[00:00] <robert_ancell> tedg, do you know of any reason to continue to use the Ubuntu geoip service rather than switching to Mozilla Location Service?
[01:37] <jbicha> geoclue-2.0 will need to get re-promoted to main then
[04:11] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hi, did you have new changes to xorg.git? i had the commits locally but forgot to push because of the ffe taking so long
[04:12] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, the debian git branch?
[04:12] <tjaalton> yep
[04:12] <robert_ancell> I only pushed your changes. I was looking at merging but didn't get it done
[04:13] <tjaalton> it's not ready for merging
[04:13] <tjaalton> well, we aren't
[04:13] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, do you have any plans for libinput?
[04:14] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: merging the lib or switching to the driver?
[04:14] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, merging the lib (but also if any updates on the driver)
[04:16] <tjaalton> merging new stuff is a lower prio right now for me
[04:17] <tjaalton> libinput 1.3.1 got released yesterday
[04:19] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, shall I have a go at libinput?
[04:19] <tjaalton> sure
[04:19] <tjaalton> 1.3.0 was buggy
[04:29] <jbicha> robert_ancell: the watch file needs updating, try
[04:29] <jbicha> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/libinput/ libinput@ANY_VERSION@\.tar\.xz
[04:31] <duflu> robert_ancell, tjaalton: I landed Xmir enhancements required for OSK support. Needs packaging but I also want to test it more today...
[04:32] <tjaalton> jbicha: current one works here..
[04:36] <jbicha> tjaalton: are you sure? http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/driver/ doesn't work here
[04:39] <tjaalton> it has http://www.freedesktop.org/software/libinput/libinput-(.*)\.tar\.xz
[04:39] <tjaalton> I just ran uscan and it worked
[04:40] <tjaalton> jbicha: huh, you mean the driver?
[04:41] <jbicha> oh
[04:41] <tjaalton> both seem to work
[04:42] <jbicha> never mind, I was confused
[04:43] <tjaalton> ok
[05:03] <hikiko> hi
[06:27] <andyrock> morning all
[06:39] <Sweet5hark> moin
[07:04] <pitti> Good morning
[07:04] <happyaron> morning
[07:31] <pitti> hey happyaron, how are you?
[07:31] <pitti> (sorry, just saw your reply now)
[07:33] <happyaron> good, :)
[07:54] <happyaron> pitti: can you have a look at the network-manager SRU in -proposed? it seems to have enough time in queue?
[07:56] <pitti> happyaron: in a bit, still firefighting some infra issues
[07:56] <happyaron> np, take you time
[07:58] <willcooke> morning all
[07:58] <willcooke> Looks like it's Autum already
[07:58] <willcooke> Autumn
[08:00] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke, hey everybody... Its finally winter here. :)
[08:00] <TheMuso> willcooke: I approve of the theming of the tabs in the terminal. :)
[08:00] <willcooke> evening TheMuso, good holiday?
[08:00] <TheMuso> willcooke: Yes thanks, very refreshing.
[08:01] <willcooke> TheMuso, excellent!
[08:02] <Laney> helloooooooooooo
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:03] <pitti> Laney: enjoyed the long weekend?
[08:04] <didrocks> we can see that seb is in France, he wake up again after the UK :-)
[08:04] <didrocks> morning guys
[08:04] <Laney> pitti: very good thank you - went to Cambridge beer festival and then saw family
[08:05] <Laney> I think I am a bit ill though, don't feel quite right today
[08:05] <Laney> but still, here!
[08:05] <Laney> hey didrocks!
[08:05] <Laney> how are you guys?
[08:05] <pitti> Laney: uh, get well soon then
[08:05] <didrocks> Laney: still sick from last week, but getting better (was quite a challenge to give a talk in that condition)
[08:05] <Laney> :(
[08:05] <pitti> Laney: I had an awesome 4-day weekend, with a rock festival, a Star Trek exhibition, some gardening, and lots of ice cream :)
[08:05] <didrocks> I guess this is the period for coughing and such
[08:06] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[08:06] <didrocks> hey pitti ;)
[08:06] <Laney> pitti: we were trying to guess what you were doing last week ;-)
[08:06]  * pitti looks at the sunny sky and wonders what people are complaining about
[08:06] <didrocks> pitti: was in Paris this week-end, that's why the grey weather :p
[08:07] <Laney> gardening and ice cream were on the list
[08:07] <pitti> Laney: https://plus.google.com/+MartinPitti/posts/1Ujm2rKT9wB and http://piware.de/fotos/Star-Wars-Identities-Mai2016/ basically
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:07] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:07] <pitti> argh, and I typed "star trek", I meant "star wars" obviously; that's a terminal sin!
[08:07] <seb128> oh, didrocks saying hello on desktop :-)
[08:07] <seb128> lut didrocks!
[08:07] <pitti> salut seb128
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:07] <willcooke> pitti, GET OUT!
[08:07]  * pitti stands ashamed in the corner
[08:08] <pitti> the thing I'm always mocking my wife with now happened to me!
[08:08] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, crazy, just got some minutes before next thing… :p
[08:08] <Laney> urghghgh
[08:08] <Laney> I didn't open my laptop since friday
[08:08] <seb128> didrocks, good luck!
[08:08] <davmor2> pitti: no power shell is a terminal sin
[08:08] <didrocks> pitti: the difference are minors anyway
[08:08]  * Laney cries at email
[08:08]  * didrocks gets out as well :)
[08:08] <willcooke> davmor2, *badum tisch*
[08:08]  * pitti slaps didrocks
[08:08] <didrocks> ouch :p
[08:09] <pitti> Laney: ignore the current batch of worker failure, swift is AWOL (IS is investigating)
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: ack
[08:12] <pitti> Laney: btw, if you missed my ping from yesterday: http://picpaste.com/systemd-session.png :)
[08:13] <Laney> pitti: nice - and oh, I guess you didn't see my hack either
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: this is now a session half-started by upstart and half-started by systemd, and stuff is  working nicely
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: and converting more services is now fairly straightforward
[08:14] <Laney> pitti: https://paste.debian.net/712910/
[08:14] <pitti> so I think this is now ready for a nice two or three day sprint to fully do and land it
[08:14] <pitti> Laney: wohoo!!
[08:14] <Laney> I added something to dbus-daemon to synthesise SystemdUnit=
[08:14] <pitti> Laney: so you gave up on systemd's dbus generator?
[08:15] <Laney> nein, but dbus-daemon needs that key to know to use systemd activation
[08:15] <Laney> you need both halves
[08:15] <pitti> Laney: oh, ok; in principle you can map that by traversing all units and looking at the BusName=, but that seems rather expensive
[08:16] <Laney> dbus-daemon doesn't want to call methods on systemd
[08:17] <Laney> so I don't know how you would actually do this properly; would need to talk to smcv if this is something we would actually like to have
[08:17] <Laney> for this hack I added a flag --systemd-activate-all that you turn on when the generator is in use
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: originally I thought that systemd would create .socket units for Type=dbus units and do the activation by itself then; but I guess that's wrong?
[08:19] <pitti> it's still dbus-daemon doing the activation then
[08:19] <pitti> ah, maybe the above was with kdbus
[08:20] <Laney> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/dbus/dbus/tree/bus/activation.c#n1885
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: WDYM with "dbus-daemon doesn't want to call methods on systemd"?
[08:22] <Laney> pitti: If you were thinking of having dbus-daemon use the systemd dbus api to enumerate all the dbus units
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: oh, no; I think that's rather expensive
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: I wondered how you auto-generate that mapping
[08:23] <Laney> make an activation request for dbus-<busname>.service or so
[08:26] <Laney> this breaks down when you consider that the generator isn't run for newly installed services
[08:26] <Laney> only at systemd's startup
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: so we coudl still manually add SystemdUnit= to the things we care about (I figure we don't actually have that many), and not rely on any magic
[08:35] <Laney> pitti: could do - I thought it was nice to have everything activated by systemd, so tried to make a proof of concept, but it's not that essential
[08:35] <Laney> it is nice having everything logged into the journal properly
[08:35] <pitti> indeed, yes
[08:35] <Laney> but if that's the only benefit then dbus could probably just log there itself
[08:36] <pitti> this would get rid of most of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/bamf/systemd-unit/revision/637
[08:37] <Laney> right - you wouldn't need to write a unit unless you want to do something special
[09:16] <seb128> back
[09:17] <Laney> wb!
[09:17] <willcooke> seb128, we all went out for ice cream while you were away
[09:17] <willcooke> I ate yours
[09:17] <willcooke> sorry
[09:18] <seb128> :-(
[09:19] <seb128> tech guy said that the cables were not up to current standards and having too many junctions, they need to put a new one, they come back on friday
[09:20] <willcooke> A new cable should give you a decent speed boost
[09:20] <seb128> yeah, I had some line quality issues for a while
[09:20] <seb128> so not a bad thing
[09:20] <seb128> one it's done
[09:20] <willcooke> heh
[09:20] <seb128> once
[09:20] <willcooke> "Friday" = "an undetermined point in the future"
[09:21] <willcooke> aka "never"
[09:21] <Laney> those are the sounds of a person that has had to deal with BT Openreach
[09:21] <willcooke> ha!
[09:21] <willcooke> indeed
[09:22] <davmor2> willcooke: no no Tomorrow it'll always be done for tomorrow :D
[09:25] <seb128> lol
[09:25] <seb128> orange is nice
[09:25] <seb128> they give you a 4g stick if you want until they fix your line
[09:26] <willcooke> wow - that's a great idea
[09:46] <pitti> happyaron: looking now; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1576726/comments/25 sounds bad
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, I've an updated SRU from happyaron to address the issue you had with the one in the queue, need to get it sponsored today
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: for network-manager? I don't remember an issue with that
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, no, nm-openconnect
[09:49] <pitti> just the above comment that might or might not be a regresssion in -proposed, the comment is unclear
[09:49] <pitti> ah
[09:49] <seb128> I think it's not
[09:49] <seb128> the issue is that openconnect didn't get updated to 1.1 before release
[09:49] <seb128> it's still on 1.0
[09:49] <seb128> which seems incompatbiel
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: ah, so this is already not working in xenial then
[09:50] <seb128> that's my understanding
[09:53] <pitti> seb128: ok, I'll reject the current upload from the queue then, to avoid confusion
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:10] <alexarnaud> Hello all !
[10:12] <alexarnaud> didrocks: how are you today?
[10:13] <didrocks> alexarnaud: still sick, but ok, how are you? :)
[10:13] <alexarnaud> didrocks: fine :)
[10:13] <alexarnaud> didrocks: Have you discuss with Sam about Hypra and Compiz?
[10:14] <didrocks> alexarnaud: pinging him right now
[10:15] <alexarnaud> didrocks: what is his IRC nickname?
[10:15] <didrocks> alexarnaud: you can as well ping him right away (he is away it seems), presenting him, and just tell I'm sending you to him :) His nickname is smspillaz
[10:17] <alexarnaud> didrocks: OK :), thanks a lot. Could you just refresh my memory please, what is the technique is CCSM to have dynamic configuration as I've presented to you in mouse theme ?
[10:18] <didrocks> alexarnaud: it's not in CCSM, it's a package named "session-migration", where you can use scripts to do whatever you want (like changing gsettings keys)
[10:24] <alexarnaud> didrocks: Oh, I remember that ^^. I speak about to have dynamic configuration in CCSM. For example, we have "mouse theme" plugins that has all the configuration on a XML file and a ugly switch in the C++ code that create a dependency on package related to the hard coded theme. I speak about to move from hard to dynamic loading configuration. I don't know if you remember our discussion about this topic.
[10:27] <didrocks> alexarnaud: not really, sorry. I'm sure Sam would be able to help you, he wrote the depedency resolver :)
[10:45] <alexarnaud> No problem. It's not urgent.
[11:12] <Laney> tedg / charles: is anyone MIRing ubuntu-app-launch which indicator-datetime now depends on?
[11:25] <Laney> didrocks: hi :) do you know if dconf-qt is still needed?
[11:25] <Laney> it depends on a backend that is removed in dconf now
[11:28] <didrocks> Laney: hum, I think only Unity2d used it
[11:28] <didrocks> I guess you did check the rdepends, right?
[11:28] <Laney> yup
[11:29] <didrocks> Reverse Depends:
[11:29] <didrocks>   libdconf-qt-dev
[11:29] <didrocks> yeah, a little bit sad to see this lib on its own :p
[11:29] <didrocks> good for purging IMHO
[11:29] <Laney> nice
[11:29] <didrocks> and that will make desrt happy
[11:29] <Laney> do you want to use your powers?
[11:29]  * didrocks loads his power and do it in 2 min
[11:30] <Laney> ♥
[11:31] <Laney> seb128: can I ignore those evolution uploads to xenial for a yakkety upload?
[11:35] <seb128> Laney, yes, those are workaround to get translations back without waiting for the next langpack export
[11:35] <seb128> translations are not so important in the dev cycle
[11:35] <Laney> k, thanks
[11:36] <seb128> yw
[11:37] <andyrock> willcooke is desktop-trello-import  the correct tag?
[11:37] <seb128> andyrock, yes
[11:37] <willcooke> andyrock, yah
[11:38] <andyrock> ah ok just because my bugs are not getting imported
[11:38] <willcooke> andyrock, shout when you're ready and I will kick off the script
[11:38] <seb128> it's not an automatic job
[11:38] <andyrock> ah ok yeah I've two bugs read to be imported
[11:39] <willcooke> andyrock, which project?
[11:39] <willcooke> project(s)
[11:39] <andyrock> unity
[11:39] <willcooke> andyrock, done
[11:39] <andyrock> cool thanks
[12:06] <didrocks> Laney: flushed (sorry, was in a meeting)
[12:35] <desrt> Laney: kill it!
[12:39] <didrocks> desrt: it's dead (can't say forever, you never know), but dead :)
[13:30] <tedg> Laney: Oh, I didn't realize we needed to, I haven't looked at an MIR.
[13:30] <tedg> Wait, sorry, I thought you were saying SRU.
[13:30]  * tedg drinks more coffee
[13:31] <tedg> Laney: It is on my TODO for this cycle, I can bump it up, didn't realize it was needed already.
[13:31] <tedg> Apparently the goal is to get all of U8 desktop MIR'd this cycle.
[13:34] <seb128> tedg, yeah, need to start somewhere ;-)
[13:35]  * ogra_ wonders if thats also retroactively true for xenial :)
[13:35]  * tedg is so excited for Unity8 becoming a grown up project
[13:35]  * tedg wipes a tear from his eye
[13:36] <Laney> thanks didrocks!
[13:36] <didrocks> yw! :)
[13:37] <Laney> tedg: indeed, datetime is stuck on this now
[13:44] <andyrock> desrt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1580673
[13:44] <andyrock> any idea about this one?
[14:06] <andyrock> desrt: maybe g_desktop_app_info_make_platform_data should add a "cwd" entry?
[14:08] <Trevinho> hey xnox, what you think about this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1580673 ?
[14:13] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien! Are you able to see why my latest l-s upload to yakkety is stuck in -proposed?
[14:13] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector
[14:13] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[14:13] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[14:13] <seb128> "Not touching package as requested in bug 1496292 on Fri May 20 06:32:26 2016 "
[14:15] <Laney> seb128: can you delete evolution-ews from y-proposed please?
[14:16] <Laney> need to get this libical migrated before trying 3.20 there
[14:16] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hmm.. Thanks. Think I'll need help with that.
[14:18] <seb128> Laney, done
[14:19] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't see why language-selector needs to be blocked, I think you can delete the line in that bug
[14:19] <Laney> merci!
[14:19] <seb128> de rien!
[14:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: If you say so, I can do it (without knowing what I'm doing). Are you sure?
[14:21] <seb128> yes
[14:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks.
[14:21] <seb128> that bug was meant to block aptdaemon/packagekit
[14:22] <seb128> unsure why the other entries were added, seems buggy triaging
[14:22] <seb128> or user action
[14:31] <mhall119> tseliot: ping, I need some nvidia package fixes and I was told you're the guy to talk to
[14:31] <mhall119> the current proprietary driver package doesn't allow snappy apps to use OpenGL
[14:32] <mhall119> 10:24 < mvo> mhall119: do you think you could chase our nvidia packagers to  include a systemd bind mount unit from "sudo mount -o bind  /usr/lib/nvidia-361 /var/lib/snapd/lib/gl/" ?
[14:33] <Laney> Mirv: is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goldencheetah/3.3.0-3build1/+build/9805094 related to your recent changes?
[14:33] <GunnarHj> seb128: l-s does have an aptdaemon dependency - think it's there for the pulling of language support. I also recall bug #1541288. Still sure? ;)
[14:35] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes I'm sure, l-s should be ported to use packagekit interfaces and not aptdaemon but that's not something that requires to block it in proposed
[14:36] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, that I'll shut up on this topic now. :) Thanks!
[14:36] <seb128> yw
[14:50] <pitti> Laney, seb128: coming back to the sprint question yesterday: would you like to hang out two or three days for the session startup migration?
[14:51] <pitti> Laney, seb128: I think we have enough pieces of the puzzle now to demonstrate that it works in principle, the rest is parallelizable work, and maybe some refinement discussions
[14:51] <pitti> and translating it to {k,x,l,...}ubuntu too, as far as they are concerned
[14:51] <pitti> this isn't particularly urgent, and we already have a sprint mid-June, so perhaps end of june or July or so?
[14:53] <seb128> I'm +1 on the idea yes
[14:53] <seb128> unsure when would be the best time
[14:53] <seb128> end of june or second half of july works for me
[14:54] <Laney> yep sounds good
[14:56] <pitti> seb128, Laney: if it's just the three of us, I'm happy to have you as guests at my place, if you want to travel that far
[14:56] <pitti> I guess seb128 lives in the middle between Laney and me
[15:02] <rektide> hi all. in unity-control-center->bluetooth, if i click a device, there's a pane with some details (paired, type, address, &c). it also has a "Connection" toggle (On/Off). I recently dist-upgraded from 15.04 where this toggle worked fine to 15.10, then 16.04, and this "Connection" toggle appears disabled for all of my devices
[15:02] <seb128> pitti, any option would work for me, we have enough space that you guys could come as well, only 1 extra bed though
[15:03] <rektide> it was a very important capability to attach/release devices, and i'm wondering if this Connection toggle works for anyone else atm, and am curious what kind of debug info I might be able to get, wondering if anyone has suggestions for things to try?
[15:04] <seb128> rektide, hey
[15:05] <rektide> hiya. :)
[15:06] <seb128> rektide, that control seems to reflect the status but not be clickable
[15:07] <rektide> seb128: in 15.04 it was an active control item. if i needed to stop using my bluetooth headset (perhaps so my phone could use it) i could toggle it
[15:08] <seb128> rektide, seems to be bug #1568679, that probably has to do with the bluez5 transition
[15:08] <rektide> seb128: & likewise, sometimes my headset wont reconnect automatically if it's available, but clicking the toggle to on would actively make a connection
[15:08] <seb128> rektide, you can use the indicator as a workaround, the controls work there
[15:09] <rektide> that brings me to my second question: is there any way to get menu bar items (indicators) if i'm running a non Unity WM? I run awesomewm.
[15:09] <seb128> I don't know about that
[15:10] <rektide> back when i used openbox i'd use a program like stalonetray to get system tray things, but this menu-bar doesn't appear to interoperate with the regular fd.o specs (ICCWM &c)
[15:10] <rektide> quite aggravating!
[15:11] <rektide> or perhaps there's just some specific applet that i need to run- that'd make a ton of sense
[15:17] <seb128> rektide, you can install libindicator3-tools and use indicator-loader3 to display the indicator as a workaround
[15:25] <desrt> andyrock: or upstart should launch apps in ~ instead of /
[15:25] <andyrock> yeah
[15:25] <andyrock> it's upstart's fault :D
[15:25] <desrt> :D
[15:25] <desrt> :(
[15:28] <seb128> rektide, the bug is easy to fix, we are going to deal with it, thanks for pointing it out
[15:30] <willcooke> Meeting time!
[15:30] <desrt> zomg
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting  -  2016-05-31
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 31 15:30:56 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <seb128> hey!
[15:31] <qengho> yo
[15:32] <FJKong> 4hi
[15:32] <desrt> o/
[15:32] <andyrock> hey
[15:34] <willcooke> lets go...
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <willcooke> Hi attente, what's cooking?
[15:34] <attente> hey
[15:34] <attente> debugging the galculator snap, proposed some small fixes to the autotools plugin in snapcraft, but needs revisions
[15:34] <attente> still working on cleaning up the g-s patches, have a squashed commit of everything on top of the current master, but haven't picked it apart yet
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <Mirv> Laney: possibly. there's a WIP bug/research at bug #1586026 where help would be welcome. added a note there to remind later.
[15:35] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <andyrock> #1. [BUG:1586491] Volume up and down keys no longer autorepeat
[15:35] <andyrock> #2. [BUG:1582056] Switching windows in Unity fails to bring program to foreground
[15:35] <andyrock> #3. [BUG:1586374] Launcher sizing wrong in low graphics mode
[15:35] <andyrock> #4. [BUG:1587507] TTY switch triggers lock screen
[15:35] <andyrock> #5. Bug triaging
[15:35] <andyrock> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> andyrock, do you think all of those will get in 16.04.1?
[15:36] <andyrock> willcooke: yup
[15:36] <willcooke> andyrock, super!
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:36] <desrt> hihi
[15:37] <desrt> working on the library/binary relocation support in glib
[15:37] <desrt> basically, making it possible to install debs (or libraries built once) into multiple /snap/ paths without all the pain
[15:37] <desrt> eof.
[15:37] <willcooke> \o/
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> hi
[15:37] <dgadomski> * found out that libmtp udev rules conflict with a specific printer (Brother MFC-8220 04f9:0150), waiting for udevadm test results prior to reporting a bug
[15:38] <dgadomski> * got help from tkamppeter on another printer-udev issue, thank you!
[15:38] <dgadomski> * looked into a bug report regarding ifupdown (related to bug #1337873), turned out it was a misconfiguration
[15:38] <dgadomski> * was off on Thu-Fri, didn't have chance to work on actual snaps yet, but examined the example calculator snap
[15:38] <dgadomski> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:39] <willcooke> dgadomski <-> attente for calculators.  dgadomski might be worth changing to a different app if you can,  I think we're well fixed for calculators :_)
[15:39] <willcooke> :)
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:39] <FJKong> hi
[15:39] <FJKong> sogou IM:
[15:39] <FJKong> dbus 100% cpu using problem report by user
[15:39] <FJKong> double click to install skin and some notify problem
[15:39] <FJKong> 16.04 installing problem, get stuck at detecting file system and waiting for long time
[15:39] <FJKong> bug 1545910 Cannot input Chinese characters into TextField in a QML application
[15:40] <FJKong> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:40] <willcooke> 1. Still network-manager
[15:40] <willcooke> 2. Released a hotfix of sogoupinyin on cloud input
[15:40] <willcooke> 3. New zfs-linux merge
[15:40] <qengho> (!)
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> * OEM project:
[15:41] <willcooke>  - document
[15:41] <willcooke>  - quick look at the available tools
[15:41] <willcooke>  - reproduced some of the issues
[15:41] <willcooke>  - working on the env setup
[15:41] <willcooke> * Ezoom: fixed most problems - still remain some redraw issues and blur
[15:41] <willcooke> issues that were
[15:41] <willcooke> revealed after I fixed the NxN drawing problem
[15:41] <willcooke> * Shadows for shaped windows: merged the ancient branch to trunk, made
[15:41] <willcooke> sure there aren't conflicts with the gtk shadows, tried to make the
[15:41] <willcooke> decorations crash with chrome but I couldn't:
[15:41] <willcooke> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHolz44IY00 (any ideas/reproduction
[15:41] <willcooke> steps?). Btw that branch is awaiting for review since January
[15:41] <willcooke> (https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps/+merge/284068
[15:41] <willcooke> and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg the video were I tested
[15:41] <willcooke> the code with edge case windows) so if you could speed up the review, or
[15:41] <willcooke> just give me some feedback so that I see the issues and fix them it
[15:42] <willcooke> would have been great.. (thanks)
[15:42] <willcooke> * reviews:
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42] <Laney> • short week
[15:42] <Laney> • Worked some more on gtk 3.20 theme - feeling like I need to go into hiding and work on this full time - doing this bit by bit is probably not going to get it finished in a reasonable time (but the results are looking better every day)
[15:42] <Laney> • Did some poking on systemd --user, managed to break my laptop's boot, fixed that. As a PoC, hacked systemd's kdbus generator to generate Type=dbus units under dbus-daemon too, then hacked dbus-daemon to activate via systemd for these units, which is fun
[15:43] <Laney> • Some minor autopkgtest/appstream administration
[15:43] <Laney> • Fielded some questions from potential job candidates as a result of posting it on d-jobs
[15:43] <Laney> • Poked at -proposed a bit - few things stuck there without enough love, pinged people about some issues and fixed others
[15:43] <Laney> 🛃
[15:43] <desrt> passport control?
[15:43] <qengho> :emoji:
[15:43] <willcooke> :)
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:44] <qengho> Maybe it's a laptop.
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:44] <qengho> - chromium deb, new v51 in testing. Y stalled in build servers.
[15:44] <qengho> - chromium snap, much progress. mostly working. printing doesn't. kind of ugly.
[15:44] <qengho> - other snaps in personal or down-time: Tor relay, good! minecraft, testing!
[15:44] <Laney> glory to arstotzka
[15:44] <qengho> EOF
[15:44] <willcooke> \o/ thanks qu
[15:44] <willcooke> qengho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:45] <seb128> • changed evolution to include translations under langpack are fixed/updated
[15:45] <seb128> • fixed util-linux bugs make DVD/hybrid disks not show in the UI
[15:45] <seb128> • fixed update-notifier not spawning update-manager weekly
[15:45] <seb128> • uploaded brasero fixes for missing translations/dvdcss plugin failing to load
[15:45] <seb128> • fixed some usd segfaults having to do with devices being removed while configured, sent patches upstream to gsd which still has similar issues
[15:45] <seb128> • helped verifying some xenial SRUs
[15:45] <seb128> • backported some g-s-d fixes/improvements to u-s-d
[15:45] <seb128> • reviewed recent launchpad bugs
[15:45] <seb128> • worked on getting fcitx to work in snaps
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[15:45] <willcooke> thanks seb128!
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic sweetshark
[15:46] <willcooke> He's at a Maiden concert! \m/
[15:46] <willcooke> Updates: LO snap
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:46] <willcooke> * Started working on packaging of latest Pulseaudio 9 release candidate, not uploaded anywhere yet, need to sort out some dependency stuff.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Started working on integrating more snappy work into pulse packaging for yakkety, will probably be SRUed into xenial. Thanks to Simon Fels for the actual implementation.
[15:46] <willcooke> * More a11y stack updates for yakkety as per upstream releases.
[15:46] <willcooke> * Started working on acessibility profile manager improvements, nothing marked off on trello yet, as work is not yet at a state where I can consider it even partially done, but should be there by EOW.
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Investigated in which cases no page logging (for accounting,
[15:47] <tkamppeter> /var/log/cups/page_log) takes place. https://github.com/apple/cups/issues/4798.
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students to get started with their projects
[15:47] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:47] <Trevinho> - Compiz and unity landings
[15:47] <Trevinho> - SRUs
[15:47] <Trevinho> - Fixes in gnome-settings-daemon (upstreaming usd work)
[15:47] <Trevinho> - Reviews
[15:47] <Laney> KERNEL PATCH
[15:48] <seb128> broke upower
[15:48] <willcooke> lolz
[15:48] <seb128> then fixed it :p
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:49] <willcooke> - Register snap/squashfs mime types
[15:49] <willcooke> - File-roller support for squashfs
[15:49] <willcooke> - Package updates
[15:49] <willcooke> - LightDM in-session greeter work
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:49] <willcooke> Thanks everyone
[15:49] <willcooke> Anyone got any more topics
[15:49] <willcooke> ?
[15:50] <willcooke> Oh, hiring
[15:50] <willcooke> Had a fair few CVs in
[15:50] <willcooke> Have done some sifting, a little more to do.
[15:50] <willcooke> Will meet with Laney  and seb128 this week
[15:50] <larsu> whoever you take, "larsu" in this channel is taken
[15:50]  * larsu waves hello
[15:50] <willcooke> hey larsu!
[15:50] <seb128> hey larsu ;-)
[15:51] <larsu> funny I dropped in at this moment :)
[15:51] <Trevinho> hey larsu.. Come on, is time to be hired again :)
[15:51] <willcooke> hehe
[15:51] <larsu> you'll just make me fix the theme again :P
[15:52] <willcooke> yup! ;)
[15:52] <seb128> it's being you Laney and willcooke
[15:52] <Trevinho> naaaa... You'll snapify it :)
[15:52] <seb128> :-)
[15:52] <larsu> haha!
[15:52]  * larsu always has that song in his head when he hears "snappy"
[15:52] <willcooke> end of meeting in 10..... 9....
[15:53]  * Trevinho wants to be German to appreciate
[15:53] <seb128> thanks!
[15:54] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:54] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 31 15:54:51 2016 UTC.
[15:54] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-05-31-15.30.moin.txt
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[15:55] <jbicha> Laney: seb128: gnome-todo 3.20 also needs to be pulled from -proposed and rebuilt for the ical transition
[15:57] <rektide> seb128: unfortunately it looks like indicator-bluetooth does not expose a shared library, which indicator-loader3 seems to expect? i tried `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service` and got:
[15:57] <rektide> loading '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-service' failed: Key file contains line '\u007fELF\u0002\u0001\u0001' which is not a key-value pair, group, or comment
[15:58] <rektide> erp, the command i tried was: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-loader3 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/indicator-bluetooth/indicator-bluetooth-servic
[15:58] <seb128> rektide, no, you need to load /usr/share/unity/indicators/com.canonical.indicator.bluetooth
[15:59] <rektide> yess! alright! back in business
[15:59] <rektide> well something ran at least & is onscreen. ;)
[16:00] <seb128> jbicha, Laney, deleted
[16:00] <Laney> hey jbicha, wb
[16:00] <jbicha> Laney: thanks :)
[16:01] <Laney> pitti: is swift still a bit busted?
[16:02] <pitti> Laney: not sure, why? (still in meeting)
[16:02] <Laney> ktnef should have new test results but looks like britney doesn't know about them
[16:02] <Laney> logs have it being put into swift
[16:02] <Laney> britney & autopkgtest.u.c
[16:02] <pitti> Laney: oh, I think  the current failures are just the python RNG timeout again
[16:05] <Laney> pitti: You mean the killed workers?
 failure: Timed out on waiting for ssh connection
[16:06] <Laney> pitti: ktnef didn't do that - it finished but the results aren't visible in the UIs
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: ^ this one
[16:06] <pitti> ah
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: ok, don't know; is it on swift?
[16:06] <Laney> yep
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: could just be debci not catching up
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: britney doesn't see it either?
[16:06] <pitti> Laney: worth looking into the britney logs then whether it gets some 404s or so
[16:08] <Laney> ah man, of course it's caught up now
[16:09] <Laney> maybe IS were still fixing it
[16:09] <rektide> i appear to only get some non-interactive list of categories when i run indicator-loader3. is there anything else i should be running, or some way to get access to the underlying services?
[16:10] <rektide> ah ha! i have to ru nthe service too, then it works!
[16:18] <Trevinho> ah seb128 one thing I forgot to mention is that I've done that patch for gtk crash involving ups... Once desrt can check the menutracker, it would be nice to SRU it
[16:19] <seb128> Trevinho, k, feel free to get the SRU ready and go through ubuntu-sponsors, might help you to get some bonus point to get upload rights ;-)
[16:19] <Trevinho> seb128: debdiffs are already https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1296674
[16:20] <Trevinho> but... I probably should add some g_critical's for upstream...
[16:20] <seb128> k
[16:21] <seb128> if you don't segfault is that still going to load to user visible issues?
[16:21] <Trevinho> seb128: no, also is pretty unknown when the issue hapens
[16:22] <Trevinho> seb128: but it should be when remving some menu entries... Although since menus are shown only when requested I figure this won't create visual issues (personally I got the crash when not plying with anything but running an app)
[16:25] <seb128> k
[16:25] <pitti> seb128: happy to bring a sleeping mattress
[16:26] <pitti> meeting marathon over, time for some dinner
[16:26] <seb128> pitti, enjoy!
[16:26] <seb128> we probably have some of those (need to check to be sure)
[16:26] <pitti> seb128: that'd be nice too; so that means we would essetnially have no hotel costs,  and only negligible travel costs, so willcooke_ and slangasek shouldn't have to bear much budget
[16:26] <seb128> right
[16:26] <pitti> seb128: and it sounds a lot more fun too!
[16:27] <seb128> :-)
[16:27] <seb128> indeed
[16:27] <pitti> seb128: so we either let Laney pick the location, or we play rock-paper-scissors-lizard-spock
[16:27] <seb128> yeah
[16:27] <pitti> bbl
[16:28] <seb128> enjoy your dinner!
[16:29] <Laney> not exacly sure when i'll be available, need to find out
[16:29] <Laney> I probably prefer end July
[16:36] <seb128> same for me
[16:37] <desrt> irccloud has some new layout options.  it kinda looks like telegram now.
[16:37]  * desrt kinda likes it
[17:02] <Laney> night!
[17:02] <willcooke_> cya Laney
[17:04] <larsu> desrt: it's *awesome*
[17:04] <larsu> I've been waiting for them to do something like this
[17:09] <seb128> night Laney!
[17:11] <Trevinho> seb128: about the snap script for launching gtk stuff and various deps parts for integrating with unity7, I think we should move them to the wiki to have just one source for our tools, isn't it?
[17:15] <seb128> Trevinho, the wiki is not really a code hosting solution...
[17:15] <Trevinho> seb128: I do agree
[17:15] <seb128> what's wrong with having the reference example in a vcs?
[17:15] <Trevinho> seb128: but I hope once a better place is decided, then everything will be moved there smoothly
[17:15] <seb128> well the better place is snapcraft itself
[17:16] <seb128> those are only hacks
[17:16] <seb128> they shouldn't be needed and should go away over time
[17:16] <Trevinho> seb128: well, not sure... I think it should allow to have not-centralized parts
[17:16] <Trevinho> well, a centralized repo, with no-centralized parts
[17:17] <seb128> why not
[17:17] <seb128> but that's not a wiki
[17:17] <seb128> unsure what's best meanwhile though
[17:17] <Trevinho> yeah, it was just because we're currently copy and pasting stuff around, and everytime we add/change something with the risk of losing the knowedge we get
[17:17] <seb128> well, the wiki doesn't solve that
[17:18] <seb128> it just add yet another location to update/keep in sync
[17:18] <Trevinho> while using a single repo, were we add generic scripts that can be loaded through a part in the wiki (as it is in for qt5 launcher), then we avoid a little this problem
[17:18] <seb128> sorry but I don't understand the wiki part
[17:18] <seb128> I'm all for having a common wrapper in a vcs
[17:19] <seb128> that's sort of what the gnome-calculator example was supposed to be
[17:19] <seb128> our common playground so we work on the same example
[17:19] <Trevinho> yeah, but once we want to test new things, (as it happened for hello unity) we have to reuse those scripts instead of getting the same from a shared repo
[17:21] <seb128> you mean?
[17:22] <tseliot> mhall119: can you have mvo file a bug report about it, please?
[17:22] <seb128> ideally if there are improvements to do they would be commited to the gnome-calculator version
[17:22] <seb128> then you can copy that one over to your other source
[17:22] <seb128> but sure we can have a reference vcs
[17:23] <seb128> I just think a vcs is better than a wiki
[17:23] <alexarnaud> willcooke_: Hello ! How are you ? Do you have receive my mail about Compiz?
[17:23] <alexarnaud> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1541059
[17:23] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: Do you know why this patch has not been treated by Canonical ?
[17:24] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: it's resolve one of the most difficulty of visual impaired people that is to view their cursor
[17:24] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: ah I can check that
[17:25] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: patches are less visible in my workflow than MPs are
[17:25] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: OK, I note for the future
[17:27] <alexarnaud> thanks in advance for your feedback, you can ping me on freenode or ping my colleague ksamak about the code. I'm visual impaired and I responsible for the quality of the accessibility project at Hypra based on Compiz stack. I test all features submitted to Canonical.
[17:28] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: ok, good
[17:28] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: I'm preparing the MP right now
[17:29] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: MP on launchpad? If you can (I don't know the LP feature) I would like to be in copy ^^ (as CC in e-mail).
[17:30] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: ok, sure
[17:31] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: however things are easy as bzr branch lp:compiz; #hack; bzr commit -m message; bzr push lp:~your-user/compiz/fantastic-branch-name ;-)
[17:31] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: then bzr lp-propose or just use the web UI
[17:41] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: stuff is in https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/showmouse-guides/+merge/296125
[17:43] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: thanks a lot for your rapidity.
[17:43] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: How can we made merge proposal on launchpad?
[17:44] <alexarnaud> Do we need to create branch on LP?
[17:47] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: I wrote that before
[17:47] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: 19:31:40 <Trevinho> alexarnaud: however things are easy as bzr branch lp:compiz; #hack; bzr commit -m message; bzr push lp:~your-user/compiz/fantastic-branch-name ;-)
[17:49] <mhall119> tseliot: he must be EOD, can I file the bug with the info he gave me?
[17:50] <tseliot> mhall119: sure, maybe subscribe him to the bug report, so that he can add more details if needed
[17:50] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: Oh, sorry, I've not see your response.
[17:51] <tseliot> mhall119: oh, and please assign it to me
[17:51] <mhall119> tseliot: what project?
[17:52] <tseliot> mhall119: nvidia-graphics-drivers-361 (the ubuntu source package)
[17:58] <willcooke_> alexarnaud, hey, just checked - and no, I didn't sorry./
[18:00] <alexarnaud> willcooke_: I've talked with didrocks, it seems we can also trying to collaborate with smspillaz.
[18:03] <alexarnaud> willcooke_: our first proposal have been approved  by Trevinho few minutes ago (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/compiz/showmouse-guides/+merge/296125). I believe we will propose all our work on EZoom and Mouse poll (Compiz plugins) soon.
[18:04] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: if you come a day in France I could pay you with beer :).
[18:05] <mhall119> tseliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-361/+bug/1587597 assigned to you and subscribed mvo, thanks
[18:05] <Trevinho> alexarnaud: ehehe, ok... I will.. Or next FOSDEM :-)
[18:07] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: I think I will :).
[18:07] <alexarnaud> See you tomorrow
[18:08] <willcooke_> cool!
[18:08] <willcooke_> back from dinner, but time to go. night all
[18:24] <tseliot> mhall119: thanks
[20:08] <ksamak> Trevinho: thx for looking again.
[20:09] <ksamak> Trevinho: btw, is it worth pinging again, fishing for info on 0.9.12.3 release? related to deb packaging
[22:37] <Trevinho> ksamak: yeah, you're totally right... I'll finish this last compiz landing and I'll do the release