| trebmuh | FYI, I'm currently working on getting SSR (simple screen recorder) into debian | 13:08 |
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| trebmuh | https://mentors.debian.net/package/simplescreenrecorder | 13:08 |
| trebmuh | if you want to have a look to it | 13:08 |
| zequence | Cool. Yes, we were looking at some alternatives earlier | 13:09 |
| zequence | We are going to change this cycle | 13:09 |
| zequence | We chose vokoscreen out of the current options in the repo | 13:10 |
| trebmuh | does it have JACK-audio ? | 13:15 |
| trebmuh | I though it was only ALSA or pulse, isn't ? | 13:15 |
| zequence | trebmuh: pulse only, yes. But, since we have the PA bridge, you can always use it with jack | 13:19 |
| zequence | A bit technical though, since it involves a lot of connection logic | 13:19 |
| trebmuh | yes | 13:19 |
| trebmuh | this is one the whys I'm using SSR : JACK-able screencast recorder | 13:19 |
| trebmuh | It does look that vokoscreen is targeted to DV camera and stuffs | 13:20 |
| trebmuh | so it does look to me that the purposes of the 2 are not the same | 13:20 |
| trebmuh | anyway, my incursion here was just to let you guys aware about this | 13:20 |
| trebmuh | feel free to test it if you want :) | 13:21 |
| trebmuh | one thing I like with SSR is it's pretty straight : the configuration wizard is pretty straightforward : clic, put the name of the output file, clic, select audio engine, clic, select vidéo and audio codecs, press Ctrl + R, do your stuff, press "save record", done | 13:21 |
| zequence | trebmuh: As soon as it is in the repo we should consider discuss adding it. You think it'll be in within the next 2-3 months? | 13:24 |
| trebmuh | hopefully, it's will be quicker that that :) | 13:25 |
| zequence | Debian import freeze is about 2 months before each release, so late Augus | 13:25 |
| trebmuh | the package is in a good state : it builds on unstable and I tested it on an debian unstable system as well. Works fine. I just have to look at a configure option and my "mentor" will do the job of uploading afterward (if I get correctly the packaging processs for debian since this is my first attempt to package for the *official* repo) | 13:27 |
| trebmuh | will let you know when it's done | 13:27 |
| zequence | Should be no problem as long as the licenses are ok, and it builds | 13:28 |
| trebmuh | yes the d/copyright is fine and lintian doesn't complain on it (anymore) | 13:28 |
| sakrecoer | i'm rendring a video tutorial i just made with vokoscreen. really cool app. will try ssr sometime | 13:30 |
| sakrecoer | speaking of which, zequence: weren't there some firewire controls in ubuntustudio-controls before? | 13:31 |
| sakrecoer | i can control my DV-cam with dvgrab... but it is no longer detected as a webcam in 16.04 | 13:32 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: The firewire side was just to add you to the "video" user group, which was used for firewire at the time | 13:32 |
| zequence | These days, there are udev rules for devices | 13:32 |
| zequence | ..which means, you don't need to be in a group in order for the system to pass those through to users | 13:32 |
| sakrecoer | yeah, dvgrab can run it out of the box... | 13:33 |
| sakrecoer | but it used to be availble in webcam aware apps, even kdenlive... no more unfortunately.. | 13:33 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: A quick test is to run an app as root, and see if it recognizes your devices | 13:33 |
| sakrecoer | oh! right!!! nice! | 13:33 |
| sakrecoer | no luck... | 13:34 |
| zequence | So, a kernel problem of some kind | 13:34 |
| zequence | Perhaps an additional kernel package needs to be installed? | 13:34 |
| zequence | ..or, it is a regression with the driver of some kind | 13:34 |
| sakrecoer | had no luck websearching... | 13:34 |
| zequence | I'm not on Ubuntu, but try looking for addition firmware or other similar linux packages in the repo | 13:35 |
| zequence | Could be something was split off | 13:35 |
| zequence | And, if all else fails, report a bug | 13:36 |
| sakrecoer | addition firmware...? how do i do that? | 13:36 |
| zequence | apt-cache search firmware, or apt-cache search linux | 13:37 |
| sakrecoer | thanks! | 13:37 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Do you have other firewire devices on that system that works? | 13:37 |
| sakrecoer | yes. the audio card | 13:38 |
| sakrecoer | and the camera works with dvgrab | 13:38 |
| sakrecoer | its just not detected as a.. well... webcam? | 13:38 |
| zequence | Ah, ok, now I understand. I was as usual not reading it well | 13:39 |
| zequence | I can't advice much, as I have very little experience with Cameras. Probably not very specific to Ubuntu though, more so to the kernel version | 13:41 |
| zequence | You could, if you want, try an older kernel on that system | 13:41 |
| sakrecoer | well.. i foud a workarround :D | 13:41 |
| sakrecoer | i use dvgrab in paralel to vokoscreen, with a dirty manual trick to synch :D | 13:42 |
| sakrecoer | all because of my vanity "i need to be visible in this tutorial" :D | 13:42 |
| zequence | Ah, I use another application with an evil MS webcam, and vokoscreen. | 13:42 |
| zequence | Been working on a similar setup. | 13:43 |
| sakrecoer | i did it like this: i set vokoscreen to record "window", then i pick the window i want, once vokoscreen is recording, i minimize the screen. since the camera also shows a bit of the screen, i synch that minimzation | 13:44 |
| sakrecoer | ... in the video editor... | 13:44 |
| zequence | I will be using audio cues | 13:45 |
| zequence | Since what I do is mostly about audio | 13:45 |
| sakrecoer | ok! cool! i did it on blender VSE.. | 13:45 |
| sakrecoer | which reminds me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Tutorials/ | 13:45 |
| zequence | I will probably need to use something else than Openshot when I edit. Haven't got to that point yet | 13:45 |
| sakrecoer | to draft the tutorial :) | 13:45 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: I would put that in the help wiki instead | 13:46 |
| sakrecoer | we don't have editing priviliedge there yet... | 13:47 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Meaning https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Tutorials | 13:47 |
| sakrecoer | but i plan to copy it there once it is finished. the wiki part... | 13:47 |
| sakrecoer | https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28610 | 13:48 |
| zequence | wiki.ubuntu.com is only used for either development or sysadmin stuff, while help.ubuntu.com is better for how to's | 13:48 |
| zequence | I mean, user how to's | 13:48 |
| sakrecoer | well, that link i just gave you is for developing tutorials :) | 13:48 |
| sakrecoer | once they are writen, the idea is to copy them to help.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio... but atm we can't edit help.ubuntu | 13:49 |
| zequence | wiki.ubuntu.com is not a staging site though, so would be better to not publish it anywhere until it is finished | 13:50 |
| zequence | A how to on how to make tutorials would be best kept in wiki.ubuntu.com | 13:50 |
| zequence | But, not the tutorial itself | 13:50 |
| sakrecoer | yeah, well again: we can't edit help.ubuntu atm, so... also, is it preferable to have half finished wiki pages on the user wiki? | 13:51 |
| sakrecoer | i don't think so. but i might be wrong | 13:51 |
| zequence | Thing is, you can't delete pages on wiki.ubuntu.com | 13:52 |
| zequence | And, it's not meant to be a staging site for help.ubuntu.com | 13:52 |
| sakrecoer | can you delete pages on help.ubuntu.com? | 13:52 |
| zequence | No | 13:52 |
| sakrecoer | ok... | 13:52 |
| zequence | YOu can rename them | 13:52 |
| sakrecoer | well... i can delete pages on wiki.ubuntu.com | 13:53 |
| zequence | hmm, maybe. Haven't seen that before, actually | 13:53 |
| sakrecoer | yup, it worked :) | 13:54 |
| sakrecoer | in the "more action" scroll own menu... | 13:54 |
| sakrecoer | *down | 13:54 |
| zequence | Yes, I know where it is. Not sure it was there before. Going to check help.ubuntu.com | 13:55 |
| zequence | Even as a Ubuntu member, I don't seem to have edit rights there | 13:55 |
| sakrecoer | :( | 13:56 |
| zequence | It might be better though to not use wiki.ubuntu.com as a staging site, as those pages will show in google searches quite quickly, and if a page is not ready it will just look weird | 13:57 |
| zequence | That said, there are plenty of pages we have in the wiki that should be deleted or fixed | 13:58 |
| zequence | Either they are outdated, or just false | 13:58 |
| sakrecoer | so were do we stage wikipages? | 13:58 |
| zequence | Wherever you want. A text file in your HD, or some text in an email, or if you collaborate - you need to share it somehow | 13:59 |
| sakrecoer | ok, that isn't stageing a wiki... at best, when inserting images, i would have to use libreoffice, rendering the work doubled... | 14:00 |
| sakrecoer | i guess the best is to write it directly in help.ubuntu... | 14:00 |
| sakrecoer | but its locked atm, so i think it is fine right now | 14:00 |
| zequence | Well, yes, when you do the actual formatting | 14:00 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: You should apply for Ubuntu membership already, I think. | 14:03 |
| zequence | You've been involved for enough time, and there's really no reason why you shouldn't be accepted at this point | 14:04 |
| sakrecoer | :) i began writing my wiki-page.. | 14:04 |
| sakrecoer | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetHallstrom | 14:04 |
| sakrecoer | if you want to add a testimoial ... i'd be very <3 | 14:04 |
| zequence | Not sure if it is actually needed for anything, other than editing the wiki, now that I think about it | 14:05 |
| zequence | But, it's a sign of trust in some way | 14:05 |
| zequence | Actually, I'm trying to logout and login to the help wiki, but no luck. It's stuck | 14:06 |
| zequence | I remember when I started workin on the both wikis. I had the greates respect for how things were set up | 14:07 |
| zequence | ..until I realized there was no order | 14:07 |
| zequence | So, I was being very free in how I organized things | 14:08 |
| zequence | Took me quite some time to realize the structure that is now present, not that I was working on it night and day - more in short focused bursts | 14:09 |
| zequence | the help wiki has a funny cache thing to it. You need to do a cold refresh on your web reader in order to see new changes | 14:10 |
| zequence | Still no editing rights | 14:10 |
| sakrecoer | :( | 14:17 |
| sakrecoer | video is rendered, but the audio got terrible... interstingly, you can bounce just the audio from blender :) | 14:17 |
| sakrecoer | what do you think? is this useable or just a confusing fragle? http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/blenderVSEtut_ubuntustudio.mp4 | 17:12 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Didn't realize you spoke English with a French accent :) | 17:14 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: Seems like a nice introduction. The basic stuff | 17:17 |
| zequence | Just the kind of thing I will be doing as well, at first | 17:17 |
| zequence | How to start jack, how to select your device, how to just get your engine up and running | 17:17 |
| zequence | So, I won't be mixing the basic stuff with more focused stuff | 17:18 |
| zequence | The basic stuff will be very short, and very informational | 17:18 |
| sakrecoer | :) sounds like a good plan! | 17:19 |
| zequence | It might be better to split things into to small parts. Just 2 min each witht he basic things | 17:20 |
| zequence | The kind of stuff you google, you know | 17:20 |
| zequence | But, when you do actual work, and it is about the experience of that, then it's more interesting to follow the whole thing, the vibe so to speak | 17:20 |
| sakrecoer | yeah, might have merged 2 parts in there. a) setting blender up, b) basic editing | 17:20 |
| zequence | At the same time, I could do just 1-5 min about how to compress something | 17:20 |
| zequence | Right | 17:21 |
| zequence | Hard to resist being informational | 17:21 |
| sakrecoer | good catch tho, it would be easy to divide it, since i actualy did a real cut... | 17:22 |
| sakrecoer | at arround 05:55 | 17:23 |
| zequence | As an example, Oóne video could just be about how to set the audio for blender. | 17:24 |
| zequence | Cool spelling. Quite unintentional | 17:24 |
| sakrecoer | :D | 17:24 |
| zequence | And, that don't need to be more than 10 sec | 17:24 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: In youtube you would have playlists to categorize the videos by what they are about | 17:27 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: In archive.org, maybe that is not as important. We just do it in our own site | 17:28 |
| sakrecoer | yeah, that would be a good idea i reckon :) | 17:28 |
| sakrecoer | yes :) | 17:28 |
| zequence | So, you have a category, but it is split into as many videos as you want. Each time you want to add a new detail, just make a new video | 17:28 |
| zequence | Of course, doesn't mean all videos should be 15 sec long. Some actually need to be a bit longer :) | 17:29 |
| zequence | Does help people find the exact thing that they want to learn though | 17:29 |
| zequence | If you think about it, it's quite clear where the boundaries for the human mind are with these things. Yet, hard to use that insight in practice at all times | 17:30 |
| sakrecoer | hmm... odd... the video quality gets pretty bad at the end... wonder why that is... | 17:31 |
| sakrecoer | oh, yes... its kindof difficult to get things simple and straight forward... | 17:31 |
| sakrecoer | i mean, in practice :D | 17:32 |
| zequence | Harder than one would believe | 17:32 |
| sakrecoer | yes for sure. at some point i had to stop thinking too much and just... do it. otherwise i would have been reshooting everything endlessly :D | 17:33 |
| zequence | sakrecoer: You do it very well. There's a nice flow to it | 17:35 |
| sakrecoer | thank you :) glad to read that! | 17:39 |
| sakrecoer | i will cut it in 2 tho, and i have to investigate the decreasing video quality... | 17:40 |
| sakrecoer | autumna: how do i reset the wacom script? for some reason, the button on the pen is now the enter key-- | 21:02 |
| sakrecoer | hmm... maybe it always was like that... the buttons work like expected in krita, gimp and blender... | 21:03 |
| sakrecoer | autumna: maybe of interest? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16850264/ | 21:17 |
| sakrecoer | i get the feeling i need to replace Head-0 with the name of my displays... | 21:17 |
| sakrecoer | tried with this, but no luck...http://paste.ubuntu.com/16851905/ | 22:21 |
| sakrecoer | my screens are of different resolutions... | 22:22 |
| sakrecoer | and followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656089 | 22:22 |
| sakrecoer | ok, if i use "." instead of "," things gets better :D | 23:00 |
| sakrecoer | i can enter the values manualy like this xinput --set-prop "Wacom Graphire Pen stylus" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix" 0.333333 0 0 0 0.948148 0 0 0 1 | 23:00 |
| sakrecoer | but using the scripts will simply not affect xinput for some reason... | 23:01 |
| sakrecoer | the matrix above hehe nope... this does work: xinput set-prop "Wacom Graphire Pen stylus" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix" 0.666666 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 | 23:31 |
| sakrecoer | (for me that is) | 23:31 |
| sakrecoer | so i did this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16853652/ but no success... i'm sure ti will become obvious tomorrow! :D thanks for making me dig into this, its super fun! | 23:33 |
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