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| Gunther_ | Good morning! | 06:33 |
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| Gunther_ | Is an expert concerning u-d-f (vivid) available? We have a problem creating an image in Docker container (oem generic-amd64). The generated image does not boot because it fails to locate the kernel. | 06:36 |
| Gunther_ | Out of the Docker container the image works. The udev workaround is applied (ln -s /bin/true ...) | 06:37 |
| didrocks | Gunther_: hey! I guess ogra_ would be able to help you once he wakes up (few hours from now :)) | 06:38 |
| Gunther_ | thank you. I will wait for him :) | 06:39 |
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| zzarr | tyhicks, -Wall and -Werror? | 07:11 |
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| zyga | o/ | 07:44 |
| Gunther_ | didrocks: problem solved, and I did not need ogra :) | 07:49 |
| Gunther_ | didrocks: the docker container used u-d-f from vivid, whereas the native installation had u-d-f installed from ppa:snappy-dev | 07:51 |
| dholbach | would it make sense to have packages have build-essential as an essential part of their build-packages declaration? | 07:52 |
| dholbach | it'd certainly simplify things if you're using 'snapcraft cleanbuild' and don't have to spell out things like make, g++ and others | 07:53 |
| didrocks | Gunther_: ahah, making sense! | 07:53 |
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| zyga | jdstrand, tyhicks: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-confine/pull/18/files | 08:25 |
| tptr | Hi, any word when ubuntu core 16.04 can be expected? (eagerly waiting for the newer docker version...:-) | 08:33 |
| * nhaines just waits for the pulseaudio interface. | 08:42 | |
| zyga | nhaines: it's coming :) | 08:51 |
| zyga | nhaines: it's merged and an SRU under way | 08:52 |
| nhaines | zyga: \o/ | 08:52 |
| zyga | tptr: 16.04 is out, you can use snappy on that version directly | 08:52 |
| zyga | tptr: as for an all-snap image, those are available as well but aren't finalized so you may need to re-flash a few times as we make big changes | 08:52 |
| zyga | tptr: also the tooling around those is evolving so expect ubuntu-device-flash to go away | 08:53 |
| nhaines | I have a little script that requires sox and then basically makes the same sound as the Enterprise NCC-1701-D's warp engines... perfect for background noise! :D | 08:53 |
| nhaines | And the moment the pulseaudio interface is available, I'll be all set! | 08:56 |
| ogra_ | you should make that a commercial app ... you will get rich in no time | 08:57 |
| nhaines | ogra_: haha, tempting! | 08:57 |
| nhaines | The code *is* available in my book, so a for-pay snap wouldn't be unconsciable. | 08:58 |
| tptr | zyga: thx! I am using snappy on an Intel compute stick. So sg like ubuntu-16.04-snappy-amd64-generic.img.xz would b what I am after... | 09:04 |
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| kyrofa | zyga, images are available? Where are they? | 11:43 |
| lool | ogra_, sergiusens: Ah right, I see vejmarie solved the locale issue in the end :-) | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | yeah, just answered your mail :) | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | in fact the locale manpage tells you how :) | 11:48 |
| erio | Wait | 11:48 |
| * ogra_ waits | 11:49 | |
| erio | I am having a locale issue too, can someone send links | 11:49 |
| erio | ? | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/en/man1/locale.1.html | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | scroll to the bottom | 11:49 |
| lool | oh god, people can override locales with env vars | 11:49 |
| lool | strings often contain %s and what not | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | here is also an old snap http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/nethack/view/head:/nethack.sh (currently not functional, not fully proted to 16, but you should get what it does) | 11:50 |
| erio | Thanks, favoriting all of this | 11:50 |
| erio | https://github.com/ericoporto/fgmkPackaging/blob/master/snap/snapcraft.yaml | 11:51 |
| erio | Made a simple test, but was failing on locale | 11:51 |
| ogra_ | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/nethack/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml | 11:53 |
| ogra_ | you want to ship locale and libc-bin in your snap as well | 11:53 |
| seb128 | locales are workaroundable | 11:54 |
| seb128 | code using bindtextdomain() not so much | 11:54 |
| ysionneau | tyhicks: Hi! Any news on the ptmx issue? | 11:54 |
| erio | Thanks ogra_ ! | 11:56 |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:56 |
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| jdstrand | zyga: cool, thanks :) | 12:33 |
| vejmarie | great my snap has been approved ! | 13:03 |
| vejmarie | ;) | 13:03 |
| ogra_ | yay | 13:04 |
| vejmarie | but how does users find it ? I thought this was through "Ubuntu software" / Store interface in the GUI ? | 13:04 |
| ogra_ | using "snap find" on the commandline ... or in the ubuntu-software tool | 13:05 |
| eriow | Have you tried searching using snap in command line? | 13:06 |
| ogra_ | (not sure how fast the db of the tool is wrt getting the info about the new package though) | 13:06 |
| zyga | jdstrand: hey | 13:06 |
| zyga | jdstrand: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snap-confine/pull/20 | 13:06 |
| zyga | jdstrand: trivial one | 13:06 |
| zyga | jdstrand: I just have a few patches, I will be working on cleanups in the code, making it nicer and less ifdefy | 13:07 |
| vejmarie | yes I see it in snap find ;) | 13:13 |
| vejmarie | but not in the software tool | 13:13 |
| vejmarie | (yet) | 13:13 |
| zyga | jdstrand: we also need to plan for new way to test anything | 13:19 |
| zyga | jdstrand: as we'll switch at some point (not today) to execing snap-exec | 13:19 |
| zyga | jdstrand: so the command line will almost entirely go away | 13:19 |
| zyga | jdstrand: we'll need some test-only environment variable | 13:19 |
| * jdstrand nods | 13:20 | |
| zyga | jdstrand: I guess we can just have a secure_getenv-based test to exec a test playload (command) instead | 13:22 |
| zyga | jdstrand: sorry for making so many changes lately, I hope we can land seccomp filtering now | 13:22 |
| zyga | jdstrand: is the ubuntu kernel okay for that fature now/ | 13:23 |
| jdstrand | zyga: seccomp arg filtering will work on any kernel with newer seccomp | 13:26 |
| sergiusens | dholbach I explicitly removed build-essential from this as it made building things that use nodejs incredibly and unnecessarily slow | 13:31 |
| dholbach | sergiusens, I see | 13:32 |
| vejmarie | quick question guys, how do you update manually the snap database ? | 13:35 |
| zyga | vejmarie: what do you mean exactly? | 13:36 |
| vejmarie | my colleague is looking at free cad within snap but when he kick snap find in a shell | 13:36 |
| vejmarie | he doesn't find it | 13:36 |
| zyga | vejmarie: that's always server side | 13:37 |
| zyga | vejmarie: is that snap published? | 13:37 |
| vejmarie | yes | 13:37 |
| zyga | vejmarie: is it published to series 16 | 13:37 |
| vejmarie | I can see it on my system | 13:37 |
| vejmarie | yes | 13:37 |
| zyga | vejmarie: is he running snapd 2.0.5? (the latest one) | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | ogra@styx:~$ snap find|grep freecad | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | freecad 0.17 - This is the first beta for freecad 0.17 supporting OCCT 7 / Netgen and new Smesh version | 13:37 |
| zyga | vejmarie: can he snap install freecad? | 13:37 |
| vejmarie | the main difference is that I am running 16.04 Desktop | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | i definitely see it on my xenial lappie | 13:38 |
| vejmarie | he is running the server one | 13:38 |
| vejmarie | with X installed on it | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | and i also see it in ubuntu-softare when i search for freecad | 13:38 |
| zyga | vejmarie: that's no different | 13:39 |
| ogra_ | now ... why do i have to sign in to U1 | 13:39 |
| vejmarie | I do not see it in ubuntu software | 13:39 |
| ogra_ | i instaalled snaps yesterday and already did that ... | 13:39 |
| * ogra_ sighs ... not a nice experience | 13:39 | |
| vejmarie | he is running 2.0.3 | 13:40 |
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| vejmarie | we are upgrading | 13:40 |
| zyga | vejmarie: yeah upgrade to 2.0.5 | 13:40 |
| * ogra_ watches it installing now | 13:41 | |
| erio | ogra_: the old Ubuntu Software Center, even non snap related, had this losing logging every time problem. | 13:41 |
| ogra_ | i wouldnt mind it if i had no 2fa enabled ... it is just super annoying to search my phone every time i use sw-center | 13:42 |
| sergiusens | ogra_ not necessary with `sudo` I believe | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, sudo ? | 13:46 |
| sergiusens | ogra_ `sudo snap install freecad` | 13:46 |
| * sergiusens is installing freecad now | 13:46 | |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, i clicked on the organge paper bag in my launcher :P | 13:47 |
| erio | Is there a way to publish a snap to the store, but make it invisible to others? I wanted to test, but using the store as provider. Similar to ppa maybe. | 13:47 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, and ubuntu-software demands a new U1 login ... even though i did that yesterday when trying out another snap | 13:47 |
| sergiusens | erio that should be coming soon iirc. nessita might have the details | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | now it would be really nice if the dash found any snaps that i search for :/ | 13:48 |
| erio | Ok, thanks surgiu sen, that would be great. Ma | 13:48 |
| erio | Or maybe like Steam Early Access, just to put out really beta things, but that people using know upfront that the app is far from "finished | 13:49 |
| erio | " | 13:49 |
| nessita | sergiusens, details about...? :-) | 13:50 |
| vejmarie | good luck sergiusens | 13:51 |
| ogra_ | nessita, to late, you are on the hook | 13:51 |
| vejmarie | do not forget to connect the snap to the interfaces | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | so should the dash find any of the snaps i installed yet ? | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | (definiely doesnt here) | 13:52 |
| vejmarie | by the way we still do not see free cad in ubuntu-software | 13:52 |
| vejmarie | how do you connect to a user account through the tool ? I didn't find this option | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | if i search for "freecad" i see it here | 13:53 |
| kyrofa | nessita, details about private snaps | 13:53 |
| vejmarie | I think I am currently using the store without being connected to it, and perhaps do not have the credential to see my snap ;) | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | works if i start it from a terminal :) | 13:53 |
| kyrofa | erio, for beta things we have the concept of "channels." edge, beta, candidate, and stable | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | the fonts are slightly awful ... but it runs and all :) | 13:54 |
| kyrofa | erio, if something isn't stable, don't put it on the stable channel and the users who want to try out the unstable version can use another channel | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | wheee !!! | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | switching to german actually gets me german ! | 13:55 |
| erio | Nice kyrofa_ thanks. Will look into it. | 13:55 |
| erio | This is the docs kyrofa ? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/channels/ | 13:56 |
| kyrofa | erio, yeah, though that seems kind of specific to ubuntu core | 13:58 |
| vejmarie | ogra_: what are you testing ? | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | vejmarie, freecad :) | 13:59 |
| kyrofa | erio, when you publish your snap, you just check the boxes for the channel(s) you'd like it to be released into | 13:59 |
| vejmarie | ogra_: good to see it switching from languages | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 13:59 |
| vejmarie | ogra_: I have noticed the font issues | 13:59 |
| vejmarie | this is a problem within the python code | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | it actually seems to ship quite a few fonts | 14:00 |
| vejmarie | I am working on fixing it at the present time, but I am not yet an expert | 14:00 |
| davidcalle | erio, kyrofa: yeah, this doc is mostly for core images themselves, although, it gives an overview of our concept of channels | 14:00 |
| vejmarie | yes it ship the font | 14:00 |
| vejmarie | but looks for them in the wrong places | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | ah | 14:00 |
| vejmarie | which explain why it default to ugly ones | 14:00 |
| vejmarie | I need to fix the code upstream | 14:00 |
| kyrofa | davidcalle, indeed | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | vejmarie, well, in any case ... GOOD WORK ! | 14:02 |
| vejmarie | thanks | 14:04 |
| vejmarie | I might be fixing the font during the night and we shall be good | 14:04 |
| vejmarie | then I need to find a way to run highly build and automatize updates | 14:04 |
| vejmarie | and we shall be good for ubuntu support | 14:05 |
| vejmarie | (I normally do MacOS build) | 14:05 |
| vejmarie | I shouldn't say that there, people will stop to speak with me | 14:05 |
| sergiusens | vejmarie freecad launched ;-) | 14:13 |
| vejmarie | good ;) | 14:13 |
| sergiusens | vejmarie it has been a while since I last used it. I'll try it out later in the day | 14:13 |
| sergiusens | vejmarie one sugary thing you can do is name the `FreeCAD` in apps just to be `freecad`, then you can launch it from the cli by just typing in `freecad` instead of `freecad.FreeCAD` | 14:14 |
| sergiusens | up to you though ;-) | 14:15 |
| vejmarie | no problem. Be careful this is a developper version (latest git), so there might be bugs | 14:15 |
| vejmarie | yep I will upgrade that, this is my first snap still need some cleanup | 14:15 |
| sergiusens | vejmarie ah, for developer versions and to make your users not run into unexpected expectations, you should use the approriate channels when publishing ;-) | 14:15 |
| vejmarie | yes do not worry this is my intend, I moved the channel temporarly | 14:16 |
| vejmarie | as to see if I can see it in the store (which is still not the case !) | 14:16 |
| vejmarie | I will update it tonight when I will have understood why my store can't see it | 14:16 |
| vejmarie | I would like to run nightly build and distribute it through snap which seems to be the best way to test a few crazy features into free cad which has some very heavy dependancy (OCCT is a massive stuff) | 14:17 |
| vejmarie | by the way sergiusens, I think the developer version is quite stable | 14:21 |
| vejmarie | if needed I can build a stable version | 14:31 |
| kyrofa | vejmarie, no need if you think it's stable enough-- the beauty here is that it's all your call! | 14:35 |
| kyrofa | vejmarie, the only limitation as I understand it is that you can't release a snap that _requires_ devmode into stable channels | 14:36 |
| ogra_ | now you just need to convince apple to support snaps too ... and only have to roll one package ;) | 14:37 |
| vejmarie | kyrofa: it doesn't needs devmode ;) | 14:38 |
| kyrofa | vejmarie, then you're all good | 14:38 |
| vejmarie | ogra_: might be a challenge | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | yeah, thats the most awesome bit :) | 14:38 |
| ogra_ | vejmarie, just a "small" one :) | 14:39 |
| vejmarie | :) | 14:39 |
| roadmr | heya folks, I have a theoretical question :) how would I snap something like e.g. vim, which I'd like to be able to access pretty much any file in the system? not only in $HOME but say in /etc... | 14:42 |
| ogra_ | you would tell users to use --dvemode | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | *devmode | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | or wait til some content charing mechanism is in place that you can hook into | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | *sharing | 14:46 |
| roadmr | is that planned? | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | well, unity8 has it ... | 14:46 |
| roadmr | because devmode has other implications as well, right? | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | it makes the snap run unconfined | 14:46 |
| ogra_ | but thats peobably what you want for an editor anyway | 14:47 |
| kyrofa | ogra_, I'm not sure the content sharing thing is what you want there, since I believe that's for inter-snap relationships | 14:49 |
| kyrofa | roadmr, if vi isn't unconfined you need to limit where it can write-- can't have it both ways | 14:51 |
| kyrofa | roadmr, sorry, my double negative made that hard to read | 14:51 |
| elopio | ~ | 14:53 |
| sborovkov | hello, Is there some env variable for snap's common directory? | 14:53 |
| zyga | sborovkov: AFAIR not yet but I may have rusty memory | 14:54 |
| zyga | sborovkov: but there's a way to reach it using ../something/something reliably | 14:54 |
| * zyga looks | 14:54 | |
| kyrofa | sborovkov, not yet | 14:55 |
| kyrofa | sborovkov, you can get to it via SNAP_DATA/../common | 14:55 |
| sborovkov | understood. thanks. | 14:55 |
| kyrofa | sborovkov, the user-specific one is SNAP_USER_DATA/../common, but the launcher doesn't have the smarts to create it just yet | 14:56 |
| kyrofa | (so it's not actually usable, sorry about that) | 14:56 |
| kyrofa | But the system wide one (next to SNAP_DATA) works fine | 14:56 |
| zyga | kyrofa: thanks | 14:57 |
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| kyrofa | zyga, no problem. sborovkov they'll be named soon! | 14:58 |
| kyrofa | niemeyer, ^^ | 14:58 |
| kyrofa | elopio, test test | 15:06 |
| elopio | works. | 15:07 |
| plars | xcb | 15:10 |
| plars | err | 15:10 |
| plars | kyrofa: hi, I found https://github.com/kyrofa/qt-example-snaps/blob/master/systray/parts/plugins/x-qmake.py which was really helpful | 15:10 |
| plars | kyrofa: I was wondering if there are plans to include it in snapcraft? | 15:10 |
| plars | kyrofa: also, I am hitting an error with qt things that I try to snap, wondering if you've seen it: | 15:11 |
| plars | This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb" | 15:11 |
| kyrofa | plars, I wasn't planning on it, I was just collecting some qt examples there, but I suppose it could be | 15:16 |
| sergiusens | plars use `after` qt5conf` and in command do `command: qt5launch <cmd>` | 15:16 |
| kyrofa | plars, you need the stage-package I have there | 15:17 |
| kyrofa | And yes, the qt5conf bit | 15:17 |
| sergiusens | kyrofa we should add the plugin, tag it experimental if you think it is not prime time ready yet | 15:17 |
| kyrofa | sergiusens, I'm good with that. I wonder if kgunn might give us a review to make sure it's decent | 15:18 |
| sergiusens | kyrofa maybe jamiebennett wants to contribute a plugin :-P | 15:18 |
| kyrofa | plars, sergiusens oh oops, I didn't actually read the whole link, I thought plars was talking about the example, not the plugin. Yeah that should definitely be included | 15:18 |
| plars | yes, the plugin itself would be really useful | 15:19 |
| kyrofa | plars, agreed, we'll get that in there | 15:19 |
| plars | sergiusens: kyrofa: I'll give the qt5conf bit a try, thanks! | 15:19 |
| kyrofa | plars, we even have a bug for it. | 15:19 |
| plars | err, qt5launch | 15:19 |
| kyrofa | plars, yeah, refer to https://github.com/kyrofa/qt-example-snaps/blob/master/systray/snapcraft.yaml for details | 15:20 |
| * jamiebennett hides | 15:20 | |
| kyrofa | jamiebennett, know anything about qmake? | 15:20 |
| jamiebennett | I know how to spell it ;) | 15:21 |
| sergiusens | jamiebennett that's a starter :-P | 15:21 |
| jamiebennett | But thats about it | 15:21 |
| sergiusens | elopio have you tried manually uploading with https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/532 ? | 15:22 |
| elopio | sergiusens: yes. | 15:22 |
| sergiusens | elopio than yay! | 15:22 |
| plars | sergiusens: kyrofa: that seems to have worked great, thanks! | 15:23 |
| kyrofa | jamiebennett, haha, no pressure, but if you feel like poking at snapcraft it should be a fairly easy one. Happy to take it though | 15:23 |
| kyrofa | plars, excellent! And thanks for the qmake poke | 15:24 |
| elopio | sergiusens: want me to update and rerun the tests? | 15:25 |
| kyrofa | kgunn, any chance you'd be willing to review a qmake plugin? | 15:29 |
| kgunn | kyrofa: sure | 15:29 |
| kgunn | i may not be the best...but i can always get some support there | 15:29 |
| kyrofa | kgunn, thanks-- I'm sure you'll be better than me! I'm mostly unclear about qt4 versus qt5 | 15:30 |
| elopio | sergiusens: kyrofa: jamiebennett: fgimenez: yesterday I got a green execution of snapcraft all-snaps in bos01. | 15:31 |
| jamiebennett | \o/ | 15:31 |
| elopio | I can work on getting the all-snaps images updated everyday there. | 15:31 |
| jamiebennett | elopio: Great work | 15:32 |
| kyrofa | Awesom elopio! | 15:32 |
| elopio | zyga: can you give me a short summary of the ubuntu-image status? Can I use it to generate images with core/edge ? | 15:32 |
| kyrofa | With an e | 15:32 |
| fgimenez | elopio, great! | 15:33 |
| elopio | fgimenez: to take into account when uploading the images, we need to pass the arch property, and also the hypervisor. | 15:34 |
| kgunn | kyrofa: was there a pull request, i checked your github activity didn't see it... | 15:35 |
| kyrofa | kgunn, oh no, sorry-- I'll ping you once I have something | 15:35 |
| kgunn | oh...nw | 15:35 |
| * kgunn goes back to being buried ;-P | 15:35 | |
| * kyrofa shovels more dirt on kgunn | 15:37 | |
| zyga | elopio: no, I'm busy with other tasks and I don't think that anyone else is touching it | 15:49 |
| elopio | zyga: ok, np, we will keep using the hacked one. | 15:50 |
| zyga | elopio: I think it is on my plate right after my current task | 15:51 |
| ysionneau | hmm for the extlinux.conf, am I supposed to put it inside the gadget snap ? or the kernel snap ? | 15:53 |
| zyga | ysionneau: what is extlinux.conf? | 15:55 |
| ysionneau | some kind of menu config for u-boot | 15:57 |
| ysionneau | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems/view/head:/pi2/boot-assets/uboot.env.in < the uboot script searches for it | 15:57 |
| zyga | ysionneau: that will be the gadget snap but only after the new ubuntu-image is in place | 15:57 |
| zyga | ysionneau: contributions are very much welcome | 15:57 |
| zyga | ysionneau: look at github.com/CanonicalLtd/ubuntu-image for details (there's a spec for gadget's image.yaml) | 15:58 |
| zyga | ysionneau: that desribes how to put the image togeter | 15:58 |
| ysionneau | ah, thanks! | 15:58 |
| ysionneau | this ubuntu-image is the replacement for UDF ? | 15:59 |
| sethj | looking through the latest snapd changelog it mentions a debian import/patch that fixes the XDG path issue. Does that mean this bug was fixed? | 15:59 |
| sethj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapcraft/+bug/1576303 | 15:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1576303 in snapcraft (Ubuntu) "Needs fontconfig integration" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:59 |
| zyga | ysionneau: yes | 16:00 |
| zyga | ysionneau: I can tell you anything you want to know about it | 16:00 |
| zyga | ysionneau: but I'm not currently working on it (preempted by other tasks) | 16:00 |
| ysionneau | fair enough! | 16:00 |
| zyga | ysionneau: I was going to implement and test the x86 side (there's no real difference but I was going to make new gadget snaps firsts) | 16:00 |
| zyga | ysionneau: but I would love someone to look after uboot side (again, no real difference for u-i) | 16:01 |
| ysionneau | well, if I can help somehow don't hesitate to ask | 16:01 |
| zyga | ysionneau: sure | 16:03 |
| zyga | ysionneau: you can help a lot by doing one simple thing | 16:03 |
| zyga | ysionneau: read the image.yaml spec there | 16:04 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and tell me how you'd describe an image using uboot | 16:04 |
| zyga | ysionneau: make a demo .yaml, stick it in a branch | 16:04 |
| zyga | ysionneau: at the same time, look at ... | 16:04 |
| * zyga looks | 16:04 | |
| zyga | ysionneau: look at this http://paste.ubuntu.com/16922791/ | 16:05 |
| zyga | ysionneau: this is a shell "prototype" | 16:05 |
| zyga | ysionneau: see if you can make a prototype like that, in shell, that assembles the image | 16:06 |
| zyga | ysionneau: use local snaps for everything (u-i downloads them but let's not worry about that) | 16:06 |
| ysionneau | hmmmm | 16:06 |
| zyga | ysionneau: if you can make that prototype and the corresponding image.yaml that will help me a lot | 16:06 |
| zyga | ysionneau: we have some code that takes the .yaml file and handles it so that we can create such shell scripts | 16:07 |
| ysionneau | I've made a shell script to generate "image" for my board from rpi2 snaps :o | 16:07 |
| ysionneau | is that of any interest? | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: yes! | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: note that u-i has one major design change from udf | 16:07 |
| ysionneau | https://github.com/fallen/snappy-tools/blob/master/paros_image/genimage.sh | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: it doesn't run any code that's system specific or that's shipped by the gadget | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: all the code is either generic (making partitions, filesystems, pupulating filesystem) | 16:07 |
| kyrofa | sergiusens, do you know anything about bug #1587193? | 16:07 |
| ubottu | bug 1587193 in snapcraft (Ubuntu) "build of python3 snap fails with 'error: option --single-version-externally-managed not recognized'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1587193 | 16:07 |
| elopio | sergiusens: didrocks: If you get an error on jenkins saying something bos01, it was my fault. I'm reverting that. Sorry. | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: or the gadget has to ship a blob that we just stick at a given offset | 16:07 |
| zyga | ysionneau: so images should be 100% reproducible | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: the blobs can be built by the gadget snap | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: but similarly to how snaps are built, that's done while the gadget snap is being built | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: not when the image is assembled | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: the image is more of a linker | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and takes pre-built things | 16:08 |
| zyga | ysionneau: does that make sense? | 16:08 |
| ysionneau | IIUC, the image.yaml is describing the flash layout and partitioning scheme and which file to flash where? | 16:09 |
| zyga | ysionneau: so your script would need to be split into something that you can snapcraft (or make) into a gadget.samp (containing image.yaml, files to put into filesystems, blobs to put into a fixed offset) | 16:09 |
| zyga | ysionneau: it describes how to create a big blob out of other "parts" | 16:09 |
| zyga | ysionneau: some of those parts are filesystems that it can populate | 16:10 |
| ysionneau | ah ok a big flashable blob | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: either with files from the gadget or with magic stuff to make the core snap work | 16:10 |
| ysionneau | right | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and some other parts are just fixed blobs to stick somewhere (not a filesystem, not a partition) | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: e.g. boot code in the MBR | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: or stage-2 grub in the bios bootloader partition | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: or modem binary on dragon. etc | 16:10 |
| zyga | ysionneau: if you start to arrange your script into two scripts | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: one that builds the blobs or gets them from somewhere | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: does any computing needed | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and spits out a gadget.snap | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and another that is more akin to what I pasted as the prototype in shell | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: then we can align nicely | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: if you see any issues in this desing please tell me early | 16:11 |
| zyga | ysionneau: but I think the idea is flexible enough to build virtually any image (on any host OS) | 16:12 |
| ysionneau | one thing I think is important to say, here the input format for our flashing tool is a .tar, and not a .img | 16:12 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and without having to change ubuntu-image in any way (hence declartive image.yaml and prebuilt stuff in the gadget) | 16:12 |
| zyga | ysionneau: what is the tar content? | 16:12 |
| ysionneau | to flash, we basically send (via DFU or other) a bootloader, a kernel, and an installer (an ELF) | 16:12 |
| ysionneau | then we speak through USB to the installer | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: I see | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: that's okay | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: for 0.1 I'd like to just make an image reliably | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: for 1.0 we can export parts into various other formats | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: you can always take the image and export those with post-processing tools | 16:13 |
| zyga | ysionneau: all that is important is that the image can be built reliably and (perhaps) with 100% reproducibility | 16:13 |
| zyga | (apart from things like partition IDs but perhaps snapd will manage those on first boot, time will tell) | 16:14 |
| zyga | ysionneau: please stay in touch, I want to ensure you are supported | 16:14 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and please do consider hacking on ubuntu-image, I will gladly review patches and take new features | 16:14 |
| ysionneau | 18:12 < zyga> ysionneau: what is the tar content? < basically the entire file system(S) | 16:16 |
| ysionneau | it's nice that it is in Python and not go anyway | 16:17 |
| zyga | :-) | 16:17 |
| ysionneau | cause I can hack on Python and not at all on go =) | 16:17 |
| zyga | ysionneau: and I think it should be fairly small and well-defined | 16:17 |
| zyga | not open-ended like u-d-f with ever-growing list of "supported boards" | 16:17 |
| didrocks | elopio: thanks for the head's up! | 16:17 |
| ysionneau | to be more precise about our flashing process : we send a big .tar through USB and the installer 1°) formats the eMMC with the partition scheme 2°) mounts partitions 3°) extracts the tar | 16:18 |
| ysionneau | the fact that we mount the partitions before untaring allows to put contents for several partitions in the same .tar file | 16:18 |
| zyga | ysionneau: note that ubuntu-image is precisely not ubuntu-flash | 16:18 |
| zyga | flashing is a separate tool that I'm not making today | 16:18 |
| ysionneau | (eg system-boot and writable) | 16:18 |
| ysionneau | yes but the image generation tool should be able to produce a file that can be processed by the flashing tool, right? | 16:19 |
| ysionneau | anyway, about the image generation process, Nvidia tools are doing a bit what your image.yaml is doing, except they use .xml | 16:19 |
| ysionneau | you either specify an .img for each partition, or a blob and that's it | 16:20 |
| zyga | ysionneau: that's a little open-ended, I think we will just make an image (intially), later on we might natively produce separate bits (just filesystem contents and the like) | 16:20 |
| zyga | the flashing tool is complex because there are lots of different things to do there | 16:21 |
| zyga | ysionneau: as long as we can take the big image and build a target-specific tool that flashes it (doing anything it needs internally), I think we are good | 16:21 |
| zyga | ysionneau: can you point me to those tools? I'd like to know this better | 16:21 |
| tyhicks | zzarr: I accidentally highlighted your name with the message about -Wall and -Werror but meant to highlight someone else - sorry about that! | 16:35 |
| tyhicks | ysionneau: sorry but I haven't been able to debug it any more | 16:35 |
| ysionneau | zyga: Parrot tools unfortunately are not open source :/ | 16:37 |
| ysionneau | and Nvidia ones, I don't know | 16:37 |
| * elopio <- afk. | 16:37 | |
| ysionneau | zyga: I've got to go, maybe I can drop you an email with more precise info about our image generation / flashing process? | 16:38 |
| zyga | ysionneau: thanks | 16:39 |
| zyga | ysionneau: please do | 16:39 |
| zyga | ysionneau: do you have my address? | 16:39 |
| ysionneau | zyga: yes :) | 16:40 |
| ysionneau | see you soon! | 16:41 |
| zzarr | tyhicks, no problem, shows you are human :-) | 16:52 |
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| kgunn | zyga: you about? finally got round to trying vm --visual, with mir i/f builtin to snapd | 20:10 |
| kgunn | curious, if i install mir-server snap...i see mir:mir-server under the plug column | 20:10 |
| kgunn | i would;ve thot mir slot would've shown up w.o mir-server snap being installed? | 20:11 |
| kgunn | e.g. it only appears in the interface list after mir-server snap installation | 20:12 |
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| jdstrand | sergiusens: hey, looking at bug #1583259 I'm trying to understand what ends up in snap.yaml. snapcraft.yaml is clear-- will snap.yaml be the same or different? | 21:16 |
| ubottu | bug 1583259 in Snapcraft "Snappy needs to influence environment variables in applications " [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583259 | 21:16 |
| sergiusens | jdstrand it will be a direct copy, a global `environment` (same level as `name`) and one special to each app in `apps` | 21:17 |
| sergiusens | jdstrand the consumer for this is snap-run | 21:17 |
| jdstrand | sergiusens: ack, thanks | 21:20 |
| zyga | kgunn: hmm | 21:27 |
| zyga | kgunn: can you please re-state that? | 21:27 |
| zyga | kgunn: which snaps did you install | 21:27 |
| zyga | kgunn: in what order | 21:27 |
| kgunn | zyga: sure...more a matter of curiosity as i see mir trying to launch...but here's what i did | 21:27 |
| kgunn | used your run-devel-vm --visual, then rebuilt snap/snapd, setup, run-snapd, then on the vm ./devtools.snap installed mir-server snap | 21:28 |
| kgunn | rebuilding snap/snapd b/c i added the mir interface to builtins | 21:29 |
| kgunn | literally "mir" being the interface name | 21:29 |
| zyga | okay | 21:29 |
| zyga | ah | 21:29 |
| zyga | hmmm | 21:30 |
| zyga | can you please point me to the mir interface? | 21:30 |
| zyga | it depends on how you made the interface | 21:30 |
| zyga | you can think of mir-server having a mir socket | 21:30 |
| zyga | s/socket/slot/ | 21:30 |
| kgunn | zyga: i actually figured you were gonna say that :) | 21:30 |
| zyga | then the slot grants you permissions | 21:30 |
| zyga | and it's not on the core snap | 21:30 |
| zyga | (I think that is what we wanted) | 21:30 |
| zyga | you can also stick it on the core snap but I think that's less desired | 21:30 |
| zyga | because what we are still after is the mir plug for some demo client to run and talk to mir snap | 21:31 |
| zyga | in any case, I'm very happy that it's progressing and that the tooling around snapd works fine | 21:31 |
| zyga | if you have any questions please do ask | 21:31 |
| kgunn | so i implemented them as "permanent slot" | 21:32 |
| kgunn | and at this point, i'm not even to mir-client...this is just to get mir-server running on the core | 21:33 |
| kgunn | and i should be able to make some progress, like i say..i see mir-server trying to launch | 21:34 |
| zyga | kgunn: so the permissions to 'be mir' are on the permanent side of the mir slot? | 21:38 |
| zyga | kgunn: that sounds good | 21:38 |
| * zyga watches tests fly past his screen | 22:36 | |
| kallisti5 | any plans for 16.04 based snappy core? | 23:59 |
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