[05:54] <Kilos> morning inetpro theblazehen et al
[05:54] <theblazehen> Morning Kilos 
[06:07] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:08] <mazal> Môre oom
[06:08] <theblazehen> hey mazal
[06:21] <mazal> Hi theblazehen
[06:27] <Cryterion> morning everyone
[06:28] <mazal> Morning Cryterion
[06:33] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[06:52] <chesedo> morning Kilos theblazehen mazal Cryterion and others
[06:52] <theblazehen> hey chesedo
[06:53] <mazal> Hi chesedo
[07:07] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[07:07] <Kilos> sheep dosing time
[07:07] <Kilos> wbb
[07:07] <Kilos> Maaz watch them
[07:07] <Maaz> OK Kilos I'll keep an eye on them for you
[08:23] <gremble> Good morning
[08:28] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[08:30] <gremble> How are you this morning Kilos?
[08:30] <Kilos> im well ty gremble and you?
[08:30] <gremble> I am well thank you. At home studying today. I am writing a sick test tonight that I missed last week monday
[08:31] <Kilos> study hard
[08:32] <gremble> Thanks :P
[11:08] <mazal> New week , new bugs
[11:22] <mazal> Seems everyone has either a blue Monday or red one
[11:25] <gremble> What is a red monday?
[11:26] <Kilos> lol
[11:26] <mazal> blue = busy , red = babbelas
[11:27] <mazal> Then you get one that's both , purple :P
[11:27] <Kilos> self inflicted surreing
[11:27] <mazal> In my case , is a blue one
[11:28] <mazal> Kilos, what's surreing ?
[11:33] <gremble> suffering, I presume
[11:39] <mazal> inetpro, here we go , that Dolphin error is back: http://picpaste.com/dolphin_error-7PaFGrZB.jpeg , that happens when I try and copy a folder from HDD to memory stick
[11:40] <Kilos> oh ya sorry
[11:40] <paddatrapper> Kilos: Managed to get ibid running on 14.04. Just needed some slight modifications
[11:40] <Kilos> wow cool paddatrapper 
[11:40] <paddatrapper> Think I'm not going to bother with a fixing google, rather just move it straight to DDG
[11:40] <paddatrapper> s/a fixing/fixing
[11:40] <Kilos> what is DDG
[11:41] <paddatrapper> DuckDuckGo
[11:41] <Kilos> ah cool
[11:41] <Kilos> that would be good
[11:41] <Kilos> ddg happiness
[11:41] <Kilos> instead of google happiness
[11:41] <paddatrapper> Seems like you need to configure a proper API key and stuff for Google now
[11:42] <Kilos> no caps man
[11:42] <gremble> no caps?
[11:43] <Kilos> ys telling the bot to DDG something is an extra key to use
[11:43] <gremble> Lol
[11:43] <Kilos> much better to just say bot ddg whatever
[11:44] <gremble> that is the usual command for bots that use ddg
[11:44] <gremble> To just go `.ddg things and doo-daas`
[11:45] <paddatrapper> For sure, caps are a pain
[11:45] <Kilos> w00000t
[11:46] <Kilos> caps are for secretaries and book writers to use
[11:46] <gremble> H0w3v3r 1f 1t 2933ks 733t, 1t'2 f1n3?
[11:46] <gremble> Wow that was difficult.
[11:46] <paddatrapper> EEEEK!!!!
[11:46] <gremble> I should not put this much effort into jokes
[11:46] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:47] <paddatrapper> lol
[12:20] <gremble> Is anyone here fluent in German? :o
[12:20] <Kilos> inetpro 
[12:20] <Kilos> hi Researcher- wlcome to ubuntu-za
[12:21] <Kilos> gremble what do you need to know?
[12:22] <gremble> Nothing, I have a german dictionary if I need to know something. Just thought it would be nice to find someone that I can talk with :P
[12:23] <mazal> Kilos, alert !!! I be going to town this afternoon :P
[12:23] <mazal> Prepare the scolding so long :)
[12:23] <Kilos> lol
[12:24] <Kilos> no game buying
[12:24] <mazal> uhm...5 on the list
[12:24] <mazal> In my defense , they are all oldies
[12:24] <Kilos> nono
[12:24] <mazal> So probably won't find half of them
[12:24] <Kilos> you have enough
[12:24] <mazal> issie
[12:25] <mazal> I don't have these 5
[12:25] <Kilos> too many in fact
[12:25] <Kilos> and updates eat too much data
[12:25] <mazal> The collection isn't complete
[12:25] <Kilos> so what
[12:25] <mazal> There's big gaping annoying holes
[12:25] <Kilos> i used to collect wilbur smith books, but i cant take them with me
[12:29] <gremble> Do  you know when you are leaving Kilos?
[12:30] <Kilos> nope gremble why?
[12:30] <Kilos> could still be months
[12:31] <gremble> What is holding it up?
[12:32] <Kilos> the aus security peeps taking time to get to my clearance
[12:32] <Kilos> last time i applied thay took a year
[12:47] <gremble> Oh wow
[12:47] <Kilos> they scared to let me in the fools
[12:47] <Kilos> im old now they all safe
[16:23] <inetpro> guten morgen
[16:23] <inetpro> oh and hi oom Kilos et al
[16:24] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[16:25] <inetpro> Maaz: tell mazal you might want to register a bug with that dolphin case of yours... looks like something to do the special characters in the filename
[16:25] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[17:00] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:22] <Kilos> come on summer come on
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz seen superfly 
[17:22] <Maaz> Kilos: superfly was last seen 5 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes and 29 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-05-25 07:17:29 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-05-22 22:31:15 PDT
[17:52]  * Kilos waits for feedback from gremble
[17:54] <Kilos> theblazehen why you been so quiet today
[17:59] <theblazehen> Hey Kilos. Busy
[17:59] <Kilos> busy is good
[17:59] <theblazehen> Yeah
[18:43] <gremble> Kilos, Feedback about what?
[18:43] <Kilos> the exam man
[18:43] <Kilos> you wrote tonight right?
[18:44] <gremble> It wasnt an exam. It was a semester test. It went somewhat poorly.
[18:44] <Kilos> whyyyy
[18:47] <gremble> Mostly because I think that I cannot actually do mathematics.
[18:47] <Kilos> hly smokes
[18:47] <Kilos> holy as well
[18:47] <Kilos> just a bit more serious work needed thats all
[18:48] <Kilos> especially in whatever area todays test was
[18:58] <Kilos> dont feel bad gremble , these little things are sent to test us, and make us work harder
[19:02] <gremble> Thanks Kilos 
[19:11] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <kulelu88> yo gremble 
[19:25] <kulelu88> hows exams?
[19:25] <kulelu88> how are you?
[19:29] <gremble> Hey kulelu88 
[19:29] <gremble> Exams haven't started yet
[19:30] <gremble> I am well thanks and yourself?
[19:30] <kulelu88> I'm good mate
[19:30] <kulelu88> looks like you had a shitty semester test
[19:30] <kulelu88> sorry about that
[19:31] <gremble> Thanks.
[19:31] <gremble> You finished up that todo app?
[19:33] <kulelu88> it's on the back-burner for now. It is functional but I need to use a different editable option. For now though, I am making due with a .txt document. Do you know any simple file-syncing software? like really bare
[19:33] <gremble> Dropbox or google drive is all I know
[19:34] <kulelu88> aah well something a little more localhosty :D 
[19:34] <kulelu88> I could do it with python simpleHTTPserver, but mehh, lots of work involved
[19:35] <gremble> OwnCloud, but I am reasonably sure that that is more work.
[19:36] <kulelu88> yeah, it's bloatware for 1 .txt file
[19:41] <gremble> Small notebook then...
[19:46] <kulelu88> you ever wrote Elixir code? it looks like a cool language. I'm learning it 
[20:09] <theblazehen> :(
[20:09] <theblazehen> disk 3/4 failed..
[20:09] <theblazehen> Never buying seagate again
[20:10]  * theblazehen is gonna buy some WDs, put them in a raid and copy my data off the remaining seagate
[20:10] <theblazehen> All failed within a month
[20:12] <gremble> That is pretty lame. Sorry theblazehen 
[20:12] <gremble> kulelu88, I have read some about it, but I haven't coded in it
[20:12] <gremble> It is built on top of haskell iirc
[20:12] <gremble> I like haskell very much
[20:12] <kulelu88> Erlang
[20:13] <gremble> Ah
[20:13] <theblazehen> Oh, and the android 6 rom for my phone is great, except I can't get modem working. Back to 5 :(
[20:13] <theblazehen> Hope the modem works there
[20:15] <kulelu88> you guys know the commands to clear the cache for apt? is it: apt-cache clean?
[20:16] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Should be
[20:17] <theblazehen> try man apt
[20:17] <gremble> http://askubuntu.com/questions/285691/is-it-possible-to-clean-the-apt-cache-from-the-command-line
[20:17] <gremble> says it is > sudo apt-get clean
[20:17] <theblazehen> rm works too ;)
[20:17] <kulelu88> my dockerfile from old says: sudo apt-get -y autoremove && \  sudo apt-get clean
[20:19] <kulelu88> on that note of virtualization, it looks like I'm running out of space on my HDD 0.o
[20:19] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Have you tried lxd?
[20:20] <kulelu88> theblazehen: I'm still not sure i understand how the 2 are different. what does LXD help me with?
[20:20] <theblazehen> Also, have you checkout out HAMMERFS from the DragonflyBSD peeps? I need to try that. I'm thinking that as a NAS perhaps, with network attached storage
[20:20] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Just easier administration, you can also (not sure if live) migrate between hosts etc
[20:20] <gremble> NAS, with NAS? :P
[20:21] <kulelu88> theblazehen: but the containers will still be the same size right?
[20:21] <theblazehen> gremble: I should read what I type before I hit enter..
[20:21] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yes. It uses standard lxc containers, just a new management interface basically
[20:23] <kulelu88> theblazehen: does it make orchestration easier?
[20:23] <kulelu88> can I copy things from 1 container to the other quicker?
[20:24] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Basically yes
[20:24] <theblazehen> You can do copy host:container:/tmp/file host2:container2:/tmp/filexyz for example I think
[20:24] <kulelu88> theblazehen: I was actually going to write a small application to make updating containers easier, but you say that LXD makes it easier?
[20:25] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Yeah. And they have a REST api too
[20:25] <theblazehen> Yay. Phone raido working again
[20:26] <kulelu88> theblazehen: can you show me a working example of copying files from 1 container to the other? Let's say you use an ubuntu image and create container 1 and container 2. Now copy a file over from container 1 /var/lib/ to container 2 
[20:26] <theblazehen> kulelu88: I could, like 5 hours ago :(
[20:27] <kulelu88> theblazehen: what happens to my LXC containers if I install LXD?
[20:28] <theblazehen> But lxc file pull container/var/lib/file container2/var/lib/file should work
[20:28] <paddatrapper> kulelu88: try rsync or bit torrent sync. I don't know how to use them, but I do know they are intended for syncing files across multiple machines 
[20:28] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Nothing
[20:28] <theblazehen> git-annex might be worth looking at too @paddatrapper
[20:29] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: sounds interesting... Never heard of it before 
[20:30] <kulelu88> I can tell all you okes are under 30. All the older guys are fast asleep
[20:31] <kulelu88> hulle het kinders dat moet skool toe gaan op 7AM
[20:31] <theblazehen> Heh. /me needs to get to sleep soon
[20:31]  * theblazehen needs to be up at 5
[20:31]  * theblazehen still hasn't gotten work done tonight :(
[20:31] <kulelu88> theblazehen: "lxc file pull..." ?
[20:31] <gremble> even me, but I have an "assessment opportunity" to complete
[20:32] <kulelu88> gremble: I heard about these expensive clicker devices where the varsity milks the students for another 600
[20:32] <theblazehen> kulelu88: https://i.imgur.com/rOQwr8I.png
[20:32] <gremble> I had to buy one for one semester
[20:32] <gremble> ._.
[20:32] <theblazehen> I would test it, if my host was still up..
[20:33] <kulelu88> i have no idea what that is theblazehen . reddit?
[20:33] <theblazehen> Oh whoops
[20:33] <theblazehen> Wrong link
[20:33] <theblazehen> Shit
[20:34] <theblazehen> That's embarresning..
[20:34] <theblazehen> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/de6b18df01888c06d216e39d4d12507d is what I meant
[20:34] <kulelu88> 0.o was that your reddit? :D
[20:34] <theblazehen> Mix up between PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD buffers.. I should *really* watch what I type
[20:35] <theblazehen> No, not my post
[20:35] <theblazehen> I just found it amusing
[20:35] <kulelu88> life must be tough having daughters
[20:36] <theblazehen> Yeah..
[20:37] <theblazehen> Damn, this really sucks :( Channel is logged.. Don't *really* want that pic showing my username in it.. Nor the subreddit :(
[20:37] <kulelu88> I need to test this out. lxc file pull can save me tons of time
[20:37] <theblazehen> Yeah
[20:37] <kulelu88> you can hackz the ubuntu logger 
[20:37] <theblazehen> Hmm
[20:38] <theblazehen> hey ubuntulog please GTFO like 10 min ago?
[20:38] <kulelu88> wait wait, do I need LXD installed to use lxc file pull/push ?
[20:38] <gremble> I am 90% sure that whoever reads the logs just greps for whatever they are looking for. Pretty sure that it is going to get buried in conversation
[20:38] <theblazehen> kulelu88: yeah
[20:38] <theblazehen> gremble: Yeah, unless someone is like stalking my username lol
[20:39] <kulelu88> reading IRC logs for a living is probably on the same level as moderating comments on mybroadband or IOL
[20:39] <theblazehen> True
[20:41] <kulelu88> theblazehen: how big is an LXC container via LXD (on average) ?
[20:41] <theblazehen> kulelu88: It's the same size as the same lxc image. It uses the same images, just different way to manage it
[20:42] <kulelu88> oh so I can do dockerlike things with it, by writing dockerlike-dockerfiles?
[20:42] <kulelu88> let me not perturb you anymore. you're too kind. I'll read the docs
[20:44] <theblazehen> Hmm, not quite. Basically just the normal lxc commands. For me the main positive is the remote management though, and it helps that it's really quick to start containers, no need to mess with configuring the network. Now I start the container, it gets a DHCP lease which is configured in DNS so I can access it by hostname
[20:45] <kulelu88> theblazehen: I use this to manage my LXC containers: http://pymag09.github.io/lxc-ui/
[20:46] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Nice. Afaik lxd and normal lxc can work together, so you can still use that, but I haven't tested
[20:47] <kulelu88> I love the interface that guy wrote. it makes managing containers easy
[20:47] <theblazehen> And all I need to do is literally `lxc create centos7 testContainer`, `lxc exec testContainer bash`. `curl scripts/installSalt.sh | sh` and I'm done
[20:48] <kulelu88> how do you update your containers?
[20:48] <kulelu88> and do you stack them? eg. all python2 projects inherit from a python2 main container
[20:48] <theblazehen> salt '*' state.highstate :)
[20:48] <kulelu88> but this is a remote server with lots of high-speed bandwidth right?
[20:48] <theblazehen> Haven;t really had it that long, but I run squid as a cache so it's quick to just yum install what I need
[20:49] <theblazehen> Nah, in my room here
[20:49] <theblazehen> But 100 mbit network for most packages
[20:49] <kulelu88> aah, you're caching somewhere else
[20:49] <theblazehen> Yeah, on my router in fact. pfSense is awesome
[20:50] <theblazehen> du -sh /var/squid/cache/
[20:50] <theblazehen>  42G	/var/squid/cache/
[20:50] <kulelu88> my plan was to push the cache across containers
[20:50] <theblazehen> Ah. Best to use a shared mount then, or a cache server
[20:50] <kulelu88> shared mount! I like that idea
[20:50] <theblazehen> You can create a cache container, then in yum.conf set http_proxy
[20:51] <theblazehen> Also works with apt then too
[20:51] <kulelu88> woops
[20:51] <kulelu88> ctrl + w
[20:51] <theblazehen> kulelu88: For arch I use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacserve
[20:52] <theblazehen> Yeah, my irc client also does ctrl-w
[20:52] <theblazehen> Did I part or just close the tab?
[20:52] <kulelu88> tab closed
[20:52] <theblazehen> cool
[20:52] <kulelu88> I wish I had context switching on linux. so when I move from 1 screen to the other, it doesn't close the wrong tab
[20:53] <theblazehen> Context switching being? Focus follows mouse?
[20:54] <kulelu88> something like that. 
[20:54] <theblazehen> What DE/WM do you use/
[20:54] <theblazehen> I have that with awesomewm
[20:54] <theblazehen> And pretty much every tiling wm
[20:54] <kulelu88> Xubuntu 14.04
[20:54] <theblazehen> Since it's the Xorg default
[20:55] <theblazehen> Ok, settings, xfwm or window manager settings
[20:55] <theblazehen> then change focus follows mouse
[20:56] <kulelu88> oh wow. lifesaver
[20:56] <kulelu88> thank you sir
[20:56] <theblazehen> Glad to help
[20:58] <theblazehen> I really need a service where I stream say a 10% resolution stream of my desktop, and then if I start wasting time the person watching tells me to do work
[20:58] <kulelu88> clearing the apt-cache is shrinking containers down by 200MB or so
[20:59] <theblazehen> kulelu88: Have you tried running btrfs?
[20:59] <kulelu88> btrfs? 
[21:00] <paddatrapper> theblazehen: How about an app that provides a mild electric shock?
[21:00] <theblazehen> File system, supports snapshots, deduplication, transparent compression
[21:00] <theblazehen> paddatrapper: Sure. But it would still need someone to watch to see if I waste time
[21:00] <theblazehen> kulelu88: https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Deduplication
[21:00] <kulelu88> theblazehen: will it require me to format my machine to use that filesystem?
[21:00] <theblazehen> You can convert from ext4
[21:01] <theblazehen> But you might need a reinstall to use snapshots. Not certain
[21:01] <kulelu88> sounds like overkill for my basic needs. Probably more useful on a server
[21:01] <theblazehen> Yeah
[21:01] <theblazehen> But don't run a DB on it
[21:04] <theblazehen> Oh wow. /me really needs to get to bed
[21:05] <theblazehen> tomorrow is gonna suck
[21:05] <theblazehen> As is the rest of the week really. 
[21:05]  * theblazehen needs my sleep
[21:19] <theblazehen> Night all
[21:21] <theblazehen> I just planned on going to bed. Why did I just open 43 reddit tabs?
[21:21] <theblazehen> https://i.imgur.com/kWjSk9K.png
[21:25] <kulelu88> theblazehen: to bind mount from the host to the container, do I need to run the mount command from the container?
[21:25] <theblazehen> kulelu88: From the host
[21:25] <theblazehen> mount --bind /host/path /var/lib/lxc/or/whatever/the/path/is/container/path
[21:26] <theblazehen> On lxd you can define volumes AFAIK, kind of like how docker does it
[21:26] <kulelu88> I just did that, but it doesn't work: sudo mount --bind /home/hostuser/lxcfolder/project1/ /var/lib/lxc/container1/rootfs/home/user1/folder1
[21:26] <theblazehen> then you can have the same volume in multiple containers
[21:26] <theblazehen> Any error?
[21:26] <kulelu88> nope, nothing
[21:27] <theblazehen> Does /var/lib/lxc/container1/rootfs/home/user1/folder1 exist?
[21:27] <theblazehen> Needs to exist. I'm off to bed, if you don't get it right I'll help you out tomorrow. Night
[21:28] <kulelu88> shot. take care
[21:32] <kulelu88> I needed to restart the container :/