[00:00] tedg, do you know of any reason to continue to use the Ubuntu geoip service rather than switching to Mozilla Location Service? [01:37] geoclue-2.0 will need to get re-promoted to main then [04:11] robert_ancell: hi, did you have new changes to xorg.git? i had the commits locally but forgot to push because of the ffe taking so long [04:12] tjaalton, the debian git branch? [04:12] yep [04:12] I only pushed your changes. I was looking at merging but didn't get it done [04:13] it's not ready for merging [04:13] well, we aren't [04:13] tjaalton, do you have any plans for libinput? [04:14] robert_ancell: merging the lib or switching to the driver? [04:14] tjaalton, merging the lib (but also if any updates on the driver) [04:16] merging new stuff is a lower prio right now for me [04:17] libinput 1.3.1 got released yesterday [04:19] tjaalton, shall I have a go at libinput? [04:19] sure [04:19] 1.3.0 was buggy [04:29] robert_ancell: the watch file needs updating, try [04:29] https://www.freedesktop.org/software/libinput/ libinput@ANY_VERSION@\.tar\.xz [04:31] robert_ancell, tjaalton: I landed Xmir enhancements required for OSK support. Needs packaging but I also want to test it more today... [04:32] jbicha: current one works here.. [04:36] tjaalton: are you sure? http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/driver/ doesn't work here [04:39] it has http://www.freedesktop.org/software/libinput/libinput-(.*)\.tar\.xz [04:39] I just ran uscan and it worked [04:40] jbicha: huh, you mean the driver? [04:41] oh [04:41] both seem to work [04:42] never mind, I was confused [04:43] ok === thumper is now known as thumper-bjj [05:03] hi [06:27] morning all [06:39] moin [07:04] Good morning [07:04] morning [07:31] hey happyaron, how are you? [07:31] (sorry, just saw your reply now) [07:33] good, :) [07:54] pitti: can you have a look at the network-manager SRU in -proposed? it seems to have enough time in queue? [07:56] happyaron: in a bit, still firefighting some infra issues [07:56] np, take you time [07:58] morning all [07:58] Looks like it's Autum already [07:58] Autumn [08:00] Hey willcooke, hey everybody... Its finally winter here. :) [08:00] willcooke: I approve of the theming of the tabs in the terminal. :) [08:00] evening TheMuso, good holiday? [08:00] willcooke: Yes thanks, very refreshing. [08:01] TheMuso, excellent! [08:02] helloooooooooooo [08:03] hey Laney, how are you? [08:03] Laney: enjoyed the long weekend? [08:04] we can see that seb is in France, he wake up again after the UK :-) [08:04] morning guys [08:04] pitti: very good thank you - went to Cambridge beer festival and then saw family [08:05] I think I am a bit ill though, don't feel quite right today [08:05] but still, here! [08:05] hey didrocks! [08:05] how are you guys? [08:05] Laney: uh, get well soon then [08:05] Laney: still sick from last week, but getting better (was quite a challenge to give a talk in that condition) [08:05] :( [08:05] Laney: I had an awesome 4-day weekend, with a rock festival, a Star Trek exhibition, some gardening, and lots of ice cream :) [08:05] I guess this is the period for coughing and such [08:06] bonjour didrocks ! [08:06] hey pitti ;) [08:06] pitti: we were trying to guess what you were doing last week ;-) [08:06] * pitti looks at the sunny sky and wonders what people are complaining about [08:06] pitti: was in Paris this week-end, that's why the grey weather :p [08:07] gardening and ice cream were on the list [08:07] Laney: https://plus.google.com/+MartinPitti/posts/1Ujm2rKT9wB and http://piware.de/fotos/Star-Wars-Identities-Mai2016/ basically [08:07] good morning desktopers [08:07] hey seb128 [08:07] argh, and I typed "star trek", I meant "star wars" obviously; that's a terminal sin! [08:07] oh, didrocks saying hello on desktop :-) [08:07] lut didrocks! [08:07] salut seb128 [08:07] hey seb128 [08:07] pitti, GET OUT! [08:07] * pitti stands ashamed in the corner [08:08] the thing I'm always mocking my wife with now happened to me! [08:08] seb128: yeah, crazy, just got some minutes before next thing… :p [08:08] urghghgh [08:08] I didn't open my laptop since friday [08:08] didrocks, good luck! [08:08] pitti: no power shell is a terminal sin [08:08] pitti: the difference are minors anyway [08:08] * Laney cries at email [08:08] * didrocks gets out as well :) [08:08] davmor2, *badum tisch* [08:08] * pitti slaps didrocks [08:08] ouch :p [08:09] Laney: ignore the current batch of worker failure, swift is AWOL (IS is investigating) [08:11] pitti: ack === thumper-bjj is now known as thumper-eod [08:12] Laney: btw, if you missed my ping from yesterday: http://picpaste.com/systemd-session.png :) [08:13] pitti: nice - and oh, I guess you didn't see my hack either [08:13] Laney: this is now a session half-started by upstart and half-started by systemd, and stuff is working nicely [08:13] Laney: and converting more services is now fairly straightforward [08:14] pitti: https://paste.debian.net/712910/ [08:14] so I think this is now ready for a nice two or three day sprint to fully do and land it [08:14] Laney: wohoo!! [08:14] I added something to dbus-daemon to synthesise SystemdUnit= [08:14] Laney: so you gave up on systemd's dbus generator? [08:15] nein, but dbus-daemon needs that key to know to use systemd activation [08:15] you need both halves [08:15] Laney: oh, ok; in principle you can map that by traversing all units and looking at the BusName=, but that seems rather expensive [08:16] dbus-daemon doesn't want to call methods on systemd [08:17] so I don't know how you would actually do this properly; would need to talk to smcv if this is something we would actually like to have [08:17] for this hack I added a flag --systemd-activate-all that you turn on when the generator is in use [08:18] Laney: originally I thought that systemd would create .socket units for Type=dbus units and do the activation by itself then; but I guess that's wrong? [08:19] it's still dbus-daemon doing the activation then [08:19] ah, maybe the above was with kdbus [08:20] https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/bus/activation.c#n1885 [08:21] Laney: WDYM with "dbus-daemon doesn't want to call methods on systemd"? [08:22] pitti: If you were thinking of having dbus-daemon use the systemd dbus api to enumerate all the dbus units [08:22] Laney: oh, no; I think that's rather expensive [08:22] Laney: I wondered how you auto-generate that mapping [08:23] make an activation request for dbus-.service or so [08:26] this breaks down when you consider that the generator isn't run for newly installed services [08:26] only at systemd's startup [08:32] Laney: so we coudl still manually add SystemdUnit= to the things we care about (I figure we don't actually have that many), and not rely on any magic [08:35] pitti: could do - I thought it was nice to have everything activated by systemd, so tried to make a proof of concept, but it's not that essential [08:35] it is nice having everything logged into the journal properly [08:35] indeed, yes [08:35] but if that's the only benefit then dbus could probably just log there itself [08:36] this would get rid of most of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/bamf/systemd-unit/revision/637 [08:37] right - you wouldn't need to write a unit unless you want to do something special [09:16] back [09:17] wb! [09:17] seb128, we all went out for ice cream while you were away [09:17] I ate yours [09:17] sorry [09:18] :-( [09:19] tech guy said that the cables were not up to current standards and having too many junctions, they need to put a new one, they come back on friday [09:20] A new cable should give you a decent speed boost [09:20] yeah, I had some line quality issues for a while [09:20] so not a bad thing [09:20] one it's done [09:20] heh [09:20] once [09:20] "Friday" = "an undetermined point in the future" [09:21] aka "never" [09:21] those are the sounds of a person that has had to deal with BT Openreach [09:21] ha! [09:21] indeed [09:22] willcooke: no no Tomorrow it'll always be done for tomorrow :D [09:25] lol [09:25] orange is nice [09:25] they give you a 4g stick if you want until they fix your line [09:26] wow - that's a great idea [09:46] happyaron: looking now; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1576726/comments/25 sounds bad [09:46] Launchpad bug 1576726 in network-manager-openconnect (Ubuntu Xenial) "[SRU] network-manager 1.2.0" [High,Confirmed] [09:47] pitti, I've an updated SRU from happyaron to address the issue you had with the one in the queue, need to get it sponsored today [09:49] seb128: for network-manager? I don't remember an issue with that [09:49] pitti, no, nm-openconnect [09:49] just the above comment that might or might not be a regresssion in -proposed, the comment is unclear [09:49] ah [09:49] I think it's not [09:49] the issue is that openconnect didn't get updated to 1.1 before release [09:49] it's still on 1.0 [09:49] which seems incompatbiel [09:50] seb128: ah, so this is already not working in xenial then [09:50] that's my understanding [09:53] seb128: ok, I'll reject the current upload from the queue then, to avoid confusion [09:53] pitti, thanks [10:10] Hello all ! [10:12] didrocks: how are you today? [10:13] alexarnaud: still sick, but ok, how are you? :) [10:13] didrocks: fine :) [10:13] didrocks: Have you discuss with Sam about Hypra and Compiz? [10:14] alexarnaud: pinging him right now [10:15] didrocks: what is his IRC nickname? [10:15] alexarnaud: you can as well ping him right away (he is away it seems), presenting him, and just tell I'm sending you to him :) His nickname is smspillaz [10:17] didrocks: OK :), thanks a lot. Could you just refresh my memory please, what is the technique is CCSM to have dynamic configuration as I've presented to you in mouse theme ? [10:18] alexarnaud: it's not in CCSM, it's a package named "session-migration", where you can use scripts to do whatever you want (like changing gsettings keys) [10:24] didrocks: Oh, I remember that ^^. I speak about to have dynamic configuration in CCSM. For example, we have "mouse theme" plugins that has all the configuration on a XML file and a ugly switch in the C++ code that create a dependency on package related to the hard coded theme. I speak about to move from hard to dynamic loading configuration. I don't know if you remember our discussion about this topic. [10:27] alexarnaud: not really, sorry. I'm sure Sam would be able to help you, he wrote the depedency resolver :) [10:45] No problem. It's not urgent. [11:12] tedg / charles: is anyone MIRing ubuntu-app-launch which indicator-datetime now depends on? [11:25] didrocks: hi :) do you know if dconf-qt is still needed? [11:25] it depends on a backend that is removed in dconf now [11:28] Laney: hum, I think only Unity2d used it [11:28] I guess you did check the rdepends, right? [11:28] yup [11:29] Reverse Depends: [11:29] libdconf-qt-dev [11:29] yeah, a little bit sad to see this lib on its own :p [11:29] good for purging IMHO [11:29] nice [11:29] and that will make desrt happy [11:29] do you want to use your powers? [11:29] * didrocks loads his power and do it in 2 min [11:30] ♥ [11:31] seb128: can I ignore those evolution uploads to xenial for a yakkety upload? [11:35] Laney, yes, those are workaround to get translations back without waiting for the next langpack export [11:35] translations are not so important in the dev cycle [11:35] k, thanks [11:36] yw [11:37] willcooke is desktop-trello-import the correct tag? [11:37] andyrock, yes [11:37] andyrock, yah [11:38] ah ok just because my bugs are not getting imported [11:38] andyrock, shout when you're ready and I will kick off the script [11:38] it's not an automatic job [11:38] ah ok yeah I've two bugs read to be imported [11:39] andyrock, which project? [11:39] project(s) [11:39] unity [11:39] andyrock, done [11:39] cool thanks [12:06] Laney: flushed (sorry, was in a meeting) === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln === JanC is now known as Guest93383 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [12:35] Laney: kill it! [12:39] desrt: it's dead (can't say forever, you never know), but dead :) === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko === czajkowski is now known as LauraFautley [13:30] Laney: Oh, I didn't realize we needed to, I haven't looked at an MIR. [13:30] Wait, sorry, I thought you were saying SRU. [13:30] * tedg drinks more coffee [13:31] Laney: It is on my TODO for this cycle, I can bump it up, didn't realize it was needed already. [13:31] Apparently the goal is to get all of U8 desktop MIR'd this cycle. [13:34] tedg, yeah, need to start somewhere ;-) [13:35] * ogra_ wonders if thats also retroactively true for xenial :) [13:35] * tedg is so excited for Unity8 becoming a grown up project [13:35] * tedg wipes a tear from his eye [13:36] thanks didrocks! [13:36] yw! :) [13:37] tedg: indeed, datetime is stuck on this now [13:44] desrt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1580673 [13:44] Launchpad bug 1580673 in unity (Ubuntu) "DBusActivatable launches app in root directory" [Medium,Triaged] [13:44] any idea about this one? [14:06] desrt: maybe g_desktop_app_info_make_platform_data should add a "cwd" entry? [14:08] hey xnox, what you think about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1580673 ? [14:08] Launchpad bug 1580673 in upstart (Ubuntu) "DBusActivatable launches app in root directory" [Undecided,New] [14:13] seb128: Hi Sebastien! Are you able to see why my latest l-s upload to yakkety is stuck in -proposed? [14:13] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector [14:13] GunnarHj, hey [14:13] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html [14:13] "Not touching package as requested in bug 1496292 on Fri May 20 06:32:26 2016 " [14:14] bug 1496292 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "Needs to be ported to packagekit 1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496292 [14:15] seb128: can you delete evolution-ews from y-proposed please? [14:16] need to get this libical migrated before trying 3.20 there [14:16] seb128: Hmm.. Thanks. Think I'll need help with that. [14:18] Laney, done === davidcalle is now known as davidcalle_x86_6 === davidcalle_x86_6 is now known as davidcalle [14:19] GunnarHj, I don't see why language-selector needs to be blocked, I think you can delete the line in that bug [14:19] merci! [14:19] de rien! [14:21] seb128: If you say so, I can do it (without knowing what I'm doing). Are you sure? [14:21] yes [14:21] seb128: Ok, thanks. [14:21] that bug was meant to block aptdaemon/packagekit [14:22] unsure why the other entries were added, seems buggy triaging [14:22] or user action === ozgun is now known as ozzo [14:31] tseliot: ping, I need some nvidia package fixes and I was told you're the guy to talk to [14:31] the current proprietary driver package doesn't allow snappy apps to use OpenGL [14:32] 10:24 < mvo> mhall119: do you think you could chase our nvidia packagers to include a systemd bind mount unit from "sudo mount -o bind /usr/lib/nvidia-361 /var/lib/snapd/lib/gl/" ? [14:33] Mirv: is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goldencheetah/3.3.0-3build1/+build/9805094 related to your recent changes? [14:33] seb128: l-s does have an aptdaemon dependency - think it's there for the pulling of language support. I also recall bug #1541288. Still sure? ;) [14:33] bug 1541288 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Support PackageKit" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541288 [14:35] GunnarHj, yes I'm sure, l-s should be ported to use packagekit interfaces and not aptdaemon but that's not something that requires to block it in proposed [14:36] seb128: Ok, that I'll shut up on this topic now. :) Thanks! [14:36] yw [14:50] Laney, seb128: coming back to the sprint question yesterday: would you like to hang out two or three days for the session startup migration? [14:51] Laney, seb128: I think we have enough pieces of the puzzle now to demonstrate that it works in principle, the rest is parallelizable work, and maybe some refinement discussions [14:51] and translating it to {k,x,l,...}ubuntu too, as far as they are concerned [14:51] this isn't particularly urgent, and we already have a sprint mid-June, so perhaps end of june or July or so? [14:53] I'm +1 on the idea yes [14:53] unsure when would be the best time [14:53] end of june or second half of july works for me [14:54] yep sounds good [14:56] seb128, Laney: if it's just the three of us, I'm happy to have you as guests at my place, if you want to travel that far [14:56] I guess seb128 lives in the middle between Laney and me === LauraFautley is now known as czajkowski [15:02] hi all. in unity-control-center->bluetooth, if i click a device, there's a pane with some details (paired, type, address, &c). it also has a "Connection" toggle (On/Off). I recently dist-upgraded from 15.04 where this toggle worked fine to 15.10, then 16.04, and this "Connection" toggle appears disabled for all of my devices [15:02] pitti, any option would work for me, we have enough space that you guys could come as well, only 1 extra bed though [15:03] it was a very important capability to attach/release devices, and i'm wondering if this Connection toggle works for anyone else atm, and am curious what kind of debug info I might be able to get, wondering if anyone has suggestions for things to try? [15:04] rektide, hey [15:05] hiya. :) [15:06] rektide, that control seems to reflect the status but not be clickable [15:07] seb128: in 15.04 it was an active control item. if i needed to stop using my bluetooth headset (perhaps so my phone could use it) i could toggle it [15:08] rektide, seems to be bug #1568679, that probably has to do with the bluez5 transition [15:08] bug 1568679 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Can't connect bluetooth device with on/off switch in control center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568679 [15:08] seb128: & likewise, sometimes my headset wont reconnect automatically if it's available, but clicking the toggle to on would actively make a connection [15:08] rektide, you can use the indicator as a workaround, the controls work there [15:09] that brings me to my second question: is there any way to get menu bar items (indicators) if i'm running a non Unity WM? I run awesomewm. [15:09] I don't know about that [15:10] back when i used openbox i'd use a program like stalonetray to get system tray things, but this menu-bar doesn't appear to interoperate with the regular fd.o specs (ICCWM &c) [15:10] quite aggravating! [15:11] or perhaps there's just some specific applet that i need to run- that'd make a ton of sense [15:17] rektide, you can install libindicator3-tools and use indicator-loader3 to display the indicator as a workaround [15:25] andyrock: or upstart should launch apps in ~ instead of / [15:25] yeah [15:25] it's upstart's fault :D [15:25] :D [15:25] :( [15:28] rektide, the bug is easy to fix, we are going to deal with it, thanks for pointing it out [15:30] Meeting time! [15:30] zomg [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 [15:30] Meeting started Tue May 31 15:30:56 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: [15:31] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:31] hey! [15:31] yo [15:32] 4hi [15:32] o/ [15:32] hey [15:34] lets go... [15:34] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: attente [15:34] Hi attente, what's cooking? [15:34] hey [15:34] debugging the galculator snap, proposed some small fixes to the autotools plugin in snapcraft, but needs revisions [15:34] still working on cleaning up the g-s patches, have a squashed commit of everything on top of the current master, but haven't picked it apart yet [15:34] (eof) [15:35] Laney: possibly. there's a WIP bug/research at bug #1586026 where help would be welcome. added a note there to remind later. [15:35] bug 1586026 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Remove arm64 binaries for packages failing to build with Qt compiled with OpenGL ES" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586026 [15:35] thanks attente [15:35] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: andyrock [15:35] #1. [BUG:1586491] Volume up and down keys no longer autorepeat [15:35] #2. [BUG:1582056] Switching windows in Unity fails to bring program to foreground [15:35] #3. [BUG:1586374] Launcher sizing wrong in low graphics mode [15:35] #4. [BUG:1587507] TTY switch triggers lock screen [15:35] #5. Bug triaging [15:35] eof [15:36] thanks andyrock [15:36] andyrock, do you think all of those will get in 16.04.1? [15:36] willcooke: yup [15:36] andyrock, super! [15:36] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: desrt [15:36] hihi [15:37] working on the library/binary relocation support in glib [15:37] basically, making it possible to install debs (or libraries built once) into multiple /snap/ paths without all the pain [15:37] eof. [15:37] \o/ [15:37] thanks desrt [15:37] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:37] hi [15:37] * found out that libmtp udev rules conflict with a specific printer (Brother MFC-8220 04f9:0150), waiting for udevadm test results prior to reporting a bug [15:38] * got help from tkamppeter on another printer-udev issue, thank you! [15:38] * looked into a bug report regarding ifupdown (related to bug #1337873), turned out it was a misconfiguration [15:38] bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 [15:38] * was off on Thu-Fri, didn't have chance to work on actual snaps yet, but examined the example calculator snap [15:38] eof [15:38] thanks dgadomski [15:39] dgadomski <-> attente for calculators. dgadomski might be worth changing to a different app if you can, I think we're well fixed for calculators :_) [15:39] :) [15:39] #topic FJKong === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: FJKong [15:39] hi [15:39] sogou IM: [15:39] dbus 100% cpu using problem report by user [15:39] double click to install skin and some notify problem [15:39] 16.04 installing problem, get stuck at detecting file system and waiting for long time [15:39] bug 1545910 Cannot input Chinese characters into TextField in a QML application [15:40] bug 1545910 in Ubuntu SDK IDE "Cannot input Chinese characters into TextField in a QML application" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545910 [15:40] eof [15:40] thanks FJKong [15:40] #topic happyaron === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: happyaron [15:40] 1. Still network-manager [15:40] 2. Released a hotfix of sogoupinyin on cloud input [15:40] 3. New zfs-linux merge [15:40] (!) [15:41] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: hikiko [15:41] * OEM project: [15:41] - document [15:41] - quick look at the available tools [15:41] - reproduced some of the issues [15:41] - working on the env setup [15:41] * Ezoom: fixed most problems - still remain some redraw issues and blur [15:41] issues that were [15:41] revealed after I fixed the NxN drawing problem [15:41] * Shadows for shaped windows: merged the ancient branch to trunk, made [15:41] sure there aren't conflicts with the gtk shadows, tried to make the [15:41] decorations crash with chrome but I couldn't: [15:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHolz44IY00 (any ideas/reproduction [15:41] steps?). Btw that branch is awaiting for review since January [15:41] (https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps/+merge/284068 [15:41] and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg the video were I tested [15:41] the code with edge case windows) so if you could speed up the review, or [15:41] just give me some feedback so that I see the issues and fix them it [15:42] would have been great.. (thanks) [15:42] * reviews: [15:42] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: Laney [15:42] • short week [15:42] • Worked some more on gtk 3.20 theme - feeling like I need to go into hiding and work on this full time - doing this bit by bit is probably not going to get it finished in a reasonable time (but the results are looking better every day) [15:42] • Did some poking on systemd --user, managed to break my laptop's boot, fixed that. As a PoC, hacked systemd's kdbus generator to generate Type=dbus units under dbus-daemon too, then hacked dbus-daemon to activate via systemd for these units, which is fun [15:43] • Some minor autopkgtest/appstream administration [15:43] • Fielded some questions from potential job candidates as a result of posting it on d-jobs [15:43] • Poked at -proposed a bit - few things stuck there without enough love, pinged people about some issues and fixed others [15:43] 🛃 [15:43] passport control? [15:43] :emoji: [15:43] :) [15:43] thanks Laney [15:44] Maybe it's a laptop. [15:44] #topic qengho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: qengho [15:44] - chromium deb, new v51 in testing. Y stalled in build servers. [15:44] - chromium snap, much progress. mostly working. printing doesn't. kind of ugly. [15:44] - other snaps in personal or down-time: Tor relay, good! minecraft, testing! [15:44] glory to arstotzka [15:44] EOF [15:44] \o/ thanks qu [15:44] qengho [15:45] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: seb128 [15:45] • changed evolution to include translations under langpack are fixed/updated [15:45] • fixed util-linux bugs make DVD/hybrid disks not show in the UI [15:45] • fixed update-notifier not spawning update-manager weekly [15:45] • uploaded brasero fixes for missing translations/dvdcss plugin failing to load [15:45] • fixed some usd segfaults having to do with devices being removed while configured, sent patches upstream to gsd which still has similar issues [15:45] • helped verifying some xenial SRUs [15:45] • backported some g-s-d fixes/improvements to u-s-d [15:45] • reviewed recent launchpad bugs [15:45] • worked on getting fcitx to work in snaps [15:45] [15:45] thanks seb128! [15:45] #topic sweetshark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: sweetshark [15:46] He's at a Maiden concert! \m/ [15:46] Updates: LO snap [15:46] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: TheMuso [15:46] * Started working on packaging of latest Pulseaudio 9 release candidate, not uploaded anywhere yet, need to sort out some dependency stuff. [15:46] * Started working on integrating more snappy work into pulse packaging for yakkety, will probably be SRUed into xenial. Thanks to Simon Fels for the actual implementation. [15:46] * More a11y stack updates for yakkety as per upstream releases. [15:46] * Started working on acessibility profile manager improvements, nothing marked off on trello yet, as work is not yet at a state where I can consider it even partially done, but should be there by EOW. [15:47] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: tkamppeter [15:47] - cups-filters: Investigated in which cases no page logging (for accounting, [15:47] /var/log/cups/page_log) takes place. https://github.com/apple/cups/issues/4798. [15:47] - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students to get started with their projects [15:47] - Bugs [15:47] thanks tkamppeter [15:47] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: Trevinho [15:47] - Compiz and unity landings [15:47] - SRUs [15:47] - Fixes in gnome-settings-daemon (upstreaming usd work) [15:47] - Reviews [15:47] KERNEL PATCH [15:48] broke upower [15:48] lolz [15:48] then fixed it :p [15:49] thanks Trevinho [15:49] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: robert_ancell [15:49] - Register snap/squashfs mime types [15:49] - File-roller support for squashfs [15:49] - Package updates [15:49] - LightDM in-session greeter work [15:49] #topic any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-05-31 | Current topic: any other business [15:49] Thanks everyone [15:49] Anyone got any more topics [15:49] ? [15:50] Oh, hiring [15:50] Had a fair few CVs in [15:50] Have done some sifting, a little more to do. [15:50] Will meet with Laney and seb128 this week [15:50] whoever you take, "larsu" in this channel is taken [15:50] * larsu waves hello [15:50] hey larsu! [15:50] hey larsu ;-) [15:51] funny I dropped in at this moment :) [15:51] hey larsu.. Come on, is time to be hired again :) [15:51] hehe [15:51] you'll just make me fix the theme again :P [15:52] yup! ;) [15:52] it's being you Laney and willcooke [15:52] naaaa... You'll snapify it :) [15:52] :-) [15:52] haha! [15:52] * larsu always has that song in his head when he hears "snappy" [15:52] end of meeting in 10..... 9.... [15:53] * Trevinho wants to be German to appreciate [15:53] thanks! [15:54] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks [15:54] Meeting ended Tue May 31 15:54:51 2016 UTC. [15:54] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-05-31-15.30.moin.txt [15:54] thanks everyone [15:55] Laney: seb128: gnome-todo 3.20 also needs to be pulled from -proposed and rebuilt for the ical transition [15:57] seb128: unfortunately it looks like indicator-bluetooth does not expose a shared library, which indicator-loader3 seems to expect? i tried `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service` and got: [15:57] loading '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service' failed: Key file contains line '\u007fELF\u0002\u0001\u0001' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment [15:58] erp, the command i tried was: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-loader3 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-servic [15:58] rektide, no, you need to load /usr/share/unity/indicators/com.canonical.indicator.bluetooth [15:59] yess! alright! back in business [15:59] well something ran at least & is onscreen. ;) [16:00] jbicha, Laney, deleted [16:00] hey jbicha, wb [16:00] Laney: thanks :) [16:01] pitti: is swift still a bit busted? [16:02] Laney: not sure, why? (still in meeting) [16:02] ktnef should have new test results but looks like britney doesn't know about them [16:02] logs have it being put into swift [16:02] britney & autopkgtest.u.c [16:02] Laney: oh, I think the current failures are just the python RNG timeout again [16:05] pitti: You mean the killed workers? [16:06] : failure: Timed out on waiting for ssh connection [16:06] pitti: ktnef didn't do that - it finished but the results aren't visible in the UIs [16:06] Laney: ^ this one [16:06] ah [16:06] Laney: ok, don't know; is it on swift? [16:06] yep [16:06] Laney: could just be debci not catching up [16:06] Laney: britney doesn't see it either? [16:06] Laney: worth looking into the britney logs then whether it gets some 404s or so [16:08] ah man, of course it's caught up now [16:09] maybe IS were still fixing it [16:09] i appear to only get some non-interactive list of categories when i run indicator-loader3. is there anything else i should be running, or some way to get access to the underlying services? [16:10] ah ha! i have to ru nthe service too, then it works! [16:18] ah seb128 one thing I forgot to mention is that I've done that patch for gtk crash involving ups... Once desrt can check the menutracker, it would be nice to SRU it [16:19] Trevinho, k, feel free to get the SRU ready and go through ubuntu-sponsors, might help you to get some bonus point to get upload rights ;-) [16:19] seb128: debdiffs are already https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1296674 [16:19] Launchpad bug 1296674 in GTK+ "/usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service:11:gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items:gtk_menu_tracker_model_changed:ffi_call_unix64:ffi_call:g_cclosure_marshal_generic" [Medium,In progress] [16:20] but... I probably should add some g_critical's for upstream... [16:20] k [16:21] if you don't segfault is that still going to load to user visible issues? [16:21] seb128: no, also is pretty unknown when the issue hapens [16:22] seb128: but it should be when remving some menu entries... Although since menus are shown only when requested I figure this won't create visual issues (personally I got the crash when not plying with anything but running an app) [16:25] k [16:25] seb128: happy to bring a sleeping mattress [16:26] meeting marathon over, time for some dinner [16:26] pitti, enjoy! [16:26] we probably have some of those (need to check to be sure) [16:26] seb128: that'd be nice too; so that means we would essetnially have no hotel costs, and only negligible travel costs, so willcooke_ and slangasek shouldn't have to bear much budget [16:26] right [16:26] seb128: and it sounds a lot more fun too! [16:27] :-) [16:27] indeed [16:27] seb128: so we either let Laney pick the location, or we play rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock [16:27] yeah [16:27] bbl [16:28] enjoy your dinner! [16:29] not exacly sure when i'll be available, need to find out [16:29] I probably prefer end July [16:36] same for me [16:37] irccloud has some new layout options. it kinda looks like telegram now. [16:37] * desrt kinda likes it [17:02] night! [17:02] cya Laney [17:04] desrt: it's *awesome* [17:04] I've been waiting for them to do something like this === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:09] night Laney! [17:11] seb128: about the snap script for launching gtk stuff and various deps parts for integrating with unity7, I think we should move them to the wiki to have just one source for our tools, isn't it? [17:15] Trevinho, the wiki is not really a code hosting solution... [17:15] seb128: I do agree [17:15] what's wrong with having the reference example in a vcs? [17:15] seb128: but I hope once a better place is decided, then everything will be moved there smoothly [17:15] well the better place is snapcraft itself [17:16] those are only hacks [17:16] they shouldn't be needed and should go away over time [17:16] seb128: well, not sure... I think it should allow to have not-centralized parts [17:16] well, a centralized repo, with no-centralized parts [17:17] why not [17:17] but that's not a wiki [17:17] unsure what's best meanwhile though [17:17] yeah, it was just because we're currently copy and pasting stuff around, and everytime we add/change something with the risk of losing the knowedge we get [17:17] well, the wiki doesn't solve that [17:18] it just add yet another location to update/keep in sync [17:18] while using a single repo, were we add generic scripts that can be loaded through a part in the wiki (as it is in for qt5 launcher), then we avoid a little this problem [17:18] sorry but I don't understand the wiki part [17:18] I'm all for having a common wrapper in a vcs [17:19] that's sort of what the gnome-calculator example was supposed to be [17:19] our common playground so we work on the same example [17:19] yeah, but once we want to test new things, (as it happened for hello unity) we have to reuse those scripts instead of getting the same from a shared repo [17:21] you mean? [17:22] mhall119: can you have mvo file a bug report about it, please? [17:22] ideally if there are improvements to do they would be commited to the gnome-calculator version [17:22] then you can copy that one over to your other source [17:22] but sure we can have a reference vcs [17:23] I just think a vcs is better than a wiki [17:23] willcooke_: Hello ! How are you ? Do you have receive my mail about Compiz? [17:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1541059 [17:23] Trevinho: Do you know why this patch has not been treated by Canonical ? [17:23] Launchpad bug 1541059 in Compiz "feature patch for visually impaired. added mouse vertical and horizontal guides." [Undecided,New] [17:24] Trevinho: it's resolve one of the most difficulty of visual impaired people that is to view their cursor [17:24] alexarnaud: ah I can check that [17:25] alexarnaud: patches are less visible in my workflow than MPs are [17:25] Trevinho: OK, I note for the future [17:27] thanks in advance for your feedback, you can ping me on freenode or ping my colleague ksamak about the code. I'm visual impaired and I responsible for the quality of the accessibility project at Hypra based on Compiz stack. I test all features submitted to Canonical. [17:28] alexarnaud: ok, good [17:28] alexarnaud: I'm preparing the MP right now [17:29] Trevinho: MP on launchpad? If you can (I don't know the LP feature) I would like to be in copy ^^ (as CC in e-mail). [17:30] alexarnaud: ok, sure [17:31] alexarnaud: however things are easy as bzr branch lp:compiz; #hack; bzr commit -m message; bzr push lp:~your-user/compiz/fantastic-branch-name ;-) [17:31] alexarnaud: then bzr lp-propose or just use the web UI [17:41] alexarnaud: stuff is in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/showmouse-guides/+merge/296125 [17:43] Trevinho: thanks a lot for your rapidity. [17:43] Trevinho: How can we made merge proposal on launchpad? [17:44] Do we need to create branch on LP? [17:47] alexarnaud: I wrote that before [17:47] alexarnaud: 19:31:40 alexarnaud: however things are easy as bzr branch lp:compiz; #hack; bzr commit -m message; bzr push lp:~your-user/compiz/fantastic-branch-name ;-) [17:49] tseliot: he must be EOD, can I file the bug with the info he gave me? [17:50] mhall119: sure, maybe subscribe him to the bug report, so that he can add more details if needed [17:50] Trevinho: Oh, sorry, I've not see your response. [17:51] mhall119: oh, and please assign it to me [17:51] tseliot: what project? [17:52] mhall119: nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 (the ubuntu source package) [17:58] alexarnaud, hey, just checked - and no, I didn't sorry./ [18:00] willcooke_: I've talked with didrocks, it seems we can also trying to collaborate with smspillaz. [18:03] willcooke_: our first proposal have been approved by Trevinho few minutes ago (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/showmouse-guides/+merge/296125). I believe we will propose all our work on EZoom and Mouse poll (Compiz plugins) soon. [18:04] Trevinho: if you come a day in France I could pay you with beer :). [18:05] tseliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/+bug/1587597 assigned to you and subscribed mvo, thanks [18:05] Launchpad bug 1587597 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 (Ubuntu) "Proprietary graphics not available to Snappy packages" [Undecided,New] [18:05] alexarnaud: ehehe, ok... I will.. Or next FOSDEM :-) [18:07] Trevinho: I think I will :). [18:07] See you tomorrow [18:08] cool! [18:08] back from dinner, but time to go. night all [18:24] mhall119: thanks [20:08] Trevinho: thx for looking again. [20:09] Trevinho: btw, is it worth pinging again, fishing for info on 0.9.12.3 release? related to deb packaging [22:37] ksamak: yeah, you're totally right... I'll finish this last compiz landing and I'll do the release