| knome-web | hello hello! | 15:03 |
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| pleia2 | ochosi, bluesabre - included you on an email with sabdfl re: snaps | 15:05 |
| knome-web | meh, i should remember to send that council thing email today | 15:06 |
| knome-web | i'm already a week and more late | 15:06 |
| ochosi | pleia2: thanks, will take a look when i'm home from work! | 15:09 |
| ochosi | knome-web: yes, you really should... | 15:09 |
| ochosi | or i'll end up being XPL for another cycle, and I guess nobody wants that :) | 15:09 |
| pleia2 | lol | 15:09 |
| pleia2 | ochosi4xpl | 15:09 |
| pleia2 | ochosi jr for xpl? | 15:10 |
| pleia2 | maybe knome jr | 15:10 |
| knome-web | ochosi: but me? | 15:11 |
| knome-web | :P | 15:11 |
| ochosi | :) | 15:11 |
| ochosi | pleia2: thanks, i'll forward your support to ochosi jr ;) | 15:12 |
| pleia2 | :D | 15:12 |
| knome-web | and me to knome jr | 15:13 |
| bluesabre | pleia2: thanks | 16:46 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: ping | 16:46 |
| bluesabre | :) | 16:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: pong | 16:49 |
| ochosi | wat up? | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 16:57 |
| bluesabre | see the email pleia2 mentioned yet? | 16:57 |
| ochosi | not yet | 16:57 |
| ochosi | just came home | 16:57 |
| ochosi | prepping dinner now | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | k | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | I'll give you a chance to review it before bugging you (I think you're more familiar with xfce internals than myself) | 16:58 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok will do (sorry, gotta get back to dinner ;)) | 17:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok, now i've read up on it | 18:20 |
| ochosi | i'd say glib-dbus and gdbus, X11 signalling is all | 18:21 |
| ochosi | even xfconf relies on dbus, so there's nothing special i can think of | 18:22 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, that sounds right | 18:23 |
| ochosi | so yeah, x11 calls we'll have to get rid of anyway if we ever want to support wayland | 18:25 |
| ochosi | which leaves us basically with gdbus | 18:25 |
| ochosi | are you gonna reply or shall i? | 18:25 |
| bluesabre | Feel free to, I don't have anything to add to that... snaps work in xubuntu 16.04 | 18:28 |
| ochosi | hadn't tested them yet, but that's good to know (couldn't think of a reason why they wouldn't) | 18:35 |
| ochosi | it's mostly a packaging issue to make our stuff snappy | 18:36 |
| ochosi | and i guess that's the main part | 18:36 |
| ochosi | we probably don't have the manpower | 18:36 |
| ochosi | (wrt our reply) | 18:36 |
| ochosi | bbabl | 18:36 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: anyway, lemme know when you're around again so we can finalize our reply to mark | 20:44 |
| ochosi | (alternatively i can also just go ahead and write it on my own, as you wish) | 20:44 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: sorry about that, took an allergy-induced nap | 21:12 |
| ochosi | oh ouch | 21:12 |
| ochosi | sorry to hear | 21:12 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: np :) | 21:13 |
| ochosi | have you looked into snappy packaging? | 21:15 |
| ochosi | from how i understand the use-case, there's little benefit for us | 21:16 |
| ochosi | especially since it's not like we roll out so many updates during a cycle | 21:16 |
| ochosi | we likely benefit more from staying in sync with debian | 21:16 |
| bluesabre | That's generally the case, we don't really benefit from utilizing it ourselves | 21:17 |
| ochosi | (is my crude initial analysis) | 21:17 |
| bluesabre | it's a good one | 21:17 |
| bluesabre | I think the main thing that mark is interested in is regarding integration with xfce/xubuntu | 21:17 |
| ochosi | like what? an installer? | 21:18 |
| ochosi | we're already going with gnome-software and that is supposed to have integration | 21:18 |
| bluesabre | As I understand it, snappy-packaged apps use a wrapper script to get things like fontconfig and other environment variables in place so the app can integrate well | 21:18 |
| bluesabre | Xfce doesn't do anything particularly special and should not need additional config to integrate | 21:19 |
| ochosi | i guess so | 21:20 |
| bluesabre | https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/metadata/ | 21:20 |
| ochosi | Strong C/C++ experience, preferably with an open source project. | 21:20 |
| ochosi | whoops | 21:20 |
| * ochosi needs to get his mousepad under control | 21:21 | |
| bluesabre | lol | 21:21 |
| ochosi | left-click != middle-click | 21:21 |
| bluesabre | ochosi is hiring xfce developers... | 21:21 |
| ochosi | lol | 21:21 |
| ochosi | so i dunno, i guess to some extent it might depend a little on the actual application that is snapped | 21:26 |
| ochosi | but in general i don't see any blockers with snap packages so far | 21:26 |
| ochosi | from the docs it's easy to see though that this is in an early stage, i would assume that things will change quite a bit in the future | 21:27 |
| bluesabre | yup, early stage, but functional | 21:27 |
| ochosi | have you tried any snap package so far? | 21:28 |
| bluesabre | I installed the notes snap when it first showed up | 21:28 |
| bluesabre | mhall119 has been snapping things up https://plus.google.com/+MichaelHall119 | 21:28 |
| bluesabre | I've been watching other folks stay on top of it :D | 21:29 |
| bluesabre | notes app http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/sudo-snap-install-notes-app | 21:30 |
| bluesabre | telegram app http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/telegram-snap-package-ubuntu-16-04 | 21:30 |
| ochosi | the article on telegram highlights some shortcomings that sound nasty to overcome in a generic and desktop-agnostic way | 21:33 |
| ochosi | holy moly, 60mb for a notes app... | 21:34 |
| ochosi | i guess they added a whole DE just to be sure it'll run | 21:35 |
| bluesabre | yep | 21:36 |
| ochosi | looks fairly bland also | 21:36 |
| ochosi | not sure what's really worth 40mb (sorry, misread before) in that app | 21:36 |
| ochosi | the gtk theme wasn't used in that app btw | 21:36 |
| ochosi | looked broken, using raleigh | 21:36 |
| bluesabre | and that's probably one of those highlighted issues, where the wrapper is failing to grab the default theme | 21:37 |
| bluesabre | that might be something the wrapper needs to communicate to xfce for | 21:37 |
| ochosi | hm, not sure. it's not really an xfce specific setting | 21:38 |
| ochosi | at least i think it isn't | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | kill xfsettingsd, everything goes raleigh | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | so it does something, somehow | 21:39 |
| bluesabre | I'm not entirely familar yet with how the apps figure that out | 21:40 |
| bluesabre | might be something I experiment with this week | 21:40 |
| ochosi | i thought it sets an x setting | 21:41 |
| ochosi | some daemon needs to set/provide that | 21:41 |
| bluesabre | but snap-packaged apps basically run in a clean environment, unless the wrapper script passes in those specific runtime parameters | 21:42 |
| bluesabre | (if I understand correctly) | 21:42 |
| ochosi | yeah, sounds a bit like another docker implementation to me (minus the chroot) | 21:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: so wait, do you want me to wait with the reply to mark? | 21:53 |
| ochosi | i mean, do you want to check the theming xfsettingsd thing somehow? | 21:53 |
| ochosi | i can also just mention this as a result of our first tests | 21:53 |
| ochosi | although it means we have to admit we don't know how xfce works :p | 21:54 |
| bluesabre | haha | 21:55 |
| bluesabre | xfce is an old project... we can't be familiar with it all, but happen to be some of the xfce+ubuntu devs | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | I'd just mention what we know, and keep it open for future conversation as we figure out more | 21:57 |
| ochosi | yup | 21:57 |
| ochosi | i'll ahead and reply then | 21:57 |
| bluesabre | great, thanks ochosi | 21:59 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ok sent. i hope you're ok with my wording and content | 22:13 |
| ochosi | wait. i meant: i hope you're content with my wording | 22:13 |
| ochosi | ;) | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:19 |
| bluesabre | dinner time, bbl | 22:19 |
| ochosi | bed time, nighty ;) | 22:21 |
| knome | nighty ochosi | 22:25 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: well said | 22:53 |
| mhall119 | bluesabre: ochosi are there any xubuntu apps that you'd like to try snapping? We've done some examples for Gnome and KDE already, I'd be happy to help build one for Xubuntu/Xfce too | 23:13 |
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