[13:08] <trebmuh> FYI, I'm currently working on getting SSR (simple screen recorder) into debian
[13:08] <trebmuh> https://mentors.debian.net/package/simplescreenrecorder
[13:08] <trebmuh> if you want to have a look to it
[13:09] <zequence> Cool. Yes, we were looking at some alternatives earlier
[13:09] <zequence> We are going to change this cycle
[13:10] <zequence> We chose vokoscreen out of the current options in the repo
[13:15] <trebmuh> does it have JACK-audio ?
[13:15] <trebmuh> I though it was only ALSA or pulse, isn't ?
[13:19] <zequence> trebmuh: pulse only, yes. But, since we have the PA bridge, you can always use it with jack
[13:19] <zequence> A bit technical though, since it involves a lot of connection logic
[13:19] <trebmuh> yes
[13:19] <trebmuh> this is one the whys I'm using SSR : JACK-able screencast recorder
[13:20] <trebmuh> It does look that vokoscreen is targeted to DV camera and stuffs
[13:20] <trebmuh> so it does look to me that the purposes of the 2 are not the same
[13:20] <trebmuh> anyway, my incursion here was just to let you guys aware about this
[13:21] <trebmuh> feel free to test it if you want :)
[13:21] <trebmuh> one thing I like with SSR is it's pretty straight : the configuration wizard is pretty straightforward : clic, put the name of the output file, clic, select audio engine, clic, select vidéo and audio codecs, press Ctrl + R, do your stuff, press "save record", done
[13:24] <zequence> trebmuh: As soon as it is in the repo we should consider discuss adding it. You think it'll be in within the next 2-3 months?
[13:25] <trebmuh> hopefully, it's will be quicker that that :)
[13:25] <zequence> Debian import freeze is about 2 months before each release, so late Augus
[13:27] <trebmuh> the package is in a good state : it builds on unstable and I tested it on an debian unstable system as well. Works fine. I just have to look at a configure option and my "mentor" will do the job of uploading afterward (if I get correctly the packaging processs for debian since this is my first attempt to package for the *official* repo)
[13:27] <trebmuh> will let you know when it's done
[13:28] <zequence> Should be no problem as long as the licenses are ok, and it builds
[13:28] <trebmuh> yes the d/copyright is fine and lintian doesn't complain on it (anymore)
[13:30] <sakrecoer> i'm rendring a video tutorial i just made with vokoscreen. really cool app. will try ssr sometime
[13:31] <sakrecoer> speaking of which, zequence: weren't there some firewire controls in ubuntustudio-controls before?
[13:32] <sakrecoer> i can control my DV-cam with dvgrab... but it is no longer detected as a webcam in 16.04
[13:32] <zequence> sakrecoer: The firewire side was just to add you to the "video" user group, which was used for firewire at the time
[13:32] <zequence> These days, there are udev rules for devices
[13:32] <zequence> ..which means, you don't need to be in a group in order for the system to pass those through to users
[13:33] <sakrecoer> yeah, dvgrab can run it out of the box...
[13:33] <sakrecoer> but it used to be availble in webcam aware apps, even kdenlive... no more unfortunately..
[13:33] <zequence> sakrecoer: A quick test is to run an app as root, and see if it recognizes your devices
[13:33] <sakrecoer> oh! right!!! nice!
[13:34] <sakrecoer> no luck... 
[13:34] <zequence> So, a kernel problem of some kind
[13:34] <zequence> Perhaps an additional kernel package needs to be installed?
[13:34] <zequence> ..or, it is a regression with the driver of some kind
[13:34] <sakrecoer> had no luck websearching...
[13:35] <zequence> I'm not on Ubuntu, but try looking for addition firmware or other similar linux packages in the repo
[13:35] <zequence> Could be something was split off 
[13:36] <zequence> And, if all else fails, report a bug
[13:36] <sakrecoer> addition firmware...? how do i do that?
[13:37] <zequence> apt-cache search firmware, or apt-cache search linux
[13:37] <sakrecoer> thanks!
[13:37] <zequence> sakrecoer: Do you have other firewire devices on that system that works?
[13:38] <sakrecoer> yes. the audio card
[13:38] <sakrecoer> and the camera works with dvgrab
[13:38] <sakrecoer> its just not detected as a.. well... webcam?
[13:39] <zequence> Ah, ok, now I understand. I was as usual not reading it well
[13:41] <zequence> I can't advice much, as I have very little experience with Cameras. Probably not very specific to Ubuntu though, more so to the kernel version
[13:41] <zequence> You could, if you want, try an older kernel on that system
[13:41] <sakrecoer> well.. i foud a workarround :D
[13:42] <sakrecoer> i use dvgrab in paralel to vokoscreen, with a dirty manual trick to synch :D
[13:42] <sakrecoer> all because of my vanity "i need to be visible in this tutorial" :D
[13:42] <zequence> Ah, I use another application with an evil MS webcam, and vokoscreen.
[13:43] <zequence> Been working on a similar setup.
[13:44] <sakrecoer> i did it like this: i set vokoscreen to record "window", then i pick the window i want, once vokoscreen is recording, i minimize the screen. since the camera also shows a bit of the screen, i synch that minimzation
[13:44] <sakrecoer> ... in the video editor...
[13:45] <zequence> I will be using audio cues
[13:45] <zequence> Since what I do is mostly about audio
[13:45] <sakrecoer> ok! cool! i did it on blender VSE..
[13:45] <sakrecoer> which reminds me: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Tutorials/
[13:45] <zequence> I will probably need to use something else than Openshot when I edit. Haven't got to that point yet
[13:45] <sakrecoer> to draft the tutorial :)
[13:46] <zequence> sakrecoer: I would put that in the help wiki instead
[13:47] <sakrecoer> we don't have editing priviliedge there yet...
[13:47] <zequence> sakrecoer: Meaning https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Tutorials
[13:47] <sakrecoer> but i plan to copy it there once it is finished. the wiki part...
[13:48] <sakrecoer> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=28610
[13:48] <zequence> wiki.ubuntu.com is only used for either development or sysadmin stuff, while help.ubuntu.com is better for how to's
[13:48] <zequence> I mean, user how to's
[13:48] <sakrecoer> well, that link i just gave you is for developing tutorials :)
[13:49] <sakrecoer> once they are writen, the idea is to copy them to help.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio... but atm we can't edit help.ubuntu
[13:50] <zequence> wiki.ubuntu.com is not a staging site though, so would be better to not publish it anywhere until it is finished
[13:50] <zequence> A how to on how to make tutorials would be best kept in wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:50] <zequence> But, not the tutorial itself
[13:51] <sakrecoer> yeah, well again: we can't edit help.ubuntu atm, so... also, is it preferable to have half finished wiki pages on the user wiki?
[13:51] <sakrecoer> i don't think so. but i might be wrong
[13:52] <zequence> Thing is, you can't delete pages on wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:52] <zequence> And, it's not meant to be a staging site for help.ubuntu.com
[13:52] <sakrecoer> can you delete pages on help.ubuntu.com?
[13:52] <zequence> No
[13:52] <sakrecoer> ok...
[13:52] <zequence> YOu can rename them
[13:53] <sakrecoer> well... i can delete pages on wiki.ubuntu.com
[13:53] <zequence> hmm, maybe. Haven't seen that before, actually
[13:54] <sakrecoer> yup, it worked :)
[13:54] <sakrecoer> in the "more action" scroll own menu...
[13:54] <sakrecoer> *down
[13:55] <zequence> Yes, I know where it is. Not sure it was there before. Going to check help.ubuntu.com
[13:55] <zequence> Even as a Ubuntu member, I don't seem to have edit rights there
[13:56] <sakrecoer> :(
[13:57] <zequence> It might be better though to not use wiki.ubuntu.com as a staging site, as those pages will show in google searches quite quickly, and if a page is not ready it will just look weird
[13:58] <zequence> That said, there are plenty of pages we have in the wiki that should be deleted or fixed
[13:58] <zequence> Either they are outdated, or just false
[13:58] <sakrecoer> so were do we stage wikipages?
[13:59] <zequence> Wherever you want. A text file in your HD, or some text in an email, or if you collaborate - you need to share it somehow
[14:00] <sakrecoer> ok, that isn't stageing a wiki... at best, when inserting images, i would have to use libreoffice, rendering the work doubled...
[14:00] <sakrecoer> i guess the best is to write it directly in help.ubuntu...
[14:00] <sakrecoer> but its locked atm, so i think it is fine right now
[14:00] <zequence> Well, yes, when you do the actual formatting
[14:03] <zequence> sakrecoer: You should apply for Ubuntu membership already, I think.
[14:04] <zequence> You've been involved for enough time, and there's really no reason why you shouldn't be accepted at this point
[14:04] <sakrecoer> :) i began writing my wiki-page..
[14:04] <sakrecoer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetHallstrom
[14:04] <sakrecoer> if you want to add a testimoial ... i'd be very <3
[14:05] <zequence> Not sure if it is actually needed for anything, other than editing the wiki, now that I think about it
[14:05] <zequence> But, it's a sign of trust in some way
[14:06] <zequence> Actually, I'm trying to logout and login to the help wiki, but no luck. It's stuck
[14:07] <zequence> I remember when I started workin on the both wikis. I had the greates respect for how things were set up
[14:07] <zequence> ..until I realized there was no order
[14:08] <zequence> So, I was being very free in how I organized things
[14:09] <zequence> Took me quite some time to realize the structure that is now present, not that I was working on it night and day - more in short focused bursts
[14:10] <zequence> the help wiki has a funny cache thing to it. You need to do a cold refresh on your web reader in order to see new changes
[14:10] <zequence> Still no editing rights
[14:17] <sakrecoer> :(
[14:17] <sakrecoer> video is rendered, but the audio got terrible... interstingly, you can bounce just the audio from blender :)
[17:12] <sakrecoer> what do you think? is this useable or just a confusing fragle? http://sakrecoer.com/ubuntustudio/blenderVSEtut_ubuntustudio.mp4
[17:14] <zequence> sakrecoer: Didn't realize you spoke English with a French accent :)
[17:17] <zequence> sakrecoer: Seems like a nice introduction. The basic stuff
[17:17] <zequence> Just the kind of thing I will be doing as well, at first
[17:17] <zequence> How to start jack, how to select your device, how to just get your engine up and running
[17:18] <zequence> So, I won't be mixing the basic stuff with more focused stuff
[17:18] <zequence> The basic stuff will be very short, and very informational
[17:19] <sakrecoer> :) sounds like a good plan!
[17:20] <zequence> It might be better to split things into to small parts. Just 2 min each witht he basic things
[17:20] <zequence> The kind of stuff you google, you know
[17:20] <zequence> But, when you do actual work, and it is about the experience of that, then it's more interesting to follow the whole thing, the vibe so to speak
[17:20] <sakrecoer> yeah, might have merged 2 parts in there. a) setting blender up, b) basic editing
[17:20] <zequence> At the same time, I could do just 1-5 min about how to compress something
[17:21] <zequence> Right
[17:21] <zequence> Hard to resist being informational
[17:22] <sakrecoer> good catch tho, it would be easy to divide it, since i actualy did a real cut...
[17:23] <sakrecoer> at arround 05:55
[17:24] <zequence> As an example, Oóne video could just be about how to set the audio for blender.
[17:24] <zequence> Cool spelling. Quite unintentional
[17:24] <sakrecoer> :D
[17:24] <zequence> And, that don't need to be more than 10 sec
[17:27] <zequence> sakrecoer: In youtube you would have playlists to categorize the videos by what they are about
[17:28] <zequence> sakrecoer: In archive.org, maybe that is not as important. We just do it in our own site
[17:28] <sakrecoer> yeah, that would be a good idea i reckon :)
[17:28] <sakrecoer> yes :)
[17:28] <zequence> So, you have a category, but it is split into as many videos as you want. Each time you want to add a new detail, just make a new video
[17:29] <zequence> Of course, doesn't mean all videos should be 15 sec long. Some actually need to be a bit longer :)
[17:29] <zequence> Does help people find the exact thing that they want to learn though
[17:30] <zequence> If you think about it, it's quite clear where the boundaries for the human mind are with these things. Yet, hard to use that insight in practice at all times
[17:31] <sakrecoer> hmm... odd... the video quality gets pretty bad at the end... wonder why that is...
[17:31] <sakrecoer> oh, yes... its kindof difficult to get things simple and straight forward...
[17:32] <sakrecoer> i mean, in practice :D
[17:32] <zequence> Harder than one would believe
[17:33] <sakrecoer> yes for sure. at some point i had to stop thinking too much and just... do it. otherwise i would have been reshooting everything endlessly :D
[17:35] <zequence> sakrecoer: You do it very well. There's a nice flow to it
[17:39] <sakrecoer> thank you :) glad to read that!
[17:40] <sakrecoer> i will cut it in 2 tho, and i have to investigate the decreasing video quality...
[21:02] <sakrecoer> autumna: how do i reset the wacom script? for some reason, the button on the pen is now the enter key--
[21:03] <sakrecoer> hmm... maybe it always was like that... the buttons work like expected in krita, gimp and blender...
[21:17] <sakrecoer> autumna: maybe of interest? http://paste.ubuntu.com/16850264/
[21:17] <sakrecoer> i get the feeling i need to replace Head-0 with the name of my displays...
[22:21] <sakrecoer> tried with this, but no luck...http://paste.ubuntu.com/16851905/
[22:22] <sakrecoer> my screens are of different resolutions...
[22:22] <sakrecoer> and followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1656089
[23:00] <sakrecoer> ok, if i use "." instead of "," things gets better :D
[23:00] <sakrecoer> i can enter the values manualy like this xinput --set-prop "Wacom Graphire Pen stylus" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix" 0.333333 0 0 0 0.948148 0 0 0 1
[23:01] <sakrecoer> but using the scripts will simply not affect xinput for some reason...
[23:31] <sakrecoer> the matrix above hehe nope... this does work: xinput set-prop "Wacom Graphire Pen stylus" --type=float "Coordinate Transformation Matrix" 0.666666 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1
[23:31] <sakrecoer> (for me that is)
[23:33] <sakrecoer> so i did this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/16853652/ but no success... i'm sure ti will become obvious tomorrow! :D thanks for making me dig into this, its super fun!