[07:38] <Edity> hullo
[10:56] <mardy> mpt: hi! Just filed bug 1587829; this should be an easy fix when you have a few minutes to spare
[11:08] <cc> ogra_ i mean "wechat",not"weechat"
[11:08] <cc> chinese call it "wei xin'"
[11:28] <robinhero> mardy, here's a same bug report with missing translation on Ubuntu One: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1368788
[11:30] <mardy> robinhero: thanks, it's similar but also quite different, in that the string is coming from the project and is properly marked for translations; it's just that the translations template must be rebuilt
[11:30] <mardy> robinhero: I'll add a comment to that bug
[11:35] <robinhero> thanks
[12:12] <robinhero> I've just getting a newsletter about OTA-11, and this is from FB: "OTA 11 is out! And we've gone wireless - .. etc" so have this already released?
[12:14] <ogra_> it is released once the release announcement hits the mailing list ... and i guess sil2100 will also update the channel topic here
[12:14] <sil2100> Yes :)
[12:14] <popey> yeah, it's in progress
[12:14] <ogra_> and even then ... it is phased :)
[12:14] <sil2100> Yeah, it's in progress still
[12:14] <sil2100> Had some unforseen interruptions but we're proceeding forward
[12:14] <sil2100> Should be fully released in the nearest hour
[12:15] <robinhero> thanks for the info :)
[12:16] <s`> nice
[12:16] <s`> where can you see changelogs etc?
[12:17] <ogra_> i think they will be linked in the release announcement
[12:18] <s`> ogra_: and where do i get the announcement? email?
[12:18] <ogra_> on the phone mailing list, yes
[12:18] <s`> ok i think i havent subscribed
[12:19] <sil2100> There will be one soonish
[12:19] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[12:19] <ogra_> just join that team and you are auto-subscribed
[12:20] <sil2100> There's also a separate 'announcement-only' mailing list, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-announce , but we treat that one read-only
[12:20] <s`> cool
[12:23] <robinhero> Release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-11
[12:23] <robinhero> Commit log: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ota/ota-11.commitlog
[13:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[13:22]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is sebsebseb
[13:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyone about?
[13:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> om26er, ping
[13:37] <om26er> SebthreeBQM10HD, pong, nice nick.
[13:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> om26er, he h indeed I guess :)
[13:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> om26er, I think it was you I talked with a few times about the libertine hack etc for example , maybe not though ?
[13:37]  * SebthreeBQM10HD is sebsebseb
[13:38] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, which libertine hack?
[13:38] <om26er> SebthreeBQM10HD, we haven't talked about Libertine, no. might be someone else
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> om26er, yeah ogra maybe
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but oh even better bregma is here :d
[13:39]  * bregma hides
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, the unoffical one for purtine. apparantly ota 11 is out now though accoding to omg ubuntu though
[13:39] <bregma> 's what I hear
[13:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma,  they didn't say much about libertine in there blog post, and I am wondering about the actsual libertine changes and what they are :d
[13:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> is it a load easier to install additional x programs in some kind of offical way now ?
[13:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or not
[13:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[13:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the scope ? or something ?
[13:41] <bregma> I see I have a 756 MB update waiting on my m10, but with my bandwidth I have not finished downloading it yet
[13:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I haven't checked just yet
[13:41] <bregma> there should be some key bugfixes in the stack, and the libertine scope should be available in the store now
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok and with the libertine scope can  install well nearly any x program ?
[13:42] <bregma> which means you still need to create a container and install your packages in it using the command line, but should be able to discover and launch through the libertine scope
[13:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> will the liberitne scope make a contianer on it's own if  trying to get a program from it or not?  yep not used that yet so
[13:43] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[13:43] <bregma> libertiner scope just discoveres and launches apps already installed in a a container
[13:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, heh if libertine can run most x programs and well  in the future let's say :).  maybe that can help kill off the Ubuntu should support Android apps debate :d.  no  need, got thousands of desktop linux programs instead :D and native apps
[13:44] <ogra_> well, android apps have different problems
[13:44] <bregma> Android apps already run on Android, I don't see the need to make them run on Ubuntu
[13:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, yeah adverts for a start uh, for most :d
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, that's kind of my point, even less so if can run lots of x programs well :d
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and more nativ apps will come to
[13:45] <ogra_> (and i honestly dont want to use libreoffice on my phone in non-desktop mode ... i doubt supporting Xorg apps will move the focus away from foreign mobile apps)
[13:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> libre office is fine on tablet
[13:46] <ogra_> SebthreeBQM10HD, i dont mean adverts ... you wouldnt be able to navigate (no back button in ubuntu) ... they wouldnt be able to access anything on the system (confinement) ...
[13:46] <ogra_> there are a ton of such issues that sum up ...
[13:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hmm so libertine scope is like instad of having to make ones own desktop icon ?
[13:46] <bregma> the long game for Ubuntu is snappy packagaing for everything
[13:46] <ogra_> theoretically yu could ship an android runtime env inside your click and just run your android apps
[13:46] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes
[13:47] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, a libertine "store" is in the works, but not until a lot of issues with libertine apps get worked out first
[13:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, so would still have to do some command  line stuff to get stuff on there though hmm, but in a future app should be able to do it all graphically ?
[13:47] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes
[13:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah that's what you basically told me befor I think the libertine store will be coming but not yet
[13:48] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, there is also the libertine GUI management app, I'm not sure if that's in the store or not
[13:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe in that unoffical store hmm
[13:51] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, if I do the hack for purtine first, no stil not done that,  then upgrade to ota 11 or whatever,  use the scope.  it would use that as my container ?
[13:52] <ogra_> not sure what you mean, can you re-phrase that ?
[13:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, the purtine hack that you used  that edits the purtine container for more programs right?  but with that libertine scope could use it with that?
[13:53] <ogra_> no
[13:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok
[13:53] <ogra_> the libertine howto creates a new container in /home/phablet
[13:53] <ogra_> in which you then can install additional apps
[13:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, ok but need ota 11 for that yeah?  henc e before why there was that hack
[13:54] <ogra_> i dont think anything changed in that regard
[13:54] <bregma> with OTA-11 you should no longer need any hacks
[13:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or  ota 11 is so that scope is in the store
[13:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, exactly that's what I was thinking
[13:55] <ogra_> bregma, so the symlink for the ContainerManager.json is gone ?
[13:55] <ogra_> (or how that was called)
[13:55] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, that's what I Was trying to find out if ota 11 would then make that hack that got linked to before for puritne, no longer needed, and it seems going by what ogra put and you that yes that's the case
[13:55] <bregma> the code was fixed so it merges things correctly
[13:55] <ogra_> awesome !
[13:56] <bregma> evidently the scope is not yet in the store, because of process issues
[13:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh?
[13:57] <bregma> we'll get them cleared soon, it seems you need to send the boys around to break someone's arm to get software in the store
[13:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> process issues? got to go through an accepting stage? or what did you mean by that?
[13:57] <bregma> which might explain why there are so few apps
[13:57]  * ogra_ doesnt care about the scope ... being able to create a container without any hacks is already good enough 
[13:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yeah plus thee's an unoffical store as well, where certain things are, but it's the main one that needs the apps :D
[13:58] <ogra_> bregma, you just need to re-pack everything as snap ... and voila you will be a first lcass citizen ;)
[13:58] <bregma> I think that since this is an official Canonical app we need to go through extra reviews and jump through extra hoops so we don't tarnish our reputation by publishing crap
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, yep not having to use a hack is good, but not having to use the command line at all for any of that is even better, but it seems the second is for later on some time
[13:59] <bregma> *my* software is not crap but I have to prove it to others first
[13:59] <bregma> ogra_, when snaps are supported on the phone or tablet, we will be there
[13:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> bregma, yeah I understand I thinik, extra QA etc you mean basicaly ?
[13:59] <ogra_> yeah :)
[13:59] <bregma> SebthreeBQM10HD, yes, basically
[14:00] <ogra_> you have to pass the davmor2-test
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, your purtine stuff becomes serpate though?  if you do it the offical way after :D ?
[14:01] <ogra_> ?
[14:01] <dobey> the problem is that with adding extra read/write paths to the apparmor profile means it needs manual review
[14:01] <ogra_> "my purtine stuff" ?
[14:01] <dobey> but i thought that was done already
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, purtine hack
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, x programs
[14:01] <ogra_> i dont know of any such "hack"
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> uh who linked to that :D
[14:01] <ogra_> i'm just using the preinstalled tools to create a container and install apps
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyway seems it's no longer needed so that's good :)
[14:01] <ogra_> there is nothing hackish in that
[14:02] <ogra_> (apart from removing that one link which is obviously fixed in OTA11)
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which one link :d ?
[14:03] <ogra_> the one that is described in the first paragraph of the howto that someone wrote
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh and yeah not tried so I don't know now h eh
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but ok
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I am thinking what link
[14:04] <ogra_> libertine-container-manager is a preinstalled tool ... i'm just using it ...
[14:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> anyway fine  my question got answerd :)  with OTA 11 should be able to do the programs in a more offical way,  using commands for container, but scope is coming for the icon stuff to
[14:05] <ogra_> right ...
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, now for a a diffent question :d  why do you think Ubuntu should not support Android apps :D ?
[14:05] <ogra_> you will still have to install the apps yourself ... and you will most likely do that in a new container since the shipped one is readonly though
[14:05] <ogra_> SebthreeBQM10HD, i explained it above
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes I was thinking something like that to
[14:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> don't have to change the purtine one,  so would use a new container
[14:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I might try and hack purtine first and do some factory reset after that though, I want to factory re set this tablet anyway at some stage
[14:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, no back button in ubuntu with android apps?
[14:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> if were to have
[14:07] <ogra_> well, you have none of the traditional android navigation elemets ...
[14:08] <ogra_> you wont have any access to the filesystem outside of your install dir, wont have any access to any hardware etc etc
[14:08] <ogra_> their functionality would be extremely limited
[14:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, hmm maybe but would run in some emulater anyway I Guess like Jolla and Tizen ?
[14:09] <ogra_> that wouldnt change a thing
[14:09] <ogra_> app confinement wont let them access what they are used to acces
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no control from the touch GUI or very little your trying to say?
[14:09] <ogra_> no matter if you have an extra emulator layer or not inbetween
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not enough Android like on the back end as well?
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> you mean so
[14:09] <ogra_> they might run but would be very degraded
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, well loads of people seem to think that Ubuntu Touch could support Android apps, just Mark Canonical etc don't want to
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as a way to try and getp eople to make ntaive apps
[14:10] <ogra_> feel free to provide patches and stuff to make them work
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, I meant in genral, and I was thinking of putting something like, and are those people ignorant :d ?
[14:11] <ogra_> but even if you run them, the different security models will make them work very limited
[14:11]  * ogra_ hugs sil2100 
[14:11] <sil2100> o/
[14:12] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, here's a stupid question :d  or a bit of a silly one, but maybe not, I will ask anyway :).  let's say that earlier mentioend purtine hack is done, some new programs on yeah yeah.  but then you factory reset the tablet, you lose evertyhing you did to purtine as well?  and where is purtine actusally on the device as well
[14:13] <ogra_> since the container lives in your homedir and the homedir gets formatted on factory reset, yes, the container will be gone
[14:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, and the default home dir stuff is in the re set I guess, so back to standard purtine after that  no container
[14:14] <ogra_> (only the one in the readonly image will stay)
[14:14] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, which is the one with FIrefox etc default apps?  but then no user settings to them those would go ? I guess
[14:15] <ogra_> note that we are not talking about purtine ... stop calling it that :) it is libertine
[14:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, well the hack is for the default purrinte/liberitne tablet stuff :d
[14:15] <ogra_> right, firefox, xchat, gedit libreoffice ... they are inside the image
[14:16] <ogra_> also stop calling it a hack, it isnt a hack, it is "using the tools in their intended function" :)
[14:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, I think I am going to try that hack before factory re setting, then after that I'll have a container but in the more offical way :d
[14:16] <ogra_> "libertine-container-manager create" is a command thats there on purpose
[14:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as I put earlier I Wanted to factory re set eventaully anyway
[14:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> doing that guide first could teach something as well etc :d
[14:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I was thinking
[14:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, plus I upgraded to ota 10 before so that the termianl app would work again :d
[14:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> it got updated and didn't work with the shipped default ubuntu version on tablet
[14:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> white screen instead
[14:20] <saavento> Hi
[14:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, what x apps you got on there now :d ?
[14:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> saavento, hi
[14:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, bregma thanks for help by the way :)
[14:22] <saavento> SebthreeBQM10HD buenas
[14:23] <ogra_> evolution, inkscape, scribus, hexchat, vinagre, pavucontrol, audacity  ... (vlc and mplayer for testing some things, they are not really usable)
[14:23] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, oh pauvoncontrol even
[14:23] <saavento> Does the device make an auto-update or assisted-human-update?
[14:23] <ogra_> saavento, you usually get a notification and have to click
[14:23] <saavento> oks
[14:24] <SebthreeBQM10HD> saavento, which device
[14:24] <ogra_> so the latter ... somehow
[14:24] <saavento> SebthreeBQM10HD, M10
[14:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, do you ever get the sound adjusing itself to really loud on m10 ?
[14:25] <SebthreeBQM10HD> when listening to music for example
[14:25] <ogra_> saavento, note that updates a phased, its like a lottery :)
[14:25] <ogra_> nope, sound is fine here
[14:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> saavento, ota11 is  released but you might not be able to download it just yet
[14:26] <saavento> ogra_, Ubuntu lottery
[14:26] <ogra_> yeah
[14:26] <saavento> sounds ok
[14:27] <saavento> I just buyed a Miracast device and wanted to try if it fits
[14:27] <saavento> but I'll wait
[14:27] <ogra_> hmm, not sure if that already works on the M10 in OTA11
[14:27] <popey> it doesnt via the gui
[14:27] <popey> but does via command line
[14:28] <ogra_> (i know it does on the meizu pro5)
[14:28] <saavento> I 've seen something like that lice vnc but not vnc
[14:28] <saavento> dont remember
[14:29] <saavento> **lice > like
[14:29] <dobey> rdp?
[14:29] <ogra_> well, more like a wireless monitor cable :)
[14:30] <saavento> It was a youtube video some guy mirrored the tablet to the computer
[14:31] <ogra_> well, miracast goes directly to a monitor
[14:31] <ogra_> no computer inbetween (except for the receiver)
[14:31] <saavento> yes the device has a processor even
[14:31] <saavento> i just thought it would be a wireless dongle
[14:31] <dobey> ogra_: well you could plug a miracast dongle into the hdmi in of a capture card
[14:31] <saavento> but has arm
[14:31] <ogra_> dobey, crazy talk ... then i could copy protected HD movies !
[14:54] <pi-dave> can anyone confirm if the play/pause via headphone control is fixed in OTA11?
[14:56] <s`> ogra_: what miracast receiver do u suggest?
[14:57] <ogra_> microsoft v1  has been tested
[14:57] <ogra_> so thats your safest bet
[14:57] <s`> but i really want to avoid apple/ms/google :P
[14:57] <ogra_> theoretically others should work too, but i think nobody has tested anything apart from the MS ones
[14:57] <ogra_> they apparently have the most standrad compliant implementation
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> pi-dave: check the article on omgubuntu.com for all the bugfixes
[14:58] <s`> i never used one, are there any open/free solutions?
[14:58] <s`> beside if they are supported on ubuntu touch
[14:58] <davmor2> s`: well you are kinda up the creek without a paddle then as all of them are apple/ms/google :P
[14:58] <s`> davmor2 :D
[14:58] <s`> i knew it dam
[14:58] <s`> lol
[14:59] <ogra_> i doubt apple or google have any plain miracast devices :)
[14:59] <dobey> you could probably make something with an rpi
[14:59] <s`> yeah dobey i was thinking about it right now
[14:59] <s`> is it possible?
[15:00] <dobey> anything is possible
[15:00] <s`> there is piracast!
[15:00] <s`> :D
[15:00] <ogra_> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60636
[15:00] <ogra_> yeah
[15:01] <pi-dave> thanks will do
[15:02] <s`> https://github.com/codemonkeyricky/piracast
[15:03] <s`> last commit 2 years ago though
[15:04] <s`> but there is PiCast
[15:04] <s`> https://github.com/lanceseidman/PiCAST
[15:15] <pi-dave> had a look on omgubuntu but no joy - i think it was a bug that was submitted in 2013 - just surprised it was still present in ota10
[15:17]  * saavento bye!
[15:21] <brunch875> I've noticed /usr/share/X11/xkb on my utouch device. Does it use xkb for layouts? 😗
[15:22] <ogra_> for the external (BT/USB) ones for sure
[15:22] <ogra_> not for the OSK though
[15:23] <brunch875> Is it possible to somehow debug? I have the same layout as in laptop but bluetooth keyboard can't seem to use level3 (alt-gr)
[15:23] <ogra_> that should be fixed in todays OTA11
[15:24] <ogra_> (i heard)
[15:24] <brunch875> I tested it today being on rc-proposed without much luck
[15:24] <brunch875> maybe the keyboard is to blame...
[15:24] <ogra_> hmm, no
[15:25] <ogra_> pmcgowan, isnt the alt-gr thing fixed in OTA11
[15:25] <pmcgowan> let me check
[15:25] <ogra_> i thought that was one of our highest prop bugs
[15:25] <ogra_> *prio
[15:26] <brunch875> I've been toying with xkb to set right control as ctrl-gr to write unicode smileys 😃
[15:26] <pmcgowan> I see it metnioned for the next mir relese
[15:26] <ogra_> bah
[15:26] <pmcgowan> planned Mir 0.23.1 for alt-gr bug
[15:26] <brunch875> I'll use it for phone too
[15:27] <ogra_> makes the kbd complettely unusable for most non english speakers
[15:27] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1565236
[15:27] <pmcgowan> sorry
[15:28] <sil2100> I hoped it'll make it for OTA-11 as well but it didn't get there
[15:28] <ogra_> yeah, i see bregma targeted it for OTA12 there
[15:29] <bregma> 0.23 is stuck on some issues, so 0.23.1 is delayed
[15:29] <bregma> soon, very soon
[15:30] <brunch875> so...think  will it be possible to modify the layouts via xkb too once the fix arrives? I want to put smileys there too 🙂
[15:30]  * ogra_ looks forward to be able to finally be able to type @ ~ | 
[16:06] <grasstype> hello!
[16:07] <grasstype> continuing my learning trek, how do I get man pages that aren't included? When I type man (almost anything) it returns with no man pages found
[16:11] <grasstype> or for that matter, is there a way to scroll in the terminal?
[16:12] <ogra_> with two fingers ...
[16:14] <grasstype> well... now I feel stupid
[16:14] <grasstype> thanks
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:15] <grasstype> hi
[16:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> grasstype, hi
[16:16] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, ping it may be some whre on my computer in the history or something sure, but not using that now.  for later, can you give me the link again to well the thing you said wasn't a hack :d.  I would like to still try that out in OTA 10, thanks in advanced :)
[16:17] <ogra_> you really have to look it up on the mailing list ... i havent posted it in a while so i would have to dig it up the same way
[16:17] <grasstype> Sorry if someone just answered this (closed and reopened xchat). How do I get manpages back in my jail. I have mandb, but literally nothing but "man man" works
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I see that OTA 11 is ready to install
[16:17] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, oh
[16:18] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and Ubuntu touch maiing list hmm,  I might join that actsaully I think I looked at the archive once
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ogra_, It will be in the Ubuntu touch channel logs even :d, but I won't know which ones :D
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I tried to just google for it actsauoly like that, but that didn't work h eh
[16:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> before I came back here I mean
[16:42] <hulokow> #bitcurex.pl
[16:43] <dobey> #spam
[16:45]  * brunch875 wonders what's in the #spam channel
[16:45] <brunch875> Invite-only channel 😬
[16:46] <dobey> bacon eggs and spam; but they're all out of bacon and eggs. and mimosas
[16:47] <ogra_> mmmm
[16:47] <ogra_> mimosas
[16:47] <dobey> heh
[16:57] <saavento> Tablet updated!!
[16:57] <saavento> one thing i noticed on Google Hangouts is that
[16:58] <saavento> i cannot choose between front and rear camera
[16:58] <saavento> always shows rear
[16:58] <saavento> also noticed not Miracast :(
[16:58] <dobey> you have to hit the flip thing in hangouts i think
[16:59] <brunch875> Isn't it possible to configure which camera is used from settings or something like that?
[16:59] <dobey> and aethercast has to be done via CLI on the m10 as i understood it
[16:59] <saavento> dobey, oks
[17:00] <saavento> yes popey said that earlier
[17:00] <saavento> any clue which command will activate Aethercast? dobey
[17:00] <dobey> no idea
[17:00] <saavento> :)
[17:01] <dobey> i guess it's probably in a thread on the mailing list
[17:01] <johangm90> hi guys my nexus 4 screen is broken and i wnto to controll my phone over adb
[17:01] <johangm90> is it possible?
[17:01] <johangm90> send touch event open apps etc?
[17:01] <dobey> well you can't "tap" the screen over adb really
[17:02] <dobey> well, not easily, and things like scrolling would be extremely weird
[17:03] <dobey> johangm90: if you have a bluetooth mouse (or similar pointing device) you could connect it to the phone and use that. would be easier than trying to use adb to control screen interaction, at least
[17:04] <johangm90> i have a bt mouse but i dont know what i need to connect it to my phone
[17:05] <saavento> johangm90, Running X applications on Ubuntu Touch and connecting via VNC https://youtu.be/XfMLzlki9XE
[17:06] <dobey> i don't think that's what johangm90 is asking for, saavento
[17:06] <dobey> johangm90: can you use touch on the phone still at all?
[17:08] <saavento> oks I missunderstood
[17:10] <kaisoz> Hi there
[17:11] <kaisoz> I have a question
[17:11] <kaisoz> Since que bq aquaris e5 ubuntu edition is out of stock, I can get an used bq aquaris e5 full hd Android edition
[17:12] <kaisoz> I cannot find information about if it's possible to install ubuntu touch in the e5 full hd version
[17:12] <kaisoz> Is it possible?
[17:17] <brunch875> From what I know it's possible but not as simple as just flashing, since you have to repartition first with some BQ tools
[17:18] <johangm90> no i cant use any part of the screen
[17:18] <brunch875> It should be simple but I have no experience 😛
[17:21] <popey> brunch875: kaisoz has left but for future refrence, I'm led to believe that if you ask bq, they will give you the tools to do it
[17:21] <brunch875> thanks popey 😊
[17:24] <kaisoz42> I'm back, I don't know what happens but this andchat app is not able to register my nick
[17:24] <kaisoz42> So it keeps disconnecting me
[17:25] <kaisoz42> Thanks for your response, I've seen the bq tools to do it with the e5 but I can find nothing about the full hd
[17:25] <kaisoz42> Maybe it's the same, but i don't really now
[17:25] <kaisoz42> Know
[17:26] <dobey> johangm90: you might be able to connect over adb with phablet-shell, and then use hcitool to connect the bt mouse from CLI
[17:31] <johangm90> ty dobey i will try
[17:38] <kaisoz> It looks like the full hd is not supported yet...
[18:06] <joe_w> hi, has anyone had problems with dekko recently that could have a solution for a crash after app startup when first checking for mail...just updated to ota 11 still same prob..
[18:07] <crs___> my dekko is consistently crashing when i try to reconnect after a timeout
[18:07] <crs___> and it used to crash on startup when there was no internet connection
[18:08] <crs___> but i have no solutiin for both crashes ;)
[18:09] <joe_w> it first started happening last week during use now its every time i load
[18:09] <pmcgowan> joe_w, one thing to try is delete the qml cache for it
[18:10] <joe_w> pmcgowen, how can i go about that?
[18:11] <joe_w> *pmcgowan..
[18:12] <pmcgowan> joe_w, rm -r /home/phablet/.cache/QML
[18:12] <pmcgowan> or just the specific cache for dekko
[18:13] <joe_w> pmcgowan, thanks give me a few mins
[18:21] <joe_w> pmcgowan, tried the command in terminal..nothing happend - still same prob.
[18:22] <pmcgowan> joe_w, ok then a real issue in dekko I imagine
[18:22] <joe_w> shall i log a bug report on launchpad?
[18:24] <pmcgowan> joe_w, yes, I see several such crashes and Dan says he is replacing the backend
[18:24] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/
[18:25] <pmcgowan> joe_w, there are many crash at start bugs there
[18:25] <clifford_> does anyone also have problems with the browser in the aquaris 4.5 when scrolling loses control and you end at the bottom of the page before you know it? I never used to have this but seemed to be introduced a few otas back
[18:25] <joe_w> pmcgowan, thanks for your help anyway, will log a report..
[18:25] <pmcgowan> joe_w, ok or just add yourself to an existing one
[18:26] <clifford_> the guardian homepage is a good example to see this in action
[18:26] <pmcgowan> clifford_, there is a known issue where scroll events queue up during rendering
[18:26] <clifford_> can you possibly direct me to the bug report?
[18:27] <pmcgowan> yep one sec
[18:27] <clifford_> thanks
[18:28] <pmcgowan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1584965
[18:28] <pmcgowan> clifford_, ^
[18:29] <clifford_> mañy thanks. it drives me nuts. also you can see another bug in this text where typing freezes for a second and you end up with a held down character
[18:29] <pmcgowan> hmm not sure thats been reported
[18:32] <clifford_> it happens quite often on krillin. between that the browser scrolling and the pages closing with memory issues id just assumed it was a problem with the lower spec of the phone and the high demands of ubuntu
[18:32] <pmcgowan> clifford_, the  memory management was improved in this update so tabs shouldn't get freed as often
[18:34] <clifford_> I might report the keyboard bug then. its almost as if I'm typing too fast and so it freezes for a second but that freeze acts like I'm holding down a key so the character changes when it comes out of the freeze
[18:35] <clifford_> its intermittent
[18:36] <pmcgowan> dumb question does it happen when its plugged in to usb?
[18:37] <pmcgowan> we actually saw cases where that interfered with the touch screen oddly enough
[18:38] <clifford_> hmm ill need to test. I'm plugged into usb now when it just occurred. ill look out for when it happens
[18:39] <clifford_> I actually use my old BB charger as the one from bq wasn't UK adapted
[18:58] <morsnowski> hi all, I'm Mike and I bricked my ubuntu phone.
[18:59] <morsnowski> an aquarris 4.5
[18:59] <morsnowski> can anyone give me alink to a tut that teels me how to unbrick it?
[18:59] <morsnowski> tells more like it
[19:02] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, did you originally flash it yourself or preinstalled
[19:03] <k1l> you cant brick the devices anymore, since the bootloader is hardcoded and will always boot in todays devices. so start with what you did and what error you get.
[19:03] <morsnowski> no it came preinstalled from the factory, it is one of the first phones they threw on the market in these flashsales
[19:05] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, you can try https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[19:05] <pmcgowan> need to have your laptop/desktop setup for it
[19:06] <morsnowski> ok current situtation: when I turn it on it comes up with the white bq background goes then into the 'normal ubuntu' boot screen with the dots mrching from left to right. the the screen goes grey(not fully off). after that I can press the power button that will get the screen to go either grey or fully black. So there is still hope.
[19:06] <morsnowski> What I did to get there
[19:06] <morsnowski> I tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/358741/how-to-update-my-already-installed-ubuntu-touch-image?rq=1
[19:07] <morsnowski> that failed till I remounted the the drives as rw. After that I added the ppa again ran apt-get update && upgrade
[19:07] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, yeah that is not recommended
[19:08] <pmcgowan> just use the built in updater
[19:08] <morsnowski> all fine till here. when I ran dist-upgrade it told me I had a broken package but with -f it started
[19:08] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:08] <morsnowski> unfortunately it ran out of diskspace and simply hung. after a reboot I had that situation
[19:09] <k1l> i would just flash a new factory image from the bq guys, tbh
[19:09] <morsnowski> ok is there some link to a how to?
[19:10] <morsnowski> I would like to get the one that came out today but I'm happy when I get this thinkg unbricked
[19:10] <morsnowski> is there no button combination to reinstall the factory image?
[19:11] <pmcgowan> nope
[19:12] <pmcgowan> do you run ubuntu desktop?
[19:12] <morsnowski> yes
[19:12] <morsnowski> 16.04
[19:12] <k1l> morsnowski: you dont update your phone with apt-get
[19:12] <pmcgowan> then you can follow the link I posted above
[19:12] <k1l> the phone setup is a different one and image based.
[19:12] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, you can try https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[19:13] <morsnowski> pmcgowan, yes got that thanks. I'll see if I get it to work
[19:21] <morsnowski> pmcgowan, I can't do some of the steps. namely those to be performed on the device
[19:22] <morsnowski> also how do I get the phone to connect to the desktop, I have an usb cable connected and just rebooted the phone
[19:22] <morsnowski> but the desktop seems not to have noticed it
[19:23] <k1l> for flashing it needs to be in the fastboot mode. which is power+volumeUP or DOWN. depending on the device
[19:26] <dobey> more importantly, you need the recovery image listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash for your device
[19:28] <morsnowski> ok I it into fastboot mode but that is not motivating my desktop to show any response
[19:28] <robinhero> hey guys, is there a wiki page/article about this phased upgrade? so can I read about this somewhere?
[19:28] <morsnowski> it still says 2016/06/01 21:26:19 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[19:29] <morsnowski> do i need to press anything
[19:30] <dobey> i'm not entirely sure with the retail phones
[19:33] <k1l> connecting it with the fastboot mode should work, as i read.
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> right so  I have recieved a PDF in my emails
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and I will get them sometimes since something
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a group :D
[19:33] <morsnowski> nope what I head to do was point the it to the right image
[19:34] <morsnowski> the standard image was not accepted
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but I noticed last night that it can't really open them in anything
[19:34] <morsnowski> now it's running, I'll let you know once it's done
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> from say dekoo it suggestd libre office I think, but won't open there so
[19:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> is there a app maybe or something I could actsually use to open them ?
[19:35] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: doc viewer
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, doc viewer ok, but I  got to install myself?
[19:35] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: i don't know if it's installed by default on any devices or not
[19:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> a PDF viewer would be useful by default :)
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, seems sily to load up the lap top to view a PDF :d
[19:36] <SylvieLorxu> It wasn't installed on default on my M10, really should have been
[19:36] <dobey> doc viewer handles a lot more than just pdf
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, doc viewer you mean
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ?
[19:36] <SylvieLorxu> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes
[19:36] <dobey> and it's like 70 MB click package
[19:36] <dobey> just install it from the store
[19:36] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ok I'll install that thanks :)
[19:36] <SylvieLorxu> Well we can remove Amazon, eBay, 7digital, etc. to make space for it :D
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> probably over looked a PDF viewer when going through well evertyhing in app store or trying to h eh
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> be that on Ubuntu phones first, then tablet
[19:37] <dobey> SylvieLorxu: well, remote scopes don't take any space on the device, so "removing" them won't do anything :)
[19:37] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, well hopefully it or a program  like it if not will become a default app, like Dekko became as of I think it's OTA 10
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh just thought of something else as well
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> how to take a screen shot?
[19:38] <dobey> vol up+dn at same time
[19:38] <SylvieLorxu> SebthreeBQM10HD: Dekko is nice, just a shame it crashes when I try to add an openmailbox.org account
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ah yeah that was it I guess
[19:38] <dobey> at least, on phones. i guess it's same on tablet
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I forgot for phone
[19:38] <SebthreeBQM10HD> let's try :d
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> click ok I think it did
[19:39]  * SebthreeBQM10HD checks gallery
[19:39] <SebthreeBQM10HD> yep that was it thanks again :)
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, yeah  its nice but basic, I was thinking maybe a bit to basic at first, but now I think it's mostly ok
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, you can play around with Libertine and try and do Mozilla Thunderbird :D :)
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I haven't messed around with trying to run own stuff just yet
[19:40] <SylvieLorxu> Is Libertine is OTA-11?
[19:40] <SylvieLorxu> I didn't notice it :(
[19:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, yes of course :)
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, but to install programs you have to use command line
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but the liberotne scope it seems will do the icons or something like that
[19:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, I am going totry the old thing for OTA 10  first,  where you hack or whatever the default thing  xmir apps, but that's no longer needed as of ota 11
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> !libertine
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> there's a wiki page
[19:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, plus bregma is the libertine expert :D h eh
[19:44] <SylvieLorxu> I was hoping that the update would've moved GIMP, Xchat, Firefox and LibreOffice to "Legacy Apps" so it would be easier to tell that they would only be usable with an external keyboard
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> But they haven't
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, they are working on that, so they can be used with the touch screen keyboard :)
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> The only Libertine thing I want is the Touch SDK :P
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> Oh, fancy!
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, I guess that features may come in the next OTA update OTA 12
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> That would be super cool
[19:45] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the touch SDK  development kit ?
[19:45] <SylvieLorxu> Yes
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, what so you can make native apps :) ?
[19:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now that's something UBuntu Touch needs more of, and I  Mean in the real offical store to,  there's some other interesting ones it seems but in a unoffical store hmm
[19:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, I feel I don't need a lap top mostly now again :d,  tablet is nice espeicaly with this bluetooth keyboar dock thing
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> SebthreeBQM10HD: Yes, I run Gentoo and Debian and on both setting it up sucks
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> And I already have an Ubuntu: the tablet
[19:49] <SylvieLorxu> So....
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> SylvieLorxu, bluetoot with Genoot and DEbian hmm.  never used with a computer or even ubuntu phone yet
[19:52] <SebthreeBQM10HD> with the computer usb was fine :d
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> can also use usb otg with Ubuntu  phone meizu mx 4 and tablet so that's nice
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> document viewer installed :D
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> now lets see if it can just open from dekoo to :d
[19:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> the email
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, SylvieLorxu ok so no it wasn't a PDF,  it was a uh ah docx,  not so technical Windows users who also emaill you from a hotmail address uh (and once I got some fake email apparnaty from them )
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> however doc viewer seemed to mostly open the document up ok
[19:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> but a few things seemed a little off, but hey it was a docX
[19:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> interestingly doc viewer seems to use the same thing or something from libre office to open documents up as well
[20:02] <dobey> SebthreeBQM10HD: yes, doc viewer usees a version of the LO lib for renering such docs
[20:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> dobey, which is interesting, and easier than starting from scratch with an own implementation sure
[20:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> reverse enginering propriratyr formats etc uh
[20:16] <morsnowski> pmcgowan, ok it did the "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap" step but after uploading three files to the device it says failed to enter recovery
[20:16] <morsnowski> any idea
[20:17] <dobey> morsnowski: as i said earlier, you hae to grab the recovery image from the link i pasted, and pass that in to ubuntu-device-flash with --recovery-image
[20:19] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, it can also report that incorrectly at times and will actually boot properly, but dobey is right to use the latest recovery
[20:20] <morsnowski> ok I'll try that next then
[20:22] <morsnowski> would that be the sdb recovery image?
[20:22] <morsnowski> adb
[20:23] <dobey> it would be the one for your device, listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_ubuntu-device-flash
[20:23] <dobey> download the right recoveery.img file, and pass it u-d-f with --recovery-image when flashing
[20:28] <morsnowski> dobey, I'm new to this can you point to the correct link or syntax for using that image e.g what do I need to start on the desktop and what do I need to do to the phone
[20:32] <pmcgowan> morsnowski, same command you did before when in the bootloader just with the --recovery-image part added
[20:33] <morsnowski> ok and where do I add the image location?
[20:34] <pmcgowan> you need to download the image locally
[20:34] <pmcgowan> then just specify it on the command line option
[20:34] <morsnowski> I did but where does it go into the commandline
[20:34] <morsnowski> :)
[20:34] <morsnowski> that is what is unclear
[20:34] <pmcgowan> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap --recovery-image path-to-image
[20:34] <morsnowski> thanks a mil
[20:35] <pmcgowan> u-d-f has some contextual help too
[20:35] <morsnowski> where does the u-d-f go?
[20:35] <pmcgowan> ubuntu-device-flash I mean
[20:35] <pmcgowan> so ubuntu-device-flash touch --help
[20:36] <morsnowski> oh thanks, I have to get into this but there is soi much ubuntu stuff by now that it becomes difficult to stay abreast in all of them
[20:36] <pmcgowan> sure
[20:36] <pmcgowan> good news is it seems it should work
[20:54] <hasan> Hi, still wait for OTA-11 :D
[20:55] <hasan> Can I wait for convergence on my Aquaris E4.5 based on Ubuntu Insights' latest post: "And the best bit is we’ll be rolling this out across all Ubuntu smartphones and tablets for future OTAs." !!?? :)
[21:06] <Shah_> Hi everybody !
[21:06] <Shah_> Little question : Is it possible to execute a bash
[21:07] <Shah_> And do not loose the updates routine ?
[21:26] <morsnowski> dobey & pmcgowan, thanks a mil got it working again and with ota 11 too
[22:17] <mcphail> how's ota11 working out for everyone? Nice update?
[22:19] <k1l> "still in memphis" :)
[22:20] <k1l> https://xkcd.com/281/
[22:25] <mcphail> :)
[22:25] <popey> haha
[22:26] <popey> ooh, just arrived on my bq e4.5
[22:26]  * popey installs
[22:27] <mcphail> do you keep some of your phones on stable purely for the joy of the big OTA?
[22:28] <popey> i keep my original first purchased bq e4.5 on stable yes
[22:28] <popey> all of the marvin devices are on stable too
[22:28] <popey> I'll update them en masse tomorrow
[22:28] <popey> my m10 and pro 5 are on rc-proposed though
[22:30] <popey> i do like this fancy new flash screen http://imgur.com/dAZ1a9V
[22:30] <mcphail> ooh. that is cool
[22:31] <popey> \o/ it boots
[22:32] <mcphail> Im going to give it a try next week. I'm missing my ubuntu goodness
[22:34] <mcphail> ...see if i can get firefox working ;)
[22:37] <popey> hahah
[22:40] <nhaines> If I want the pocket desktop on my Nexus 7, I need to stick with rc-proposed still, right?
[22:43] <sil2100> nhaines: yeah
[22:50] <nhaines> sil2100: boo!
[22:51] <nhaines> The last I checked, I had an issue in that my libertine folders in my home directory were wiped every time I rebooted.
[22:51] <sil2100> nhaines: not enough time to QA so many platforms!
[22:51] <nhaines> So I'll be looking into that more closely once I can reflash (which is tomorrow when my Clash of Clans clan war is over.)