[00:46] <bdragons1> @nomic, I did the same, don't know what he was talking about.
[00:47] <nomic> whiner
[00:49] <nomic> thought right away -- thats very unlikely -- linux = nuts and bolts system where everything has been addressed (quite often in different w ays) .. thought, there will be a HOWTO for that (there was)
[00:55] <bdragons1> same, but hey, maybe he was using some old search engine or something.  Wouldn't be the firs time someone kept using an old out-dated search engine.  Remember altavista??
[01:16] <alleyviper> Apparently my "googling" skills have bit the dust. Is Ubuntu 16.04 a specific kernel version, or still considered 16.04 of I upgrade the kernel to say v4.4.11?
[01:20] <nomic> 15 is the mate / ubuntu v
[01:20] <nomic> kernel vs are differrent
[01:20] <nomic> uname -r
[01:20] <nomic> gives you linux kernel v
[01:20] <chas> hey how do you resize the filesystem
[01:20] <nomic> 16 = ubuntu release
[01:21] <nomic> using gparted
[01:21] <nomic> sudo gparted
[01:21] <chas> is there any easier way
[01:21] <alleyviper> ahh, ok. that makes sense. thanks
[01:21] <nomic> is easieest with gparted
[01:22] <nomic> can be resized wit fdisk
[01:22] <chas> ok thanks
[01:22] <nomic> gparted, you drag a bar to resize the volume
[01:22] <nomic> after unlocking it
[01:22] <nomic> you cannot do it on a mounted vol
[01:22] <nomic> ie. what you boot from
[01:22] <nomic> put sd card in, resize it
[01:22] <nomic> or put drive in, separate mount, resize it
[01:23] <nomic> obviously, you cannot resize what you are sitting on
[01:24] <chas> can you do it while running the pi
[01:27] <alleyviper> One other question. I have one of these Kangaroo mini-PCs. It apparently has a "smart battery," and I cannot figure out how to detect the thing. It apparently charges, because I can run it off the battery, but acpi nor upower recognize a supported device. I have fiddled around with loading different modules etcs, with no luck. Seems there may be a patch to fix the issue <https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115191> ,
[01:27] <alleyviper> but doesnt that require a custom kernel? (something I am a bit hesitant about from an upgrading afterwards standpoint). Any other tips or tricks to get the OS to detect the battery?
[01:27] <alleyviper> ooops, guessing I shouldnt past URLs?
[01:34] <skeletonkey> anyone know who to talk to about what apps are in the software boutique?
[01:40] <bdragons1> kyou should probably try one of the social media outlets like twitter or facebook.
[01:41] <bdragons1> There's also https://ubuntu-mate.community/
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> skeletonkey: If you open it you'll find out
[01:42] <skeletonkey> SonikkuAmerica: is not the chatroom part of the community?
[01:43] <bdragons1> skeletonkey: try the second one first though.  Social media will probably get help, but the community is usually looking to jump on things first.
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Um...
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> that's not the case at all
[01:44] <SonikkuAmerica> and as a social media team member, I'll not be having the pages clogged with support questions, bdragons1
[01:44] <SonikkuAmerica> skeletonkey: Yes, the chat room is part of the community.
[01:45] <bdragons1> SonikkuAmerica: I meant that he should go to the community site first for questions.
[01:45] <bdragons1> not the other way around.  sorry if that came about wrong.
[01:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Um, we take support questions in either place
[01:45] <SonikkuAmerica> (here or at .community(
[01:46] <skeletonkey> I am just curious how the apps in the boutique or decided upon or if there is a place to offer suggestions
[01:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you have a suggestion?
[01:47] <SonikkuAmerica> I can forward stuff along
[01:48] <skeletonkey> Vocal...I know it's "designed" for Elementary but it's still a good app...also "theme" related section might be nice for new users
[01:54] <alleyviper> what's the etiquette on reposting a question? Ok after say, 20 minutes?
[01:55] <nomic> in irc?
[01:55] <nomic> you may get more feedback immediately from forums
[01:55] <nomic> ubuntu mate forum
[01:55] <nomic> there is no etiquette
[01:56] <nomic> just ask
[01:57] <alleyviper> k. i'll just repost once, and then go to the forums if no feedback
[01:58] <alleyviper> I have one of these Kangaroo mini-PCs. It apparently has a "smart battery," and I cannot figure out how to detect the thing. It apparently charges, because I can run it off the battery, but acpi nor upower recognize a supported device. I have fiddled around with loading different modules etcs, with no luck. Seems there may be a patch to fix the issue, but doesnt that require a custom kernel? (something I am a bit hesitant
[01:58] <alleyviper> about from an upgrading afterwards standpoint). Any other tips or tricks to get the OS to detect the battery?
[02:10] <nomic> you can use windows driveres with 'ndiswrapper'
[02:10] <nomic> if recognised in windows
[02:10] <nomic> alleyviper
[02:11] <alleyviper> thank you
[02:11] <alleyviper> i am reading up on ndiswrapper now
[02:21] <alleyviper> nomic, ndiswrapper is only for wireless drivers?
[02:47] <nomic> its for windows drivers
[02:47] <nomic> so if you have something driven in windows -- you can use the driver on linux by 'wrapping it' (ndiswrapper)
[02:48] <nomic> not sure if its only for wirelss
[02:48] <alleyviper> ok, the gui front-end made it a bit confusing "Windows Wireless Driver,"
[02:48] <nomic> pretty sure its for all driver
[02:48] <alleyviper> ill look into command line options
[02:48] <nomic> sNDISwrapper is a free software driver wrapper that enables the use of Windows XP network device drivers (for devices such as PCI cards, USB modems, and routers) on Linux operating systems.
[02:49] <alleyviper> trial and error ;)
[02:49] <nomic> ubuntu forums (not just mate) .. is very busy
[02:49] <nomic> busier than here
[02:49] <nomic> #ubuntu is busier than here
[02:49] <nomic> ub is debian -- all is #ubuntu
[02:49] <nomic> or you could ask in debian -- yours is a low level problem
[02:50] <nomic> hardware
[02:50] <nomic> posting mssges on forums is efficient -- you just leavfe them - to to sleep - well explained, expanded thread, other people work on your problem
[02:50] <alleyviper> thanks for some direction. ill head over that way after fiddling with ndiswrapper for a bit
[02:51] <nomic> use ndiswrapper if you have iddentified your hardware driver  on windows
[02:51] <nomic> havfe never configured/used it before (no problems)
[04:25] <mate|26977> Greetings, People. Just wondering if there is any means to download the complete Ubuntu Mate source code. Any hints, please ?
[06:34] <MonDragon> Hi I am installing MATE 16.04LTS on an older 2009 Acer Aspire..... it has a 64bit processor celeron SU2300, but only 1GB of RAM, should I install the 32 bit  version or am I safe with the 64bit one?
[06:37] <MonDragon> anyone?
[06:39] <SuperEngineer> MonDragon: I don't know for certain, have you checked the UbuntuMATE homepage etc for their recommendation?
[06:39] <SuperEngineer> [ https://ubuntu-mate.org/ ]
[06:40] <MonDragon> yes it says 64bit for 3GB RAM or over or with x64 processor, the processor is x64
[06:40] <MonDragon> but the ram is less than 3
[06:40] <SuperEngineer> hang on a mo - I remeber something in news feeds  last week.... I'll look
[06:41] <MonDragon> so I'm confused.... generally if the processor can handle 64bit words it should run faster
[06:45] <MonDragon> thanks
[06:46] <SuperEngineer> ...but if your 1GB RAM ain't enough....
[06:47] <MonDragon> yep, but why would the RAM make a difference? it's the processors that computer
[06:47] <MonDragon> compute...
[06:48] <SuperEngineer> MonDragon: https://bryanquigley.com/memory-usage/ubuntu-16-04-livecd-memory-usage-compared
[06:49] <SuperEngineer> ...and btw, you're wrong about only processor being important ;-)
[06:51] <SuperEngineer> seems 64bit will fit... but expect your swap area to well used for applications :D
[06:55] <SuperEngineer> So 64bit it is [IMHO]
[06:56] <MonDragon> ok:) I'll give it a try..... I can always install the other version after a test if not coping
[06:56] <SuperEngineer> greed.  good luck.
[06:56] <SuperEngineer> *agreed
[06:57] <MonDragon> thanks for the help, I might change to MATE myself
[06:57] <SuperEngineer> :)
[06:57] <MonDragon> I'm using GNOME 3.20 but sometimes its irritating
[06:58] <MonDragon> cheers guys
[07:08] <mate_m8> anyone awake?
[07:09] <SuperEngineer> no
[07:09] <mate_m8> oh well
[07:09] <SuperEngineer> :)
[07:10] <mate_m8> well i was just curious, the software updater tool, seems suspicious
[07:10] <mate_m8> it says it wants gnome facebook intergration
[07:10] <mate_m8> for 16.04 LTS upgrade
[07:10] <mate_m8> so i canceled it
[07:10]  * mate_m8 shrugs
[07:12]  * SuperEngineer doesn't know but suspects mate_m8 did right
[07:13] <mate_m8> plus it wants to trash my yacy app
[07:13] <mate_m8> :<
[07:18] <MonDragon> Hi, I'm back..... so many language packs are downloading during the installation..... I only need English
[07:18] <mate_m8> https://a.uguu.se/RVBX8vOFFxEi.png , https://a.uguu.se/MBrBXUGPbMvo.png , https://a.uguu.se/y12N5f4Kipu0.png
[07:19] <mate_m8> :<
[07:19] <mate_m8> see it wants to trash yacy, gimp, brasero, etc
[07:19] <mate_m8> and replace with facebook, google, flickr
[07:19] <mate_m8> if i put the ubuntu mate iso on flash drive, is it possible to do an inplace upgrade from that
[07:19] <mate_m8> would it change anything?
[07:19] <dominique_> Hello all !
[07:20] <mate_m8> also cheese
[07:20] <alkisg> mate_m8: no, it wouldn't upgrade, and even if it could, it wouldn't change anything...
[07:20] <mate_m8> guvcview is fine
[07:20] <alkisg> mate_m8: are you upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04?
[07:20] <mate_m8> uh 15.10
[07:20] <alkisg> And which desktop environments do you have installed?
[07:21] <dominique_> Upgrades now works much better than before !
[07:21] <dominique_> now work
[07:21] <mate_m8> https://a.uguu.se/zqVrYpajN30G.png
[07:22] <mate_m8> if i can just move up to 1.14 or 1.12
[07:22] <mate_m8> that would be fine too
[07:22] <mate_m8> most of my reasons to upgrade are because the DE
[07:22] <alkisg> mate_m8:  ls /usr/share/xsessions/
[07:22] <alkisg> What's the output of that command?
[07:23] <mate_m8> mate.desktop
[07:23] <mate_m8> ofc
[07:23] <alkisg> OK, because you might have had another 5 desktop environments installed
[07:23] <mate_m8> no i've done that before
[07:23] <mate_m8> it's hell on earth
[07:23] <alkisg> Well then go on with the upgrade, assuming it does work the second time,
[07:23] <alkisg> because when I once tried to cancel it, the sources.list was left pointing to 16.04, and it couldn't run a second time without manual editing of sources.list
[07:24] <mate_m8> i think my laptop started with lubuntu and then installed the mate DE or maybe it was cinnamon
[07:24] <mate_m8> regardless it had duplicate apps from 2 DEs
[07:24] <mate_m8> it's a mess
[07:24] <mate_m8> but this desktop is just clean from 15.10
[07:24] <mate_m8> alkisg: ah well the wizard thing seems to undo changes when told to cancel
[07:28] <mate_m8> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATE_(software)#Releases_history
[07:29] <mate_m8> just moving the DE to 1.12 or 1.14
[07:29] <mate_m8> would be fine
[07:29] <mate_m8> any guides?
[07:30] <alkisg> mate_m8: it's better to just upgrade the distro version, than just upgrade the  de from some ppa
[07:31] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/mate-desktop
[07:31] <alkisg> wily=1.10.2-1, xenial=1.12.1-1
[07:32] <mate_m8> i was worried about that
[07:32] <mate_m8> no reason it would be stuck at 1.10 otherwise
[07:33] <mate_m8> alkisg: i can't even find the PPA, https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/mate-1-14-built-against-gtk2-will-come-to-a-ppa-for-16-04/6409
[07:33] <mate_m8> the dev is saying that's a step up from 1.12 anyway
[07:34] <mate_m8> so i'm back to square one, best method?
[07:36] <mate_m8> i might as well wait for 16.10
[07:36] <mate_m8> but that repo page you just linked
[07:36] <mate_m8> eh i should sleep on it
[07:37] <alkisg> mate_m8: you can't upgrade to 16.10
[07:37] <alkisg> without first going through 16.04
[07:37] <alkisg> and 16.04 is lts
[07:37] <alkisg> so your solution is to just press "yes, upgrade" to the upgrader
[07:38] <alkisg> Why do you think there's a problem there?
[07:38] <mate_m8> it says 'facebook' and it was to trash many of my fav apps
[07:38] <mate_m8> i guess i could just make a list
[07:38] <mate_m8> to re-install
[07:39] <mate_m8> it's not even apps from private ppas
[07:39] <alkisg> packages.ubuntu.com/account-plugin-facebook
[07:39] <alkisg> That's a normal plugin, it doesn't mean that you have to use it
[07:39] <alkisg> It's not a reason to be alarmed...
[07:39] <mate_m8> yeah that one
[07:39] <alkisg> Which apps does it remove?
[07:40] <mate_m8> oh ok. well i'm sure i have facebook cookies on my browser anyway
[07:40] <mate_m8> well gimp and brasero
[07:40] <mate_m8> no longer supported
[07:40] <alkisg> brasero is no longer supported, yes, but gimp? how so?
[07:40] <alkisg> Do you have it installed from some ppa?
[07:41] <alkisg> apt-cache policy gimp
[07:41] <mate_m8> i swear canonical is turning into embrace, extend and extinguish
[07:41] <alkisg> So far you didn't show any proof of malfunction
[07:41] <mate_m8> i doubt it the ppa locking is expected for an upgrade
[07:41] <alkisg> It's just complains without substance so far
[07:42] <alkisg> What's the output of `apt-cache policy gimp`?
[07:42] <mate_m8> hold on
[07:42] <alkisg> Also, mate has nothing to do with canonical
[07:42] <mate_m8> https://ghostbin.com/paste/e8rvz
[07:43] <alkisg> You have the correct stock version
[07:43] <alkisg> do-release-upgrade shouldn't prompt to remove it
[07:43] <mate_m8> yeah mate-desktop.com --> ubuntu-mate.org <-- ubuntu.org
[07:43] <alkisg> If it prompts to do that, it's a bug that should be reported
[07:43] <mate_m8> it's not in the remove list
[07:43] <alkisg> (10:39:54 πμ) alkisg: Which apps does it remove?
[07:43] <alkisg> (10:40:25 πμ) mate_m8: well gimp and brasero
[07:43] <mate_m8> https://a.uguu.se/y12N5f4Kipu0.png
[07:44] <alkisg> What was I supposed to understand from that?!
[07:44] <mate_m8> https://a.uguu.se/MBrBXUGPbMvo.png
[07:44] <mate_m8> see
[07:44] <mate_m8> well what's the deal with support
[07:44] <mate_m8> these are popular apps
[07:44] <alkisg> That's "no longer supported", which is fine
[07:44] <alkisg> This means it's supported by the community
[07:44] <alkisg> As it always was
[07:44] <mate_m8> yeah that's how it's always been
[07:44] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gimp
[07:45] <mate_m8> but it does want to remove yacy
[07:45] <alkisg> See the new tag "universe" there
[07:45] <mate_m8> i hardly even run it but i don't want it gone
[07:45] <alkisg> It's just more clear to the users now that it's not supported by canonical
[07:45] <alkisg> So, again, so far no malfunction at all
[07:45] <alkisg> What else?
[07:46] <mate_m8> https://ghostbin.com/paste/e8rvz ... just one obscure app
[07:46] <alkisg> You installed that manually, yourself, from debian.yacy.net
[07:47] <alkisg> There's no guarantee at all that this will work in xenial, that it will not break the upgrade etc
[07:47] <alkisg> It's not in the ubuntu repositories
[07:47] <mate_m8> it seems related to java
[07:47] <mate_m8> yep
[07:47] <mate_m8> it's my list
[07:47] <alkisg> So the upgrader protects you by removing both the app and the repository
[07:47] <mate_m8> ok well just that ppa
[07:47] <mate_m8> well there ya go i'm not worried anymore
[07:47] <alkisg> So again, not only "no malfunction at all", it even protects you
[07:48] <alkisg> :)
[07:48] <alkisg> Nice :)
[07:48]  * mate_m8 wipes brow
[07:48] <mate_m8> i know i'm not always 'freenode' material
[07:48] <mate_m8> but you guys sure know ur stuff
[07:48] <alkisg> Just go on and press "yup upgrade my system" :)
[07:48] <mate_m8> u sure i should use the gui?
[07:48] <alkisg> Oh well persons you find in irc is not something that can be categorized
[07:49] <alkisg> You find someone today, he's not here again tomorrow, etc
[07:49] <mate_m8> people on freenode seem to have better manners than rizon but that's a huge generalization
[07:49] <mate_m8> imo ofc
[07:49] <alkisg> Personally I prefer the console, but sure the GUI should work too
[07:50] <mate_m8> > sudo apt-get update && time sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:50] <mate_m8> yes?
[07:50] <mate_m8> >time ?
[07:50] <mate_m8> opps
[07:51] <mate_m8> http://askubuntu.com/a/226213 <-- some sloppy typing
[07:51] <mate_m8> time really shouldn't be there
[07:51] <mate_m8> yeah i'll just run those two i guess
[07:51] <mate_m8> > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:51] <alkisg> dist-upgrade means "upgrade my 15.10 system with the newest software available in 15.10"
[07:52] <alkisg> It's a good thing to do, but it doesn't upgrade to 16.04
[07:52] <alkisg> So run:
[07:52] <alkisg> sudo -i
[07:52] <mate_m8> i know was a trick to it
[07:52] <alkisg> apt update; apt --yes dist-upgrade; do-release-upgrade
[07:52] <alkisg> The command you were looking for was "do-release-upgrade"
[07:52] <mate_m8> looks ok
[07:52] <mate_m8> people say not to run code from strangers but it looks fine to me
[07:53] <mate_m8> you need a hex function for 'rm -rf /'
[07:53] <mate_m8> le obviscated code
[07:53] <mate_m8> it's running
[07:53] <mate_m8> fun
[07:54] <mate_m8> yeah i tired distro-upgrade
[07:54] <mate_m8> but that was no good so i when looking
[07:55] <mate_m8> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/apt-get-upgrade-vs-apt-get-dist-upgrade/632/3
[07:55] <mate_m8> wew
[07:56] <mate_m8> opps
[07:56] <mate_m8> i'll just run it again
[07:56] <mate_m8> i think the gui wizards scare me
[07:56] <mate_m8> from the old days of windows NT
[07:56] <mate_m8> ah wow it ran it in screen
[07:56] <mate_m8> is that sudo -i vs sudo -s ?
[07:57] <mate_m8> i guess not
[07:57] <mate_m8> i must run screen itself
[07:57]  * mate_m8 yawns
[07:58] <mate_m8> so any news about replacing X11?
[07:59] <mate_m8> *it must run screen itself
[08:04] <mate_m8> >gnuradio
[08:04] <mate_m8> why do i even bother
[08:05] <mate_m8> the SDR device sits on the shelf for months at a time
[08:08] <mate_m8> all these bloated apps to remove later
[08:08] <mate_m8> it's not like my hdd space is being used for anything else
[08:20] <mate_m8> why doesn't ubuntu have pc-speaker tone play while apt-get is running
[08:20] <mate_m8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73tGe3JE5IU
[08:20] <mate_m8> chiptune version of that
[08:21] <mate_m8> this needs to be put into the dev pipeline
[08:21] <mate_m8> it's high priority UX
[08:22] <mate_m8> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTyN-vvFIkE
[08:23] <mate_m8> shuttleworth himself can implement it
[08:24] <mate_m8> really has nothing to do with hdd spin, ram, bus and i/o
[08:24] <mate_m8> it's all about the UX really
[08:25] <mate_m8> oh i just remember it's sunday..
[08:25] <mate_m8> new sillycon valley esp.
[08:25] <alkisg> mate_m8: this is a support channel, spamming it with random thoughts just discourages people that want to help
[08:25] <mate_m8> has anyone else joined recently?
[08:25] <mate_m8> i'm still watching apt-get print lines..
[08:25] <alkisg> So even if you are anonymous and noone will know if you come back tomorrow with another name and ask for help, note that you may not find persons willing to help if you spam a lot...
[08:26] <alkisg> Right, watch it without random comments here :)
[08:26] <mate_m8> ok m8
[08:26] <alkisg> When you need support, ask
[08:26] <alkisg> And good luck with the upgrade :)
[08:26] <mate_m8> i'll sure i'll be back after le reboot to replace apps in ram
[08:33] <mate_m8> well x froze for a moment there but the march of newline continues, heh. surely you would know my writing style even if was here tomorrow, why even use a new name
[08:33] <mate_m8> mate_m8 is pretty clever imo
[08:34] <mate_m8> ##linux has 2200 users
[08:34] <mate_m8> ##ubuntu 1800
[08:35] <mate_m8> ??
[08:35] <mate_m8> ubottu
[08:35] <mate_m8> ubottu: cat /dev/random
[08:36] <mate_m8> >Sorry, I don't know anything about cat /dev/random
[08:36] <mate_m8> :<
[08:37] <mate_m8> http://bellard.org/jslinux/
[08:37] <alkisg> What I meant wasn't if I'll be able to know your writing style or not... it was if *I*'ll be here tomorrow, if this ends up a spam channel :)
[08:38] <mate_m8> wow
[08:38] <mate_m8> i don't think i'm not prolific
[08:38] <mate_m8> this machine is new-ish
[08:39] <mate_m8> cat /dev/urandom works nicely on that JS linux
[08:39] <mate_m8> it doesn't break the tty though
[08:39] <mate_m8> very nice still
[08:40] <mate_m8> >progress 65%
[08:40] <mate_m8> the end is near!
[08:41] <mate_m8> i can't wait for systemd init to post red errors on the reboot
[08:42] <mate_m8> if 16.04 isn't so bad i might even install it on the laptop
[08:42] <mate_m8> but i won't need help with that.
[08:43] <mate_m8> >32bit lubuntu 15.10 reskinned to mate 1.10
[08:43] <mate_m8> i need to purge the whole thing
[08:43] <mate_m8> the cpu supports 64 bit
[08:45] <mate_m8> oh close one. almost modified my grub file
[08:45] <mate_m8> how will the tty work otherwise
[08:45] <mate_m8> they got patched somewhere
[08:46] <mate_m8> >85%
[08:47] <mate_m8> i should probly set up UEFI boot sometime too
[08:47] <mate_m8> ugh
[08:51] <mate_m8> >95%
[08:56] <mate_m8> brb
[08:56] <mate_m8> maybe not, alkisg left
[09:18] <mate_m8> ah well my buddy left
[09:19] <mate_m8> just fyi the upgrade broke x, as expected. removed fglrx and able to run it. will now re-install amd drivers again, assuming they even do any good
[09:20] <mate_m8> otherwise the usually seamless gnu/linux experience, oh and systemd isn't as verbose as before will need tweaking ofc
[09:20] <mate_m8> mate 1.12.1 success
[09:20] <mate_m8> animated welcome screen
[09:21] <mate_m8> not as fun imo
[09:21] <mate_m8> anyway back to terminal
[09:21] <mate_m8> that's all for tonight
[09:26] <mate_m8> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/amd-ati-owners-read-this-before-upgrading-to-16-04/4286
[09:27] <mate_m8> lol
[09:30] <mate_m8> http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDGPU-PRO-Beta-Driver-for-Vulkan-Release-Notes.aspx
[09:30] <mate_m8> there we go
[09:32] <mate_m8> didn't run on 15.10, let's try 16.04
[09:40] <TheMarius> seriosly
[09:40] <TheMarius> for linux, theres only amdgpu drivers now
[09:40] <TheMarius> for ati cards
[09:40] <TheMarius> forget fglxr
[09:41] <TheMarius> bit sad cause lots of games i cant run on my old 5870 card but hopefully amd will sort it out later this summer.. its all i need for linux atm
[09:41] <TheMarius> until big news happens reg gaming
[09:41] <TheMarius> on the linux platform
[09:42] <TheMarius> around when battlefield 8 with VR is the norm i guess
[09:42] <TheMarius> BUT
[09:42] <TheMarius> in all honesty
[09:43] <TheMarius> i dont care as long as i have the PS4
[09:43] <TheMarius> this is for work.. my tab for fun.. and ps4 for gaming (fun)
[09:43] <TheMarius> steam miss some $ in games i could buy for the linux platform though as long as the drivers suck
[09:48] <gordonjcp> TheMarius: or you could buy an NVidia card
[09:48] <gordonjcp> they've always had excellent support
[09:49] <TheMarius> as i said, got the ps4 ... not important but a bit sad
[09:49] <TheMarius> 5870 is too good to ditch
[09:49] <TheMarius> still up there performance wise with $200 nvidia cards
[09:50] <TheMarius> and if i recall, thats what i paid for it when it was new, 6-7 years ago
[09:50] <TheMarius> i hope amd gets it sorted out
[09:53] <TheMarius> theres quite a few games on steam i hope gets ported over to linux.. planetside 2 would be nice ... it looks battlefield 4-ish
[09:55] <TheMarius> war thunder is probably among the best ones ported to linux .. but wont run :/
[10:23] <TheMarius> gordonjcp, http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-HD-5870-vs-GeForce-GTX-670 <-- just look at this test
[15:48] <mate|29326> hello guys!
[15:50] <mate|29326> I have mac book and yesterday i remove OS software for my mac, and put ubuntu 16.04!
[15:50] <mate|29326> everything ok working,but no wireless conection!
[15:50] <mate|29326> can you help me?
[15:55] <randall> which version of macbook?
[16:01] <Akuli> if he hadn't quit i would have recommended googling for any drivers, or buying a usb wifi adapter if none are available
[16:02] <SuperEngineer> [I would have recommended he got a "don't quit"]  ;-)
[16:06] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: Martin, I'm thinking of saving you some trouble and trying to upload https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-settings/+bug/1574789 myself, if I have the necessary upload rights, should I try to do that?
[16:07] <randall> yeah, sometimes a usb dongle is your best bet
[16:12] <olegb> I have a problem with Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and the RPI3. I have hdmi_drive=2 in /boot/config.txt, but there is only a analog audio output in Sound settings > Hardware / Output. Audio work but is extremely "jerky" and "studders". Any pointer to get audio work ?
[16:12] <olegb> s/work/working
[16:13] <mate|9717> is 2009 m mac // memory 1,7 Gib// Processor intel core 2duo 2,4 ghz x2
[16:13] <mate|9717> and the wifi is unable!
[16:14] <mate|9717> version 16.04
[16:14] <Akuli> mate|9717, have you checked for available drivers or googled?
[16:14] <mate|9717> everything works good!
[16:14] <mate|9717> only wifi doesnt work
[16:14] <Akuli> yes, have you checked for available drivers or googled?
[16:14] <mate|9717> i try but i dont find
[16:14] <mate|9717> dou you have link?
[16:15] <mate|9717> thank you
[16:15] <mate|9717> :)
[16:15] <Akuli> Don't go away just yet
[16:15] <mate|9717> ok
[16:15] <mate|9717> :)
[16:15] <Akuli> run this on a terminal: lspci | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:16] <mate|9717> ok
[16:16] <Akuli> It'll give you a link, paste that link here.
[16:16] <flexiondotorg> alkisg The X11 zapping fix is in Yakkety. It is the Xenial SRU that needs progressing.
[16:17] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: yup, understood, do I have upload rights for xenial-proposed?
[16:17] <flexiondotorg> I'm on holiday right now, so can't do anything about it. If you can help things along, please do :-)
[16:17] <alkisg> (*if* you want me to try that... if you want to do it yourself later on, there's no hurry at all from my side)
[16:18] <alkisg> Akuli: thanks for the `| nc termbin.com 9999` hint, really helpful :)
[16:18] <Akuli> right :)
[16:18] <Akuli> directly from termbin.com
[16:18] <flexiondotorg> No idea if you have upload rights. I have updated the SRU with a .2 version and uploaded it.
[16:19] <flexiondotorg> Need to go...
[16:20] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: thanks, have fun! :)
[16:22] <Akuli> mate|9717, have you found this so far? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[16:22] <Akuli> mate|9717, also, what did terminal say when you ran that command?
[16:24] <ouroumov> ubottu, why's your log stopped at 16.02 PM ? é_è
[16:25] <alkisg> ouroumov: the logs get committed to the disk every few hours...
[16:26] <mate|9717> i need to restard in 2 minutes i m back! thank you
[16:26] <ouroumov> alkisg, oh, ok
[16:30] <mate|1979> hello i m back guys
[16:30] <Akuli> mate|1979, can you run the command on the terminal?
[16:30] <Akuli> lspci | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:31] <mate|1979> yes! one moment plz
[16:34] <mate|1979> write me under this : http://termbin.com/015j4
[16:39] <ouroumov> what's that? a steambox?
[16:41] <mate|1979> hmm i dont know
[16:41] <mate|1979> i remove the OS and i dont know if i fix it the wifi at ubuntu
[16:42] <mate|1979> first time*
[16:43] <mate|1979> i write terminal! sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name
[16:44] <mate|1979> results ->
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:00.0 Host bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Host Bridge (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:00.1 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Memory Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.0 ISA bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 LPC Bridge (rev b2)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.1 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Memory Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.2 SMBus: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 SMBus (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.3 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Memory Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.4 RAM memory: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Memory Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:03.5 Co-processor: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Co-processor (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:04.0 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:04.1 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:06.0 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 OHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev b1)
[16:44] <mate|1979> 00:06.1 USB controller: NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller (rev b1)
[16:45] <ouroumov> Paste multiple output lines on pastebin :)
[16:45] <mate|1979> ??
[16:46] <Akuli> dpaste.com
[16:46] <Akuli> people don't like pasting it all here :)
[16:46] <mate|1979> ok man
[16:46] <mate|1979> no prob
[16:46] <Akuli> :)
[16:47] <mate|1979> first time with ubuntu
[16:47] <mate|1979> and now\??
[16:47] <Akuli> What did lspci do=
[16:48] <Akuli> you can use dpaste for that one, just paste it all there, click "Paste it" and give us the link to the page you end up in.
[16:48] <mate|1979> perfect
[16:51] <Akuli> he started pm'ing me the output from lspci with args it's not supposed to get
[16:52] <Akuli> so basically the full help message :D
[16:55] <ritas_> hi can somebody help me with app clamtk?
[16:56] <Akuli> ritas_, yes. don't use it.
[16:56] <Akuli> :D
[16:56] <Akuli> Seriously though, you don't need antivirus on linux
[16:56] <Akuli> Ever
[16:57] <mate|79660> no such file or directory
[16:57] <ritas_> but i scan threats
[16:57] <Akuli> but you dont do that in linux
[16:57] <ritas_> why
[16:57] <Akuli> no
[16:57] <Akuli> linux no windows
[16:57] <Akuli> no virus linux
[16:58] <ritas_> but i use it and find 8 posible threats
[16:58]  * Akuli tries to be simple
[16:58] <ouroumov> hm
[16:58] <Akuli> ritas_, they're possible threats not viruses
[16:58] <Akuli> possible, says clamav
[16:58] <ritas_> so im secure?
[16:59] <Akuli> ritas_, where would you have gotten a virus?
[16:59] <ritas_> all so i fine atrojan
[16:59] <Akuli> they don't come theirselves, where did you get it?
[16:59] <Akuli> if you got one
[16:59] <ouroumov> I can't see the point of an antivirus on linux. I can see the point of a virus detector on linux though. After all, once you know hostile code has been running on your puter, why go on when you should just perform a clean reinstall?
[17:00] <Akuli> ouroumov, let me ask that for you too, where would you find a linux virus?
[17:00] <Akuli> and how would it get on your computer?
[17:00] <ritas_> i d ont now
[17:00] <Akuli> ritas_, then you don't need antivirus
[17:00] <ouroumov> On any website giving shell command to type in to fix a problem?
[17:01] <Akuli> ouroumov, if you found that with google you can pretty much trust it
[17:01] <ritas_> i have 1-2 apps from dowloading
[17:01] <Akuli> people don't usually say that, but google is pretty restrictive
[17:01] <Akuli> ritas_, which apps are they?
[17:01] <Akuli> ouroumov, your web browser is not a problem either as long as you don't use flash
[17:02] <ritas_> master pdf editor 3 and clibgrab
[17:02] <Akuli> did you download them from the official websites?
[17:03] <ritas_> i found i web site with terminal sug
[17:06] <ritas_> bye thanks for your time man
[17:55] <maksym> hi
[17:58] <skeletonkey> hello maksym
[17:58] <alkisg> You scared him :D
[17:58] <ouroumov> he fled
[17:59] <skeletonkey> fair enough...hey alkisg and ouroumov
[17:59]  * alkisg waves
[17:59] <ouroumov> \o
[20:09] <JensNDS> i love mate
[20:10] <JensNDS> but ubuntu is bad :)
[20:47] <gordonjcp> JensNDS: why are you using it then, and what's bad about it?
[20:48] <JensNDS> gordonjcp: why not?
[20:52] <emiellr> Hi guys
[20:54] <emiellr> Can anyone help me?
[20:55] <festerB> emiellr: wy not state your problem first? ;)
[20:55] <festerB> ^^why
[20:55] <emiellr> I was just testing because im typing from my ipad haha
[20:56] <emiellr> Ok here it comes
[20:56] <emiellr> I recently installed ubuntu mate on my laptop, because i wanted to go with linux for once, but wifi didnt work
[20:57] <emiellr> Now, i installed the driver for lwfinger, but it gets removed everytime i install an update
[20:57] <emiellr> Which gets a bit annnoying after a while
[20:58] <emiellr> Oh btw its a realtek wifi module
[20:58] <gordonjcp> how are you installing them?
[20:58] <emiellr> Ok let me get the instructions
[20:58] <emiellr> I sec
[20:59] <emiellr> https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7#TOC-Realtek-RTL8723BU-chipset-0bda:b720-
[20:59] <emiellr> I have the rtl8723BU chipset as the link says
[21:00] <emiellr> And i watched a video on youtube about it, which follows this guide
[21:01] <emiellr> http://askubuntu.com/questions/717685/realtek-wifi-card-rtl8723be-not-working-properly/
[21:01] <emiellr> I havent tried thatine
[21:01] <festerB> emiellr: got any network related errors in /var/log/syslog?
[21:01] <emiellr> But that driver doesnt work for my module anyway
[21:02] <emiellr> festerB: sorry i dont have my laptop on me right now
[21:02] <gordonjcp> emiellr: I can't even read that first link, it's an unreadable jumble
[21:03] <gordonjcp> CSS gone mad!
[21:03] <emiellr> In the 2nd guide modprobe is mentioned. Will that help me keeping the driver installed?
[21:04] <gordonjcp> emiellr: basically if you're installing from source - ie not from a package - then whenever you update the kernel it will be overwritten
[21:04] <gordonjcp> you want to either install from a proper PPA
[21:04] <emiellr> gordonjcp google realtek linux and first link is it
[21:04] <gordonjcp> or you could pin the kernel version and just skip kernel updates
[21:04] <emiellr> gordonjcp: lwfinger is the onlcy
[21:04] <emiellr> One
[21:04] <emiellr> Im not up for kernel updates
[21:05] <emiellr> Pinning*
[21:05] <emiellr> Can i not keep it installed?
[21:05] <emiellr> Keep it for
[21:05] <emiellr> From being overwritten*
[21:06] <gordonjcp> only by pinning the kernel
[21:06] <emiellr> This keyboard is annoying to type on sorry. I keel hitting send when i want to backspace
[21:06] <gordonjcp> when you install a new kernel, the old drivers will be overwritten
[21:06] <emiellr> And what about the second link?
[21:06] <emiellr> Same story?
[21:06] <gordonjcp> eh, don't worry about it, it's getting a bit out in this part of the garden to see
[21:07] <gordonjcp> emiellr: however you do it, unless you install from an actual package it'll be overwritten by the kernel package
[21:07] <emiellr> Damn
[21:07] <gordonjcp> the "make install" part will copy files over the ones provided by the package
[21:07] <gordonjcp> the package manager has no idea that this has happened
[21:07] <emiellr> So sudo apt-get wont be overwritten, but make install will be
[21:08] <emiellr> Ill check if i can get it to install via a package
[21:08] <festerB> emiellr: gordonjcp's link looks very good, google "realtek linux" and you get http://www.realtek.com/DOWNLOADS/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[21:08] <emiellr> Yeah i sent it
[21:09] <emiellr> But it gets removed every time i do an update of some sort
[21:09] <emiellr> Oh wait thats another one
[21:10] <emiellr> gordonjcp: so a download from that link is a package that wont be removed?
[21:10] <gordonjcp> I didn't post a download link
[21:11] <gordonjcp> emiellr: you could try it
[21:12] <emiellr> My wifi module isnt lid
[21:12] <emiellr> Listed
[21:13] <emiellr> And btw i tried kernel pinning, but it still removes the driver
[21:14] <gordonjcp> bin the Realtek shite and buy a proper wifi card?
[21:14] <gordonjcp> :-D
[21:15] <emiellr> Haha  yeah maybe that will do the job just fine
[21:15] <emiellr> Btw if i open up my laptop my warranty voids
[21:15] <emiellr> And i kinds need my warranty
[21:15] <emiellr> Kinda
[21:16] <gordonjcp> hmmm
[21:16] <gordonjcp> I wonder if there's some sort of post-update hook
[21:16] <gordonjcp> you could make it reinstall the drivers after dist-upgrade runs
[21:17] <emiellr> Well i think i will use a wifi stick for m
[21:17] <emiellr> Now
[21:18] <emiellr> And when my warranty runs out i will swap my wifi card
[21:18] <festerB> emiellr: this looks just silly long but if all else fails? https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7
[21:18] <gordonjcp> emiellr: I've taken the wifi card out of one of my laptops and replaced it with a mini-PCIe 4G card
[21:19] <emiellr> Guys thanks for your help
[21:19] <emiellr> gordonjcp: link?
[21:19] <emiellr> festerB: that was my first try at getting it to work
[21:20] <emiellr> It got removed after every update i performed
[21:20] <emiellr> But i gtg
[21:20] <emiellr> Thanks for your help
[22:09] <victor_> ok
[22:10] <victor_> can anyone give me advice on how to get wifi drivers for MEI_ME on ubuntu-mate?
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> MEI_ME?
[22:38] <human> what
[22:38] <human> is going on
[22:39] <Guest67965> what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:40] <Guest67965> this is dum