=== batman is now known as thedude [01:35] Howdy y'all [02:03] heylo [03:38] Hi. When I switch windows via Alt+Tab is this the only switcher I have available? The problem I have with this switcher is you can't use the arrow keys to more quickly get to the window you want [03:40] You have to keep pressing Tab until you get to the window you need. This is not comfrotable when you have more than a few windows open. [03:40] shift alt-tab goes in reverse [03:41] yes, but sometimes you also need to go up/down instead going through through rows [03:41] i think it only rotates through the list left,right [03:41] that's the problem [03:42] there are options for window managers [03:42] other switchers allow you to go any direction (withyour arrow keys). I'm using "marco no compositor". If I switch it to marco with compositor or compiz will I get this feature? [03:42] not sure that I've seen an alt-tab switcher do that before. [03:43] ask on #ubuntu (busier) or mate/ubuntu forums [03:43] ubuntu forums is very busy [03:43] this is sort of questin (window manager), that they will readily answer .. it is a general question, about functionality, not a problem [03:43] have you tried switching to compiz and installing the compiz configurator? [03:44] bdragonsl, well, almost all fancy DEs have this feature but they exaggerate averything [03:44] nomic, by busy do you mean I have a good chance of finding the answer there, or do you mean it's so busy I'll have to wait [03:45] nvm, hadn't seen your last comment nomic [03:45] im saying there are busier places to [03:45] ok [03:45] ask [03:45] bdragonsl, I'm thinking of switiching to compiz but I really like the simplicity of marco [03:45] 93 peeps in here ... normally 1900 in #ubuntu [03:47] yeah, I'll ask them [03:48] I don't think that marco is just that, simple and no frills. It's why they use it. If you want the fancier stuff you have to use something like compiz for that. Compiz isn't all that bad from what I've seen. [03:48] or used. [03:49] I definitely dont want the fancier stuff, just the switcher feature [03:49] if you get the configurator you can disable pretty much everything that it does and just get the stuff that you do want. [03:50] you don't have to have all the fancy transitions and stuff. They just set that as defaults [03:50] hmmmmm [03:52] * WattisLove switiching to compiz now and willing to do all the configuration, but hoping not to lose his current top panel setup [03:53] the window manager really doesn't mess with that sort of stuff. [03:54] Hey, I tried marco with compositor and I got the nice switcher [03:54] Just in case you know, Is there anyway to only enable this switcher feature without having to enable the whole compositor? [03:55] em, actually no, it still doesn't let you go up/down [03:55] I switched to compiz, I like all the bells and whistles, but need to install the settings app so I can configure all the window management since none of it is set by default. But I'm being lazy right now. [04:01] I was a bit distracted comparing software compositor hardware compositor etc. I'm now on compiz and the switcher list is only one horizontal row. I think I recall knoppiz which also uses compiz by default has the switcher set up in a grid fashion so that you can go any direction. I guess I have some researching and configuring to do [05:25] hi [10:05] Hello! I am a new user of Linux and I have decided to try several dystros, one of them being Ubuntu Mate. I am a user of Orca, and I am running Ubuntu Mate on a VM. When I turn the VM on from the Live CD, after hearing the startup sound, the sound seems to mute. Is there any command to turn up the volume again? Thanks! [10:08] sukil: If you're using the live CD/live USB, things are going to be slightly difficult...however, the OS will respond to the volume keys on most keyboards...and as well, there is a volume icon on the menu bar on the top of the screen...(or should be) [10:10] YankDownUnder: OK, let me try the volume keys. [10:17] YankDownUnder: No, they don't work [10:17] YankDownUnder: Can this be done using the command line? [10:19] sukil: In the live CD/USB you should just be able to adjust the sound from the icon on the menu bar at the top of the screen...but that also depends on the desktop that you're using...but in most instances, it's going to be in the upper right hand side of the menubar... [10:20] YankDownUnder: OK, I'll get a pair of eyes to help me then :) [10:20] YankDownUnder: Thank you very much [10:21] sukil: If you open a terminal, you can try just typing "alsamixer" - and see if it's installed in the live CD/USB [10:21] Hmm... === Prince is now known as Guest31990 [10:53] hola [10:53] ubuntu mate is so beautiful [10:54] i am new here [10:55] This is weird. Now I've got sound, but I can't seem to do anything with Orca. [10:55] Tried with Alt+ctrl+T and Alt+F1 [10:56] No feedback, yet I know the first command works, as I can type "espeak hello" and it works [11:29] sukil: Have you gone over: http://www.semicomplete.com/blog/geekery/disabling-battery-in-ubuntu-vms.html ??? Just wondering [11:31] YankDownUnder: No, but I don't use a battery, this is a desktop computer. [11:32] sukil: Sorry...wrong URL...my bad... [11:33] sukil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility [11:33] NOT power related, not battery related... [11:33] hi [11:43] hi nighthawk_ [11:43] sukil, your Orca problem was solved? [11:45] is theres any solution about amd drivers ? for ubuntu 16.04 [11:58] Well, yes and no. I've got sound (I believe thanks to alsamixer) but Orca seems to not be working properly. I've tried pressing alt+F1 and alt+ctrl+t and it doesn't give any feedback [11:59] sukil: Is that still using the liveCD/USB? [12:00] YankDownUnder: Yup. And I've read the info on the link you sent previously, I already knew that. [12:01] sukil: Ok...so, you're STILL using only the liveCD/USB...and, um, you do know that the real functionality is going to come after it's properly installed, correct? "liveCD/USB" does not imply a complete and solid "installation" in any sense of the word...hmm? [12:02] YankDownUnder: So what does the "Try Ubuntu" button do? [12:02] sukil, did you try starting Orca in the terminal? [12:02] sukil, by typing "orca" after opening the terminal with CTRL+ALT+T [12:03] ouroumov__: Yes, I did, Orca starts properly after I recover sound [12:24] OK, it seems I *do* have sound when Ubuntu Mate starts, only that alt+super+S doesn't start Orca. I start Orca from the Terminal (alt+ctrl+T, type orca) and I can "see" the install screen properly. I'm installing it now, let's see if I can use it after that with no problems. [12:24] Thanks to everyone, will report back. [12:30] good luck sukil [12:40] hallo [13:15] Even more weird. Installed Ubuntu Mate, Orca went off after completing the installation. So for rebooting I powered off my VM and removed the CD. I powered on the VM and now the only thing displayed (according to NVDA's OCR function) is "ubuntu MATE". [13:15] Sorry for being so tiresome [13:26] sukil: what did you expect it to have? [13:27] gordonjcp: Well... A desktop? The startup sound played? Orca speaking? [13:33] okay, so what is it actually doing? [13:39] gordonjcp: I don't know. The only thing I can read is Ubuntu Mate. I can't enable Orca, and the terminal doesn't seem to even open. [13:40] uh [13:41] is it possible to boot it in verbose mode, and see if the boot process is getting stuck? [13:42] gordonjcp, he won't see a lot [13:42] hence the need for orca [13:42] hm [13:42] Oh wait [13:42] sukil, you might be on the login screen [13:43] try typing your password, then enter, then CTRL+ALT+T, then orca [13:43] damn, true [13:46] Well, I can't seem to solve it. I'll bother my family [14:12] Huh? Now Orca turns off for no apparent reason [14:53] hi all - trying to run kodi on ubuntu mate on a pi but when it launches it just presents a blank screen and then crashes after about 30secs [14:53] anyone had a similar experience? [15:24] found this discussion on the subject https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/kodi-on-ubuntu-mate/4154 [15:35] Hi. - looking for help to make 1 key-chord to a non-existent key on my chromebook2. [15:36] Havent figured out the keyboard shortcuts applet for this - assuming it is possible. [15:36] Need to be mapped to the normal DELETE key. Ideas? [15:38] Mapping for applications is working fine - have chords working for email, browsers, passwd manager, calculator, etc ... [15:39] Would xdotool be the way? [16:04] so, not possible? [16:27] hi jp_ [16:28] jp_, I don't think you can do that with classic network settings [16:28] I'm sure you can do it though, cause I did something similar for my father's laptop a few years back [16:28] I don't remember what that was though, and I've to go out for a while [16:29] jp_: so you want to actually generate ? [16:29] gordonjcp, no the opposite [17:06] Hi, somebody there ? [17:07] yes [17:07] hi ubuntu-mate [17:44] Hi, I'm having some trouble with Teamviewer on 16.04. And I couldn't get anywhere with the fucking rep over the damn phone. [17:44] hi sweetlew [17:45] sweetlew, can you describe the problem some? [17:46] Yeah, it's saying that it can't connect due to me possibly running a proxy server. I tried to check, and haven't been able to com up with anything. Teamviewer rep was like "We only deal with licensed customers, not free users." I'M PISSED. [17:47] So, how can I check about whether or not I'm running a proxy, and how do I resolve my issue with Teamviewer without resorting to going to the HQ and choking somebody out? [17:47] Yeah, so what's most likely happening here is that your IP was put in a VPN / Proxy list and the teamviewer guys decided to screw you over. [17:47] There is nothing you can do. [17:48] yeah, well how can I fix that? Warning: No/you can't/anything of that nature is NOT an acceptable answer. [17:49] hm [17:49] I need teamviewer to do a backup job before I reformat an HD. [17:50] See, the problem here is that you basically have to change your IP. [17:51] Ok, how do I do that? [17:51] There's a couple of ways to do that, but there is no way to predict whether the new IP will be on the same blacklist. [17:52] First option to change your IP is to connect to the Tor network. However, Tor exit nodes are usually blacklisted AND the bandwidth will be shitty. [17:52] Yeah, well, I need one that apparently isn't blacklisted like yesterday. [17:52] Second option is: you move yourself to another location such as as public Wifi hotspot, your workplace, your friend's home [17:53] I can't. This is a desktop, and I need teamviewer to be able to do this, like NOW. [17:54] Third option: spin up a VPS using a cheap VPS provider, and use it as a Proxy or VPN. This has no guaranty to succeed and this will require you to pay money. [17:54] Also, this will require some time to set up. [17:54] And I don't want to do Tor, because I don't want Feds knocking on my door for shit that I'm not involved in. [17:55] As for the third option, free is pretty much all I can afford. [17:56] So, yeah. [17:57] So yeah, unless you happen to have a VPN access to your work or something like that, I'm out of options [17:57] No, I don't. [17:57] GOD FUCKING DAMNIT!!! [17:58] I need this to damn work! [17:58] You don't have any way to trigger the backup other than teamviewer? [17:59] I do, but I requires me to move stuff around and clog up room on my desk. I was trying to fucking avoid that. [18:00] Who puts these IPs on blacklists? [18:01] Depends what list they're using. Could be something the Teamviewer guys maintain themselves, and since support won't answer your questions, there's no way to know. [18:01] Yeah, well, I've had it with being fucked over. [18:02] Maybe we oughtta all call their number and demand answers. [18:02] And say what? 'The service you provide for no money is shitty' ? [18:03] No, about the blacklisted IPs. [18:03] Oh [18:04] And keep calling them until they tell us. [18:04] I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing you, but there's also the option to not use teamviewer. [18:05] Although yeah, that won't be free. [18:07] Any other alternatives that will work around this proxy bs? [18:07] *free alternatives [18:09] Well I don't know of any. Maybe someone else here does but I suspect they would have already jumped in if they were reading our conversation. [18:09] ssh? vnc? dont know if those will fit for your needs. I use ssh to manage 30+ systems fine. [18:09] Would setting up a samba share work? [18:09] Sorry - I stepped away. [18:10] I wouldnt use samba over the internet without a full, secure, IPSec-based VPN. [18:10] jp_: I'm experiencing a bullshit issue with Teamviewer, and their excuse for a rep was no help. [18:11] Ive nver used TV. Never saw the need. [18:11] sweetlew, I was assuming you're using teamviewer because the IP of the target machine was not directly exposed to the Internet. Was I making a wrong assumption? [18:12] If they are behind a firewall, then they can start an ssh session to your systems, which must be on the internet. [18:12] ourourmov: I was trying to run it from my desktop, and it says "Not ready. Please check your connection." I'm using my desktop right now to chat here. [18:13] So, my connection is working great. [18:13] Or at least have whatever TCP port you like forwarded from the router into the system. Once that connection is up, you should be able to get back into their system. [18:13] jp_:How do I do that? [18:13] jp_, I don't think there's anyone on site to do what he wants [18:14] sweetlew, am I wrong? [18:14] Of course, Im leaving out lots of little details like DDNS, router ports, firewall rules, installing openssh-server on your side ... but these are all pretty well-known in the Linux community. [18:15] hi [18:15] ourourmov: I don't know. I just want this resolved, so that I can get on with doing the backup. [18:15] hi mario_ [18:15] hi [18:15] On the far side, they just need an ssh client - to connect to your server. If they are behind a corporate firewall, depending on the corporation security, it could be easy, difficult, or impossible. [18:16] Which backup tool do they use? Is it shell or does it require a GUI? [18:16] Oh ... and what OS does the remote guy run? [18:16] ubuntu mate viva [18:17] sweetlew, can you describe the situation of the other machine ? Where it's at, what the network setup is like, if there's people around you can reach, what OS is running on it, and so on? [18:17] mario_, indeed. ^^ [18:18] All I'm trying to do is transfer files from a sluggish Dell Inspiron 1501 to a backup drive that's connected to my desktop. I've been able to use Teamviewer to transfer files back and forth using the desktop before, so I really don't see why it wouldn't work now. [18:18] Besides the IP issue. [18:19] For file transfers, I use sftp. [18:19] jp_: how? [18:19] sftp is enabled by using the openssh-server package. [18:20] Alright sweetlew, so do you have direct network access to the Dell Inspiron? Are you on the same LAN? [18:20] Then any Linux file browser with URL like ssh://10.1.1.240/path/to/directory [18:20] ourourmov: I have to connect it to my router via ethernet. [18:20] All of this works over the normal ssh port. [18:21] sweetlew, and right now you're connected on the same router? [18:21] jp_:I really don't understand ssh, so can you please ELI5? ourourmov: yes. [18:21] I generally dont work with desktop people much ... is ssh a foreign concept here? [18:21] sweetlew, great [18:22] sweetlew, then why in the hell were you using teamviewer in the first place? [18:22] sweetlew, OK, is the other machine running Linux too? [18:22] It's currently running Ubuntu Mate 16.04 on a live disk. [18:22] So - both machines are running linux? Yes or no? [18:23] jp_: They're both running Ubuntu Mate 16.04. [18:23] Awesome. [18:23] Are they both on the same network? [18:23] ourourmov: Because I didn't feel like moving a lot of stuff around. [18:24] jp_: Let me dig out an ethernet cable and connect the laptop. [18:24] If the laptop isnt on a network, how would teamviewer work? [18:24] I can't believe both machine are on the same net. If I'd known that earlier... [18:25] Im thinking we install openssh-server on both systems, then he can use sftp from either one to transfer files. [18:25] Wouldnt hurt to install fail2ban as well. [18:26] BTW, there are sftp clients for every networked OS that I know or have ever heard about. [18:26] I'm thinking he already has UM installed on his laptop so he installs openssh-server there, than rsync from the live session on the desktop to his laptop [18:26] then * [18:27] Whats UM? [18:27] Ubuntu MATE [18:27] Ah ... Im such a noob. Just started using Mate 2 days ago. [18:28] No problem, I'm like the only one to say that often enough that it warrants being abbreviated [18:28] Im TheFu on the ubuntu forums. Been around Linux 25-ish yrs. [18:28] Ok, so I hooked the cable into the Inspiron, and it keeps saying "Disconnected". The other end is plugged into the router. === Guest51939 is now known as randyw|away [18:29] sweetlew, the inspiron has two network cards? [18:29] ourourmov: I'm not sure. [18:29] Or is it wifi and wired? [18:30] ssh/sftp/rsync work over wifi too. [18:30] It can handle both wi-fi and wired, but only when using the HD, which has windows 7 on it. [18:30] Win7 is fine as the client machine ... use WinSCP as the SFTP client. [18:31] sweetlew, we want that: "inspiron ==cable== router and laptop ==cable== router" or "inspiron ==cable== laptop" [18:31] Need to step away for about 10 min ... sorry. [18:32] The cable is connected between the Inspiron and router. [18:32] Good, and your laptop is connected to the router too? [18:32] Inspiron = laptop. [18:33] okay, so is your desktop connected to the router too? [18:33] ourourmov: Yes. [18:33] Perfect [18:34] Now, please tell me again: your laptop has Ubuntu MATE installed, and your desktop has booted from the live USB? [18:35] No. My desktop has Ubuntu MATE installed, and the Inspiron is running it off of a live DVD. [18:35] Okay. [18:35] Go to your desktop, and install the package OpenSSH. You can find it in the software boutique in the 'Server' category. [18:37] Ok. The Inspiron is still saying "disconnected". [18:37] So, I now have OpenSSH installed on the desktop. What next? [18:38] Next, let's fix the connection problem on the laptop. Did you manage to connect it earlier (to your home wifi or something?) [18:40] It can connect to the wireless in Win7. But, it runs sluggish in Win7, which is why I wanted to use the live DVD for the backup. I'm doing the backup before I format the HD and re-install Win7. [18:41] Okay, but we need to connect it to your home network under Linux before we can do anything. [18:42] Is your home router using dynamic addressing (DHCP) [ yes / no / dunno ] [18:42] dunno [18:42] Okay, plan B. [18:42] What's plan B? [18:43] Wait, Plan B will but you off from the internet, I hadn't though of that, damn [18:43] cut* [18:43] Can you connect your laptop to your wifi network? [18:44] Not while running the live disk. [18:44] And the cable connection isn't working either? [18:44] Maybe I can boot Win7 in safe mode w/networking. [18:45] You can do that, but then I won't know what you can do. It's been over 6 years since I last used Windows. [18:46] Ok. [18:47] Why can't you connect to the wifi with the live disk? do you get an error or something? [18:48] ourourmov: It doesn't come up as an option. [18:49] sweetlew, you mean when you click the network icon in the top right corner you don't see your wifi network? [18:49] nope [18:50] Does your laptop have a hardware kill switch for the wifi or a key combination to enable / disable wifi and have you tried toggling that? [18:50] I just tried to reconnect the cable to my router. [18:51] Yeah, Fn + f2, and I already tried it. [18:52] Do you think rebooting the disk would work? [18:52] And I take it the cable is still not working? [18:52] sweetlew, no [18:53] ourourmov: No. Let me look and see if I have another cable. [18:53] okay [18:54] I do. [18:56] Is it working any better? [18:56] dunno yet. [19:01] Got it! [19:01] It's working? [19:01] Yes! [19:01] Great [19:01] Just saw this about TeamViewer ... seems they are probably REALLY busy today. http://www.inquisitr.com/3156809/teamviewer-accounts-hacked-thousands-of-customers-vulnerable/ [19:02] jp_: lol [19:02] jp_: I did have an account with them, but even then, I was using their free option. [19:02] Paypal + bank accounts are being emptied. [19:03] ourourmov: So what next? [19:03] Just be certain you never use the same credentials in multiple places ... different userid / different password (that cant be guessed). [19:03] sweetlew, okay so now from the desktop, please type the command: "sudo ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999" and give us the resulting URL. [19:03] sweetlew, to type the command open the terminal using CTRL+ALT+T [19:04] sweetlew, actually you don't need the 'sudo' part [19:04] ourourmov: http://termbin.com/k6vp [19:04] sweetlew, just 'ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999' [19:04] great [19:04] okay [19:05] sweetlew, so the IP of your desktop machine in your local network is 192.168.1.4 [19:05] Ok. [19:05] Now, you'll need to type a few more commands [19:05] toss them my way. [19:06] First, on your desktop, go to the backup drive and create a folder to receive the file [19:06] files * [19:06] example: cd /media/sweetlew/DRIVE && mkdir laptop-backup -- you can also do that from the regular file explorer [19:07] Please give us the result of "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" typed in the desktop [19:08] ourourmov: Done and done. http://termbin.com/gf6u [19:09] sdc1 is my backup drive. [19:10] Okay so assuming the folder you created on the drive is named "laptop-backup", you only have one more command to type, this time from the laptop [19:10] I titled the folder "Inspiron Backup". [19:10] Okay [19:10] So the command would be: [19:11] I have the terminal up and running on there. [19:11] Oh wait I forgot one detail [19:11] what? [19:12] On the laptop please click on the drive you want to backup from the file explorer so that it gets mounted and you can browse the files inside, then execute the command "df -h | nc termbin.com 9999" on the laptop and give us the URL [19:13] Ok, it'll take a bit. [19:13] no problem [19:15] ourourmov: http://termbin.com/2afq [19:15] Perfect, so your windows drive is '01CFB6DCF8C8C000' [19:16] Then from the laptop, now type the command: [19:17] what command? [19:17] hang on, it takes a while to type [19:17] ok. [19:18] rsync -azv /media/ubuntu-mate/01CFB6DCF8C8C000/ lewis@192.168.1.4:/media/lewis/My\ Book/Inspiron\ Backup/ [19:19] You will be asked for the password for the user 'lewis' on the desktop [19:21] is there supposed to be a space after before "lewis@192.168.1.4"? [19:21] *before [19:21] before lewis yes [19:21] rsync syntax is rsync -options [19:23] If you get an error message please do say so. [19:24] rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) [19:24] crap [19:24] No more details? [19:24] hang on. [19:26] sweetlew, btw you know you can connect your laptop to the chat and copy the command from your laptop [19:27] Hi there! [19:27] hi mate|48976 [19:28] Ok, I will. BRB. [19:28] sweetlew, you don't have to quit th [19:28] is one.... [19:30] sweetlew, you don't have to quit th [19:30] is one.... [19:30] rsync -azv /media/ubuntu-mate/01CFB6DCF8C8C000/ lewis@192.168.1.4:/media/lewis/My\ Book/Inspiron\ Backup/ [19:30] Dont forget to add -vv to get more verbose output from rsync. ;) [19:30] Right [19:31] rsync -azvvv /media/ubuntu-mate/01CFB6DCF8C8C000/ lewis@192.168.1.4:/media/lewis/My\ Book/Inspiron\ Backup/ [19:31] Is there some kind of path to ubuntu-mate development as a newbie programmer? I need ideas... [19:31] And ... --progress --stats are handy once this starts working. [19:31] rsync: mkdir "/media/lewis/My" failed: Permission denied (13) [19:31] rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.1] [19:31] ARe you asking how to program or how to be a Mate-only on Ubuntu programmer? [19:32] chmod ... [19:32] mate|48976, there's something called "MATE University" on the github repo. I'm myself waiting on an answer to that question. I know flexiondotorg (Wimpy) is working on documenting the development landscape but he hasn't published the doc yet [19:32] But that looks like a gvfs mount ... hummmm. Need an ls -al //media/ubuntu-mate/01* [19:33] sweetlew, did you add the antislashes? (\) [19:33] There is no space before those [19:33] Like the combination [19:33] ourourmov: Yes. [19:33] sweetlew, okay, try this: [19:33] @mate ... what languages do you already know? [19:34] I need an idea as a newbie [19:34] sweetlew, this is space problem. Protip: never use spaces in file names / directory names [19:35] jp_: you know how to deal with spaces in rsync? I don't remember. [19:35] I don't much c, c++. I'm reading an engineering and archuture books. [19:35] 100% agree to NOT using funny characters, including spaces, in any file/directory names. [19:35] Use single-quotes around each part. [19:35] I don't know much I mean [19:36] sweetlew, so try this: [19:36] @mate http://blog.jdpfu.com/2011/10/19/how-to-learn-to-program ... is my best suggestions for learning to program. Not Linux specific. [19:36] rsync -azvvv /media/ubuntu-mate/01CFB6DCF8C8C000/ 'lewis@192.168.1.4:/media/lewis/My Book/Inspiron Backup/' [19:36] sweetlew, note I added single quotes. [19:37] I would like some kind of path to become a software architect from scracth. [19:37] Or use easier regex to complete the path ... but the issue is #13 - permission denied, correct? [19:37] rsync: mkdir "/media/lewis/My" failed: Permission denied (13) [19:37] rsync error: error in file IO (code 11) at main.c(674) [Receiver=3.1.1] [19:37] [Receiver] _exit_cleanup(code=11, file=main.c, line=674): about to call exit(11) [19:37] [sender] _exit_cleanup(code=11, file=io.c, line=1633): about to call exit(11) [19:37] rsync: [sender] write error: Broken pipe (32) [19:38] jp_, that's cause "My" doesn't exist [19:38] Ah .. my mistake. [19:38] I like linux. I'm thinking to read about the linux interfaces. [19:38] rsync -azvvv --progress --stats /media/ubuntu-mate/01CFB6DCF8C8C000/ lewis@192.168.1.4:/media/lewis/My*/Inspi*Backup/ [19:38] about to read [19:38] sweetlew, try what jp_ said [19:39] I dislike gvfs mounts - to the extreme! [19:39] jp_, I didn't know you could autocomplete the paths in rsync. Thanks for the tip [19:39] Not autocomplete - just regex. [19:39] ourourmov and jp_: Keep your fingers crossed. [19:39] sweetlew, *o* [19:40] You can put * almost anywhere you dont like typing and if there isnt a conflict, it will work ... in most shells. Definitely in bash. [19:40] Ok, it's good source to read. [19:40] mate|48976, there's a nice book called "The Linux Programming Interface". It's kind of heavy as books go though. [19:42] I learned programming back in the early 80s. BASIC, FORTRAN66 ... then about 30 other languages over the years. Did cross-platform C/C++ for about a decade. [19:42] Should I be comfortable with this book only? [19:42] I think noobs to programming are best served by learning python. [19:42] mate|48976, depends what kind of stuff you want to architect. [19:42] ouroumov and jp_: How long should this take? [19:43] mate|48976, as jp_ said. Learn Python. [19:43] Depends on the network speed. [19:43] a need the big picture [19:43] brb. [19:43] Find a mentor. [19:43] For programming ... someone who does what you want to do. [19:43] sweetlew, yeah, it's capped by the lowest-performing network interface in the connection between your laptop and your desktop [19:44] Or by slow disk performance ... which is usually the issue on GigE networks. OF course, a 100base-tx or any wifi network will be slower than modern HDDs. [19:45] Anyone here in SE USA? [19:45] I'm in South France [19:46] Spent a day in Provence then Nice a few years ago ... [19:47] Not enough time in Provence [19:47]