[00:00] But at the mo they are all separate pretty much, since my server went and died :p [00:00] *gasp* [00:00] when mines down entertainment is greatly limited, such as when my PSU failed [00:01] Yeah I can't say I didn't get my time outta my little Dell tbh, I got it from a company I was working at when they were going to bin it.. It's probably around 15 years old xD [00:03] what died? [00:03] Memory [00:04] And its ECC Reg dimms, was looking at getting some for it, but haven't found any that will actually work. [00:05] Plus the fact that ones I have found have been in the £600 range, I can build a decent system for that :p [00:10] ooh i misread the date on the press embargo being June 29th, i doubt i'll want to wait for AMD's offerings [00:10] (that's just the Polaris press event) [00:11] :( [00:11] how did you get ahold of the date when it's embargoed? [00:13] http://videocardz.com/60373/amd-polaris-tech-day-nda-ends-on-june-29th [00:15] so is the "June 1st Event" in an hour and a bit or in 25hours and a bit? [00:16] i.e. GMT says it's June 1st now. but they might be using a merry can time [00:17] http://videocardz.com/60686/watch-amd-computex-polaris-update-live-stream-here [00:17] 100 mins [00:17] aha [00:17] * diddledan leaves that tab open [00:18] these are exciting times! [00:18] I wonder if the AMD GPU + HyperV + DRM video issue has been solved yet [00:19] wussat? [00:19] netflix wouldn't work on my old AMD card when I had Hyper-V turned-on [00:20] https://help.netflix.com/en/node/5026 [00:20] how about if you run a nice virt tech ;D [00:21] lol [00:21] the problem is the winphone emulizer from visual studio required hyper-v [00:21] requires* [00:22] :< [00:22] how evil of 'em [00:22] how ghetto is your card? [00:22] it's not now. I got an nvidia because I bricked the AMD with a botched firmware [00:23] oh yeah [00:23] wasn't that the time i mentioned the idea of putting it in the secondary slot, if you have a board with 2 x PEG slots, then flashing it to resurrect? [00:23] I could try putting it in alongside the nvidia to try reflashing [00:23] ;D [00:23] yeah that [00:28] diddledan: this might be better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icm9B1nkGJ0 [00:28] aah yeah, that'll probably be a good stream [00:30] is it time yet?! [01:40] 15 minutes? [01:41] close, ja [01:42] just watched a Better Call Saul episode to march on the time ;D [01:45] it started! [01:47] anyone got any glue - to pass the time you watch tellybox, I slice my thumb open [01:47] you didn't D: [01:48] ackident [01:48] damned fan-header was exposed and my thumb was careless [02:02] diddledan: this accent :D [02:03] :-) [02:09] actually i don't want to download drivers every day ;D [02:12] bettin' big on VR, then [02:15] the report was right about the cost then [02:15] yeah [02:15] indeedy [02:15] wonder what the performance will be [02:16] fair chunk lower TFLOPS than the nvidia 1070 even [02:16] comes in 4GB and 8GB [02:16] holy moly they've made a jump there [02:16] 14 nanny meters [02:18] season for doom XD [02:19] we're doomed [02:19] wow that's purdy [02:20] heh gonna need a new TV to see HDR ;) [02:21] c'mon demoooo [02:23] Now that's impressive.. [02:24] shame SLI/CF suck [02:24] Crossfire doesn't suck unless it's on Linux xD [02:25] i've never been a fan of dual card solutions [02:25] hrmm well that's probably the only bit i was fussed about [02:25] SLi just sucks everywhere, none of the lower end cards supported it [02:26] guy in the red shirt is anandtech's British fella i think [02:26] That was good to see, shame I don't have a dual slot CF board :p [02:26] does anyone have an ability to do mixed-vendor multicard? [02:26] yep [02:26] DX12 [02:26] Vulkan [02:26] best combo is one AMD and one nvidia supposedly [02:26] there are benchmarks out there [02:27] AMD gets a bonus for not needed a bloody huge bridge between the cards xD [02:27] you don't know yet... [02:28] They won't and haven't for the last 2 or 3 generations, they even have Dual Graphics for a Discrete/APU [02:28] And that was meant to be Discrete+APU >.< it's to late [02:29] I want to see if they managed to cram R7>9 performance into an APU yet [02:29] hehe [02:30] They are doing the FX!! yes! [02:30] There has been talk around that they weren't doing the FX and only doing the APU [02:31] yay demos [02:32] hmm wait a sec they added graphics to the FX series.. I hope not.. [02:32] sounds like FX here is just a top tier of APU [02:32] Maybe [02:33] Yeah look FX 9800 APU [02:33] hah that vid told nothing [02:33] (of the game) [02:35] hah, had to be the bunny [02:35] ;] [02:35] Hmm quad core [02:36] Oh ffs.. really AMD >.< [02:36] we want MOAR CORES [02:36] tee-hee [02:36] MS in the place [02:37] We want new cores not bloody Excavator >.< [02:37] everyone has a small shrubbery on them [02:37] yeah I was wondering about those shrubs, too [02:39] 300 million devices, 297 million forced to upgrade :p [02:39] I need to flog myself. I like win10 [02:39] lol [02:39] Na Win 10 aint so bad [02:40] 'tis nice, even though it's setting the tinfoilers off [02:40] MS always sets them off [02:40] "hi, erm, I'm Dan, and I'm.. *chokes up*.. a windows user" [02:40] pmsl [02:40] that's 'cause it's only cool to report on them as being evil [02:40] clickbait++ [02:40] Yep [02:41] I wonder if the FX will fit AM3+ sockets or if a new board is required [02:41] well they said its AM4 [02:41] grr [02:41] All the new chips are AM4 [02:41] :-( [02:41] sucky [02:41] i lost track of all the sockets everyone has now [02:42] probably new south bridge too, which is a good thing [02:42] the SB950 is ancient now [02:42] Well it is and it aint tbh, AM3+ can't handle DDR4 and that's where a lot of trouble has come from I think [02:43] yes mate, you're totally a gamer [02:43] he just watches the demo mode [02:43] secretly he's a penguin [02:45] t.. that's a box? [02:45] HP now.. [02:45] it's got a stripe! [02:45] woo \o/ [02:45] Speed Stripe! [02:46] that's hooge [02:46] i kinda wanted that to snap [02:46] I want her to drop it.. [02:46] :P [02:47] SNAP! [02:47] i don't even like shopping on HP's website let alone can i imagine buying one [02:47] oh please that's just intel's login tech [02:48] Freesync laptop.. [02:48] it's a small audience [02:48] and another shrubbery [02:49] looking generic as [02:50] rofl [02:50] "Saving the best for last" Dell digging at HP :p [02:50] :D [02:50] and MS [02:50] Yeah [02:51] Hmm R7 445 [02:52] so no Zen o0 [02:53] ooh they're doing an Apple 'one more thing' [02:53] Hmm doesn't look like it.. [02:53] there it is! [02:53] I knew that was coming with Intel saying they aren't focusing on PCs [02:54] ermagerd [02:54] here it is [02:54] it's... a big splodge [02:54] oooh, it's a circle [02:55] ohhh [02:55] dat AM4 [02:55] 16threads [02:56] Summit ridge [02:56] hmm Q3 [02:57] xmas [02:57] that'd be financial Q3 no? [02:59] hmm so no info for now [02:59] $100>300 :o [03:00] i'm so pleased they're sorting themselves out, we need AMD to stop sucking big time [03:00] only 12k watched that, odd [03:03] Well the only bad bit about that was again with the rebadged/rehashed cores for the processor lineup [03:04] i'm still puzzled over this "51% utilisation" of the 2 x RX 480s when compared to that 1080 [03:06] hi;] [03:06] Ashes of the Singularity supports async compute afaik [03:06] That would explain the difference, Nvidia basically ignore it [03:07] heya mappps [03:07] Switches: to me it almost sounds like they could've taken one card out and run the other full tilt ;D [03:07] ;] [03:07] mappps: my uncle visited Gib and couldn't get his google mails! how weird [03:07] hmm really [03:08] how long was he here for.and that is odd thouh [03:08] i use gmail [03:08] just the weekend, well i've got him set up on gapps [03:08] he reckoned he was on wifi too [03:09] hm oodd [03:10] what did hendo whilst here [03:10] not a clue [03:11] first i heard was him saying he couldn't get his email, then said it was fine once back here o0 [03:11] he wa pretty vague really [03:11] hehe [03:12] it was one of those classic support queries where it's like "can you throw the switch that makes it all work in Gibraltar please?" [03:12] lol [03:13] could just have been shoddy wifi [03:13] mmm, mayhaps [03:14] plenty of places with crap wifi [03:14] sometimes work doesnt load on some places iwifi [03:14] ah well, oddly he doesn't seem fussed to chase it much - probably gave himself a proper holiday for once ;) bit of a workaholic type [03:15] where is he from [03:15] here [03:15] aha [03:16] reetyo, AMD event is over so time for bed! [03:17] night mate [03:18] ta-ra folks \o [03:18] night mate [03:26] late no hm [03:26] now [03:43] still up Switches ? [03:44] Yeah mate, just having a ciggy and reading up on a few second hand parts I'm after for my system [03:45] what system [03:45] bit late isnt it;) [03:45] Well depends on what you call late, I don't normally go to be until about 9am or so :p [03:46] oh [03:46] what time do you get up [03:46] Normally in the afternoon, I get around 6>8 hours sleep a day [03:46] i work nights but try to sleep from 7/8am [03:47] To many years doing graveyard shifts [03:47] i like nights, always been a night person [03:48] Same here, but it's kinda made it hard to get a somewhat normal sleeping pattern :p [03:48] hahah yea7 [03:49] for me..working nights is ess stress, less people, more relaxed [03:49] much prefer it [03:49] even when i didnt work nights id be uptill 2/3am [03:49] Yep, you can get to chill out [03:49] ja all the busy bodies and managers gone home [03:49] noone bugging you [03:49] watching what everyones upto [03:50] :D yep, people watching is fun sometimes [03:50] not when people watch your screens [03:50] at night its like do your job..go home..end of heh [03:50] no busy bodies checking every little thing [03:50] That's always a good thing [03:55] :D [03:55] I aint really the social type anyways, I'd rather try and have a convo with a wall than talk to people :p [03:57] heh7 [03:59] off to sleeep tv on ill fall asleep to it [04:00] :) ok mate, sleep well [04:00] once i get curtains in the longe i might start watching tv there..then can just fal asleep [04:00] but atm only got nets and its sunny here a lot [04:00] :( getting rather light here aswell [06:06] morning all [08:04] Morning all [08:05] g'day [08:12] bonjour [08:13] Ohayōgozaimasu [08:13] Bonjour mon ami's ( not sure on plural :D ) [08:19] mes amis [08:21] Morning all you hippies === brmbrmca1 is now known as brmbrmcar [08:32] I did know that, I do suck at typing french :) [08:56] morning boys and girls. [08:57] yo [08:59] :) [09:03] Morning [09:04] Silly question - can [K]Ubuntu use WiFi across 40Mhz or is it limited to 20Mhz? [09:05] Because I have an Intel wireless NIC that only appears to be using one channel, and that could well explain my dreadful WiFi performance. [09:08] driver thing innit? [09:08] Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But I've never had to deal with such and issue and am pretty lost. [09:09] The NIC should be able to do 300Mbps (i.e. multi-channel) but I'm not sure what to fiddle or where. [09:09] I could, of course, be entirely wrong about everything. I often am. [09:09] you could be wrong about been wrong... :-) [09:14] That has also happened.... [09:14] doesn't really give you much of a chance does it... :-) [09:15] TwistedLucidity: you can check the current link with "iw wlan0 link" [09:16] it shows tx bitrate [09:16] and MCS in use [09:16] use http://mcsindex.com/ to determine what it's doing [09:16] mine shows: [09:16] tx bitrate: 117.0 MBit/s MCS 14 [09:17] I've been using "iperf" and it's report ~35Mpbs on a supposed 300Mbps link. The router itself show 130Mbps 20Mhz, something dropping to 65Mbps [09:17] which, by looking at that table, means 2 spatial streams, 64-QAM 3/4, 117mbit [09:17] TwistedLucidity: 802.11n "300 mbit link" will never give you actual 300 mbit/s [09:17] Thanks MartijnVdS, I shall try that at lunch. [09:18] Yeah, i know 300Mbps is (basically) false advertising, but only getting 35Mbps is fairly ridiculous [09:18] yeah that's a bit low [09:18] tx bitrate: 65.0 MBit/s MCS 7 [09:18] :( [09:18] On 2.4GHz, you're not going to get 40MHz channels though [09:18] oh [09:18] * popey switches to 5g [09:18] because once a second AP is detected, the standard dictates that it should only use 20MHz channels [09:19] This is on 5Mhz and I'm sure I saw a dual channel setting on 2.4 [09:19] * TwistedLucidity goes to check [09:19] tx bitrate: 130.0 MBit/s MCS 15 [09:19] and 2.4 supports dual channel.. it's just that you'll have to disconnect all of your neighbours first ;) [09:20] Oh, there's one fool running on channel 5 and when I find them...... [09:20] 1,6,11 are "recommended" channels, as they don't overlap. 5 kills a lot of channels at once ... [09:21] So, if I understand you, as soon as my router sees any other 2.4Ghz singal, it restricts itself to 20Mhz to be a nice neighbour? Even though I've told it to use 40Mhz? [09:21] * popey hugs 13 [09:21] popey: Doesn't 13 overlap with 11? [09:21] TwistedLucidity: As soon as it detects another AP overlappign the 40MHz bit you're using [09:22] so if you're using 1+6, an AP on 11 somehwere else is fine [09:22] MartijnVdS: Gotcha, that makes total sense. [09:22] 13 and 11 overlap [09:22] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#/media/File:2.4_GHz_Wi-Fi_channels_(802.11b,g_WLAN).svg [09:22] better than having lots on 11 [09:23] Aww crikey...some cretin is on 10 as well [09:23] popey: wifi tends to handle interference on the same channel better than on "half overlapping" ones [09:23] Yup [09:24] hm [09:24] If I can identify my errant neighbours, I wonder how I go about persuading them to switch to a sensible channel.... [09:24] oh, now i check, I'm on 11 anyway [09:24] seems i must have reverted back when i re-flashed openwrt [09:25] OpenWRT FTW! [09:25] ya [09:25] oh, while we are talking about wifi [09:26] TwistedLucidity: I have one of these at home: http://routerboard.com/RB962UiGS-5HacT2HnT -- very shiny :) [09:26] i need to setup another access point in my house, which should be a) cheap and b) easy to lock down to block basically everything bar very innocuous sites [09:26] so using something like opendns for dns on it [09:26] which overrides my own lan dns [09:26] i was thinking a tp-link one running openwrt [09:27] That's possible, but TP-Link had some issues I think? With free firmware being blocked/ [09:27] it's for half a dozen or so phones to connect to, and be separate from my home network [09:27] yeah [09:27] i dont mind other manufacturers [09:27] You can also add a second SSID to the current AP I think [09:27] just want something i know i can control well with openwrt [09:27] i absolutely do not want to use my current routers [09:27] Why not just create a new network on the current router? You can assign different DNS as well [09:27] no, not doing that [09:27] needs to be separate [09:28] You can totally isolate it [09:28] can we look at the requirements? [09:28] I very specifically do not want to do that [09:28] I haven't done OpenWRT stuff for a while.. so I don't know which devices work well these days [09:28] yeah, mine are olde [09:28] WNDR3700v2 [09:29] could pick another one up on fleabay I guess :) [09:29] I don't understand why (guess I don't need to) but yeah, a wee TP-Link jobby should cut it (so long as they permit customer firmware, companies are locking down) [09:30] I've been using Mikrotik hardware (and their own Linux-based software) lately, and it's great to work with [09:30] but that breaks the "openwrt" requirement [09:30] Oddly enough, I was going to suggest that. [09:30] TwistedLucidity: i need to be able to pick it all up and move it, i can't pick up my own router and move it without losing my own internet [09:30] The CLI is nice, GUI tool needs WINE though. [09:30] popey: Bingo, you never said that! [09:30] i didnt have to [09:30] Makes sense now [09:30] TwistedLucidity: the web based GUI works fine cross-platform [09:31] ooh [09:31] wndr3700 is 20 quid on fleabay [09:31] that might be the least worst option [09:31] nice & cheeep [09:31] Oh, last ones I used had no web, just CLI or some Windows thingy-ma-job [09:31] as I know i can make those work [09:31] Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Say Something Nice Day! 😃 ❤ [09:31] wow, tons of them on there [09:32] hel-lo, what's this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7dBi-Antenna-Mod-Kit-for-Netgear-WNDR3700-v-2-N600-WNDR3400-WNDR3300-v-2-/140829834472?hash=item20ca1cbce8:g:BysAAMXQhuVRMU36 [09:32] will that give better range to my current access points? [09:32] or is it snake oil? [09:34] Some routers have removable antennas and using higher spec ones is totally a thing. Whether or not *those ones* are snake oil, I can't say [09:36] This is exactly what I'm using: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Buffalo-AirStation-Nfiniti-300-Mbps-Gigabit-Wireless-N-Router-WZR-HP-G300NH2-/131833391885?hash=item1eb1e1eb0d:g:FWMAAOSw0gdXTaDn [09:36] And no it's not, wrong blasted link [09:37] It's a WZR-HP-AG300H, can't see any for sale at a sensible price on fleabay [09:41] I would like to try desktop virtualization, i.e. a beefy server running VMs and/or containers with desktops for multiple users connecting using thin clients (possibly raspberry pis) I normally use Promox as the KVM/VZ host so would like to continue doing so. for Windows guests the obvious choice is RDP, but for a Linux desktop running in a VM, what would be the best remote viewer solution for this? vnc4server X server? spice into prox [09:41] mox using the virtual display? something else? [09:51] ne2k: x2go seems popular and performant [09:53] Can Linux use the latest version of RDP (which I think is 6)? I seem to recall we were limited to version 5 or something. [09:53] popey, do you run an X server as well as the X2Go server? would it be a headless one? [09:54] i have never run it [09:54] but i hear others talk about it a lot [09:55] Linux Terminal Server Project sounds like it's the sort of thing I want, but it seems rather stagnant as a project [09:55] NoMachine? [09:56] TwistedLucidity, ooh, NoMachine Terminal Server, that looks good [09:56] can the client run on a RPi? [09:57] hmm, they want lots of money for it [09:58] There's a free version [09:59] anyone played with cloudready ? [10:03] freenx [10:05] MooDoo: yes [10:06] didn't find it as lightweight as a light linux OS [10:07] I'm looking at the Cloudready web page. I've read all the text on the page and I still have absolutely no idea what it actually /is/ [10:07] chromebookify your non chromebook laptop [10:10] diplo: apparently it's okay, the French are on strike so nobody noticed [10:10] it seems freenx /is/ nomachine [10:10] i've tried all the remote desktops [10:11] x2go is fast, x11rdp lets you use terminal services client (handy for when remote users aren't people under your control) [10:11] spice desktop is potentially interesting for desktop virtualisation [10:12] vmware horizon is the corporate solution for windows VM desktops [10:18] foobarry, is there a headless x server that supports rdp (like vnc4server for vnc), rather than x11rdp which I presume connects to an existing "headful" x server? [10:19] there's xrdp, but the documentation is SO BAD I can't work out what it is [10:20] x2go will allow a new session or mirror of your existing one [10:21] foobarry, does the client work on arm? [10:21] the main issue i had with x2go is keyboard mappings for mac clients [10:22] ARM architecture: for Debian squeeze and wheezy on ARM-based (Debian/armel) devices we provide client-side packages (x2goclient, pyhoca-gui, pyhoca-cli plus dependencies) [10:22] prbably yes [10:25] JamesTait: got covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHJuSZTjkE [10:27] so I dare say you could run x2goserver in a container on Proxmox [10:35] I'm wondering if it's possible to have a two-monitor-wide virtual desktop running in a VM with two single-monitor thin clients connected to each half of it. RPi has only one output, but is cheap so could have one per monitor [10:40] popey, from what I've seen so far, x2go looks perfect [10:45] x2go also allows detached apps to run [10:45] e.g. just display a terminal window from the remote server on your display [10:46] then run gedit, and it appears too seamlessly [10:47] foobarry, cool. I'm going for desktop virtualization with a thin client so not for my use case, but interesting nonetheless [10:48] I love the fact that x2goclient supports RDP as well as its own protocol, which means you can run it on a thin client and people can connect to linux or windows machines without havni to have two viewers on the thin client [10:56] ne2k: yay [11:47] do you think I'd be best to have a single VM with lots of people connecting to it and running their desktops, or separate containers or VMs for each user? [11:51] if I'm going to set up a single VM to be a host for lots of users to connect to, should I install the desktop iso, or the server one and add stuff to it? [11:56] I'm erring on the side of the desktop one, as it will have more of teh stuff suited to desktops. but I would want to disable the local x server and greeter, as they're not needed [12:11] yes do desktop [13:09] foobarry, trying out the new 16.04 desktop in a VM [13:10] ne2k - how many cores does your host have, how many you assigning to the VM? [13:11] TwistedLucidity, I'm only testing at the moment, so I've assigned four cores in Proxmox. the host has what is seen as twelve, but it's actually six cores, twelve threads, afaik [13:11] Cool, you can assign as many as you like; but always leave one for the host [13:12] TwistedLucidity, there's other VMs on this host atm so I didn't want to go overkill [13:12] As to one desktop vs multi-VMS; all depends on exactly what they'll be doing [13:13] Hrm...how hard is it to do multi-seat on a GNU/Linux desktop? (I've never actually tried, hence my question) [13:13]