[07:10] <MrNumber3isme> Hello room
[07:12] <MrNumber3isme> I was hoping this would be a good place to ask for help. I Have a fresh install of Xubuntu 16.04, and I'm trying to get my broadcom chip working.
[07:13] <MrNumber3isme> after following various guides I found on Google, I think I may have screwed up.
[07:15] <MrNumber3isme> Another problem I face is that since I can't get my computer's internet to work, I'm in this chat on my phone, so I can't copy command outputs.
[08:22] <HappyHobo> I realize you can't support other derivatives of ubuntu that use xfce as their choice of DE.  I just want some input.  I want to know why I should use xubuntu over those derivativesl  One thing I do know is community support.  I want other things like features, bells and whistles.
[08:23] <HappyHobo> It's easy to tell me how wonderful something is.  I want to be shown why it is so wondermous.
[08:27] <HappyHobo> I'm not trolling.  I just want to know some bells and whistles.  I want to see its wow factor, its character, its joie de vive.  I'm a former ubuntu mate use and it was functional and sturdy.  There was nothing to ooh and ahh about it.
[08:28] <HappyHobo> You have to confess Chalet has a lot of oooh and ahh.
[08:29] <HappyHobo> Does it have a style changer?  Does it offer classic and modern versions of styles and themes?  How many backgrounds does it come with?
[08:30] <xncn> Well, what are you looking for specifically? One of the big things that attracts a lot of users, including myself, is that it's a very lightweight distro and it's no challenge to get up and running without throwing a ton of extras at you.
[08:30] <xncn> But yes, you can theme it and change styles.
[08:31] <xncn> That's what's nice about it, as far as xfce and ubuntu goes.
[08:33] <HappyHobo> Does it have anything other than simple just adequate appearance setting gui?
[08:35] <HappyHobo> How many different backgrounds does it have?  Others have ubuntu too as an excellent solid base.  It's funny though that I say that because at one time I thought ubuntu destroyed Mepis when Mepis switched from Debian to ubuntu.  I was wrong.
[08:36] <xncn> As far as "out of the box" goes, you're going to be looking at a built in theme manager, which includes what you would expect; fonts, window/panel themes, icons, all that good stuff. Nothing over the top compared to other distros, like I said, it's made to be efficient and lightweight.
[08:36] <xncn> iirc ~20 "default" backdrops but you can easily add more, it actually has quite a bit off the get go as far as changing things to your likings
[08:37] <xncn> obviously this includes setting up panel bars, getting a dock going, etc.
[08:38] <xncn> I'm honestly not a big fan of straight ubuntu, which is why I use this distro. Gives you the xfce lightweighted-ness.
[08:38] <HappyHobo> http://i.imgur.com/7BmJgBZ.png  I'm not trying to troll, provoke or otherwise advertise another distribution in y'all's channel.  I simply want to see if there is anything like this.
[08:40] <xncn> Not stock, no, but you can configure it to look like that. There's pretty active themes for the xfce environment.
[08:40] <HappyHobo> The problem is Chalet at this point has no p2p support and it downloads from sourceforge which takes a fortnight.
[08:41] <HappyHobo> I had to shave twice waiting for it to download.  I went through two pots of coffee sitting up and restarting the downlod when it failed.
[08:41] <xncn> Like I asked earlier, are you just looking for something that looks nice and clean? What are you running it on, etc. What will you be doing?
[08:41] <xncn> I actually was considering Chalet, I'm surprised there isn't p2p support for it.
[08:42] <HappyHobo> I'm running it on an Acer Asprire One A000532H with an atom n450 processor, 1 gig of ram, a 10 inch screen and a 160 gig harddrive.
[08:42] <xncn> Ah okay, that would make sense looking into Xubuntu then.
[08:43] <xncn> Honestly I was going to say Mint but I'm not a huge fan.
[08:43] <xncn> It's great stock, but there's other issues with it that make it not worth it imo.
[08:43] <HappyHobo> Pidgin calls these channels rooms.  I went into their room and I was the only one there.  The echo was absolutely incredible.
[08:43] <xncn> Mint's?
[08:44] <HappyHobo> You know which distribution brought me to enjoy xfce and not feel that it was a cheap gnome knockoff.  No, Chalet's room on irc.freenode.net
[08:44] <xncn> That's surprising
[08:45] <HappyHobo> MX15 had this incredible easy to use intuitive easy to use vertical setup.  I never used xfce before because it was so similar to gnome.  I was blown away.  I think everyone should go vertical.
[08:46] <HappyHobo> http://postimg.org/image/54f7iatwb/  This is my chalet setup.
[08:47] <HappyHobo> Oh it's sfw, landscape background.
[08:47] <xncn> Nice. You could actually get something like that going pretty easily, honestly.
[08:49] <xncn> Not a fan of vertical myself, been on OSX too long haha
[08:49] <HappyHobo> Yep, flip it, use the move feature of preferences and take everything from the top and put it at the bottom order in your idea of logical placement.  Use the traditional paradigm and place the clock at the opposite end of the panel.  Remove the labels from the window buttons.  Increase the panel to 40 to 50 pixels wide.  Bam you've gone vertical.  Do a happy dance.  Get used to it and enjoy.
[08:49] <HappyHobo> I
[08:49] <HappyHobo>  Is OSX vertical?
[08:50] <xncn> It isn't. I mean, you can set it up to be that way but everything is still based top side.
[08:50] <xncn> Ultimately, which you can't change. Pretty annoying.
[08:51] <xncn> And then they auto-change the transparency on you and all that junk, can't change it.
[08:51] <xncn> Can't stand gnome either. Otherwise I'd be on debian.
[08:52] <HappyHobo> I like MATE and the older XFCE paradigm over the traditional more windows like paradigm but this, this is incredible, I spent days setting up Afterstep2 but it wasn't as awesome.  I have this so it alphas when the mouse isn't over it and opaque when the mouse hovers over it.
[08:52] <HappyHobo> Remember KDE 3 series?
[08:52] <xncn> I do
[08:52] <HappyHobo> I thought I was using windows 98SE.  LOL
[08:53] <xncn> Don't remind me..
[08:53] <HappyHobo> Heh.
[08:53] <xncn> Some of the stuff is god awful
[08:53] <HappyHobo> Default ChaletOS reminds me of XP.  LOL
[08:54] <xncn> Honestly even now, there's some pretty dated looking stuff, drives me nuts. Guess it's whatever you're going for though.
[08:56] <HappyHobo> I am so happy that this distribution and I suppose Xubuntu too no longer links and intertwines QT with KDE.  I was surprised after I installed it that clementine was QT because I didn't get hit with a 200MB download of KDE.  Talk about ooh, ahh, wow.
[08:56] <pencilandpaper> xncn, you can get debian with Xfce. There is even a iso for it. Its what I use.
[08:57] <xncn> Oh wow I completely forgot about that. I was looking into it briefly but never tried it out.
[08:57] <HappyHobo> It used to be you received QT you got KDE whether you liked it or not.  It got better from that point you removed KDE and you got a dozen dependency issues damaging everything.
[08:58] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, since all that I use is Xfce unless using Puppy Linux..I had to look for it xncn .
[08:58] <HappyHobo> Before bases like debian, mandrake, ubuntu one had to consider whether they were going gtk and qt.
[08:58] <xncn> Thanks for the reminder, I'm going to be checking it out.
[08:58] <pencilandpaper> Yw xncn .
[08:59] <HappyHobo> At one point I said firetruck it and went straight X11 so everything worked.  Gtk distributios truly hated QT apps.  Y'all remember that?
[09:00] <HappyHobo> QT distributions were a little more forgiving when it came to blending in GTK apps back then but you had to run KDE as a DE to do that and I hate KDE.
[09:00] <xncn> Yeah, that's what really steered me away initially.
[09:00] <xncn> Big PITA.
[09:03] <HappyHobo> Heh I was insane when I started out.  I used Mandrake but it wasn't functional on my former laptop because I couldn't get the modem to work.  I love Gnome 2 so much though.  I got a disk for Mepis which ran my modem and did all kinds of cool things.  From that point it went straight to lunacy install gnome 2 on a KDE 3centric distribution.  I had more dependency issues than a heroin clinic.
[09:03] <HappyHobo> QT apps being run in xfce even look like gtk they don't look strange at all.
[09:04] <HappyHobo> pencilandpaper:  does plasma have its on variant of QT?
[09:05] <HappyHobo> Will xubuntu handle that well?
[09:06] <pencilandpaper> I think so HappyHobo , I believe that when using KDE you can ofcourse use the gtk engines to run your gtk apps with the gtk appearances, and there is also a qt engine to do the same thing.
[09:07] <pencilandpaper> With Xubuntu, I'm not sure how that works since I don't really run any QT apps, I know that qupzilla looked nice when I checked it out..and I do use Kopete messenger and it has some small appearance issues, but the majority of its gui looks alright.
[09:07] <HappyHobo> At one time the engines didn't function well together in the same distribution.\
[09:08] <pencilandpaper> I know right, they have gotten better with that.
[09:08] <HappyHobo> I remember running something and got everything but the Ksink.
[09:09] <pencilandpaper> I know right, thats one thing about the KDE apps, they pull in quite a bit of depends along with them.
[09:09] <pencilandpaper> My main distro of choice as wild as this may sound to most is Puppy Linux. I just prefer it.
[09:10] <HappyHobo> You got something like apt-get install clementine expecting 4 or 5 packages and bam here comes two screen fulls of "necessary" applications.  All you could do if you wanted to continue was bang your head on the desk, scream really and hit yes.
[09:10] <pencilandpaper> I just happen to use Xubuntu and Devuan (debian without systemd and using sysvinit) as well.
[09:10] <pencilandpaper> I know right. lol
[09:11] <HappyHobo> I like Chalet because of the style dhanger and the backgrounds.  It's also quite fast even running 32 bit.
[09:11] <HappyHobo> MX15 changed everything with its vertical setup bam wow.]
[09:12] <pencilandpaper> A friend of mine runs Chalet OS.
[09:13] <pencilandpaper> MX15 is one that I haven't checked out..but I know someone that used it for a while. I'm not sure if they are still using it.
[09:13] <HappyHobo> It's awesome, there is no irc or otherwise p2p for it.
[09:13] <pencilandpaper> MX15?
[09:13] <HappyHobo> Chalet
[09:14] <pencilandpaper> O ok cool..
[09:14] <HappyHobo> For me name means something.  Chalet is plain neat.  Gates gave me windows, Chalet gives me the entire house sure it's a Swiss house but hey it's a house.  LOL
[09:15] <pencilandpaper> I created a xfce 4.10.pet for my Tahrpup install so that I could run 4.10 instead of 4.12 since I prefer the window snapping in xfce 4.10 to how it works in 4.12.
[09:15] <pencilandpaper> Thats cool. Are you running Chalet right now?
[09:17] <HappyHobo> Yep.  want to see something tacky?
[09:17] <pencilandpaper> Sure.
[09:19] <HappyHobo> http://i.imgur.com/fDR7pzz.png   Heh the orange will cross your eyes.
[09:19] <HappyHobo> There's  purple that would make Prince proud.
[09:20] <HappyHobo> Digging the pink?
[09:20] <pencilandpaper> Thats dope. :)
[09:20] <pencilandpaper> Brb, let me switch up real quick man, I want to share a screenshot with you as well.
[09:25] <HappyHobo> Whatcha got for me?
[09:26] <pencilandpaper> Ok back, thanks. :)
[09:27] <pencilandpaper> Ok, let me go ahead and get a screenshot real quick.
[09:27] <pencilandpaper> This is the default JWM desktop, and I have added compton as a compositor and tilda as a drop-down terminal. Changed gtk themes, desktop icons, things like that..and added conky.
[09:28] <pencilandpaper> I covered up a few things in conky.
[09:29] <HappyHobo> Some of the windows themes like elegant redmond classic are actually quite sweet.  http://i.imgur.com/1Pz34q1.png  There is a background that works every style but there is some lack of functionality with the style changer.  It won't make a simple background with the style color.  It's supposed to just match an xfce background with the color heh it doesn't.  You put  a serious amount of work into your GUI.  I have friends that are d
[09:30] <HappyHobo> GUI is and has been the future.  Most folks are truly WYSIWYG.  Most folks don't see a screen of ASCII and binary and go oooh and ahhhh.
[09:32] <pencilandpaper> I know right..
[09:32] <HappyHobo> Isn't the elegant redmond classic sweet?\
[09:32] <pencilandpaper> Well one thing about Puppy is that its so customizable that its ridiculous and in all ways
[09:32] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, it is nice.
[09:32] <pencilandpaper> It has that windows appearance to it.
[09:33] <HappyHobo> You want customizable and configurable try AS2 or FVWM there isn't anything it can't do.
[09:34] <pencilandpaper> http://picpaste.com/image-3-AOGxzXuY.png <----- Check it out. :)
[09:34] <pencilandpaper> I feel you. Thats about what I am dealing with over here once you get in to it.
[09:35] <pencilandpaper> As you can see I am only using 168mb of ram or something like that, and thats almost heavy. Another thing that I like a lot about this distro.
[09:36] <HappyHobo> Not a jwm fan but that is sweet.
[09:37] <pencilandpaper> Thanks, I appreciate it. I also have Xfce installed on here too..that I use when I want to.
[09:38] <HappyHobo> Problem with fvwm and as2 is it is all xml and html files to edit to get what you want but it's awesome.  I would choose AS2 over FWM because it has multiple files to work with whereas FVWM has one huge file.
[09:39] <HappyHobo> I like the redmonds and the chaletos styles they are like security blankets for newbies.
[09:40] <pencilandpaper> Right, I know what you mean. With JWM you have a bunch of files for each part of the desktop that you want to customize. It comes set up sparsely for you though. With a bottom panel with a clock, a theme so that you can see your apps in a window, and thats about it. O and your application menu is roughly there for you.
[09:40] <pencilandpaper> But as far as the rest you have to set it up. One thing about Puppy is that its already completely customized for you, and provides its own apps that you can't find anywhere else for customization through the gui..so its very nice and user friendly.
[09:41] <pencilandpaper> I know exactly what you mean. I was checking it out yesterday online when my friend mentioned that he was using it. It does have a lot of customizations to it.
[09:41] <pencilandpaper> Pretty innovative.
[09:42] <pencilandpaper> When Xenialpup goes stable, the Puppy that is based on 16.04 I will have it installed and be using it. This one is Tahrpup which is based on 14.04.
[09:42] <HappyHobo> fvwm is the oldest wm from what I understand and so many DE/WM stem from it.  From what I under
[09:42] <HappyHobo> stand xfce has its basis there too.\
[09:43] <HappyHobo> If you want to do it fvwm will I've always heard.
[09:43] <pencilandpaper> Right now Xenialpup is pre-beta. I have it installed, but its still buggy..so its not for everyday use..I just wanted a first look.
[09:43] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, I have read that Xfce stems from it as well I think.
[09:43] <HappyHobo> I love Chalet but I'm considering switcching to xubuntu for the p2p.
[09:44] <pencilandpaper> Well thats up to you. You can always do a dual boot as well HappyHobo ..so that you can use what you want to use..as well as have Xubuntu installed for when you need it.
[09:44] <pencilandpaper> What do you mean by p2p if you don't mind me asking?
[09:45] <HappyHobo> fvwm is x11 the true renderer, the true engine, the big dog that gtk and qt come from and work with.  If you make an all x11 system you will have blinding speed even on older systems.  I basically did that at one time but can't rememberhow.
[09:46] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, thats true.
[09:46] <HappyHobo> person to person, irc and such, there are forums but I prefer IRC
[09:46] <pencilandpaper> O ok, I understand. I would stick with what you enjoy using HappyHobo ..and hang out where you want to no matter what you use. ;)
[09:47] <pencilandpaper> Thats what I do. You can catch me across quite a few different networks and channels all while riding Puppy Linux until it stops.
[09:47] <HappyHobo> I'm still frustrated with the html issue with the style changer even though I would never keep the background.
[09:47] <pencilandpaper> I do have Xubuntu and Debian/Devuan installed at all times as well though so.
[09:48] <HappyHobo> I have MX15 and Chalet
[09:48] <pencilandpaper> That could be something that is worked out with time though. Its still a fairly new distro..and I am sure that has been posted as a bug report.
[09:48] <pencilandpaper> Nice.
[09:48] <HappyHobo> BRB I'm going to see what MX15 does or if it even works since I'm sharing the home.
[09:49] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool, go for it.
[09:53] <HappyHobo> Heh pencilandpaper mx15 64 bit with it switched from mx15 and jessie repositories to stretch repositories is so fast but damn compared to Chalet its hideous.
[09:55] <pencilandpaper> lol
[09:55] <pencilandpaper> Doesn't it use fluxbox as its DE?
[09:56] <HappyHobo> No it uses xfce gone vertical and simple
[09:56] <pencilandpaper> One reason that I stuck with Jessie is to be able to stick with Xfce 4.10 instead of 4.12..or else I would upgrade to stretch.
[09:56] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool..
[09:57] <HappyHobo> I just found new backgrounds on mx15 and I don't know where to find them to use them in Chalet.  Oh my golly goodness I just got wowed.  I need them.  Where do I find them?
[09:58] <pencilandpaper> In /usr/share/backgrounds   /usr/share/image?
[09:58] <HappyHobo> There are dozens of them.
[09:59] <pencilandpaper> If not there, then I will have to take a look in my filesystem for some hints. lol
[09:59] <HappyHobo> HOLY SPIT!
[09:59] <pencilandpaper> lol
[10:00] <HappyHobo> I love pretty backdrops that I don't have to fight to get it.  I like being given things cool things neat things.  These are both.  I want them on both my distributions.  I must find the gimmes.
[10:02] <HappyHobo> gimme gimme gimme gimme
[10:02] <HappyHobo> now if I just get this stupid thing to give me the style changer
[10:02] <HappyHobo> muahahahahahahahaha
[10:03] <HappyHobo> I bet if I add chalet's repo I could get style changer on MX15
[10:03] <HappyHobo> then there would be no point in having Chalet.  muahahahahah
[10:07] <HappyHobo> Howdy.
[10:08] <HappyHobo> http://i.imgur.com/SOwj7Ya.png
[10:09] <HappyHobo> I want it, I want it, I want it for chalet.
[10:10] <pencilandpaper> Whats up man. How about I had a quick power outage.
[10:10] <HappyHobo> I thought I bored you and you fell off your chair\
[10:10] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, thats a nice wallpaper. I saw that one before on there.
[10:10] <pencilandpaper> lol
[10:11] <pencilandpaper> No, I think that too many things were running at once or something.
[10:11] <HappyHobo> There are  dozen gooedies.
[10:11] <knome> HappyHobo, pencilandpaper: we have #xubuntu-offtopic for the non-support discussion :)
[10:12] <pencilandpaper> Ok knome, sorry. :)
[10:12] <pencilandpaper> HappyHobo: Lets move over there man.
[10:12] <HappyHobo> Oh Lord you're awake.
[10:54] <xubuntu06w> Hi, wanted to add a startupt scritp at startup. Doesn't work.
[10:54] <xubuntu06w> I used the suggestions in the top answer at this thread: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12973777/how-to-run-a-shell-script-at-startup
[10:54] <xubuntu06w> I'm using Xubuntu 12.04
[11:05] <xubuntu06w> !ping ?
[11:06] <xubuntu06w> !bump
[11:09] <xubuntu06w> *logging out*
[19:51] <FoolishDave_> so whenever I try and log into steam or install cutorch through luarocks, my comp locks up entirely and I have to force shutdown. How do I even try and start fixing this?
[20:51]  * JeZxLee wonders when AMD will fix Radeon driver on 16.04