> Just turned 46 last month
[02:04] <seto> how about mfm hds or rfms hehe
[02:05] <seto> and oops ment 43 not 2 typoed
[02:05] <NorbyDroid> Remember the old 8 inch floppies?
[02:05] <seto> a little before my time
[02:05] <seto> but not by much
[02:05] <seto> i started working on computers for a living in 94
[02:05] <seto> fooled around with some basic ones tsr80s etc before that
[02:05] <NorbyDroid> If I remember the old Commodore PET and Radio Shack computers used those
[02:06] <seto> i remember when the mmx cpus first hit etc
[02:06] <NorbyDroid> I used to go around and helpin people out with their systems.
[02:06] <seto> yeh and tape drives lol
[02:06] <NorbyDroid> I still have one of those.
[02:07] <seto> i had a old leading edge 386 20 at one point
[02:07] <seto> with the daughter board that had the cpu and ram on it etc
[02:07] <seto> those old tape drives were nice for remastering ld tapes you had
[02:07] <NorbyDroid> My oldest system here is a Packard 166Mhz.  I maxed it out in ram, video menory and I added a DVD drive, 2 8GB hds a zip and tape drive as ell.
[02:07] <NorbyDroid> well
[02:08] <seto> they had way better read and write heads than a walkman or boom box
[02:08] <NorbyDroid> I don't count the TI because that is a different beast.
[02:08] <seto> hmm maxed out vid mem
[02:08] <NorbyDroid> The Packard has 128MB (max ram) and 2mb video.
[02:08] <seto> im thinking s3 virge 2 meg upgradeable to 8?
[02:09] <seto> or was it a tritan card
[02:09] <NorbyDroid> I took memory out of an old Cirrus logic board and used it in the packard to go from 1mb to 2mb
[02:09] <seto> ahh ok
[02:09] <seto> old cirus logics were nearly unkillable lol
[02:09] <seto> i kept s3 virge cards in pci and agp for ever
[02:10] <seto> for known good hardware for testing hard ware probs
[02:10] <NorbyDroid> I use an old Sound Blaster 64Gold for the sound.  Sweet card.
[02:10] <seto> yep
[02:10] <seto> had that one the asound clone sb plat and the bay amp for it
[02:10] <seto> also had a new q bay amp damn that thing was nice
[02:11] <seto> paid 159 for it on release day
[02:11] <NorbyDroid> I have been meaning to get the Packard back up.  It wasn't put in a safe place and when I started it the main drive popped and died.  I have a new 8GB I need to put in it.
[02:11] <seto> packard bell lol
[02:11] <seto> does yours have the wires on the back of the mobo where they bypassed dead traces and such on the board lol
[02:11] <NorbyDroid> I love that old comp.  Was my first PC.
[02:12] <NorbyDroid> No, I don't have one of those.
[02:12] <seto> cant by pass dead traces any more really
[02:12] <NorbyDroid> I lost alot of stuff in my move some years back
[02:12] <seto> 3+ layers killed that pretty much for good
[02:13] <seto> back when they were single and dual layer only you could bypass dead traces or use a pint pen to bridge broken ones
[02:13] <seto> paint even
[02:13] <NorbyDroid> If y'all like ASCII art and text stuff I would like y'alls opinion of my Norby project.
[02:13] <seto> did a few old server boards that were dual layer pcb
[02:13] <NorbyDroid> It is all texst and includes alot of stuff.
[02:15] <seto> well guess ill spend part of the day tomorow stripping away the extra stuff from my install
[02:16] <seto> right now its hovering right around 9 gigs installed
[02:16] <seto> on a chromebook with a piddly 16gb ssd thats a bit big lol
[02:16] <NorbyDroid> My system here has a 2TB hard drive split into 1tb/1tb partitions
[02:16] <NorbyDroid> Quite a bit of overkill, in my opinion
[02:16] <seto> yeh this one doesnt have a upgradeable ssd
[02:16] <NorbyDroid> Dual core 3Ghz 3GB ram
[02:17] <seto> i want to get one of the 16 gb ram pixels that have removeable ssds
[02:17] <seto> figure get 16 gb ram model with 32 gb ssd
[02:17] <NorbyDroid> Referin to a desktop or laptop?
[02:17] <seto> pull it and put a 750 gb to 1.5 tb mechanical in it
[02:17] <NorbyDroid> This is a slimline Lenovo desktop here I amreferin to
[02:17] <seto> chromebook basically a laptop
[02:17] <seto> ultra portable and light with crazy battery life lol
[02:18] <NorbyDroid> Leo has been talkin bout the chromebooks alot lately
[02:18] <seto> right now with bloat from default install it boots in about 50 seconds from power off
[02:18] <NorbyDroid> Leo Laporte
[02:18] <seto> ill have it down to sub 45 seconds soon enough
[02:18] <seto> some of the high end ones are no joke
[02:19] <seto> beefy little comps
[02:19] <seto> i7 cpus
[02:19] <seto> 16 to 32 gb ram 64 to 128 gb ssds
[02:19] <seto> think the one even has a 4k display
[02:19] <seto> with i think nvidia gpu
[02:19] <seto> pretty basic one though
[02:19] <seto> or maybe that is a to be released one
[02:22] <seto> personally i want to get back in to custom builds again
[02:22] <seto> and offer kubuntu or other variant of ubuntu as a os choice
[02:23] <seto> in this day and age most do not need windows as they mostly just do web and email
[02:23] <seto> most by a slim margine though
[02:24] <seto> still lots of gamers who need windows for gaming because of direct x
[02:24] <seto> i ended up installing linux for about 8 customers in the last month
[02:25] <seto> all because they seen my chrome book and liked how it ran and worked
[02:26] <seto> what gts the most comments is what the one guy called the start menu on steroids lol
[02:26] <seto> he liked the way it organises every thing
[02:26] <seto> and he dont do games etc
[02:26] <seto> and has used open office for years any ways
[02:27] <seto> so installed kubuntu etc
[02:32] <NorbyDroid> I just saw my old Pentium IBM ThinkPad.  Forgot I had that.
[02:32] <NorbyDroid> Non-mmx if I am not mistaken.
[02:36] <NorbyDroid> HUGE ;) hard drive at 1gb
[02:39] <seto> i ran smooth wll on a old compaq pent 90 with like 16mb ram and a 2gb hd
[02:39] <seto> way way over powered for it
[02:39] <seto> now granted i ran php my admin apache and squid and bind on it
[02:40] <seto> all dns look ups were basically done on the box
[02:41] <seto> cant remember now what dns servers it used for fall back before bind took over
[02:41] <seto> eg some new site not already on the firewall box
[02:41] <seto> i only rebooted that system once in like 8 years of service
[02:42] <seto> the second time i tried rebooting it the hd refused to spin back up lol
[02:42] <seto> had a old red hat machine as well as a win2k pro and another win2k machine that was adv server
[02:43] <seto> also had a windows xp machine that started out as a 98 se machine
[02:43] <NorbyDroid> I did a reversal.  Took an XP laptop and swapped it out for WIn 98
[02:44] <seto> eeew lol
[02:45] <seto> i installed windows 3.0 on a ath clasic 700 mh with 64 mb ram once lol
[02:45] <seto> that was uh interesting ...
[02:45] <seto> obviously it did not read all the ram but yeh
[02:45] <NorbyDroid> I have 98 decked out with alot of updates, USB comparable to XP, a way to run XP-only programs, and an XP look.  Really sweet setup.
[02:45] <seto> oh and win 98 on a 386 20 mhz to once
[02:45] <seto> that was a interesting poc lol
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> Ever had Win v1 runnin off a floppy drive?
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> modern system.
[02:46] <seto> took hours to boot
[02:46] <NorbyDroid> lol
[02:46] <seto> and did not shut down even after 5 days sitting
[02:47] <seto> i had a legit win 1 system
[02:47] <seto> was on a very old compaq 286 with mfm hd 300 meg
[02:47] <seto> biggest mfm hd made
[02:47] <seto> think was 380 mb total
[02:47] <seto> double height 5.25
[02:48] <seto> it met its end by being fed to a repavers pavement grinder :p
[02:48] <seto> road crew let me do it to lol
[02:49] <seto> that was 17 years ago now that it got ate
[02:49] <seto> still bits of it in the pavement
[02:49] <seto> they use one of those single pass pavers
[02:49] <seto> where it grinds up front heats melts mixxes lays down new
[02:50] <NorbyDroid> I am off to work on my project.  Later taters.
[02:50] <seto> yeh bed tme for me more or less
[02:50] <seto> going to watch a ep or 2 of code geass
[02:51] <seto> and the ncis ep i got cued up
[02:51] <NorbyDroid> Jinkies!  About that time.
[02:51] <NorbyDroid> Didn't realize it was about 2300 hours.
[02:53] <seto> yep
[04:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:31] <ibrumfield> lotuspsychje: Morning
[05:31] <lotuspsychje> hi ibrumfield
[05:34]  * lotuspsychje is hitting a hot shower
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:46] <pauljw> hi BluesKaj
[11:47] <BluesKaj> 'Morning pauljw
[11:58] <BluesKaj> switched back to adblock lite on FF, bluhell was blocking the video player supplied by some sites, took me a while to figure it out ;-)
[12:01] <pauljw> :)
[12:20] <NorbyDroid> Not sure if it is my systems or not but I cannot get the Lubuntu 16.04 i386 to work.