| Switches | But at the mo they are all separate pretty much, since my server went and died :p | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | *gasp* | 00:00 |
| daftykins | when mines down entertainment is greatly limited, such as when my PSU failed | 00:00 |
| Switches | Yeah I can't say I didn't get my time outta my little Dell tbh, I got it from a company I was working at when they were going to bin it.. It's probably around 15 years old xD | 00:01 |
| daftykins | what died? | 00:03 |
| Switches | Memory | 00:03 |
| Switches | And its ECC Reg dimms, was looking at getting some for it, but haven't found any that will actually work. | 00:04 |
| Switches | Plus the fact that ones I have found have been in the £600 range, I can build a decent system for that :p | 00:05 |
| daftykins | ooh i misread the date on the press embargo being June 29th, i doubt i'll want to wait for AMD's offerings | 00:10 |
| daftykins | (that's just the Polaris press event) | 00:10 |
| Switches | :( | 00:11 |
| diddledan | how did you get ahold of the date when it's embargoed? | 00:11 |
| daftykins | http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th | 00:13 |
| diddledan | so is the "June 1st Event" in an hour and a bit or in 25hours and a bit? | 00:15 |
| diddledan | i.e. GMT says it's June 1st now. but they might be using a merry can time | 00:16 |
| daftykins | http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here | 00:17 |
| daftykins | 100 mins | 00:17 |
| diddledan | aha | 00:17 |
| * diddledan leaves that tab open | 00:17 | |
| daftykins | these are exciting times! | 00:18 |
| diddledan | I wonder if the AMD GPU + HyperV + DRM video issue has been solved yet | 00:18 |
| daftykins | wussat? | 00:19 |
| diddledan | netflix wouldn't work on my old AMD card when I had Hyper-V turned-on | 00:19 |
| diddledan | https://help.netflix.com/en/node/5026 | 00:20 |
| daftykins | how about if you run a nice virt tech ;D | 00:20 |
| diddledan | lol | 00:21 |
| diddledan | the problem is the winphone emulizer from visual studio required hyper-v | 00:21 |
| diddledan | requires* | 00:21 |
| daftykins | :< | 00:22 |
| daftykins | how evil of 'em | 00:22 |
| daftykins | how ghetto is your card? | 00:22 |
| diddledan | it's not now. I got an nvidia because I bricked the AMD with a botched firmware | 00:22 |
| daftykins | oh yeah | 00:23 |
| daftykins | wasn't that the time i mentioned the idea of putting it in the secondary slot, if you have a board with 2 x PEG slots, then flashing it to resurrect? | 00:23 |
| diddledan | I could try putting it in alongside the nvidia to try reflashing | 00:23 |
| daftykins | ;D | 00:23 |
| diddledan | yeah that | 00:23 |
| daftykins | diddledan: this might be better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icm9B1nkGJ0 | 00:28 |
| diddledan | aah yeah, that'll probably be a good stream | 00:28 |
| daftykins | is it time yet?! | 00:30 |
| diddledan | 15 minutes? | 01:40 |
| daftykins | close, ja | 01:41 |
| daftykins | just watched a Better Call Saul episode to march on the time ;D | 01:42 |
| daftykins | it started! | 01:45 |
| diddledan | anyone got any glue - to pass the time you watch tellybox, I slice my thumb open | 01:47 |
| daftykins | you didn't D: | 01:47 |
| diddledan | ackident | 01:48 |
| diddledan | damned fan-header was exposed and my thumb was careless | 01:48 |
| daftykins | diddledan: this accent :D | 02:02 |
| diddledan | :-) | 02:03 |
| daftykins | actually i don't want to download drivers every day ;D | 02:09 |
| daftykins | bettin' big on VR, then | 02:12 |
| diddledan | the report was right about the cost then | 02:15 |
| Switches | yeah | 02:15 |
| daftykins | indeedy | 02:15 |
| daftykins | wonder what the performance will be | 02:15 |
| daftykins | fair chunk lower TFLOPS than the nvidia 1070 even | 02:16 |
| diddledan | comes in 4GB and 8GB | 02:16 |
| daftykins | holy moly they've made a jump there | 02:16 |
| diddledan | 14 nanny meters | 02:16 |
| daftykins | season for doom XD | 02:18 |
| diddledan | we're doomed | 02:19 |
| diddledan | wow that's purdy | 02:19 |
| daftykins | heh gonna need a new TV to see HDR ;) | 02:20 |
| daftykins | c'mon demoooo | 02:21 |
| Switches | Now that's impressive.. | 02:23 |
| daftykins | shame SLI/CF suck | 02:24 |
| Switches | Crossfire doesn't suck unless it's on Linux xD | 02:24 |
| daftykins | i've never been a fan of dual card solutions | 02:25 |
| daftykins | hrmm well that's probably the only bit i was fussed about | 02:25 |
| Switches | SLi just sucks everywhere, none of the lower end cards supported it | 02:25 |
| daftykins | guy in the red shirt is anandtech's British fella i think | 02:26 |
| Switches | That was good to see, shame I don't have a dual slot CF board :p | 02:26 |
| diddledan | does anyone have an ability to do mixed-vendor multicard? | 02:26 |
| daftykins | yep | 02:26 |
| Switches | DX12 | 02:26 |
| Switches | Vulkan | 02:26 |
| daftykins | best combo is one AMD and one nvidia supposedly | 02:26 |
| daftykins | there are benchmarks out there | 02:26 |
| Switches | AMD gets a bonus for not needed a bloody huge bridge between the cards xD | 02:27 |
| daftykins | you don't know yet... | 02:27 |
| Switches | They won't and haven't for the last 2 or 3 generations, they even have Dual Graphics for a Discrete/APU | 02:28 |
| Switches | And that was meant to be Discrete+APU >.< it's to late | 02:28 |
| Switches | I want to see if they managed to cram R7>9 performance into an APU yet | 02:29 |
| daftykins | hehe | 02:29 |
| Switches | They are doing the FX!! yes! | 02:30 |
| Switches | There has been talk around that they weren't doing the FX and only doing the APU | 02:30 |
| daftykins | yay demos | 02:31 |
| Switches | hmm wait a sec they added graphics to the FX series.. I hope not.. | 02:32 |
| daftykins | sounds like FX here is just a top tier of APU | 02:32 |
| Switches | Maybe | 02:32 |
| Switches | Yeah look FX 9800 APU | 02:33 |
| daftykins | hah that vid told nothing | 02:33 |
| daftykins | (of the game) | 02:33 |
| diddledan | hah, had to be the bunny | 02:35 |
| daftykins | ;] | 02:35 |
| Switches | Hmm quad core | 02:35 |
| Switches | Oh ffs.. really AMD >.< | 02:36 |
| diddledan | we want MOAR CORES | 02:36 |
| daftykins | tee-hee | 02:36 |
| daftykins | MS in the place | 02:36 |
| Switches | We want new cores not bloody Excavator >.< | 02:37 |
| daftykins | everyone has a small shrubbery on them | 02:37 |
| diddledan | yeah I was wondering about those shrubs, too | 02:37 |
| Switches | 300 million devices, 297 million forced to upgrade :p | 02:39 |
| diddledan | I need to flog myself. I like win10 | 02:39 |
| Switches | lol | 02:39 |
| Switches | Na Win 10 aint so bad | 02:39 |
| daftykins | 'tis nice, even though it's setting the tinfoilers off | 02:40 |
| Switches | MS always sets them off | 02:40 |
| diddledan | "hi, erm, I'm Dan, and I'm.. *chokes up*.. a windows user" | 02:40 |
| Switches | pmsl | 02:40 |
| daftykins | that's 'cause it's only cool to report on them as being evil | 02:40 |
| daftykins | clickbait++ | 02:40 |
| Switches | Yep | 02:40 |
| diddledan | I wonder if the FX will fit AM3+ sockets or if a new board is required | 02:41 |
| Switches | well they said its AM4 | 02:41 |
| diddledan | grr | 02:41 |
| Switches | All the new chips are AM4 | 02:41 |
| diddledan | :-( | 02:41 |
| diddledan | sucky | 02:41 |
| daftykins | i lost track of all the sockets everyone has now | 02:41 |
| diddledan | probably new south bridge too, which is a good thing | 02:42 |
| diddledan | the SB950 is ancient now | 02:42 |
| Switches | Well it is and it aint tbh, AM3+ can't handle DDR4 and that's where a lot of trouble has come from I think | 02:42 |
| daftykins | yes mate, you're totally a gamer | 02:43 |
| diddledan | he just watches the demo mode | 02:43 |
| daftykins | secretly he's a penguin | 02:43 |
| daftykins | t.. that's a box? | 02:45 |
| Switches | HP now.. | 02:45 |
| diddledan | it's got a stripe! | 02:45 |
| daftykins | woo \o/ | 02:45 |
| Switches | Speed Stripe! | 02:45 |
| diddledan | that's hooge | 02:46 |
| daftykins | i kinda wanted that to snap | 02:46 |
| Switches | I want her to drop it.. | 02:46 |
| daftykins | :P | 02:46 |
| Switches | SNAP! | 02:47 |
| daftykins | i don't even like shopping on HP's website let alone can i imagine buying one | 02:47 |
| daftykins | oh please that's just intel's login tech | 02:47 |
| Switches | Freesync laptop.. | 02:48 |
| daftykins | it's a small audience | 02:48 |
| diddledan | and another shrubbery | 02:48 |
| daftykins | looking generic as | 02:49 |
| Switches | rofl | 02:50 |
| Switches | "Saving the best for last" Dell digging at HP :p | 02:50 |
| daftykins | :D | 02:50 |
| daftykins | and MS | 02:50 |
| Switches | Yeah | 02:50 |
| Switches | Hmm R7 445 | 02:51 |
| daftykins | so no Zen o0 | 02:52 |
| daftykins | ooh they're doing an Apple 'one more thing' | 02:53 |
| Switches | Hmm doesn't look like it.. | 02:53 |
| daftykins | there it is! | 02:53 |
| Switches | I knew that was coming with Intel saying they aren't focusing on PCs | 02:53 |
| daftykins | ermagerd | 02:54 |
| Switches | here it is | 02:54 |
| daftykins | it's... a big splodge | 02:54 |
| diddledan | oooh, it's a circle | 02:54 |
| Switches | ohhh | 02:55 |
| daftykins | dat AM4 | 02:55 |
| diddledan | 16threads | 02:55 |
| Switches | Summit ridge | 02:56 |
| daftykins | hmm Q3 | 02:56 |
| diddledan | xmas | 02:57 |
| daftykins | that'd be financial Q3 no? | 02:57 |
| daftykins | hmm so no info for now | 02:59 |
| Switches | $100>300 :o | 02:59 |
| daftykins | i'm so pleased they're sorting themselves out, we need AMD to stop sucking big time | 03:00 |
| daftykins | only 12k watched that, odd | 03:00 |
| Switches | Well the only bad bit about that was again with the rebadged/rehashed cores for the processor lineup | 03:03 |
| daftykins | i'm still puzzled over this "51% utilisation" of the 2 x RX 480s when compared to that 1080 | 03:04 |
| mappps | hi;] | 03:06 |
| Switches | Ashes of the Singularity supports async compute afaik | 03:06 |
| Switches | That would explain the difference, Nvidia basically ignore it | 03:06 |
| Switches | heya mappps | 03:07 |
| daftykins | Switches: to me it almost sounds like they could've taken one card out and run the other full tilt ;D | 03:07 |
| mappps | ;] | 03:07 |
| daftykins | mappps: my uncle visited Gib and couldn't get his google mails! how weird | 03:07 |
| mappps | hmm really | 03:07 |
| mappps | how long was he here for.and that is odd thouh | 03:08 |
| mappps | i use gmail | 03:08 |
| daftykins | just the weekend, well i've got him set up on gapps | 03:08 |
| daftykins | he reckoned he was on wifi too | 03:08 |
| mappps | hm oodd | 03:09 |
| mappps | what did hendo whilst here | 03:10 |
| daftykins | not a clue | 03:10 |
| daftykins | first i heard was him saying he couldn't get his email, then said it was fine once back here o0 | 03:11 |
| daftykins | he wa pretty vague really | 03:11 |
| mappps | hehe | 03:11 |
| daftykins | it was one of those classic support queries where it's like "can you throw the switch that makes it all work in Gibraltar please?" | 03:12 |
| mappps | lol | 03:12 |
| mappps | could just have been shoddy wifi | 03:13 |
| daftykins | mmm, mayhaps | 03:13 |
| mappps | plenty of places with crap wifi | 03:14 |
| mappps | sometimes work doesnt load on some places iwifi | 03:14 |
| daftykins | ah well, oddly he doesn't seem fussed to chase it much - probably gave himself a proper holiday for once ;) bit of a workaholic type | 03:14 |
| mappps | where is he from | 03:15 |
| daftykins | here | 03:15 |
| mappps | aha | 03:15 |
| daftykins | reetyo, AMD event is over so time for bed! | 03:16 |
| Switches | night mate | 03:17 |
| daftykins | ta-ra folks \o | 03:18 |
| mappps | night mate | 03:18 |
| mappps | late no hm | 03:26 |
| mappps | now | 03:26 |
| mappps | still up Switches ? | 03:43 |
| Switches | Yeah mate, just having a ciggy and reading up on a few second hand parts I'm after for my system | 03:44 |
| mappps | what system | 03:45 |
| mappps | bit late isnt it;) | 03:45 |
| Switches | Well depends on what you call late, I don't normally go to be until about 9am or so :p | 03:45 |
| mappps | oh | 03:46 |
| mappps | what time do you get up | 03:46 |
| Switches | Normally in the afternoon, I get around 6>8 hours sleep a day | 03:46 |
| mappps | i work nights but try to sleep from 7/8am | 03:46 |
| Switches | To many years doing graveyard shifts | 03:47 |
| mappps | i like nights, always been a night person | 03:47 |
| Switches | Same here, but it's kinda made it hard to get a somewhat normal sleeping pattern :p | 03:48 |
| mappps | hahah yea7 | 03:48 |
| mappps | for me..working nights is ess stress, less people, more relaxed | 03:49 |
| mappps | much prefer it | 03:49 |
| mappps | even when i didnt work nights id be uptill 2/3am | 03:49 |
| Switches | Yep, you can get to chill out | 03:49 |
| mappps | ja all the busy bodies and managers gone home | 03:49 |
| mappps | noone bugging you | 03:49 |
| mappps | watching what everyones upto | 03:49 |
| Switches | :D yep, people watching is fun sometimes | 03:50 |
| mappps | not when people watch your screens | 03:50 |
| mappps | at night its like do your job..go home..end of heh | 03:50 |
| mappps | no busy bodies checking every little thing | 03:50 |
| Switches | That's always a good thing | 03:50 |
| mappps | :D | 03:55 |
| Switches | I aint really the social type anyways, I'd rather try and have a convo with a wall than talk to people :p | 03:55 |
| mappps | heh7 | 03:57 |
| mappps | off to sleeep tv on ill fall asleep to it | 03:59 |
| Switches | :) ok mate, sleep well | 04:00 |
| mappps | once i get curtains in the longe i might start watching tv there..then can just fal asleep | 04:00 |
| mappps | but atm only got nets and its sunny here a lot | 04:00 |
| Switches | :( getting rather light here aswell | 04:00 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:06 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:04 |
| SuperMatt | g'day | 08:05 |
| foobarry | bonjour | 08:12 |
| SuperMatt | Ohayōgozaimasu | 08:13 |
| diplo | Bonjour mon ami's ( not sure on plural :D ) | 08:13 |
| foobarry | mes amis | 08:19 |
| davmor2 | Morning all you hippies | 08:21 |
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| diplo | I did know that, I do suck at typing french :) | 08:32 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 08:56 |
| popey | yo | 08:57 |
| brobostigon | :) | 08:59 |
| TwistedLucidity | Morning | 09:03 |
| TwistedLucidity | Silly question - can [K]Ubuntu use WiFi across 40Mhz or is it limited to 20Mhz? | 09:04 |
| TwistedLucidity | Because I have an Intel wireless NIC that only appears to be using one channel, and that could well explain my dreadful WiFi performance. | 09:05 |
| popey | driver thing innit? | 09:08 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But I've never had to deal with such and issue and am pretty lost. | 09:08 |
| TwistedLucidity | The NIC should be able to do 300Mbps (i.e. multi-channel) but I'm not sure what to fiddle or where. | 09:09 |
| TwistedLucidity | I could, of course, be entirely wrong about everything. I often am. | 09:09 |
| zmoylan-pi | you could be wrong about been wrong... :-) | 09:09 |
| TwistedLucidity | That has also happened.... | 09:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | doesn't really give you much of a chance does it... :-) | 09:14 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: you can check the current link with "iw wlan0 link" | 09:15 |
| MartijnVdS | it shows tx bitrate | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | and MCS in use | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | use http://mcsindex.com/ to determine what it's doing | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | mine shows: | 09:16 |
| MartijnVdS | tx bitrate: 117.0 MBit/s MCS 14 | 09:16 |
| TwistedLucidity | I've been using "iperf" and it's report ~35Mpbs on a supposed 300Mbps link. The router itself show 130Mbps 20Mhz, something dropping to 65Mbps | 09:17 |
| MartijnVdS | which, by looking at that table, means 2 spatial streams, 64-QAM 3/4, 117mbit | 09:17 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: 802.11n "300 mbit link" will never give you actual 300 mbit/s | 09:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Thanks MartijnVdS, I shall try that at lunch. | 09:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yeah, i know 300Mbps is (basically) false advertising, but only getting 35Mbps is fairly ridiculous | 09:18 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah that's a bit low | 09:18 |
| popey | tx bitrate: 65.0 MBit/s MCS 7 | 09:18 |
| popey | :( | 09:18 |
| MartijnVdS | On 2.4GHz, you're not going to get 40MHz channels though | 09:18 |
| popey | oh | 09:18 |
| * popey switches to 5g | 09:18 | |
| MartijnVdS | because once a second AP is detected, the standard dictates that it should only use 20MHz channels | 09:18 |
| TwistedLucidity | This is on 5Mhz and I'm sure I saw a dual channel setting on 2.4 | 09:19 |
| * TwistedLucidity goes to check | 09:19 | |
| popey | tx bitrate: 130.0 MBit/s MCS 15 | 09:19 |
| MartijnVdS | and 2.4 supports dual channel.. it's just that you'll have to disconnect all of your neighbours first ;) | 09:19 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, there's one fool running on channel 5 and when I find them...... | 09:20 |
| MartijnVdS | 1,6,11 are "recommended" channels, as they don't overlap. 5 kills a lot of channels at once ... | 09:20 |
| TwistedLucidity | So, if I understand you, as soon as my router sees any other 2.4Ghz singal, it restricts itself to 20Mhz to be a nice neighbour? Even though I've told it to use 40Mhz? | 09:21 |
| * popey hugs 13 | 09:21 | |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: Doesn't 13 overlap with 11? | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: As soon as it detects another AP overlappign the 40MHz bit you're using | 09:21 |
| MartijnVdS | so if you're using 1+6, an AP on 11 somehwere else is fine | 09:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | MartijnVdS: Gotcha, that makes total sense. | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | 13 and 11 overlap | 09:22 |
| MartijnVdS | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#/media/File:2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_(802.11b,g_WLAN).svg | 09:22 |
| popey | better than having lots on 11 | 09:22 |
| TwistedLucidity | Aww crikey...some cretin is on 10 as well | 09:23 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: wifi tends to handle interference on the same channel better than on "half overlapping" ones | 09:23 |
| TwistedLucidity | Yup | 09:23 |
| popey | hm | 09:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | If I can identify my errant neighbours, I wonder how I go about persuading them to switch to a sensible channel.... | 09:24 |
| popey | oh, now i check, I'm on 11 anyway | 09:24 |
| popey | seems i must have reverted back when i re-flashed openwrt | 09:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | OpenWRT FTW! | 09:25 |
| popey | ya | 09:25 |
| popey | oh, while we are talking about wifi | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: I have one of these at home: http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT -- very shiny :) | 09:26 |
| popey | i need to setup another access point in my house, which should be a) cheap and b) easy to lock down to block basically everything bar very innocuous sites | 09:26 |
| popey | so using something like opendns for dns on it | 09:26 |
| popey | which overrides my own lan dns | 09:26 |
| popey | i was thinking a tp-link one running openwrt | 09:26 |
| MartijnVdS | That's possible, but TP-Link had some issues I think? With free firmware being blocked/ | 09:27 |
| popey | it's for half a dozen or so phones to connect to, and be separate from my home network | 09:27 |
| popey | yeah | 09:27 |
| popey | i dont mind other manufacturers | 09:27 |
| MartijnVdS | You can also add a second SSID to the current AP I think | 09:27 |
| popey | just want something i know i can control well with openwrt | 09:27 |
| popey | i absolutely do not want to use my current routers | 09:27 |
| TwistedLucidity | Why not just create a new network on the current router? You can assign different DNS as well | 09:27 |
| popey | no, not doing that | 09:27 |
| popey | needs to be separate | 09:27 |
| TwistedLucidity | You can totally isolate it | 09:28 |
| popey | can we look at the requirements? | 09:28 |
| popey | I very specifically do not want to do that | 09:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I haven't done OpenWRT stuff for a while.. so I don't know which devices work well these days | 09:28 |
| popey | yeah, mine are olde | 09:28 |
| popey | WNDR3700v2 | 09:28 |
| popey | could pick another one up on fleabay I guess :) | 09:29 |
| TwistedLucidity | I don't understand why (guess I don't need to) but yeah, a wee TP-Link jobby should cut it (so long as they permit customer firmware, companies are locking down) | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | I've been using Mikrotik hardware (and their own Linux-based software) lately, and it's great to work with | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | but that breaks the "openwrt" requirement | 09:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oddly enough, I was going to suggest that. | 09:30 |
| popey | TwistedLucidity: i need to be able to pick it all up and move it, i can't pick up my own router and move it without losing my own internet | 09:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | The CLI is nice, GUI tool needs WINE though. | 09:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: Bingo, you never said that! | 09:30 |
| popey | i didnt have to | 09:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | Makes sense now | 09:30 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: the web based GUI works fine cross-platform | 09:30 |
| popey | ooh | 09:31 |
| popey | wndr3700 is 20 quid on fleabay | 09:31 |
| popey | that might be the least worst option | 09:31 |
| MartijnVdS | nice & cheeep | 09:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | Oh, last ones I used had no web, just CLI or some Windows thingy-ma-job | 09:31 |
| popey | as I know i can make those work | 09:31 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Say Something Nice Day! 😃 ❤ | 09:31 |
| popey | wow, tons of them on there | 09:31 |
| popey | hel-lo, what's this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7dBi-Antenna-Mod-Kit-for-Netgear-WNDR3700-v-2-N600-WNDR3400-WNDR3300-v-2-/140829834472?hash=item20ca1cbce8:g:BysAAMXQhuVRMU36 | 09:32 |
| popey | will that give better range to my current access points? | 09:32 |
| popey | or is it snake oil? | 09:32 |
| TwistedLucidity | Some routers have removable antennas and using higher spec ones is totally a thing. Whether or not *those ones* are snake oil, I can't say | 09:34 |
| TwistedLucidity | This is exactly what I'm using: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Buffalo-AirStation-Nfiniti-300-Mbps-Gigabit-Wireless-N-Router-WZR-HP-G300NH2-/131833391885?hash=item1eb1e1eb0d:g:FWMAAOSw0gdXTaDn | 09:36 |
| TwistedLucidity | And no it's not, wrong blasted link | 09:36 |
| TwistedLucidity | It's a WZR-HP-AG300H, can't see any for sale at a sensible price on fleabay | 09:37 |
| ne2k | I would like to try desktop virtualization, i.e. a beefy server running VMs and/or containers with desktops for multiple users connecting using thin clients (possibly raspberry pis) I normally use Promox as the KVM/VZ host so would like to continue doing so. for Windows guests the obvious choice is RDP, but for a Linux desktop running in a VM, what would be the best remote viewer solution for this? vnc4server X server? spice into prox | 09:41 |
| ne2k | mox using the virtual display? something else? | 09:41 |
| popey | ne2k: x2go seems popular and performant | 09:51 |
| TwistedLucidity | Can Linux use the latest version of RDP (which I think is 6)? I seem to recall we were limited to version 5 or something. | 09:53 |
| ne2k | popey, do you run an X server as well as the X2Go server? would it be a headless one? | 09:53 |
| popey | i have never run it | 09:54 |
| popey | but i hear others talk about it a lot | 09:54 |
| ne2k | Linux Terminal Server Project sounds like it's the sort of thing I want, but it seems rather stagnant as a project | 09:55 |
| TwistedLucidity | NoMachine? | 09:55 |
| ne2k | TwistedLucidity, ooh, NoMachine Terminal Server, that looks good | 09:56 |
| ne2k | can the client run on a RPi? | 09:56 |
| ne2k | hmm, they want lots of money for it | 09:57 |
| TwistedLucidity | There's a free version | 09:58 |
| MooDoo | anyone played with cloudready ? | 09:59 |
| ne2k | freenx | 10:03 |
| foobarry | MooDoo: yes | 10:05 |
| foobarry | didn't find it as lightweight as a light linux OS | 10:06 |
| ne2k | I'm looking at the Cloudready web page. I've read all the text on the page and I still have absolutely no idea what it actually /is/ | 10:07 |
| foobarry | chromebookify your non chromebook laptop | 10:07 |
| davmor2 | diplo: apparently it's okay, the French are on strike so nobody noticed | 10:10 |
| ne2k | it seems freenx /is/ nomachine | 10:10 |
| foobarry | i've tried all the remote desktops | 10:10 |
| foobarry | x2go is fast, x11rdp lets you use terminal services client (handy for when remote users aren't people under your control) | 10:11 |
| foobarry | spice desktop is potentially interesting for desktop virtualisation | 10:11 |
| foobarry | vmware horizon is the corporate solution for windows VM desktops | 10:12 |
| ne2k | foobarry, is there a headless x server that supports rdp (like vnc4server for vnc), rather than x11rdp which I presume connects to an existing "headful" x server? | 10:18 |
| ne2k | there's xrdp, but the documentation is SO BAD I can't work out what it is | 10:19 |
| foobarry | x2go will allow a new session or mirror of your existing one | 10:20 |
| ne2k | foobarry, does the client work on arm? | 10:21 |
| foobarry | the main issue i had with x2go is keyboard mappings for mac clients | 10:21 |
| foobarry | ARM architecture: for Debian squeeze and wheezy on ARM-based (Debian/armel) devices we provide client-side packages (x2goclient, pyhoca-gui, pyhoca-cli plus dependencies) | 10:22 |
| foobarry | prbably yes | 10:22 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: got covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHJuSZTjkE | 10:25 |
| ne2k | so I dare say you could run x2goserver in a container on Proxmox | 10:27 |
| ne2k | I'm wondering if it's possible to have a two-monitor-wide virtual desktop running in a VM with two single-monitor thin clients connected to each half of it. RPi has only one output, but is cheap so could have one per monitor | 10:35 |
| ne2k | popey, from what I've seen so far, x2go looks perfect | 10:40 |
| foobarry | x2go also allows detached apps to run | 10:45 |
| foobarry | e.g. just display a terminal window from the remote server on your display | 10:45 |
| foobarry | then run gedit, and it appears too seamlessly | 10:46 |
| ne2k | foobarry, cool. I'm going for desktop virtualization with a thin client so not for my use case, but interesting nonetheless | 10:47 |
| ne2k | I love the fact that x2goclient supports RDP as well as its own protocol, which means you can run it on a thin client and people can connect to linux or windows machines without havni to have two viewers on the thin client | 10:48 |
| popey | ne2k: yay | 10:56 |
| ne2k | do you think I'd be best to have a single VM with lots of people connecting to it and running their desktops, or separate containers or VMs for each user? | 11:47 |
| ne2k | if I'm going to set up a single VM to be a host for lots of users to connect to, should I install the desktop iso, or the server one and add stuff to it? | 11:51 |
| ne2k | I'm erring on the side of the desktop one, as it will have more of teh stuff suited to desktops. but I would want to disable the local x server and greeter, as they're not needed | 11:56 |
| foobarry | yes do desktop | 12:11 |
| ne2k | foobarry, trying out the new 16.04 desktop in a VM | 13:09 |
| TwistedLucidity | ne2k - how many cores does your host have, how many you assigning to the VM? | 13:10 |
| ne2k | TwistedLucidity, I'm only testing at the moment, so I've assigned four cores in Proxmox. the host has what is seen as twelve, but it's actually six cores, twelve threads, afaik | 13:11 |
| TwistedLucidity | Cool, you can assign as many as you like; but always leave one for the host | 13:11 |
| ne2k | TwistedLucidity, there's other VMs on this host atm so I didn't want to go overkill | 13:12 |
| TwistedLucidity | As to one desktop vs multi-VMS; all depends on exactly what they'll be doing | 13:12 |
| TwistedLucidity | Hrm...how hard is it to do multi-seat on a GNU/Linux desktop? (I've never actually tried, hence my question) | 13:13 |
| ne2k | what's the proper ubuntuish way to disable X at startup? | 13:13 |
| ne2k | TwistedLucidity, I've read the ubuntu article and it sounds rather involved, but not head-bangingly so, I don't think so | 13:14 |
| ne2k | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" plus sudo systemctl enable multi-user.target --force; sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target ? | 13:14 |
| TwistedLucidity | That's the great thing about a VM, you can take a snapshot just before you royally mess everything up! :-) | 13:15 |
| ne2k | lol | 13:16 |
| ne2k | hmmm. setting GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" alone doesn't work | 13:20 |
| === phablet is now known as SebthreeBQM10HD | ||
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 13:22 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: hello | 13:23 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | davmor2, hi you know abou touch OTA 11 :D ? | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: I do | 13:24 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | davmor2, what are the libertine changes? | 13:24 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: how do you mean? | 13:26 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | davmor2, is it easier to install own apps into libertine? or still got to hack purtine for example? | 13:27 |
| davmor2 | I've not tried I didn't land the last libertine, but my understanding is that the code to install apps is in place but you need a scope from the store which will land for ota11 so no idea if it is there or not right now, I think it is just called legacy apps scope or something like that | 13:28 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: no idea how hard or easy it is once you have those though | 13:29 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | davmor2, yeah a scope, I reemmber they were saying about something before. not sure if that's avaialble from the standard store for ota 11 hmm | 13:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | I guess I should upgrade and look around | 13:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | my understanding was that the purtine hack was only a tempory thing before the updates came if wanted to install other programs | 13:30 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | the omgubuntu ubuntu link I just read to do with ota 11 didn't say much about libertine so | 13:31 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: it's not released yet I don't think not soon though I think | 13:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | it is released according to omg ubuntu | 13:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | quite a recent blog post | 13:31 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | may take a day or two to show the upgrade being availalbe it seems to say as well though | 13:32 |
| ne2k | I should have installed Ubuntu-MATE instead, as Unity doesn't play nicely with x2go | 13:32 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: yeah but they say it is released when it isn't on the desktop releases too :D | 13:32 |
| davmor2 | SebthreeBQM10HD: it will be pushed today though | 13:32 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | yeah I Was thinking the upgrade would be on like Thursday or something :d | 13:33 |
| ne2k | hmmm, I've installed x2goserver and x2goserver-session and x2gomatebindings and mate-desktop-session but I can't get it to work. not much in the way of helpful error messages. tryign to find a log file | 13:37 |
| foobarry | i use lxde | 13:45 |
| foobarry | with x2go | 13:45 |
| ne2k | I was hoping to have something that felt like using native Ubuntu desktop. I'm a bit disappointed it doesn't work with Unity | 13:45 |
| ne2k | but I suppose it's not that surprising | 13:46 |
| ne2k | even MATE isn't working properly. I had to do some workaround in .profile to get it to load at all, and now all the icons are missing | 13:46 |
| ne2k | and it won't go full screen | 13:46 |
| ne2k | so, all-in-all, a bit shitto | 13:46 |
| foobarry | there is a irc chan for x2go | 13:47 |
| foobarry | the devs hang out in there | 13:47 |
| ne2k | yeah, might head over there | 13:47 |
| diddledan | what.. the.. duck.. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/msi-hp-zotac-backpack-vr-pc-details-specs-price-release-date/ | 14:37 |
| directhex | https://www.gog.com/connect - DRM-free versions of your steam games, via gog.com | 14:38 |
| diddledan | nice | 14:40 |
| popey | An error occurred while processing your request. | 14:48 |
| popey | Reference #30.67f1002.1464792530.db54fe9 | 14:48 |
| popey | bleh | 14:48 |
| diddledan | yeah I'm having trouble too | 14:49 |
| popey | 8th time's the charm | 14:50 |
| diddledan | I get "WE COULDN'T REACH THE STEAM SERVICE RIGHT NOW." | 14:50 |
| MartijnVdS | and that just beforet he summer sale ;) | 14:51 |
| popey | same | 14:51 |
| diddledan | eenteresting: https://github.com/eliangcs/http-prompt | 14:57 |
| directhex | progress! it now shows my accounts as linked, and says i own no games! | 15:56 |
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| diddledan | yup, ditto | 16:06 |
| phablet | 16:13 | |
| === phablet is now known as SebthreeBQM10HD | ||
| SebthreeBQM10HD | 16:14 | |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| Switches | I need more coffee.. and who gave alan_g Explosive Ordanance?! | 17:12 |
| daftykins | it could be "end of days" | 17:24 |
| daftykins | or "eating orange duck" ? | 17:25 |
| DJones | daftykins: "End of days".....Please don't.....I've not finished prepping for that yet | 18:03 |
| daftykins | when the horesemen cometh? | 18:03 |
| DJones | Yep, I still need my backpack nuke to err on the side of caution | 18:04 |
| DJones | Sounds like every book I read | 18:04 |
| phablet | 20:16 | |
| === phablet is now known as SebthreeBQM10HD | ||
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hi | 20:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | abc | 20:43 |
| daftykins | -_- | 20:43 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | :) | 20:43 |
| daftykins | #ubuntu might be a safe bet when you're unsure if you're present or not | 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | hmm? | 20:44 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, did you get to annoyed at #ubuntu not seen you there recently :d | 20:45 |
| daftykins | i am banned | 20:45 |
| daftykins | wow, Teamviewer has gotten hacked so bad some people are connecting into others PCs and raiding their online accounts :| | 20:46 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, you are banned from #ubuntu what why? and what's this about team viewer ? | 20:47 |
| daftykins | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/01/teamviewer_mass_breach_report/ | 20:47 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, by the way you might be able to help me with an idea for a speech at a public speaking group since you do windows rubbish a lot it seems | 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | and deal with non technicals as a result I guess | 20:48 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, I want to do one about the Microsoft scam call or to do with that | 20:48 |
| daftykins | 'rubbish' eh | 20:48 |
| daftykins | not getting any help from me then | 20:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, no I think you misunderstood me | 20:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, I meant doing stuff with Windows is a bit sucky I guess, but you get paid for it so not to bad :) | 20:49 |
| daftykins | too late, you burnt that bridge | 20:49 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | daftykins, you flipped out in #ubuntu and got banned I guess | 20:50 |
| daftykins | nope, but i'm not willing to discuss it | 20:51 |
| daftykins | at least, not with folks i don't know | 20:51 |
| daftykins | SebthreeBQM10HD: i don't really find your approach to be a pleasant one | 21:02 |
| diddledan | ello | 21:32 |
| daftykins | o/ | 21:33 |
| SebthreeBQM10HD | diddledan ello | 21:33 |
| diddledan | my thumb hurts | 23:32 |
| diddledan | bloomin fan-headers | 23:32 |
| daftykins | what've you been up to? :> | 23:33 |
| diddledan | I hurt it last night | 23:33 |
| daftykins | your fan header? | 23:33 |
| diddledan | my thumb was a careless idiot | 23:33 |
| diddledan | I was surgerising my pc while waiting for the amd stream | 23:33 |
| diddledan | and the naughty fan header jumped-up and bit my thumb | 23:34 |
| daftykins | oof! | 23:34 |
| diddledan | nice slice down one side | 23:35 |
| diddledan | only about 1.5cm tho | 23:36 |
| daftykins | 'tis but a scratch | 23:36 |
| daftykins | i've got surface #3 now in the post, so setting it up for the client again | 23:37 |
| diddledan | is it the same one you've been struggling with returned or have they replaced it? | 23:37 |
| daftykins | this is genuinely #3 now | 23:37 |
| daftykins | #2 got stood on :D | 23:37 |
| diddledan | wow | 23:37 |
| daftykins | they've all still got the sleep issues, totally flawed product | 23:38 |
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