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mardympt: hi! Just filed bug 1587829; this should be an easy fix when you have a few minutes to spare10:56
ubot5bug 1587829 in ubuntuone-credentials (Ubuntu) "Password error message is not localized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158782910:56
ccogra_ i mean "wechat",not"weechat"11:08
ccchinese call it "wei xin'"11:08
robinheromardy, here's a same bug report with missing translation on Ubuntu One: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/136878811:28
ubot5Launchpad bug 1368788 in Ubuntu Translations "Ubuntu One T&C string/link not in pot file" [High,Triaged]11:28
mardyrobinhero: thanks, it's similar but also quite different, in that the string is coming from the project and is properly marked for translations; it's just that the translations template must be rebuilt11:30
mardyrobinhero: I'll add a comment to that bug11:30
robinheroI've just getting a newsletter about OTA-11, and this is from FB: "OTA 11 is out! And we've gone wireless - .. etc" so have this already released?12:12
ogra_it is released once the release announcement hits the mailing list ... and i guess sil2100 will also update the channel topic here12:14
sil2100Yes :)12:14
popeyyeah, it's in progress12:14
ogra_and even then ... it is phased :)12:14
sil2100Yeah, it's in progress still12:14
sil2100Had some unforseen interruptions but we're proceeding forward12:14
sil2100Should be fully released in the nearest hour12:14
robinherothanks for the info :)12:15
s`where can you see changelogs etc?12:16
ogra_i think they will be linked in the release announcement12:17
s`ogra_: and where do i get the announcement? email?12:18
ogra_on the phone mailing list, yes12:18
s`ok i think i havent subscribed12:18
sil2100There will be one soonish12:19
ogra_just join that team and you are auto-subscribed12:19
sil2100There's also a separate 'announcement-only' mailing list, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-announce , but we treat that one read-only12:20
robinheroRelease notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-1112:23
robinheroCommit log: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ota/ota-11.commitlog12:23
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* SebthreeBQM10HD is sebsebseb13:22
SebthreeBQM10HDanyone about?13:23
SebthreeBQM10HDom26er, ping13:36
om26erSebthreeBQM10HD, pong, nice nick.13:37
SebthreeBQM10HDom26er, he h indeed I guess :)13:37
SebthreeBQM10HDom26er, I think it was you I talked with a few times about the libertine hack etc for example , maybe not though ?13:37
* SebthreeBQM10HD is sebsebseb13:37
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, which libertine hack?13:38
om26erSebthreeBQM10HD, we haven't talked about Libertine, no. might be someone else13:38
SebthreeBQM10HDom26er, yeah ogra maybe13:39
SebthreeBQM10HDbut oh even better bregma is here :d13:39
* bregma hides13:39
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, the unoffical one for purtine. apparantly ota 11 is out now though accoding to omg ubuntu though13:39
bregma's what I hear13:39
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma,  they didn't say much about libertine in there blog post, and I am wondering about the actsual libertine changes and what they are :d13:39
SebthreeBQM10HDis it a load easier to install additional x programs in some kind of offical way now ?13:40
SebthreeBQM10HDor not13:40
SebthreeBQM10HDthe scope ? or something ?13:40
bregmaI see I have a 756 MB update waiting on my m10, but with my bandwidth I have not finished downloading it yet13:41
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah I haven't checked just yet13:41
bregmathere should be some key bugfixes in the stack, and the libertine scope should be available in the store now13:41
SebthreeBQM10HDok and with the libertine scope can  install well nearly any x program ?13:42
bregmawhich means you still need to create a container and install your packages in it using the command line, but should be able to discover and launch through the libertine scope13:42
SebthreeBQM10HDwill the liberitne scope make a contianer on it's own if  trying to get a program from it or not?  yep not used that yet so13:42
bregmalibertiner scope just discoveres and launches apps already installed in a a container13:43
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, heh if libertine can run most x programs and well  in the future let's say :).  maybe that can help kill off the Ubuntu should support Android apps debate :d.  no  need, got thousands of desktop linux programs instead :D and native apps13:43
ogra_well, android apps have different problems13:44
bregmaAndroid apps already run on Android, I don't see the need to make them run on Ubuntu13:44
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, yeah adverts for a start uh, for most :d13:44
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, that's kind of my point, even less so if can run lots of x programs well :d13:45
SebthreeBQM10HDand more nativ apps will come to13:45
ogra_(and i honestly dont want to use libreoffice on my phone in non-desktop mode ... i doubt supporting Xorg apps will move the focus away from foreign mobile apps)13:45
SebthreeBQM10HDlibre office is fine on tablet13:45
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, i dont mean adverts ... you wouldnt be able to navigate (no back button in ubuntu) ... they wouldnt be able to access anything on the system (confinement) ...13:46
ogra_there are a ton of such issues that sum up ...13:46
SebthreeBQM10HDhmm so libertine scope is like instad of having to make ones own desktop icon ?13:46
bregmathe long game for Ubuntu is snappy packagaing for everything13:46
ogra_theoretically yu could ship an android runtime env inside your click and just run your android apps13:46
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yes13:46
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, a libertine "store" is in the works, but not until a lot of issues with libertine apps get worked out first13:47
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, so would still have to do some command  line stuff to get stuff on there though hmm, but in a future app should be able to do it all graphically ?13:47
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yes13:47
SebthreeBQM10HDyeah that's what you basically told me befor I think the libertine store will be coming but not yet13:47
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, there is also the libertine GUI management app, I'm not sure if that's in the store or not13:48
SebthreeBQM10HDmaybe in that unoffical store hmm13:48
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, if I do the hack for purtine first, no stil not done that,  then upgrade to ota 11 or whatever,  use the scope.  it would use that as my container ?13:51
ogra_not sure what you mean, can you re-phrase that ?13:52
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, the purtine hack that you used  that edits the purtine container for more programs right?  but with that libertine scope could use it with that?13:53
ogra_the libertine howto creates a new container in /home/phablet13:53
ogra_in which you then can install additional apps13:53
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, ok but need ota 11 for that yeah?  henc e before why there was that hack13:54
ogra_i dont think anything changed in that regard13:54
bregmawith OTA-11 you should no longer need any hacks13:54
SebthreeBQM10HDor  ota 11 is so that scope is in the store13:54
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, exactly that's what I was thinking13:54
ogra_bregma, so the symlink for the ContainerManager.json is gone ?13:55
ogra_(or how that was called)13:55
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, that's what I Was trying to find out if ota 11 would then make that hack that got linked to before for puritne, no longer needed, and it seems going by what ogra put and you that yes that's the case13:55
bregmathe code was fixed so it merges things correctly13:55
ogra_awesome !13:55
bregmaevidently the scope is not yet in the store, because of process issues13:56
bregmawe'll get them cleared soon, it seems you need to send the boys around to break someone's arm to get software in the store13:57
SebthreeBQM10HDprocess issues? got to go through an accepting stage? or what did you mean by that?13:57
bregmawhich might explain why there are so few apps13:57
* ogra_ doesnt care about the scope ... being able to create a container without any hacks is already good enough 13:57
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yeah plus thee's an unoffical store as well, where certain things are, but it's the main one that needs the apps :D13:57
ogra_bregma, you just need to re-pack everything as snap ... and voila you will be a first lcass citizen ;)13:58
bregmaI think that since this is an official Canonical app we need to go through extra reviews and jump through extra hoops so we don't tarnish our reputation by publishing crap13:58
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, yep not having to use a hack is good, but not having to use the command line at all for any of that is even better, but it seems the second is for later on some time13:58
bregma*my* software is not crap but I have to prove it to others first13:59
bregmaogra_, when snaps are supported on the phone or tablet, we will be there13:59
SebthreeBQM10HDbregma, yeah I understand I thinik, extra QA etc you mean basicaly ?13:59
ogra_yeah :)13:59
bregmaSebthreeBQM10HD, yes, basically13:59
ogra_you have to pass the davmor2-test14:00
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, your purtine stuff becomes serpate though?  if you do it the offical way after :D ?14:01
dobeythe problem is that with adding extra read/write paths to the apparmor profile means it needs manual review14:01
ogra_"my purtine stuff" ?14:01
dobeybut i thought that was done already14:01
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, purtine hack14:01
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, x programs14:01
ogra_i dont know of any such "hack"14:01
SebthreeBQM10HDuh who linked to that :D14:01
ogra_i'm just using the preinstalled tools to create a container and install apps14:01
SebthreeBQM10HDanyway seems it's no longer needed so that's good :)14:01
ogra_there is nothing hackish in that14:01
ogra_(apart from removing that one link which is obviously fixed in OTA11)14:02
SebthreeBQM10HDwhich one link :d ?14:02
ogra_the one that is described in the first paragraph of the howto that someone wrote14:03
SebthreeBQM10HDoh and yeah not tried so I don't know now h eh14:03
SebthreeBQM10HDbut ok14:03
SebthreeBQM10HDI guess14:03
SebthreeBQM10HDI am thinking what link14:03
ogra_libertine-container-manager is a preinstalled tool ... i'm just using it ...14:04
SebthreeBQM10HDanyway fine  my question got answerd :)  with OTA 11 should be able to do the programs in a more offical way,  using commands for container, but scope is coming for the icon stuff to14:04
ogra_right ...14:05
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, now for a a diffent question :d  why do you think Ubuntu should not support Android apps :D ?14:05
ogra_you will still have to install the apps yourself ... and you will most likely do that in a new container since the shipped one is readonly though14:05
ogra_SebthreeBQM10HD, i explained it above14:05
SebthreeBQM10HDyes I was thinking something like that to14:05
SebthreeBQM10HDdon't have to change the purtine one,  so would use a new container14:06
SebthreeBQM10HDI might try and hack purtine first and do some factory reset after that though, I want to factory re set this tablet anyway at some stage14:06
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, no back button in ubuntu with android apps?14:07
SebthreeBQM10HDif were to have14:07
ogra_well, you have none of the traditional android navigation elemets ...14:07
ogra_you wont have any access to the filesystem outside of your install dir, wont have any access to any hardware etc etc14:08
ogra_their functionality would be extremely limited14:08
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, hmm maybe but would run in some emulater anyway I Guess like Jolla and Tizen ?14:08
ogra_that wouldnt change a thing14:09
ogra_app confinement wont let them access what they are used to acces14:09
SebthreeBQM10HDno control from the touch GUI or very little your trying to say?14:09
ogra_no matter if you have an extra emulator layer or not inbetween14:09
SebthreeBQM10HDnot enough Android like on the back end as well?14:09
SebthreeBQM10HDyou mean so14:09
ogra_they might run but would be very degraded14:09
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, well loads of people seem to think that Ubuntu Touch could support Android apps, just Mark Canonical etc don't want to14:10
SebthreeBQM10HDas a way to try and getp eople to make ntaive apps14:10
ogra_feel free to provide patches and stuff to make them work14:10
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, I meant in genral, and I was thinking of putting something like, and are those people ignorant :d ?14:10
ogra_but even if you run them, the different security models will make them work very limited14:11
=== sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | https://store.bq.com/en/ubuntu-edition-aquaris-m10 | http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | OTA-11 phased upgrades in progress!
* ogra_ hugs sil2100 14:11
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, here's a stupid question :d  or a bit of a silly one, but maybe not, I will ask anyway :).  let's say that earlier mentioend purtine hack is done, some new programs on yeah yeah.  but then you factory reset the tablet, you lose evertyhing you did to purtine as well?  and where is purtine actusally on the device as well14:12
ogra_since the container lives in your homedir and the homedir gets formatted on factory reset, yes, the container will be gone14:13
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, and the default home dir stuff is in the re set I guess, so back to standard purtine after that  no container14:14
ogra_(only the one in the readonly image will stay)14:14
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, which is the one with FIrefox etc default apps?  but then no user settings to them those would go ? I guess14:14
ogra_note that we are not talking about purtine ... stop calling it that :) it is libertine14:15
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, well the hack is for the default purrinte/liberitne tablet stuff :d14:15
ogra_right, firefox, xchat, gedit libreoffice ... they are inside the image14:15
ogra_also stop calling it a hack, it isnt a hack, it is "using the tools in their intended function" :)14:16
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, I think I am going to try that hack before factory re setting, then after that I'll have a container but in the more offical way :d14:16
ogra_"libertine-container-manager create" is a command thats there on purpose14:16
SebthreeBQM10HDas I put earlier I Wanted to factory re set eventaully anyway14:16
SebthreeBQM10HDdoing that guide first could teach something as well etc :d14:17
SebthreeBQM10HDI was thinking14:17
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, plus I upgraded to ota 10 before so that the termianl app would work again :d14:19
SebthreeBQM10HDit got updated and didn't work with the shipped default ubuntu version on tablet14:20
SebthreeBQM10HDwhite screen instead14:20
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SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, what x apps you got on there now :d ?14:21
SebthreeBQM10HDsaavento, hi14:21
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, bregma thanks for help by the way :)14:22
saaventoSebthreeBQM10HD buenas14:22
ogra_evolution, inkscape, scribus, hexchat, vinagre, pavucontrol, audacity  ... (vlc and mplayer for testing some things, they are not really usable)14:23
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, oh pauvoncontrol even14:23
saaventoDoes the device make an auto-update or assisted-human-update?14:23
ogra_saavento, you usually get a notification and have to click14:23
SebthreeBQM10HDsaavento, which device14:24
ogra_so the latter ... somehow14:24
saaventoSebthreeBQM10HD, M1014:24
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, do you ever get the sound adjusing itself to really loud on m10 ?14:25
SebthreeBQM10HDwhen listening to music for example14:25
ogra_saavento, note that updates a phased, its like a lottery :)14:25
ogra_nope, sound is fine here14:25
SebthreeBQM10HDsaavento, ota11 is  released but you might not be able to download it just yet14:26
saaventoogra_, Ubuntu lottery14:26
saaventosounds ok14:26
saaventoI just buyed a Miracast device and wanted to try if it fits14:27
saaventobut I'll wait14:27
ogra_hmm, not sure if that already works on the M10 in OTA1114:27
popeyit doesnt via the gui14:27
popeybut does via command line14:27
ogra_(i know it does on the meizu pro5)14:28
saaventoI 've seen something like that lice vnc but not vnc14:28
saaventodont remember14:28
saavento**lice > like14:29
ogra_well, more like a wireless monitor cable :)14:29
saaventoIt was a youtube video some guy mirrored the tablet to the computer14:30
ogra_well, miracast goes directly to a monitor14:31
ogra_no computer inbetween (except for the receiver)14:31
saaventoyes the device has a processor even14:31
saaventoi just thought it would be a wireless dongle14:31
dobeyogra_: well you could plug a miracast dongle into the hdmi in of a capture card14:31
saaventobut has arm14:31
ogra_dobey, crazy talk ... then i could copy protected HD movies !14:31
pi-davecan anyone confirm if the play/pause via headphone control is fixed in OTA11?14:54
s`ogra_: what miracast receiver do u suggest?14:56
ogra_microsoft v1  has been tested14:57
ogra_so thats your safest bet14:57
s`but i really want to avoid apple/ms/google :P14:57
ogra_theoretically others should work too, but i think nobody has tested anything apart from the MS ones14:57
ogra_they apparently have the most standrad compliant implementation14:57
lotuspsychjepi-dave: check the article on omgubuntu.com for all the bugfixes14:58
s`i never used one, are there any open/free solutions?14:58
s`beside if they are supported on ubuntu touch14:58
davmor2s`: well you are kinda up the creek without a paddle then as all of them are apple/ms/google :P14:58
s`davmor2 :D14:58
s`i knew it dam14:58
ogra_i doubt apple or google have any plain miracast devices :)14:59
dobeyyou could probably make something with an rpi14:59
s`yeah dobey i was thinking about it right now14:59
s`is it possible?14:59
dobeyanything is possible15:00
s`there is piracast!15:00
pi-davethanks will do15:01
s`last commit 2 years ago though15:03
s`but there is PiCast15:04
pi-davehad a look on omgubuntu but no joy - i think it was a bug that was submitted in 2013 - just surprised it was still present in ota1015:15
* saavento bye!15:17
brunch875I've noticed /usr/share/X11/xkb on my utouch device. Does it use xkb for layouts? 😗15:21
ogra_for the external (BT/USB) ones for sure15:22
ogra_not for the OSK though15:22
brunch875Is it possible to somehow debug? I have the same layout as in laptop but bluetooth keyboard can't seem to use level3 (alt-gr)15:23
ogra_that should be fixed in todays OTA1115:23
ogra_(i heard)15:24
brunch875I tested it today being on rc-proposed without much luck15:24
brunch875maybe the keyboard is to blame...15:24
ogra_hmm, no15:24
ogra_pmcgowan, isnt the alt-gr thing fixed in OTA1115:25
pmcgowanlet me check15:25
ogra_i thought that was one of our highest prop bugs15:25
brunch875I've been toying with xkb to set right control as ctrl-gr to write unicode smileys 😃15:26
pmcgowanI see it metnioned for the next mir relese15:26
pmcgowanplanned Mir 0.23.1 for alt-gr bug15:26
brunch875I'll use it for phone too15:26
ogra_makes the kbd complettely unusable for most non english speakers15:27
ubot5Launchpad bug 1565236 in Mir "AltGr not working on external keyboards" [High,In progress]15:27
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sil2100I hoped it'll make it for OTA-11 as well but it didn't get there15:28
ogra_yeah, i see bregma targeted it for OTA12 there15:28
bregma0.23 is stuck on some issues, so 0.23.1 is delayed15:29
bregmasoon, very soon15:29
brunch875so...think  will it be possible to modify the layouts via xkb too once the fix arrives? I want to put smileys there too 🙂15:30
* ogra_ looks forward to be able to finally be able to type @ ~ | 15:30
grasstypecontinuing my learning trek, how do I get man pages that aren't included? When I type man (almost anything) it returns with no man pages found16:07
grasstypeor for that matter, is there a way to scroll in the terminal?16:11
ogra_with two fingers ...16:12
grasstypewell... now I feel stupid16:14
SebthreeBQM10HDgrasstype, hi16:15
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, ping it may be some whre on my computer in the history or something sure, but not using that now.  for later, can you give me the link again to well the thing you said wasn't a hack :d.  I would like to still try that out in OTA 10, thanks in advanced :)16:16
ogra_you really have to look it up on the mailing list ... i havent posted it in a while so i would have to dig it up the same way16:17
grasstypeSorry if someone just answered this (closed and reopened xchat). How do I get manpages back in my jail. I have mandb, but literally nothing but "man man" works16:17
SebthreeBQM10HDand I see that OTA 11 is ready to install16:17
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, oh16:17
SebthreeBQM10HDand Ubuntu touch maiing list hmm,  I might join that actsaully I think I looked at the archive once16:18
SebthreeBQM10HDogra_, It will be in the Ubuntu touch channel logs even :d, but I won't know which ones :D16:19
SebthreeBQM10HDI tried to just google for it actsauoly like that, but that didn't work h eh16:19
SebthreeBQM10HDbefore I came back here I mean16:19
* brunch875 wonders what's in the #spam channel16:45
brunch875Invite-only channel 😬16:45
dobeybacon eggs and spam; but they're all out of bacon and eggs. and mimosas16:46
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saaventoTablet updated!!16:57
saaventoone thing i noticed on Google Hangouts is that16:57
saaventoi cannot choose between front and rear camera16:58
saaventoalways shows rear16:58
saaventoalso noticed not Miracast :(16:58
dobeyyou have to hit the flip thing in hangouts i think16:58
brunch875Isn't it possible to configure which camera is used from settings or something like that?16:59
dobeyand aethercast has to be done via CLI on the m10 as i understood it16:59
saaventodobey, oks16:59
saaventoyes popey said that earlier17:00
saaventoany clue which command will activate Aethercast? dobey17:00
dobeyno idea17:00
dobeyi guess it's probably in a thread on the mailing list17:01
johangm90hi guys my nexus 4 screen is broken and i wnto to controll my phone over adb17:01
johangm90is it possible?17:01
johangm90send touch event open apps etc?17:01
dobeywell you can't "tap" the screen over adb really17:01
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dobeywell, not easily, and things like scrolling would be extremely weird17:02
dobeyjohangm90: if you have a bluetooth mouse (or similar pointing device) you could connect it to the phone and use that. would be easier than trying to use adb to control screen interaction, at least17:03
johangm90i have a bt mouse but i dont know what i need to connect it to my phone17:04
saaventojohangm90, Running X applications on Ubuntu Touch and connecting via VNC https://youtu.be/XfMLzlki9XE17:05
dobeyi don't think that's what johangm90 is asking for, saavento17:06
dobeyjohangm90: can you use touch on the phone still at all?17:06
saaventooks I missunderstood17:08
kaisozHi there17:10
kaisozI have a question17:11
kaisozSince que bq aquaris e5 ubuntu edition is out of stock, I can get an used bq aquaris e5 full hd Android edition17:11
kaisozI cannot find information about if it's possible to install ubuntu touch in the e5 full hd version17:12
kaisozIs it possible?17:12
brunch875From what I know it's possible but not as simple as just flashing, since you have to repartition first with some BQ tools17:17
johangm90no i cant use any part of the screen17:18
brunch875It should be simple but I have no experience 😛17:18
popeybrunch875: kaisoz has left but for future refrence, I'm led to believe that if you ask bq, they will give you the tools to do it17:21
brunch875thanks popey 😊17:21
kaisoz42I'm back, I don't know what happens but this andchat app is not able to register my nick17:24
kaisoz42So it keeps disconnecting me17:24
kaisoz42Thanks for your response, I've seen the bq tools to do it with the e5 but I can find nothing about the full hd17:25
kaisoz42Maybe it's the same, but i don't really now17:25
dobeyjohangm90: you might be able to connect over adb with phablet-shell, and then use hcitool to connect the bt mouse from CLI17:26
johangm90ty dobey i will try17:31
kaisozIt looks like the full hd is not supported yet...17:38
joe_whi, has anyone had problems with dekko recently that could have a solution for a crash after app startup when first checking for mail...just updated to ota 11 still same prob..18:06
crs___my dekko is consistently crashing when i try to reconnect after a timeout18:07
crs___and it used to crash on startup when there was no internet connection18:07
crs___but i have no solutiin for both crashes ;)18:08
joe_wit first started happening last week during use now its every time i load18:09
pmcgowanjoe_w, one thing to try is delete the qml cache for it18:09
joe_wpmcgowen, how can i go about that?18:10
pmcgowanjoe_w, rm -r /home/phablet/.cache/QML18:12
pmcgowanor just the specific cache for dekko18:12
joe_wpmcgowan, thanks give me a few mins18:13
joe_wpmcgowan, tried the command in terminal..nothing happend - still same prob.18:21
pmcgowanjoe_w, ok then a real issue in dekko I imagine18:22
joe_wshall i log a bug report on launchpad?18:22
pmcgowanjoe_w, yes, I see several such crashes and Dan says he is replacing the backend18:24
pmcgowanjoe_w, there are many crash at start bugs there18:25
clifford_does anyone also have problems with the browser in the aquaris 4.5 when scrolling loses control and you end at the bottom of the page before you know it? I never used to have this but seemed to be introduced a few otas back18:25
joe_wpmcgowan, thanks for your help anyway, will log a report..18:25
pmcgowanjoe_w, ok or just add yourself to an existing one18:25
clifford_the guardian homepage is a good example to see this in action18:26
pmcgowanclifford_, there is a known issue where scroll events queue up during rendering18:26
clifford_can you possibly direct me to the bug report?18:26
pmcgowanyep one sec18:27
ubot5Launchpad bug 1584965 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "[browser] scrolling uneven and queues up" [High,Confirmed]18:28
pmcgowanclifford_, ^18:28
clifford_mañy thanks. it drives me nuts. also you can see another bug in this text where typing freezes for a second and you end up with a held down character18:29
pmcgowanhmm not sure thats been reported18:29
clifford_it happens quite often on krillin. between that the browser scrolling and the pages closing with memory issues id just assumed it was a problem with the lower spec of the phone and the high demands of ubuntu18:32
pmcgowanclifford_, the  memory management was improved in this update so tabs shouldn't get freed as often18:32
clifford_I might report the keyboard bug then. its almost as if I'm typing too fast and so it freezes for a second but that freeze acts like I'm holding down a key so the character changes when it comes out of the freeze18:34
clifford_its intermittent18:35
pmcgowandumb question does it happen when its plugged in to usb?18:36
pmcgowanwe actually saw cases where that interfered with the touch screen oddly enough18:37
clifford_hmm ill need to test. I'm plugged into usb now when it just occurred. ill look out for when it happens18:38
clifford_I actually use my old BB charger as the one from bq wasn't UK adapted18:39
morsnowskihi all, I'm Mike and I bricked my ubuntu phone.18:58
morsnowskian aquarris 4.518:59
morsnowskican anyone give me alink to a tut that teels me how to unbrick it?18:59
morsnowskitells more like it18:59
pmcgowanmorsnowski, did you originally flash it yourself or preinstalled19:02
k1lyou cant brick the devices anymore, since the bootloader is hardcoded and will always boot in todays devices. so start with what you did and what error you get.19:03
morsnowskino it came preinstalled from the factory, it is one of the first phones they threw on the market in these flashsales19:03
pmcgowanmorsnowski, you can try https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/19:05
pmcgowanneed to have your laptop/desktop setup for it19:05
morsnowskiok current situtation: when I turn it on it comes up with the white bq background goes then into the 'normal ubuntu' boot screen with the dots mrching from left to right. the the screen goes grey(not fully off). after that I can press the power button that will get the screen to go either grey or fully black. So there is still hope.19:06
morsnowskiWhat I did to get there19:06
morsnowskiI tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/358741/how-to-update-my-already-installed-ubuntu-touch-image?rq=119:06
morsnowskithat failed till I remounted the the drives as rw. After that I added the ppa again ran apt-get update && upgrade19:07
pmcgowanmorsnowski, yeah that is not recommended19:07
pmcgowanjust use the built in updater19:08
morsnowskiall fine till here. when I ran dist-upgrade it told me I had a broken package but with -f it started19:08
morsnowskiunfortunately it ran out of diskspace and simply hung. after a reboot I had that situation19:08
k1li would just flash a new factory image from the bq guys, tbh19:09
morsnowskiok is there some link to a how to?19:09
morsnowskiI would like to get the one that came out today but I'm happy when I get this thinkg unbricked19:10
morsnowskiis there no button combination to reinstall the factory image?19:10
pmcgowando you run ubuntu desktop?19:12
k1lmorsnowski: you dont update your phone with apt-get19:12
pmcgowanthen you can follow the link I posted above19:12
k1lthe phone setup is a different one and image based.19:12
pmcgowanmorsnowski, you can try https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/19:12
morsnowskipmcgowan, yes got that thanks. I'll see if I get it to work19:13
morsnowskipmcgowan, I can't do some of the steps. namely those to be performed on the device19:21
morsnowskialso how do I get the phone to connect to the desktop, I have an usb cable connected and just rebooted the phone19:22
morsnowskibut the desktop seems not to have noticed it19:22
k1lfor flashing it needs to be in the fastboot mode. which is power+volumeUP or DOWN. depending on the device19:23
dobeymore importantly, you need the recovery image listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash for your device19:26
morsnowskiok I it into fastboot mode but that is not motivating my desktop to show any response19:28
robinherohey guys, is there a wiki page/article about this phased upgrade? so can I read about this somewhere?19:28
morsnowskiit still says 2016/06/01 21:26:19 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting19:28
morsnowskido i need to press anything19:29
dobeyi'm not entirely sure with the retail phones19:30
k1lconnecting it with the fastboot mode should work, as i read.19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDright so  I have recieved a PDF in my emails19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDand I will get them sometimes since something19:33
SebthreeBQM10HDa group :D19:33
morsnowskinope what I head to do was point the it to the right image19:33
morsnowskithe standard image was not accepted19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDbut I noticed last night that it can't really open them in anything19:34
morsnowskinow it's running, I'll let you know once it's done19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDfrom say dekoo it suggestd libre office I think, but won't open there so19:34
SebthreeBQM10HDis there a app maybe or something I could actsually use to open them ?19:34
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: doc viewer19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, doc viewer ok, but I  got to install myself?19:35
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: i don't know if it's installed by default on any devices or not19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDa PDF viewer would be useful by default :)19:35
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, seems sily to load up the lap top to view a PDF :d19:36
SylvieLorxuIt wasn't installed on default on my M10, really should have been19:36
dobeydoc viewer handles a lot more than just pdf19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, doc viewer you mean19:36
SylvieLorxuSebthreeBQM10HD: Yes19:36
dobeyand it's like 70 MB click package19:36
dobeyjust install it from the store19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDok I'll install that thanks :)19:36
SylvieLorxuWell we can remove Amazon, eBay, 7digital, etc. to make space for it :D19:36
SebthreeBQM10HDprobably over looked a PDF viewer when going through well evertyhing in app store or trying to h eh19:37
SebthreeBQM10HDbe that on Ubuntu phones first, then tablet19:37
dobeySylvieLorxu: well, remote scopes don't take any space on the device, so "removing" them won't do anything :)19:37
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, well hopefully it or a program  like it if not will become a default app, like Dekko became as of I think it's OTA 1019:37
SebthreeBQM10HDoh just thought of something else as well19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDhow to take a screen shot?19:38
dobeyvol up+dn at same time19:38
SylvieLorxuSebthreeBQM10HD: Dekko is nice, just a shame it crashes when I try to add an openmailbox.org account19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDah yeah that was it I guess19:38
dobeyat least, on phones. i guess it's same on tablet19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDI forgot for phone19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDlet's try :d19:38
SebthreeBQM10HDclick ok I think it did19:39
* SebthreeBQM10HD checks gallery19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDyep that was it thanks again :)19:39
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, yeah  its nice but basic, I was thinking maybe a bit to basic at first, but now I think it's mostly ok19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, you can play around with Libertine and try and do Mozilla Thunderbird :D :)19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDI haven't messed around with trying to run own stuff just yet19:40
SylvieLorxuIs Libertine is OTA-11?19:40
SylvieLorxuI didn't notice it :(19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, yes of course :)19:40
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, but to install programs you have to use command line19:41
SebthreeBQM10HDbut the liberotne scope it seems will do the icons or something like that19:41
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, I am going totry the old thing for OTA 10  first,  where you hack or whatever the default thing  xmir apps, but that's no longer needed as of ota 1119:41
SebthreeBQM10HDthere's a wiki page19:42
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, plus bregma is the libertine expert :D h eh19:42
SylvieLorxuI was hoping that the update would've moved GIMP, Xchat, Firefox and LibreOffice to "Legacy Apps" so it would be easier to tell that they would only be usable with an external keyboard19:44
SylvieLorxuBut they haven't19:45
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, they are working on that, so they can be used with the touch screen keyboard :)19:45
SylvieLorxuThe only Libertine thing I want is the Touch SDK :P19:45
SylvieLorxuOh, fancy!19:45
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, I guess that features may come in the next OTA update OTA 1219:45
SylvieLorxuThat would be super cool19:45
SebthreeBQM10HDthe touch SDK  development kit ?19:45
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, what so you can make native apps :) ?19:46
SebthreeBQM10HDnow that's something UBuntu Touch needs more of, and I  Mean in the real offical store to,  there's some other interesting ones it seems but in a unoffical store hmm19:46
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, I feel I don't need a lap top mostly now again :d,  tablet is nice espeicaly with this bluetooth keyboar dock thing19:47
SylvieLorxuSebthreeBQM10HD: Yes, I run Gentoo and Debian and on both setting it up sucks19:49
SylvieLorxuAnd I already have an Ubuntu: the tablet19:49
SebthreeBQM10HDSylvieLorxu, bluetoot with Genoot and DEbian hmm.  never used with a computer or even ubuntu phone yet19:52
SebthreeBQM10HDwith the computer usb was fine :d19:52
SebthreeBQM10HDcan also use usb otg with Ubuntu  phone meizu mx 4 and tablet so that's nice19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDdocument viewer installed :D19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDnow lets see if it can just open from dekoo to :d19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDthe email19:53
SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, SylvieLorxu ok so no it wasn't a PDF,  it was a uh ah docx,  not so technical Windows users who also emaill you from a hotmail address uh (and once I got some fake email apparnaty from them )19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDhowever doc viewer seemed to mostly open the document up ok19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDbut a few things seemed a little off, but hey it was a docX19:58
SebthreeBQM10HDinterestingly doc viewer seems to use the same thing or something from libre office to open documents up as well19:59
dobeySebthreeBQM10HD: yes, doc viewer usees a version of the LO lib for renering such docs20:02
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SebthreeBQM10HDdobey, which is interesting, and easier than starting from scratch with an own implementation sure20:06
SebthreeBQM10HDreverse enginering propriratyr formats etc uh20:06
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morsnowskipmcgowan, ok it did the "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap" step but after uploading three files to the device it says failed to enter recovery20:16
morsnowskiany idea20:16
dobeymorsnowski: as i said earlier, you hae to grab the recovery image from the link i pasted, and pass that in to ubuntu-device-flash with --recovery-image20:17
pmcgowanmorsnowski, it can also report that incorrectly at times and will actually boot properly, but dobey is right to use the latest recovery20:19
morsnowskiok I'll try that next then20:20
morsnowskiwould that be the sdb recovery image?20:22
dobeyit would be the one for your device, listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash20:23
dobeydownload the right recoveery.img file, and pass it u-d-f with --recovery-image when flashing20:23
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morsnowskidobey, I'm new to this can you point to the correct link or syntax for using that image e.g what do I need to start on the desktop and what do I need to do to the phone20:28
pmcgowanmorsnowski, same command you did before when in the bootloader just with the --recovery-image part added20:32
morsnowskiok and where do I add the image location?20:33
pmcgowanyou need to download the image locally20:34
pmcgowanthen just specify it on the command line option20:34
morsnowskiI did but where does it go into the commandline20:34
morsnowskithat is what is unclear20:34
pmcgowanubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image path-to-image20:34
morsnowskithanks a mil20:34
pmcgowanu-d-f has some contextual help too20:35
morsnowskiwhere does the u-d-f go?20:35
pmcgowanubuntu-device-flash I mean20:35
pmcgowanso ubuntu-device-flash touch --help20:35
morsnowskioh thanks, I have to get into this but there is soi much ubuntu stuff by now that it becomes difficult to stay abreast in all of them20:36
pmcgowangood news is it seems it should work20:36
hasanHi, still wait for OTA-11 :D20:54
hasanCan I wait for convergence on my Aquaris E4.5 based on Ubuntu Insights' latest post: "And the best bit is we’ll be rolling this out across all Ubuntu smartphones and tablets for future OTAs." !!?? :)20:55
Shah_Hi everybody !21:06
Shah_Little question : Is it possible to execute a bash21:06
Shah_And do not loose the updates routine ?21:07
morsnowskidobey & pmcgowan, thanks a mil got it working again and with ota 11 too21:26
mcphailhow's ota11 working out for everyone? Nice update?22:17
k1l"still in memphis" :)22:19
popeyooh, just arrived on my bq e4.522:26
* popey installs22:26
mcphaildo you keep some of your phones on stable purely for the joy of the big OTA?22:27
popeyi keep my original first purchased bq e4.5 on stable yes22:28
popeyall of the marvin devices are on stable too22:28
popeyI'll update them en masse tomorrow22:28
popeymy m10 and pro 5 are on rc-proposed though22:28
popeyi do like this fancy new flash screen http://imgur.com/dAZ1a9V22:30
mcphailooh. that is cool22:30
popey\o/ it boots22:31
mcphailIm going to give it a try next week. I'm missing my ubuntu goodness22:32
mcphail...see if i can get firefox working ;)22:34
nhainesIf I want the pocket desktop on my Nexus 7, I need to stick with rc-proposed still, right?22:40
sil2100nhaines: yeah22:43
nhainessil2100: boo!22:50
nhainesThe last I checked, I had an issue in that my libertine folders in my home directory were wiped every time I rebooted.22:51
sil2100nhaines: not enough time to QA so many platforms!22:51
nhainesSo I'll be looking into that more closely once I can reflash (which is tomorrow when my Clash of Clans clan war is over.)22:51
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